Najam Sethi Is a minion Of The West!

[Hammad]

How many suicide attacks took place in Pakistan and Iraq before 9/11?

As people in the US and West go about their business and enjoy life in peace and prosperity, one country they invaded, Iraq, had become a veritable graveyard with bombings occurring on a daily basis and sectarian strife rampant, and another, Pakistan, which again accepted the mantle of the frontline state for US led war, has accepted suicide bombings and drone killings as a norm. Though Iraq was a personal tyranny before the invasion and Pakistan had its share of sectarian killings, the scale and quality of mayhem has increased many times in last decade of US wars. It speaks to the absolute decadence, moral and intellectual slavery of Pakistani discourse, that it has internalized and rationalized the narrative that justified its delivering the yeoman services to US and West for pittance, so that they could enjoy their "way of life", while lesser beings in Pakistan would do all the dirty lifting to keep the "barbarians at bay"!

I sometimes feel that people like Najam Sethi and those who think like him are "churas" of the west, assigned to clean its **** after it has defiled a land. Their thinking is exactly like those unfortunate "churas" at the lowest social ladder in Pakistan who had accepted and internalized their status, and whose greatest pleasure is when the "Sahib" buy a new car. Pick any case from Raymond Davis to NATO supplies to drone attacks, they dutifully abide by the interests of the "Sahib", and present all kind of sophistries to justify it. It is because of these "churas" that West has been able to control and enslave the people of countries like Pakistan.

[LethalSami]

question is who let these churas have their own tv show so they utter total filth on National tv.

just look at how much money Geo and other channels get from US AIDs

just follow the money and see who is sold out

[saadibaba]

"Chura" is a derogatory term used for Christians living in Pakistan doing menial jobs. By using this word to describe people who you don't agree in terms of our foreign policy and relations with the west, you have exposed yourself as someone who ridicule and discriminate against minorities like Christians. Whether Sethi or others like him have slave mentality or not, you clearly show a very jingoistic and pedestrian way of thinking, which no doubt has been nurtured and groomed by your limited knowledge of history ( not entirely your fault as this propaganda is peddled in our school and college text books since the time of Zia) plus your limited capacity of comprehension of complex matters ( also not your fault if you rely on our talk show's to get most of your information). How easy it is to blame a media personality who unlike religious extremists are only able to reply to you through their pen or voice. These same people that you are right now branding as "Chura" we're against the Afghan war and Pakistan's military old friendship and dependency on the west. At that time they were being branded "soviet agents". Now since our deep state has found the west to be a convenient punching bag and responsible for all our ills( while simultaneously getting funding from them) its become fashionable to curse a small little group of journalists and intellectuals as being responsible for the state we are in. All I can say is good luck to you, your hate is not going to stop these voices from speaking rational and pragmatic views which might not be kosher for you but for a lot of us it's the only reason to have some kind of hope for our country.

[PetroDollars]

Dont forget Hamid Mir, him and Najam Sethi are sold out slaves to the CIA.

[farhan]

By using the term " chura " , just shows the illiteracy of our nation.

[Hammad]

I think you have no idea of the term "irony", otherwise you would not have hastily use the allegation of bigotry. But, with your superficial and shallow mind, whose whole understanding of history and the world is framed through a popular western medial outlets, it is not surprising that you start calling names at slightest hints. Najam Sethi is not only a single individual, he represents a mindset, a mindset which is mainly responsible for Pakistani woes. That mindset, that sees modernity as the outward following of western norms, is the mirror image of equally vile jehadi mindset that sees defiance in outward forms only. I am not here to educate you as to what modernity really means, and how Najam Sethi is the very anti-thesis of modernity he apparently espouses. Read my blog about my views: http://hammadsaid.blogspot.com/ especially section on What Pakistan Needs?

[saadibaba]

You used a derogatory and bigoted term in the title of your thread and when someone pointed it out you got all sensitive about it Chill out, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

As for your blog that you are peddling here, I get to hear and read enough of this garbage already, no need wasting my time reading delusional thoughts of another confused mind.

[Sjaloha]

Originally Posted by Hammad How many suicide attacks took place in Pakistan and Iraq before 9/11? As people in the US and West go about their business and enjoy life in peace and prosperity, one country they invaded, Iraq, had become a veritable graveyard with bombings occurring on a daily basis and sectarian strife rampant, and another, Pakistan, which again accepted the mantle of the frontline state for US led war, has accepted suicide bombings and drone killings as a norm. Though Iraq was a personal tyranny before the invasion and Pakistan had its share of sectarian killings, the scale and quality of mayhem has increased many times in last decade of US wars. It speaks to the absolute decadence, moral and intellectual slavery of Pakistani discourse, that it has internalized and rationalized the narrative that justified its delivering the yeoman services to US and West for pittance, so that they could enjoy their "way of life", while lesser beings in Pakistan would do all the dirty lifting to keep the "barbarians at bay"! I sometimes feel that people like Najam Sethi and those who think like him are "churas" of the west, assigned to clean its **** after it has defiled a land. Their thinking is exactly like those unfortunate "churas" at the lowest social ladder in Pakistan who had accepted and internalized their status, and whose greatest pleasure is when the "Sahib" buy a new car. Pick any case from Raymond Davis to NATO supplies to drone attacks, they dutifully abide by the interests of the "Sahib", and present all kind of sophistries to justify it. It is because of these "churas" that West has been able to control and enslave the people of countries like Pakistan.

When it comes to "nonsense" I thought I have heard it all, until you post this gem. May I ask who are you to decide who is "chura" and who isn't?? Perhaps for some even you would perfectly qualify as a "chura" and you have no choice but to accept. But I am sure you would never do that. You are posting your self inflicted ideas and emotions in the pretext of nationalism and patriotism.

[AutoCrat]

Originally Posted by saadibaba "Chura" is a derogatory term used for Christians living in Pakistan doing menial jobs. By using this word to describe people who you don't agree in terms of our foreign policy and relations with the west, you have exposed yourself as someone who ridicule and discriminate against minorities like Christians. Whether Sethi or others like him have slave mentality or not, you clearly show a very jingoistic and pedestrian way of thinking, which no doubt has been nurtured and groomed by your limited knowledge of history ( not entirely your fault as this propaganda is peddled in our school and college text books since the time of Zia) plus your limited capacity of comprehension of complex matters ( also not your fault if you rely on our talk show's to get most of your information). How easy it is to blame a media personality who unlike religious extremists are only able to reply to you through their pen or voice. These same people that you are right now branding as "Chura" we're against the Afghan war and Pakistan's military old friendship and dependency on the west. At that time they were being branded "soviet agents". Now since our deep state has found the west to be a convenient punching bag and responsible for all our ills( while simultaneously getting funding from them) its become fashionable to curse a small little group of journalists and intellectuals as being responsible for the state we are in. All I can say is good luck to you, your hate is not going to stop these voices from speaking rational and pragmatic views which might not be kosher for you but for a lot of us it's the only reason to have some kind of hope for our country.

What a post.... Top class....

Difference of opinion is not an aberration but a critical element of any democratic society because it is the root cause of change without which no civilization can survive. People who equate liberals and intellectuals with extremists forget a fundamental difference that while the extremists oppose and suppress any criticism or difference in opinion other than their's, liberal intellectuals thrive in a contest of ideas. You don't get the Najam Sethis and Nadeem Parachas of the world issuing death threats to some other columnist/journalist with a different point of view. Whether WOT is the right thing or not is not the issue here. There are many other journalists/intellectuals who oppose US endeavors in Afghanistan and Iraq who are far more effective in putting across their point than terrorists and extremists. Putting the liberals and jihadists on the same podium is just wrong.

[Hammad]

It is no wonder that people who are oblivious to where there true interests lay and only see the world through borrowed glasses are in such a sorry state collectively. Mr Saadibaba totally exemplifies that attitude when he calls something a "garbage", without even reading it. Such a paragon of intellectual virtue: judging something without even reading it. He does not have the education to comprehend how the irony is used, and he is pronouncing judgments about other people's understanding of history and prejudices. Just a shallow, pathetic loser, typifies what passes for an educated, liberal mind in Pakistan

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Originally Posted by saadibaba "Chura" is a derogatory term used for Christians living in Pakistan doing menial jobs. By using this word to describe people who you don't agree in terms of our foreign policy and relations with the west, you have exposed yourself as someone who ridicule and discriminate against minorities like Christians. Whether Sethi or others like him have slave mentality or not, you clearly show a very jingoistic and pedestrian way of thinking, which no doubt has been nurtured and groomed by your limited knowledge of history ( not entirely your fault as this propaganda is peddled in our school and college text books since the time of Zia) plus your limited capacity of comprehension of complex matters ( also not your fault if you rely on our talk show's to get most of your information). How easy it is to blame a media personality who unlike religious extremists are only able to reply to you through their pen or voice. These same people that you are right now branding as "Chura" we're against the Afghan war and Pakistan's military old friendship and dependency on the west. At that time they were being branded "soviet agents". Now since our deep state has found the west to be a convenient punching bag and responsible for all our ills( while simultaneously getting funding from them) its become fashionable to curse a small little group of journalists and intellectuals as being responsible for the state we are in. All I can say is good luck to you, your hate is not going to stop these voices from speaking rational and pragmatic views which might not be kosher for you but for a lot of us it's the only reason to have some kind of hope for our country.

I am pretty sure that he meant "CHIRA" of west .As in when Sethi calls his source "chirya" .I think calling him "chira" was meant as a joke to draw attention.

[Hammad]

For your education Mr. Saadibaba when someone uses, for example, a term like untermenchen or ****** as a rhetorical device to underscore that how the people who are supposedly anti-semetic or anti-racists are serving those very rabid prejudices whether wittingly or unwittingly, it is not bigotry but its very opposite and a subtle use of irony. But subtlety is something that your crude mind could not understand that is trained to the tunes of "either you are with us or against us". I suggest you read De-Tocqueville classic democracy in American to understand what liberalism, secularism, modernity means, rather than parroting Najam Sethi and Fox Channel.

[Hammad]

No objective intellectual debate is possible with people whose "interests lay in not understanding" the truth. They are not intellectuals but agents of power. Chomsky contemptuously called them mandarins of power and some others used the terms whore to power. In no other self respecting nation Najam Sethi would have gotten the prime time seat and such audience, but where we have people lis Mr. Saadibaba, his popularity is not surprising. I am not in favor of gagging him to prevent him spewing his garbage, but only highlighting that the fact that he could have such forum and audience is the reflection on the kind of people we are. Anyone who has followed him from day one on Raymond Davis case and has even the intelligence of a monkey can see through whom he is working and writing for. But not our so called liberal, enlightened Pakistanis.

[Hammad]

No objective intellectual debate is possible with people whose "interests lay in not understanding" the truth. They are not intellectuals but agents of power. Chomsky contemptuously called them mandarins of power and some others used the terms whore to power. In no other self respecting nation Najam Sethi would have gotten the prime time seat and such audience, but where we have people like Mr. Saadibaba, his popularity is not surprising. I am not in favor of gagging him to prevent him spewing his garbage, but only highlighting that the fact that he could have such forum and audience is the reflection on the kind of people we are. Anyone who has followed him from day one on Raymond Davis case and has even the intelligence of a monkey can see through whom he is working and writing for. But not our so called liberal, enlightened Pakistanis.

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Phaadaa !! phadda !! Phaddaa !!!

[saadibaba]

"Mr.Hammad" I clicked on your blog. Now I understand your anger and frustration. All those years you have been writing your precious thoughts and musings on your blog and you have had.....ahem ahem ZERO comments on them. Nice strategy to gain some audience for your blog by making this inflammatory thread on PP. Have a nice day

[saadibaba]

Forgot to mention that after all these years of keeping the blog you managed to have a grand total of 6 followers.

[Hammad]

Sadibaba: Again a pathetic mindset, trying to judge everyone by your own philistine standards. I never maintain a serious blog, don't advertise it, and rarely tell anyone about it. It is nothing more than a placeholder to just maintain some random musings..Knowing by the taste of Pakistani readership, having very small readership is a compliment by the way.

[saadibaba]

^ Yet you posted a link to your blog, commanded me to read it and when I didn't, pounced on me for not doing so. Make up your mind dude

[Hammad]

I did not command you to read it, dude. I only asked you not prejudge something without reading it. I only posted it here, because I did not want to spend time replying to your inneundos about bigotry and explain the context where i am coming from. I should have known better, no cure for incorrigible ignorance

[Bewal Express]

If a person kills people through suicide bombings is he not responsible for his actions?

[smoothcriminal]

Originally Posted by from_da_lost_dim3nsion Phaadaa !! phadda !! Phaddaa !!!

LOL! Someone needs to make a sharp 10 second video-edit so I can always use it on internet fights.


Difference of opinion and tolerance to listen to those opinions is what drives society forward. Believe it or not, you can watch someone like Najam Sethi, Mubashir Luqman and Zaid Hamid and form a collective opinion of your own without having to resort to demeaning comments about their character or who "funds" them.

[Bewal Express]

The basic problem in Pakistan is that difference of opinion is not seen as healthy but as a conspiracy. This guy that was abusing people on this forum is just the manifestation of this mindset.
Pakistan problems(and the muslims worlds) are to do with corrupt govts and an ill educated populace. Blaming the western world is red herring and will not solve anything.

[Runner Up]

His predictions are correct most of the time. It seems that he has links everywhere like Army, Establishment and Bureaucracy and Judiciary.

[jeetu]

Any Pakistani who dare to criticize Army is always dubbed as minion Of The West.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Runner Up His predictions are correct most of the time. It seems that he has links everywhere like Army, Establishment and Bureaucracy and Judiciary.

In order to predict about Pakistani politics, you need common sene not links in the army.

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by jeetu Any Pakistani who dare to criticize Army is always dubbed as minion Of The West.

and anyone who defends the country is labeled ISI agent

[Hammad]

For the people who want concrete evidence, read this:

https://pakistanmediagate.wordpress....sethi-exposed/