The WWE Thread - Page 29 - PakPassion

freelance_cricketer

The CM Punk promo is so over rated that i hate it even though it's not bad.

James

I miss JR...

freelance_cricketer

Triple H- Jim Ross was more exciting than JR-Stone Cold.

JR had such a love-hate relation with Triple H. He'd hate him as a person and love his guts. One of my classic JR moments are when HHH won Royal Rumble and in his matches with HBK.

The Game !

The Game !

The Game !

JR would just go on and on about The Game.

King_Rizzy

James, I think the Vader thing is a one time appearance. WWE are bringing back a wrestler from RAW's past building up to RAW 1000. I think RAW 1000 is going to be fantastic, they're really pulling the strings and are going to have some big names there apparently. They're treating it as a PPV.

Markhor

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I miss JR...

Him and Lawler were probably the greatest commentating partnership in the history of the WWE, edges out Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan.

'GOOD GAWD ALMIGHTY GOOD GAWD ALMIGHTY ! I SWEAR HE IS BROKEN IN HALF !'.

I miss that intimacy between JR and the viewer. JR was so good that Shawn Michaels actually wanted JR to commentate his last match, but didn't either due to Vince loving Michael Cole or because of a bout of Bell's Palsy.

I hate the 'vintage' idiot Michael Cole who to be fair did do a decent job on Smackdown with Tazz, and later JBL who actually did a good job as colour commentator.

Also regarding RAW's switch to 3 hours, not in favour. Shows are usually best when they leave the viewer wanting more.

Vader is a very impressive athlete for a big guy, not many 400lb'ers can do moonsaults off the top rope. He put on some great matches in the 90s.

Vader had some serious medical issues a few years ago and could not wrestle again.

His wife left him in 2007 due to his addiction to alcohol and painkillers. He quit cold turkey after that, and shortly after, needed a double knee replacement which became infected and made him bedridden for 6 months. Then when he was on the way to japan for an autograph session, he fell into a coma for 33 days. When he awoke, he had lost 113 pounds and couldn't walk or talk properly.

Rana

Best Icon...

1- The Rock
2- Bret Hart
3- Hulk Hogan

Markhor

Utter, utter destruction by Lesnar.

Looks like its nicely set up for Triple H vs Brock Lesnar at Summerslam.

On a side note, Smackdown was a heck of a lot better in previous years.

hefaith

I for one want to see a cena vs sheamus fued, where Cena turns heel. For me, I think that Cena should have turned heel and gone back to Dr. Thuganomics when he had the storyline with Kane. Right now the best way to go is to lose to Big Show, and one of the other super stars confronts him, my hope is that its Sheamus. Cena loses his cool and starts a fued and turns heel.

the Great Khan

lol so the loser lesnar is back to his real business..couldnt hack it in the real fight world and has returned to the fake world..

sorry but I stopped watching this enar the end of the attitude era..I even saw two shows live!! great entertainment!! but Cena is the worst face ive seen in years!! bekaar!!

leatherface58

Cena is suffering from x-PAC heat from past few years.but the kids buy his stuff so wwe will keep with the golden goose till it lays eggs.Daniel Bryan is an extremely good technician.

Markhor

Whatever happened to Mr Kennedy ? He's working for TNA now but I thought he should have been given a title push.

Speaking of titles, the constant winning and losing of world titles devalue the championship belt.

Its the man the makes a title, not the title that makes the man.

WWE should be getting guys over first with the fans, then give them a title, you don't get them over by giving them titles. I think Vince has lost the golden touch he once had.

Rana

Its well hard to get guys over BTW, it needs a hell of a lot of persistence and patience. A lot of guys have been overlooked because of the trust they lose with the creative team. But the truth is that the Gimmicks and characters nowadays really dont appeal like they used to.

James

I always maintain hope for the next star. Everyone hated The Rock for over a year; he had lame gimmicks and regularly stunk up the ring. But place him at the head of a stable and give him a rivalry with Triple H, and look how he turned out.

Amir

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Whatever happened to Mr Kennedy ? He's working for TNA now but I thought he should have been given a title push.

Speaking of titles, the constant winning and losing of world titles devalue the championship belt.

Its the man the makes a title, not the title that makes the man.

WWE should be getting guys over first with the fans, then give them a title, you don't get them over by giving them titles. I think Vince has lost the golden touch he once had.

Not quite sure who you talking about. Both Punk and Sheamus were over before their title runs. Both have had some time with the titles too.

Amir

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I always maintain hope for the next star. Everyone hated The Rock for over a year; he had lame gimmicks and regularly stunk up the ring. But place him at the head of a stable and give him a rivalry with Triple H, and look how he turned out.

Not me. I remember watching Rocky Miavia's debut and loved him since that. I properly marked out when he joined the Nation, cause I really liked the Nation too (more so for their music

).

Markhor

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Not quite sure who you talking about. Both Punk and Sheamus were over before their title runs. Both have had some time with the titles too.

Khali was one person. Extremely limited wrestler, whose only few moves consisted of big boot, chop and that head clutch. As a heel, yeah sure his stature was awe-inspiring, but you should give the title to guys who can actually move around the ring.

The Intercontinental Championship is another example - Ezekiel Jackson, Santino Marella, William Regal have all won IC titles.

Look at the list of World Tag Team Champions - Deuce and Domino, Rikishi and Scotty 2 Hotty, René Duprée and Kenzo Suzuki are just a few. That's a complete joke.

I don't like the pairing of individuals as tag teams either, there used to be some awesome tag teams, Billy and Bart Gunn, the Brainbusters Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard, Legion of Doom, Hart Foundation, Dudleys etc.

Get the character or gimmick over with, and then give them a title. And give them the title for at least a few months, not make them drop it at the next PPV totally devaluing the title.

leatherface58

Paul London and Brian Kendrick were also a pretty good tag team.so were the Hardy Boyz. The tlc matches between edge and Christian, Dudley Boyz and Hardy Boyz were legendary.

James

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Not me. I remember watching Rocky Miavia's debut and loved him since that. I properly marked out when he joined the Nation, cause I really liked the Nation too (more so for their music

).

Fair play, but the 'Rocky Sucks' chants say something about the more general opinion!

Amir

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Fair play, but the 'Rocky Sucks' chants say something about the more general opinion!

I was there at Wrestlemania X-8 when the crowd was cheering for Hogan (stupid marks!). Me and my cuz may have been the only two cheering for Rock that night.

James

Never liked Hogan. The crowd loved him, particularly in the first six Wrestlemanias, but seriously. What an awful wrestler. So glad The Rock was always booked to go over him. A true superstar and a true pro-wrestler.

Markhor

Big Show and Undertaker on commentary

Agreed regarding Hogan, very egotistical, always looking for a payday, limited wrestler and only was a great character.

James

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only was a great character.

Only in America could you have got a gimmick like Hogan over.

Did you see Wrestlemania (Goes to Hollywood) 22 and Hogan's 'shock appearance' skit?

The whole thing was cringey, way overlong and totally lame. The Yanks lapped it up of course.

freelance_cricketer

More than anything i miss the great tag team matches.

Ibad17

WWE should merge both the heavyweight titles to make one single undisputed title. Sheamus vs CM Punk will be a good match if it happens.

Rana

Brock Lesnar v Triple H at summerslam

PB

What a horrible PPV....Oh man.

Oh well looking forward to SummerSlam should be good.

CM Punk Vs. Daniel Bryan - IronMan Match WWE Championship

Triple H Vs. Brock Lesnar - 3 Stages Of Hell Match

Don't care about the rest.

Bilal7

The WWE Championship match was the only one worth watching, it was pretty good actually.

Triple H vs Brock Lesnar is going to be big, whoever takes a loss in that match is going to lose a lot of credibility as both have been inactive for a while and suffered defeats in their last matches.

King_Rizzy

Paul Heyman is great on the mic, always has been, which showed again on Raw this week. I was disappointed with the way Raw ended, another pointless beat down by Cena. Was glad to see Foley and Piper back though. I thought they were going to get superstars from Raw's past to wrestle every week, but it seems like it'll be a mixture between wrestling and just appearing for some segments.

Rana

There were rumours of the Rock and John Cena at summerslam as well, dont know how far that got upto.

Amir

Won't happen. Rock is filming and they have one big match already with HHH And Lesnar. They wouldn't want to take away from that match and would rather save Cena and Rock for another PPV.

Rana

I still dont understand why they aint using Brock Lesnar to get guys like Sheamus, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan over big time.

PakFan2010

Lesnar wil dominate until wrestlemania.

King_Rizzy

Whilst I see the need and benefit of Lesnar putting over some of the younger guys, I don't think he should be doing it, or for that matter putting anyone over. He put Cena over, when Cena didn't need it. He's going to fight Triple H and rumours have it that Triple H is going to go over in that match. Now, it's speculated that at WrestleMania it's going to be Lesnar vs Taker. However, if Lesnar keeps losing, what's the point in him facing Taker? Everyone will know there's no threat there and that Taker will therefore beat him.

What they should do is have Lesnar destroy Triple H, much like he did against Cena, but have him win this time. I'd have Lesnar interfere in a match at Survivor Series and take someone out, 'injuring' him in the process, someone big, someone like Big Show, where Lesnar can throw him around like he did 10 years ago. Do something similar at the Royal Rumble, where someone who is a favourite to win the Rumble, is in the ring all alone waiting for the next man to come down and Lesnar comes in through the crowd and beats the crap out of him. Whilst all of this is going on, you have Heyman coming down every few weeks and explaining Lesnar's actions, amongst other things. The night after the Rumble, Lesnar comes down to the ring and states there's nobody on his level, nobody can keep up, he'll destroy anyone in his patch and GONG! Taker comes out and the match is made. In the weeks that follow, you have Lesnar beat up Taker a few times and make Taker look like the weaker of the two. Come WrestleMania, the two put on a fantastic match and Taker comes out on top.

I should be part of creative!

Rana

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Whilst I see the need and benefit of Lesnar putting over some of the younger guys, I don't think he should be doing it, or for that matter putting anyone over. He put Cena over, when Cena didn't need it. He's going to fight Triple H and rumours have it that Triple H is going to go over in that match. Now, it's speculated that at WrestleMania it's going to be Lesnar vs Taker. However, if Lesnar keeps losing, what's the point in him facing Taker? Everyone will know there's no threat there and that Taker will therefore beat him.

What they should do is have Lesnar destroy Triple H, much like he did against Cena, but have him win this time. I'd have Lesnar interfere in a match at Survivor Series and take someone out, 'injuring' him in the process, someone big, someone like Big Show, where Lesnar can throw him around like he did 10 years ago. Do something similar at the Royal Rumble, where someone who is a favourite to win the Rumble, is in the ring all alone waiting for the next man to come down and Lesnar comes in through the crowd and beats the crap out of him. Whilst all of this is going on, you have Heyman coming down every few weeks and explaining Lesnar's actions, amongst other things. The night after the Rumble, Lesnar comes down to the ring and states there's nobody on his level, nobody can keep up, he'll destroy anyone in his patch and GONG! Taker comes out and the match is made. In the weeks that follow, you have Lesnar beat up Taker a few times and make Taker look like the weaker of the two. Come WrestleMania, the two put on a fantastic match and Taker comes out on top.

I should be part of creative!

I really dont see the need of Triple H going over next match. He only has a year or so left in him. Brock will come back eventually when he will be around 38-39 ad he will be back for a decent amount of time.

As soon as i heard the rumour of Taker v Brock at WM, my mind immediately told me that this will be Taker's last match and will lose. Taker wants to lose his streak to possibly the strongest wrestler in professional wrestling history.

Amir

Taker will not lose to Brock at WM. Taker will only lose if it benefits in some way. Like whether it is rewarding a legend or putting someone over. Definitely not to someone who does not care about wrestling. People in the back don't like Brock. People know he is just here for money, 5 million and only works limited dates. Considering those guys work 300 days of teh year on the road, you can only imagine how much they hate him.

If anything, it should be Cena vs Taker. Super Cena rarely loses a match a clean (only one i can remember is Rock). That is the only realistic possibility of Taker losing (but I want Taker to win).

Rana

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Taker will not lose to Brock at WM. Taker will only lose if it benefits in some way. Like whether it is rewarding a legend or putting someone over. Definitely not to someone who does not care about wrestling. People in the back don't like Brock. People know he is just here for money, 5 million and only works limited dates. Considering those guys work 300 days of teh year on the road, you can only imagine how much they hate him.

If anything, it should be Cena vs Taker. Super Cena rarely loses a match a clean (only one i can remember is Rock). That is the only realistic possibility of Taker losing (but I want Taker to win).

I dont think its fair to say that Brock is here for the money, he doesnt need it. He doesnt like wrestling and the only reason he is back is because Vince and co begged him to return so that they can somehow save the ratings throughout the year. In that sense, he is jobbing for the WWE.

If someone like Randy Orton gets paid $1.4m a year, then it is saddening for the rest of the locker room to see a UFC fighter gets paid triple the amount and hardly travels. But its the price they have to pay nowadays to secure big guns. They must have paid the Rock big time just for one match! one match!!!

The problem is that there isnt another rival organisation around for these wrestlers to meander towards like they had 15 years back with WCW. Bret Hart used to get payed $1.5m a year in 1996, and a top star like Randy Orton today doesnt make as much in this day and age.

Ibad17

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I should be part of creative!

There is a vacancy for the Vice President of Talent Relations. Apply for it.

James

Taker is the most loyal and consistent worker that the WWF/E have had. I am a Brock fan, but Taker doesn't deserve to lose the streak to a johnny-come-lately like Brock.

Callaway gets to retire with the streak intact, or it devalues more than his own legacy. It would also undermine the likes of Shawn and Trips, who are greats that rarely lose matches at Mania unless it's to Taker.

PakFan2010

Taker should lose to Wade Barrett.

Amjid Javed

Taker should keep his record and legacy! Purely due to his loyality to the industry and his outstanding ability as a ring performer.

Ibad17

i think next year Undertaker will face John Cena.

Markhor

I'm not sure whether Lesnar and Undertaker can work together, they have some real personal issues with each other. Apparently it stems from Lesnar's original run in WWE, Taker put Lesnar over a number of times, but it seems Lesnar was unwilling to return the favour.

Here is a rather public clash between the two - Taker says to Lesnar 'You wanna go ?'

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If someone like Randy Orton gets paid $1.4m a year, then it is saddening for the rest of the locker room to see a UFC fighter gets paid triple the amount and hardly travels. But its the price they have to pay nowadays to secure big guns. They must have paid the Rock big time just for one match! one match!!!

It really boggles my mind when current WWE talent take offense to a guy like The Rock or Brock Lesnar returning. It also boggles my mind that certain WWE talent have issues with Lesnar and The Rock moving on from WWE to pursue other passions in life. Sounds like jealousy to me. Had The Rock vs. John Cena not been the headline attraction at Wrestlemania, there is no way whatsoever the event would have broken records and been as successful as it was.

Cody Rhodes vs. The Big Show didn't sell Wrestlemania. The Rock vs. John Cena did. Cody Rhodes vs. The Big Show isn't gonna sell Extreme Rules. Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena is.

Furthermore, when Rock and Brock were full-time members of the WWE roster, they gave it all they had every single night and toured the world many times over, and in the process created huge names for themselves. They have earned the right to come back to WWE on their terms and be "automatically accepted as superstars again."

Rana

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I'm not sure whether Lesnar and Undertaker can work together, they have some real personal issues with each other. Apparently it stems from Lesnar's original run in WWE, Taker put Lesnar over a number of times, but it seems Lesnar was unwilling to return the favour.

Here is a rather public clash between the two - Taker says to Lesnar 'You wanna go ?'

It really boggles my mind when current WWE talent take offense to a guy like The Rock or Brock Lesnar returning. It also boggles my mind that certain WWE talent have issues with Lesnar and The Rock moving on from WWE to pursue other passions in life. Sounds like jealousy to me. Had The Rock vs. John Cena not been the headline attraction at Wrestlemania, there is no way whatsoever the event would have broken records and been as successful as it was.

Cody Rhodes vs. The Big Show didn't sell Wrestlemania. The Rock vs. John Cena did. Cody Rhodes vs. The Big Show isn't gonna sell Extreme Rules. Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena is.

Furthermore, when Rock and Brock were full-time members of the WWE roster, they gave it all they had every single night and toured the world many times over, and in the process created huge names for themselves. They have earned the right to come back to WWE on their terms and be "automatically accepted as superstars again."

Its all good and fun for us fans, but trust me, when your working in competition it hurts big time when you feel as if your efforts are not being appreciated and one offs take all the pleasure.

James

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Furthermore, when Rock and Brock were full-time members of the WWE roster, they gave it all they had every single night and toured the world many times over, and in the process created huge names for themselves. They have earned the right to come back to WWE on their terms and be "automatically accepted as superstars again."

The Rock's earned the right. He is an all time legend, and along with Stone Cold, Triple H and Mick Foley made the company the most successful pro-wrestling promotion ever during the Attitude era.

Brock is not in the class of the above guys, and cannot just expect the same kingly treatment.

Amir

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The Rock's earned the right. He is an all time legend, and along with Stone Cold, Triple H and Mick Foley made the company the most successful pro-wrestling promotion ever during the Attitude era.

Brock is not in the class of the above guys, and cannot just expect the same kingly treatment.

What an insult to Rock. Mentioning Brock in the same statement. Let's get something straight. Rock loves wrestling. He did it because his family loves it.

Brock did it cause he wanted the money. He couldn''t make it as a NFL pro (yes I know the Rock played in college but he worked his way up). So he came to wrestling, built up his profile, quit like that and then couldn't make it in the NFL again. As an athlete, I am a huge fan of Brock. But even I know, he deserves no wrestling legacy. He does not deserve to have the whole WWE revolve around him, nor should he end Takers streak and if he jobs every match - it is not like it is causing him any damage. He doesn't care, he still gets his 5 million.

Rana

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What an insult to Rock. Mentioning Brock in the same statement. Let's get something straight. Rock loves wrestling. He did it because his family loves it.

Brock did it cause he wanted the money. He couldn''t make it as a NFL pro (yes I know the Rock played in college but he worked his way up). So he came to wrestling, built up his profile, quit like that and then couldn't make it in the NFL again. As an athlete, I am a huge fan of Brock. But even I know, he deserves no wrestling legacy. He does not deserve to have the whole WWE revolve around him, nor should he end Takers streak and if he jobs every match - it is not like it is causing him any damage. He doesn't care, he still gets his 5 million.

It is agreed that the Rock is the most entertaining character in the History of pro wrestling, but Brock Lesnar was THE PAIN! He symbolized brutality at its extreme and had he stayed for a couple of years longer, he was well on his way to create a legacy of brutality. Brock is definitely up amongst the elite, but he needs to show more passion to be regarded with respect.

ATM, Brock Lesnar is more than enough to carry the business on his back. John Cena knows that he had no chance had this guy been around

James

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It is agreed that the Rock is the most entertaining character in the History of pro wrestling, but Brock Lesnar was THE PAIN! He symbolized brutality at its extreme and had he stayed for a couple of years longer, he was well on his way to create a legacy of brutality. Brock is definitely up amongst the elite, but he needs to show more passion to be regarded with respect.

ATM, Brock Lesnar is more than enough to carry the business on his back. John Cena knows that he had no chance had this guy been around

Like I said fella. This is hypothetical. Brock was good but he wasn't around for long enough.

The absolute top tier contains the likes of Austin, Rock, Taker, Shawn, Kurt, Triple H, Foley.

Brock hasn't shown the loyalty, brilliance or uniqueness, or (it has to be said) got the buyrates to be in that tier as of yet. Nor has Cena IMO but that's another debate.

Markhor

Lesnar is extremely volatile, very unsociable and has a heck of a lot of heat backstage. Apparently he had a huge row with WWE officials backstage after Extreme Rules. He wanted Cena to be stretched out of the arena, but Cena actually cut a promo afterwards, which infuriated him into a rage, and was throwing objects around.

Theo_14

Vince Mcmahon has urged WWE talent and the WWE creative department to make some serious progress after RAW received really low rating, a couple of weeks ago.

Vince seems to be a big fan of Ryback - I must say him fighting local wrestlers is just emberassing, and it shall continue tonight on Smackdown too. However it's only a matter of time till he is given a big push.

Also Wade Barret is set to return soon - and looks like he will be a receiving a great heel return and perhaps even going on becoming the WWE champions, very likely.

Anyone watch TNA? It received it's first A* rating, seems to be improving week by week. They've done very well since Hogan's arrival.

Rana

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Lesnar is extremely volatile, very unsociable and has a heck of a lot of heat backstage. Apparently he had a huge row with WWE officials backstage after Extreme Rules. He wanted Cena to be stretched out of the arena, but Cena actually cut a promo afterwards, which infuriated him into a rage, and was throwing objects around.

If the rumours are true, then apparently Lesnar is the nicest guy in the WWE locker room. He is allowed to be peeved off at Cena, it was agreed that he was going to be stretched or helped off after that surreal beating.

Cena gave the plot away after that promo, it wasnt good for wrestling and he didnt go off on a vacation, so he lied to the WWE universe.

leatherface58

Kane has been treated horribly by the wwe. jobbing to the likes of rey 619 mysterio and bouncer batista. of course he is only too happy to push over new talent.

that heavyweight title reign where he beat taker thrice was an about time gift.

better have kane win the title twice-thrice than cena win 5-6 times.

damn i miss rikishi, william regal, booker t(As wrestler), hbk, chris benoit(rip. he did an awful thing but he was an awesome wrestler), eddie guerrero(rip).

regal was class as wrestler and heel commentator. he didnt have the star factor but he was highly competent.

James

Kane is a bloody average wrestler though. He does the big man grunts, the flying clothesline and the chokeslam...and that's it. Once Kane's brother-versus-brother heat ran dry then he did as well. Proof that it was only really Taker and his feud with Austin that got Kane over. Kane will always be hovering around the upper-mid card, but he's not champion material at all.

I miss Shawn Michaels. In my view the greatest that the pro-wrestling business has ever seen. 'From the Vault' is an absolutely hypnotic four hours of viewing. The ladder match, the iron man match, Montreal, hell in a cell, the unsanctioned match, the elimination chamber, putting loads of guys over after his return, stealing every PPV that he appeared in. This man made wrestling what it is today.

Amir

Kane is an awesome wrestler! For his size, he moves quick and is able to adapt to different styles of wrestling unlike Big Slow.

Kane is a company guy. He doesn't need the belt to validate him. He just needs to be scary and he does that well. He likes putting guys over and it does help them because to the crowd he is seen as a legit scary big guy.

Rana

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Kane is an awesome wrestler! For his size, he moves quick and is able to adapt to different styles of wrestling unlike Big Slow.

Kane is a company guy. He doesn't need the belt to validate him. He just needs to be scary and he does that well. He likes putting guys over and it does help them because to the crowd he is seen as a legit scary big guy.

He is also one of the few intelligent, educated wrestlers.

He should have a Philosophical fued with Damien Sandown!

King_Rizzy

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He should have a Philosophical fued with Damien Sandown!

Now that would be interesting.

James

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Originally Posted by Amir

Kane is an awesome wrestler! For his size, he moves quick and is able to adapt to different styles of wrestling unlike Big Slow.

Kane is a company guy. He doesn't need the belt to validate him. He just needs to be scary and he does that well. He likes putting guys over and it does help them because to the crowd he is seen as a legit scary big guy.

Awesome is a massive overstatement.

Kane's moveset is almost as limited as Goldberg's. And Kane doesn't even have the Hollywood entrance.

Amir

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Awesome is a massive overstatement.

Kane's moveset is almost as limited as Goldberg's. And Kane doesn't even have the Hollywood entrance.

Limited move set.....I don't agree. How many big guys can go off the top rope? He is meant to be a brute force guy but still wrestle with a technical guy like Punk or Bryan. Have you ever seen Big Show or Khali have a 'wrestling' match with someone? No, because they can't. Neither can Mark Henry.

Kane is really under-rated.

James

Kane isn't big on a Big Show or Mark Henry level of big, huge, and slow. Kane is the size of Undertaker. And Undertaker is an example of how a big guy can be a fantastic in-ring worker who has wonderful four and five-star singles matches. I don't think I've ever seen Kane in even a four-star match. He's just too limited.

leatherface58

They keep sticking kane with stupid storylines. that "katie vick" story which was thoroughly tasteless. then there was the feud with nwo. i mean x pac beat him.

i agree kane has a somewhat limited move set but its way more than john "ripped off moves" cena. cena probably has got the looks to sell wwe to the kids.

cm punk daniel bryan, sheamus these are pretty good wrestlers these days.

shelton benjamin was an excellent wrestler but had no presence. hence he won everything except the main title.

Amir

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Kane isn't big on a Big Show or Mark Henry level of big, huge, and slow. Kane is the size of Undertaker. And Undertaker is an example of how a big guy can be a fantastic in-ring worker who has wonderful four and five-star singles matches. I don't think I've ever seen Kane in even a four-star match. He's just too limited.

Wrong way to look at it. Undertaker is a one-off. How many big guys move like Undertaker? There isn't one. Not NAsh. Not Psycho Sid. No one is nimble as Taker at that size.

Kane is not Taker. No one is other than Taker. But to get pretty close is a mighty fine effort, which Kane does.

James

Kane doesn't get 'pretty close' at all. Would anyone like to name me some/all of his great singles matches?

Markhor

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I miss Shawn Michaels. In my view the greatest that the pro-wrestling business has ever seen. 'From the Vault' is an absolutely hypnotic four hours of viewing. The ladder match, the iron man match, Montreal, hell in a cell, the unsanctioned match, the elimination chamber, putting loads of guys over after his return, stealing every PPV that he appeared in. This man made wrestling what it is today.

He is inspirational. Read his book about 5 times, he was so messed up in the 1990s, but the way he turned his life around, discovered faith and fought through the back injury - amazing.

Just watched his matches vs Mr Kennedy....Kennedy, and they were both brilliant, some excellent technical wrestling.

On the mic I think he was underrated, check out for example his promos on Hulk Hogan - I do believe on a side note that everything he said about Hogan was true - heel promos or not. I think he meant what he said - and that what makes him so good, he is genuine.

The WWE's infatuation with big, limited, powerhouse wrestlers irritates me. You can have a 6ft 230lbs guy and he can be the face of the company for a number of years if given a push.

Kane is good in the ring, solid if unspectacular - but I think he needs a manager with him, like Paul Bearer. Let him focus on being a monster - making him speak takes away the mystique of a character - and let a mouthpiece do the talking.

Also would like to add that Paul Heyman has a fantastic eye for talent, creatively and when it comes to up-and-coming wrestlers he is invaluable.

Rana

Foccusing on kane isnt going to solve the WWE ratings problem, his gimmick has expired im afraid. What the WWE needs is to replace the Undertaker.

A 6ft 10" athletic superstar who has Charisma. Make his gimmick in line with the Undertaker, maybe the son of the Undertaker. Imagine this, after next years Wrestlemania a distressed old lady turns up on Raw and confronts taker revealing the deadman's secret affiliation with her. She then threatens to unleash the beast that taker planted inside her all those years ago. Sometime near Armageddon, Taker turns up to have a fued with the WWE Champion and wins. But then BAM! At the Royal Rumble a fresh faced, good looking tall man with a long robe and hat turns up at no. 30 and surprises everyone by winning the Rumble, his final act of celeberation of the night will be his one knee hands pointing towards the Wresetlemania sign and the eyes rolled back.

Rana

Another possible angle....

Damien Sandown walks into a match that has Kane dominating for a world heavyweight championship. He addresses the WWE universe that how diversity in the society can create a vile and vicious monster like Kane. Kane is forced to listen to his critic and in a instant he gets caught off guard and loses the chance to become champion. Now Kane has a new nemesis, and he wants to expose the dirty political speaker that is damien sandown. In the process of this, Kane turns face.

Amir

Rana you have quite the imagination.

The Taker son storyline does not work. You just can't promote someone so quickly over people who have done their time like Rhodes, Barrett, Ziggler and so on. Even guys like Rock, Austin, HBK all did their time in the bottom rung. The only two guys I can think of that had such a quick promotion are Kurt Angle (but he had fan fare with him) and Brock Lesnar (a freak of nature). You also make it sound very easy just to find another Undertaker, the guy isn't a legend without reason - they just don't grow on trees.

RAW was okay. I feel WWE is lost now. They are trying to think of a big summer angle but have nothing planned. They have effectively destroyed one of the MitB matches. Rather than have Rhodes or Barrett go for it...they wasting a whole match on older guys who don't need the MitB to get over. Does Cena really need to win MitB to get back into the title picture? We know he will face Punk at SS anyways.

Rana

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Originally Posted by Amir

Rana you have quite the imagination.

The Taker son storyline does not work. You just can't promote someone so quickly over people who have done their time like Rhodes, Barrett, Ziggler and so on. Even guys like Rock, Austin, HBK all did their time in the bottom rung. The only two guys I can think of that had such a quick promotion are Kurt Angle (but he had fan fare with him) and Brock Lesnar (a freak of nature). You also make it sound very easy just to find another Undertaker, the guy isn't a legend without reason - they just don't grow on trees.

RAW was okay. I feel WWE is lost now. They are trying to think of a big summer angle but have nothing planned. They have effectively destroyed one of the MitB matches. Rather than have Rhodes or Barrett go for it...they wasting a whole match on older guys who don't need the MitB to get over. Does Cena really need to win MitB to get back into the title picture? We know he will face Punk at SS anyways.

I may be wrong but Undertaker himself had a massive impact on his debut as the Undertaker. Its the gimmick that got him over. What the WWE scouts need to do is find something that can replace him big time. HHH was so right, he cannot end a franchise, label (its all they have left). Taker himself can job for whatever they have to replace him.

Remeber, taker is one of the first guys who jobs for upcoming talent. He did it for Brock, Cena, Batista, Orton, Kane, CM Punk and he even tried his hand for the Great Khali. Thats what makes the guy the legend he is, he creates stars alongside his magnificence.

Rana

I think Cena is going to Money in the /ban because they are building up for the Rock's return as champion. If the Rock's 'vision' is going to come true, the WWE aint going to have him become Champion beating CM punk, sheamus or D Bryan, its going to have to be an angle that consists of Brock Lesnar or John Cena.

Rana

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He is inspirational. Read his book about 5 times, he was so messed up in the 1990s, but the way he turned his life around, discovered faith and fought through the back injury - amazing.

Just watched his matches vs Mr Kennedy....Kennedy, and they were both brilliant, some excellent technical wrestling.

On the mic I think he was underrated, check out for example his promos on Hulk Hogan - I do believe on a side note that everything he said about Hogan was true - heel promos or not. I think he meant what he said - and that what makes him so good, he is genuine.

The WWE's infatuation with big, limited, powerhouse wrestlers irritates me. You can have a 6ft 230lbs guy and he can be the face of the company for a number of years if given a push.

Kane is good in the ring, solid if unspectacular - but I think he needs a manager with him, like Paul Bearer. Let him focus on being a monster - making him speak takes away the mystique of a character - and let a mouthpiece do the talking.

Also would like to add that Paul Heyman has a fantastic eye for talent, creatively and when it comes to up-and-coming wrestlers he is invaluable.

I have learnt from Shawn's book, but i dont think he was completely honest. It would be interesting if someone who knew HBK well and writes a 'tell all' biography that isnt published under the WWE label. Then we will get to find out the truth about this man. I am only a great fan of Shawn Micheals the character, not the person. He is one of the most deceiving persons ever to have walked on the face of the Earth

Markhor

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I have learnt from Shawn's book, but i dont think he was completely honest. It would be interesting if someone who knew HBK well and writes a 'tell all' biography that isnt published under the WWE label. Then we will get to find out the truth about this man. I am only a great fan of Shawn Micheals the character, not the person. He is one of the most deceiving persons ever to have walked on the face of the Earth

In the 1990s definitely, but the thing is, all the politicking that he did, and occurred with the 'Kliq' - is it really different to what Hogan did, or Savage, or Piper or Bob Orton did in their days ? I don't see why HBK, Hunter, Nash should be held to a different standard than the others. Yes they had Vince's ear - but if you are a WWE wrestler, wouldn't you want a close relationship with Vince, wouldn't you want to remain working main-events, at the top ?

I understand the criticism of the 1990s HBK - Vince said that he was horrific to work with, regularly made threats that he'd quit the company if things did not go his way, refusing to do jobs.

However post-2002, he jobbed to youngsters, he is a full-time family man, his wife and children are happy with him as a husband and father whereas before he'd pass out on the couch due to painkillers, and his own son Cameron even pointed out 'Daddy's asleep', and was a totally broken man - mentally and physically.

But to come back from all of that, it is inspirational, and is one of the greatest, if not the greatest in-ring worker of all time, and that for me overrides his negative traits in the 90s.

King_Rizzy

Was it just me or was Layla looking mighty fine in her bikini on Raw?

Rana

Its been a hell of a long time since the gals got naked on RAW, what does that do to the PG rating?

Amir

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Was it just me or was Layla looking mighty fine in her bikini on Raw?

Indeed but for me it is all about AJ. She just looks like she keeps getting fitter!

James

AJ

One of the better Raws in a while. Cena-Jericho followed by Cena-Punk followed by Cena-Rock alongside Triple H-Lesnar. That would be a semi-interesting second half of the year.

King_Rizzy

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Indeed but for me it is all about AJ. She just looks like she keeps getting fitter!

Tooooo skinny!

Her character though, I'm loving that. Her craziness, I think they should bring the crazy Khama in and start a storyline with AJ. Two crazy chicks going at it would be great to see.

Rana

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Tooooo skinny!

Her character though, I'm loving that. Her craziness, I think they should bring the crazy Khama in and start a storyline with AJ. Two crazy chicks going at it would be great to see.

I loved it when Kane said that "im a monster and even i find you unstable!"