Euro 2012 l Team England

[PetroDollars]

Roys tactics would not work anymore and would just take England backwards. England need a manager to inject some style in the squad with a 4-5-1


----------------------Hart----------------------

Walker------Smalling----Jones-------Cole

-------------------Rodwell------------------

-----------Cleverly----------Wilshire----------

Chamberlain----------------------------Young

----------------------Rooney--------------------

Ofcourse much depends on Rodwells and Cleverlys fitness, as they both have been injury prone, but if they can get over their injury problems all would be fantastic players.

I wouldn't mind seeing a 4-3-3 system like Barcelona where Rooney can play as a striker with Welbeck and Struridge on his sides.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Seriously, Young? The guy was awful, I don't think I have seen a worse performance in a tournament before. Correct me if I am wrong BUT I don't think he did one decent thing in the entire tournament

Someone like Scott Sinclair should be given a go

Also he might be a bit young and inexperienced at the moment BUT Ross Barkley should be involved (squad) if he can get himself into the Everton side

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Seriously, Young? The guy was awful, I don't think I have seen a worse performance in a tournament before. Correct me if I am wrong BUT I don't think he did one decent thing in the entire tournament Someone like Scott Sinclair should be given a go Also he might be a bit young and inexperienced at the moment BUT Ross Barkley should be involved (squad) if he can get himself into the Everton side

GA you follow English media experts who don't have a clue about the game?

Young did not make no impact that's not because he was poor it was more to do with inability of our centre backs and esp the so called best midfielder in the tournament Gerard to use the ball properly. Wingers and strikers rely on service and there was hardly any balls sprayed by our midfield.

Any decent openings created were down to Rooney and Young. Good midfielders create space for themselves and keep it simple. We had one headless chicken running around and hoofing the ball up field and one legend who tries 20 Hollywood long passes per game with one or two coming off.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail GA you follow English media experts who don't have a clue about the game? Young did not make no impact that's not because he was poor it was more to do with inability of our centre backs and esp the so called best midfielder in the tournament Gerard to use the ball properly. Wingers and strikers rely on service and there was hardly any balls sprayed by our midfield. Any decent openings created were down to Rooney and Young. Good midfielders create space for themselves and keep it simple. We had one headless chicken running around and hoofing the ball up field and one legend who tries 20 Hollywood long passes per game with one or two coming off.

I don't care for English media 'experts', I judge the game based on what I saw and Ashley Young was terrible

I bet if Ashley Young was a Liverpool player you would agree BUT you are only defending him because he plays for Man-U

Blaming Gerrard is ridiculous, whenever Ashley Young got the ball he struggled to beat a player or put in a decent pass/cross

[ecstatic_freak]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail GA you follow English media experts who don't have a clue about the game? Young did not make no impact that's not because he was poor it was more to do with inability of our centre backs and esp the so called best midfielder in the tournament Gerard to use the ball properly. Wingers and strikers rely on service and there was hardly any balls sprayed by our midfield. Any decent openings created were down to Rooney and Young. Good midfielders create space for themselves and keep it simple. We had one headless chicken running around and hoofing the ball up field and one legend who tries 20 Hollywood long passes per game with one or two coming off.

Young's delivery was aweful dude

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I don't care for English media 'experts', I judge the game based on what I saw and Ashley Young was terrible I bet if Ashley Young was a Liverpool player you would agree BUT you are only defending him because he plays for Man-U Blaming Gerrard is ridiculous, whenever Ashley Young got the ball he struggled to beat a player or put in a decent pass/cross

That's a wrong assumption that if he was a Liverpool player I would agree. Nani and young had similar season at OT with mostly good mixed with some ordinary performances. But at Euros Nani is having a good tournament because Portugal midfield feeds him and Ronaldo plenty of ball. Now they lose the ball send in poor crosses but over a game with good service they do enough to have an impact on the game.

How many times young was fed the ball in opposition half with full back over lapping like Evra does and takes away a defender to create space for young to attack?

If Gerrard is the best mid fielder in the world we are led to believe why he looked rushed on the ball all the time? Because there was no movement off the ball between him and Parker. Pirlo showed like Xavi does that good midfielders have time and space to boss a game.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail That's a wrong assumption that if he was a Liverpool player I would agree. Nani and young had similar season at OT with mostly good mixed with some ordinary performances. But at Euros Nani is having a good tournament because Portugal midfield feeds him and Ronaldo plenty of ball. Now they lose the ball send in poor crosses but over a game with good service they do enough to have an impact on the game. How many times young was fed the ball in opposition half with full back over lapping like Evra does and takes away a defender to create space for young to attack? If Gerrard is the best mid fielder in the world we are led to believe why he looked rushed on the ball all the time? Because there was no movement off the ball between him and Parker. Pirlo showed like Xavi does that good midfielders have time and space to boss a game.

A player ultimately has to take responsibility for their own performances, no doubt if you have better players alongside you will play better BUT when Ashley Young had the ball at his feet, that was his opportunity to do something and failed miserably, it is a cop out trying to blame it on others

James Milner was average BUT he had a better tournament than Ashley Young, so the excuses about Gerrard are not valid

[saeed-sohail]

So you think gerrard had a good tournament?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail So you think gerrard had a good tournament?

Again I don't think how he performed is really relevant to how poor Ashley Young was BUT I thought Gerrard was okay, not brilliant and not terrible

[PetroDollars]

Ashley Young was Englands best performer in the qualifying games so its harsh that people are attacking him for his performance in Euros where the whole team floped.

Young is a guy who excels in an attacking team, like we have seen him at MU and had a good first season BUT when your whole team is going to sit back and defend there's not much a player like Young can do. Blame Hodgson not Young. The tactics and strategies just didn't suit a player like Young.

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Ashley Young was Englands best performer in the qualifying games so its harsh that people are attacking him for his performance in Euros where the whole team floped. Young is a guy who excels in an attacking team, like we have seen him at MU and had a good first season BUT when your whole team is going to sit back and defend there's not much a player like Young can do. Blame Hodgson not Young. The tactics and strategies just didn't suit a player like Young.

Exactly. When statistically the most common passing link from Eng in the QF was Hart and Carroll who came on after 60 mins it shows how poor the team is. Truth is Gerrard and Parker were out played in every game by the opposing midfield and attacking players suffered as a result.

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed When do England play next? We should get a good idea of what Roy plans on doing I really hope we don't see Terry, Gerrard, Parker, Lampard etc etc The only players that should remain from the experienced bunch are Ashley Cole and Wayne Rooney It is time for the likes of Wilshere, Chamberlain, Cleverley etc to take England forward

Funnily enough we play Italy in a friendly in August.
I dont know why Parker was included in the list, he did well IMO....a real fighter, an old style footballer. Really like him and though he did really well tbh.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Mohsin Funnily enough we play Italy in a friendly in August. I dont know why Parker was included in the list, he did well IMO....a real fighter, an old style footballer. Really like him and though he did really well tbh.

He will be almost 34 come the World Cup and also whilst the defensive side of his game is there, England need to give technical players the chance and build around them, Parker is not technical

[SOSami]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Ashley Young was Englands best performer in the qualifying games so its harsh that people are attacking him for his performance in Euros where the whole team floped. Young is a guy who excels in an attacking team, like we have seen him at MU and had a good first season BUT when your whole team is going to sit back and defend there's not much a player like Young can do. Blame Hodgson not Young. The tactics and strategies just didn't suit a player like Young.

That's no excuse for Young not being to find his fellow midfielders with even the simplest of passes. And it's also not an excuse for consistently mis-controlling a football.

He was shocking in every aspect except for pace, which just requires him to run mind you.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

English football culture is flawed at the most basic level. In the rest of the world passing and technique is valued above pace and brute force. In England, "getting stuck in" is still the most important attribute. You just have to watch British commentators moaning about UEFA making football virtually a non-contact sport with referees cracking down on certain types of physical challenges to see this is true.

Needs a different mindset among spectators and pundits to really progress in my view.

[Rana]

The difference will come if England have Pep or Wenger as manager.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Rana The difference will come if England have Pep or Wenger as manager.

No it won't. Because they manage teams with the world's best stars recruited from all over the globe. England teams on the other hand have access to English players only, which is why the likes of Guardiola or Wenger would probably not want the job.

[Rana]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat No it won't. Because they manage teams with the world's best stars recruited from all over the globe. England teams on the other hand have access to English players only, which is why the likes of Guardiola or Wenger would probably not want the job.

English players on the brink are actually very good.

If the manager uses his brain and starts recruiting players from Arsenal's set up (who are brought up playing the style required) then we can make a difference.

We seriously lack players who feel comfortable holding the ball at international level. Wilshere will solve half the problem, but he needs sensible players around him, and im afraid Ashley Young, Milner, Rooney are not that level.

[Amjid Javed]

The only positive thing Ashley young did in the euros was he didnt dive at any point when any defender came near him. He was england worse player in the tourney, pretty much a pile of **** (and am being disprespectful to **** here)

----------------------Hart----------------------

Walker------ Cahill ---- Lescott -------Cole

-------------------Rodwell------------------

-----------Cleverly----------Wilshire----------

Chamberlain---------------------------- rooney
----------------------welbeck --------------------

Thats the 11 for me if everyone is fit that should play for england in the 1st WC Qualifiers they have.

Smalling and Jones are nowhere near developed enough right now to be englands 1st choice CB pairing like some united fan has suggested. They might be in 2/3 years time, Most CBs get better with age.

[Amjid Javed]

Just read that england play italy again in Berne in August before the season starts so we will see possibly a new look england sqaud and will see if there is any improvement in the team.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail GA you follow English media experts who don't have a clue about the game? Young did not make no impact that's not because he was poor it was more to do with inability of our centre backs and esp the so called best midfielder in the tournament Gerard to use the ball properly. Wingers and strikers rely on service and there was hardly any balls sprayed by our midfield. Any decent openings created were down to Rooney and Young. Good midfielders create space for themselves and keep it simple. We had one headless chicken running around and hoofing the ball up field and one legend who tries 20 Hollywood long passes per game with one or two coming off.

so Youngs crap performance were down to others and same for rooney. I know united fans are biased but your post is utter tripe!

Even some of the people i work with who support united and are season ticket holders say both player were a let down for england in the euros.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Ashley Young was Englands best performer in the qualifying games so its harsh that people are attacking him for his performance in Euros where the whole team floped. Young is a guy who excels in an attacking team, like we have seen him at MU and had a good first season BUT when your whole team is going to sit back and defend there's not much a player like Young can do. Blame Hodgson not Young. The tactics and strategies just didn't suit a player like Young.

So judging your analysis similarly RVPs rubbish Euros for can be blamed on the rest of his team being poor and for hogging the ball and not playing into him all the time like when hes playing at arsenal.

Young was awful and shouldnt even have been on the pitch to take his pathetic penalty against Italy.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Rana English players on the brink are actually very good. If the manager uses his brain and starts recruiting players from Arsenal's set up (who are brought up playing the style required) then we can make a difference. We seriously lack players who feel comfortable holding the ball at international level. Wilshere will solve half the problem, but he needs sensible players around him, and im afraid Ashley Young, Milner, Rooney are not that level.

But that just reinforces my point that the football culture in England is still stuck i the dark ages. Otherwise why is it a foreign manager who is bringing up players who play in the right style in the EPL? Why should an England manager have to resort to picking Arsenal players to ensure a team that is comfortable on the ball?

[Amjid Javed]

It would help england alot if rooney decided to perform in a major tourney for once.

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed So judging your analysis similarly RVPs rubbish Euros for can be blamed on the rest of his team being poor and for hogging the ball and not playing into him all the time like when hes playing at arsenal. Young was awful and shouldnt even have been on the pitch to take his pathetic penalty against Italy.

RVP missed chance after chance in the tournament. Again it was inability of midfield that hampered the attacking players. Italy created 5/6 chances for balotelli how many times rooney and young were given decent service. Hart and Carroll was the most common passing combination for Eng says a lot about Eng midfield.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail RVP missed chance after chance in the tournament. Again it was inability of midfield that hampered the attacking players. Italy created 5/6 chances for balotelli how many times rooney and young were given decent service. Hart and Carroll was the most common passing combination for Eng says a lot about Eng midfield.

Eh? Young doesn't need to be given service, his role in the team is to provide for the strikers and he failed miserably

[Alexander]

Coming from a Man Utd fan, Young has had a seriously crap tournament and offers nothing to this England team. Needs to be dropped until he learns basics like passing and retaining possession.

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Eh? Young doesn't need to be given service, his role in the team is to provide for the strikers and he failed miserably

Wingers don't need the ball/service? Com'n GA it's your centre midfield that controls the game and distributes the ball to wide men and strikers. Did you see the impact scholes made for united. Young and Valencia picked their form up because scholes controlled games and sprayed the ball around. How many times we see him switching the play from one side to other and full backs overlapping the wingers to create space with taking defenders away. Eng were too static and always had men behind the ball. Now to play in front of the other team you need to be good in possession.

Look at Nani and ronaldo tonight. They will lose the ball, send in poor crosses and have wild shots but they will see so much of the ball that they will put in some quality.

[SOSami]

Well well well.

If English football needs an overhaul after their match against Italy, where does that leave the Germans after that hammering tonight?

England were not exposed that badly, and had better chances too. Germans are overhyped and were torn apart today - Spain would have been praying for a German win too.

Italy won the tournament the day they beat England, who were the most likely team to beat them, simply because they play a style (admittedly not nearly as well) not dissimilar to the Italian way.

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by SOSami Well well well. If English football needs an overhaul after their match against Italy, where does that leave the Germans after that hammering tonight? England were not exposed that badly, and had better chances too. Germans are overhyped and were torn apart today - Spain would have been praying for a German win too. Italy won the tournament the day they beat England, who were the most likely team to beat them, simply because they play a style (admittedly not nearly as well) not dissimilar to the Italian way.

I agree, Italy have been poor at finishing and should have beaten England by at least 3 goals in 90 minutes but today they should have scored 5/6 but then Germans have always been chokers.

[Amoeba]

I'm not sure where a team with 6 titles, 1 more than Italy currently, suddenly can be described as always chokers. Looks like someone has only been watching football for 6 years.

The difference between Germany and England is age and technique. Germany has the youngest squad in the tournament - they have already had the overhaul. What they do need is a sweeper. Germany are at their best with a Beckenbaur / Mathias type figure at the back bringing the ball forward.

[James]

Suddenly England's performance against Italy looks quite good! The only team to defend well and keep a clean sheet against them so far.

[Amoeba]

Yep and suddenly Germany's defence looks even worse than suspected. The only other team that Italy managed 2 goals against was..........um.....RoI !

The less said the better.

[James]

Hummels has been well overrated. Balotelli ran rings around the German defence, the same Balotelli who was comfortably dealt with by John Terry of all people.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by James Suddenly England's performance against Italy looks quite good! The only team to defend well and keep a clean sheet against them so far.

That's one way of looking at it. Another view is that it's sometimes about styles which make teams perform well against some teams and less against others. England's team is capable of frustrating good sides and getting creditable draws like against France and Italy, but they lack the panache to batter teams as Germany can do. On the other hand the German gung ho attitude sees them regularly beaten by the crafty Italians who are one of the few teams who can absorb their pressure yet still retain enough threat to hit back with devastating effect.

England are stuck between two stools and have been for some time.

[Amoeba]

Written by Mitch Benn who appears on the Now Show for the WC in 2010. Should be England's official song for every tournament.

[Theo_14]

Originally Posted by James Hummels has been well overrated. Balotelli ran rings around the German defence, the same Balotelli who was comfortably dealt with by John Terry of all people.

Hummels had a poor game against Italy, just like any other German player on the pitch, apart from Rues... Who sparkled and posed a threat when coming on a a sub.

Hummels has not been overrated at all during the tournament - the term overrated is overused, just how the term 'legend' is overused.

Hummels had a good tournament, defensively he read the game well - looked solid in the games, just had that one poor game vs Italy where he needed to perform. It happens.