Does Salman Butt's case tell us that Education is NOT the answer to corruption?

[MenInG]

Wasnt he educated in one of the better schools in Pakistan? Yet he stands convicted of a crime which is shocking to many in the world, yet not so strange in Pakistan - corruption!

So what happened to the theory that education/literacy will get rid of this plague from Pakistan?

It appears that simply educating a person - teaching him to read and write or speak English is NOT the answer. There is something more...

[speed]

not really much to do with education more to do with keeping good company and parents.

[IgnitedMind]

ofcourse not, biggest of the crooks in most countries are the "educated" !!

[tanzeel]

Fluency in English does not equate to being educated. His educational credentials are pretty poor when looked at closely. He dropped out after O'Levels which basically means that he didn't even complete high school, not impressive by any means.

The importance of parents in the development of a person's character development is also massively exaggerated in Pakistani society. Less than 5% of what a person turns out to be as an adult can be attributed to his/her parents with the rest coming from the individual's experiences and interactions outside of home, mostly in the school and on the street. Parents in Pakistan can and usually do try to inculcate certain values in their child but more often than not they are lost by the time the person hits 13 or 14. The actions of anyone over that age are almost never an accurate reflection on his/her parents and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous and quite frankly unfair on the parents/guardians.

[BoomBoomCricket]

Saj already has written a thread on this before.

[Senman]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket Saj already has written a thread on this before.

Education enables us to think of the consequences of every action but still if one is stupid enough to ignore and dare it then he must be held responsible not education.

[Gabbar Singh]

Education just makes people think of more elaborate scams.

If you have a greedy nature then you have a greedy nature, regardless of whether you're educated or not.

[SpoiledPain]

Well education doesn't stop one from being greedy, To be honest educated players are more likely to fix because they know they are going to make easy money, especially when they are not So talented like sallu and not so educated people like amir dont realize that they have all the talent in the world and will probably make a lot more by playing

[Rana]

I think Hansie Cronje's case should have taught us ages ago, he came from a private school and excellent background.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by MenInG It appears that simply educating a person - teaching him to read and write or speak English is NOT the answer. There is something more...

Yeah, decent upbringing. My parents and their church hammered two values into me: always tell the truth, and don't ever, ever steal.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by MenInG Wasnt he educated in one of the better schools in Pakistan? Yet he stands convicted of a crime which is shocking to many in the world, yet not so strange in Pakistan - corruption! So what happened to the theory that education/literacy will get rid of this plague from Pakistan? It appears that simply educating a person - teaching him to read and write or speak English is NOT the answer. There is something more...

Majority of the corruption in Pakistan has done by the educated class.

Poor people do not have access to any corruption, military, civil service and politicians are all highly educated people.

Even look at US, all the white collar crimes are done by the top elite, which are highly educated people and a country who used to have budget surplus, now in trillion dollars deficit. Thanks to so called educated class!!

[Theo_14]

Being educated is a huge advantage. However, once you are classified as educated, along with those exceptional qualifications you have up your sleeves. It's then up to you, to decide how you want to utilise that advantage.

With Salman's case, he decided to utilise that advantage for the wrong reasons - chose the wrong path. Look... At the end of the day, it's your mind which tells you what's wrong, or what's right... Not the knowledge and clearly Salman Butt failed to think before doing such a low shameful thing.

[Fireworks11]

Grades don’t measure intelligence and age doesn’t define maturity.

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

We have quiet a farawani(supply) of "parhee likhe jaahils" in Pakistan.I mean look at all our leaders.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When the system encourages fraud you will find that it will happen, so my view is that rather than focus on individuals or family, look at the culture in which this is happening. It's too easy to flout the law in the subcontinent so fraud and corruption is endemic.

When there are proper systems with transparency and accountability in place then you might see a change. Until then it's of little worth pointing the finger at one person except to make ourselves feel superior.

[RexRex]

Originally Posted by Robert Yeah, decent upbringing. My parents and their church hammered two values into me: always tell the truth, and don't ever, ever steal.

The biggest factor that influences a man's decency is his parent's conduct without a doubt.They pick up EVERYTHING simply by silently observing them from how you treat strangers , guests , civic sense , honesty , modesty the list goes on.. Education gives you zilch in that regard.


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[Nishaa]

Originally Posted by RexRex The biggest factor that influences a man's decency is his parent's conduct without a doubt.They pick up EVERYTHING (even silently without the parent's being aware) from how you treat strangers , guests , civic sense , honesty , modesty the list goes on.. Education gives you zilch in that regard.

I agree! I live in apartments and the children here go to the same school but are so different from each other when it comes to respect and discipline and that is from their parents.. Children copy their parents a lot and more than schools it is the family culture that dominates in the end..

I personally don't think education does much except provide you with jobs. One only has to come to internet to see how racist/intolerant educated people are.

Educated/uneducated people all commit crimes.. it is just that educated people can probably hide their crimes or pretend to be something in public and do something else in private...

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by Nishaa I agree! I live in apartments and the children here go to the same school but are so different from each other when it comes to respect and discipline and that is from their parents.. Children copy their parents a lot and more than schools it is the family culture that dominates in the end.. I personally don't think education does much except provide you with jobs. One only has to come to internet to see how racist/intolerant educated people are. Educated/uneducated people all commit crimes.. it is just that educated people can probably hide their crimes or pretend to be something in public and do something else in private...

If you take education as being becoming engineers and doctors then u r right. However a good education is somthing more than that. Family teaches good and bad about life. While school prepares you for financial security. Values comes from family and the people you hang around with. Both are important for one to be a good person. Salman Butt got greedy

[DHONI183]

Depends. If you are bias towards someone then one can use it as an excuse.

Originally Posted by DHONI183 Was Salman Butt not an educated person belonging to a good background? I agree that education is very important in all matters, but is a professional sportsperson really that 'stupid' not to know the consequences and the bad effects of match-fixing? Does one really need someone to tell him not to be greedy? Do not past incidents stand as examples for them? Greed has no cure apart from fighting the satan inside you.

^ http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...17&postcount=8 ^

Originally Posted by DHONI183 The whole argument falls flat on its face when you consider that Salman Butt was an educated man. End of the story for me.

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[Savak]

Education allows you to be more well informed and aware of plenty of things being practiced in the world, but character is down to the individual.

[FusedBulb]

It's primarily about in the society you were brought up. As Imran Khan put it, It's the mindset that deceived them (trio). Unconsciously their brains did not warn them that this is UK and it's NOT Pakistan where you can get away with any kind of corruption. What our kids see in Pakistan is, the more powerful you are the more weaker the law becomes for you, so their brain mechanism knew no risk in going thru that path, but fortunately they were not in Pakistan. Glad that it happened we got rid of him and the rest.

So far as the education goes, that's another dilemma .. our educated class in the urban areas, govt offices (from top to bottom), law enforcement and in private business sector is MORE corrupt than the "sada loh" type 70% illiterate rural population where mostly corrupts are ones who have a little education... putwaari, S.H.O, wadera etc. So in fact, increase in literacy is directly proportional to corruption in Pakistan. The more educated people you have, the more corrupt Pak society becomes. Interesting isn't it?

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