The WWE Thread

[Amir]

People were still cheering Sid.

[James]

To be fair Sid has always been a trifle lame. He's nowhere near a legend of pro-wrestling, unlike Vader.

[Rana]

Originally Posted by James To be fair Sid has always been a trifle lame. He's nowhere near a legend of pro-wrestling, unlike Vader.

Sid Vicous was quite a force in WCW. He still has a lot more charisma than most of the locker room.

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by James To be fair Sid has always been a trifle lame. He's nowhere near a legend of pro-wrestling, unlike Vader.

He's a stiff worker. Heath Slater was hammering away at his back and he completely no-selled the punches (4.32 in video).

[King_Rizzy]

^^^

Yes I noticed this immediately when watching RAW, I was like eh???

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by King_Rizzy ^^^ Yes I noticed this immediately when watching RAW, I was like eh???

I was watching an interview where Sid was asked what was his 5 favourite submission holds, he mentioned 4 of them.

Then for the 5th one he said, errr...its gotta be the POWERBOMB !!

[Markhor]

Priceless !

[PakFan2010]

One of the better fakes.

[Rana]

Some Awards...

Best Heel

1) Triple H
2) Brock Lesnar
3) Kurt Angle

Potentiol: Randy Orton/ Cody Rhodes

Best Icon/ Legend/ Face

1) The Rock
2) Hulk Hogan
3) Bret Hart

Potentiol= John Cena

Best Powerhouse/ Beast/ Brute Force

1) Brock Lesnar
2) Goldberg
3) Batista

Potentiol= Rhyback

[Rana]

Continued...

Best Gimmick

1) The Undertaker
2) Sting
3) The Ultimate Warrior

Potentiol= none really

Best Entrance

1) The Undertaker
2) Goldberg
3) The Rock

Potentiol= Brodus Clay

Best Vanila Midget (small Technical Wrestler)

1) Bret Hart
2) Shawn Micheals
3) Chris Benoit

potentiol= Daniel Bryan

[Rana]

Continued...

Best Diva

1) Trish Stratus
2) Torrie Wilson
3) Stacy Kiebler

Potentiol= Eve Torres

Best Big Athlete (Above 6ft 7")

1) The Undertaker
2) Kane
3) Kevin Nash

Potentiol= The Big Show

Best Cruiserweight/ High Flyer

1) Jeff Hardy
2) Rey Mysterio
3) Billy Kidman

Potentiol= Sin Cara

Best Mic Skills

1) The Rock
2) Rowdy Piper
3) Shawn Michaels

potentiol= John Cena

Best outlaws

1) Stone Cold
2) The Rock
3) Mick Foley

Potentiol= CM Punk

[Rana]

Continued...

Best Teams

1) NWO
2) DX
3) Evolution

Potentiol= Nexus

Best Finisher

1) F5
2) The Pedigree
3) Tombstone Piledriver

Potentiol= RKO

Ladies Man

1) Shawn Michaels
2) The Rock
3) Bret Hart

Potentiol= Cody Rhodes

Best Music that gives an immediate pop

1) The Rock
2) Stone Cold
3) Brock Lesnar

Potentiol= Randy Orton

[Markhor]

Good God ! A sick announce table bump at 6.20

[King_Rizzy]

AJ has stolen the show 2 Raw's running IMO.

[Amir]

RAW was terrible. I started watching TNA couple months back and for the first time I am looking forward more to Impact than RAW or Smackdown. Even MitB, one of my fav ppvs looks quite dry this year. It always has been about making stars, but this year its more about how do we get the spotlight on Cena so we can shove him down your throat again. God forbid, we have a PPV that actually does not revolve around Cena.

TNA just had their two longest reigning champions square off in a good clean match. On a night dedicated to their X division, they took their face of that division and made him win the world title. And more importantly, it was the first time these two faced each other which added to the intrigue....as opposed to overkilling a a feud with an endless count of tag matches (I love Punk and Bryan but WWE totally has killed this feud with them facing each other on Raw every week with some sort of new partner).

[PakFan2010]

TNA is way better, Aries has just been given the title and he is plain awesome.

A shame I have to download TNA due to a delayed broadcast when it comes on in the UK's albeit I can watch Destination X again on a Wednesday night free of charge on Challenge.

Raw is terrible, I give up.

[Rana]

For the sake of Raw, i hope TNA starts becoming big as the WCW, so that WWE can start to compete again and properly

[Rana]

Reports that an 8 man battle royal at the 1000 episode of Raw with guest appearances. Rumours that...

Stone Cold
The Rock
Triple H
The Undertaker
Kane
Big show
Chris Jericho
Man Kind

and HBK+ Bret Hart as guest referees

[Ibad17]

The Rock will be on the 1000th episode of Raw.

[King_Rizzy]

If that battle royal happened, that would be awesome nostalgia!

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by Rana For the sake of Raw, i hope TNA starts becoming big as the WCW, so that WWE can start to compete again and properly

True, Vince is complacent without that competition.

But TNA is run by clueless jokers like Hogan and Bischoff. TNA used to have a good X Division although that's now gone downhill.

They should get someone in like Paul Heyman who's a great booker, just get someone else to do the finances.

I never really understood why WCW went downhill but from the bits that I've read, WCW was being run like an old boys club - with the older guys like Hogan trying to keep themselves on top. Younger talent were not being developed like Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero who were having great matches but then left to WWF/E.

Eventually Vince bought out his competition - not many bosses can say that, but Vince has ended up monopolising wrestling and fair play to him.

Like him or loath him, he has been extremely successful - turning wrestling into what used to be a territorial business to a worldwide entity.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Markhor True, Vince is complacent without that competition. But TNA is run by clueless jokers like Hogan and Bischoff. TNA used to have a good X Division although that's now gone downhill. They should get someone in like Paul Heyman who's a great booker, just get someone else to do the finances. I never really understood why WCW went downhill but from the bits that I've read, WCW was being run like an old boys club - with the older guys like Hogan trying to keep themselves on top. Younger talent were not being developed like Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero who were having great matches but then left to WWF/E. Eventually Vince bought out his competition - not many bosses can say that, but Vince has ended up monopolising wrestling and fair play to him. Like him or loath him, he has been extremely successful - turning wrestling into what used to be a territorial business to a worldwide entity.

Not anymore. TNA has got a lot better over the past few months. They finally got rid of Bischoff. For once, I respect Hogan - his role is perfect. He essentially lends his name for TNA to use but he has a very limited TV role. He just comes out, announces contenders and dips. Hogan has been doing wonders.

Over past few months the focus has been on their own homegrown talent. Roode had been champion for over 300 days. Aries X division champion for 200 days. They bringing back credence to X division by annually giving WHC shot to X division champ at Destination X. Furthermore, they are giving a massive push to James Storm (though he is an HBK wannabe). AJ Styles, Kazarian, Daniels all involved in a major storyline. Abyss is becoming relevant again. And oddly, the only "WWE" guy getting somewhat of the spotlight is Bully Ray. Angle, Hardy, RVD, and Anderson are all currently in the mid-card and help get over the guys listed above. Sting too now has taken a backseat role.

TNA has been doing great in 2012 and opposite of WWE in many respects.The focus of their show is the WHC, which it should be. They are not trying to shove the same guy down our throat every night and then say "others don't draw." Well of course they don't when you build the PPV around an old feud with little meaning (if you dont' get what I am hinting at - I am talking about Cena).

TNA has learnt from many of WCW mistakes and part of that was getting rid of Bischoff, Russo, and Jarrett.

[Rana]

TNA have a rookie named Magnus Brutus, who i think should be snapped up by WWE.

He is English and has waaay more heel potential than Wade Barret who isnt too bad either.

[DoosraTeesra]

RAW this week was terrible. Seriously its like they are only now targeting 9 year old audiences. Hornswoggle as the anonymous general manager? Utter crap on part wwe creative.

Regarding MITB, You can mark my word, Cena is going to RAW Ladder match. The era of SuperCena is back after one year.

CM Punk Vs Daniel Bryan with AJ as guest referee is the only real attraction of PPV, Rest of the card is terribly boring. Looking forward for Brock Lesnar Return though.

I hope WWE don't screw up RAW 1000 with stupid nonsensical comedy. What we need is pure attitude era wrestling back. Biggest news is the Rock is returning on 1000, Stone Cold is expected, Brock Lesnar will be there, D-Generation X will be there. I have really high expectations and i hope WWE delivers it. It will be awesome to see all the legends back. Probably a new stage set is also expected

[James]

My Sky subscription ran out at the end of June. Considering there is no footy, I can stream cricket and WWE has gone über crap, looks like I'm both 30 quid up and not missing anything!

[Theo_14]

Hopefully there will be some improvement after RAW's 1000th episode. The creative team, Vince and WWE company know that ratings have been poor and they sure are taking steps to improve the situation.

They've signed a wicked high flyer from the british WWE ranks, he sure does have some moves - hopefully he will improve the cruiseweight section and allow the likes of Sin Cara etc to utilise themselves more.

WWE badly need the likes of Rey, Wade & Randy etc back - also soon we will see CM Punk's dark side - however right now, WWE needs more fueds, heel superstars.

[Amir]

they sure are taking steps to improve the situation.

What steps? They just had two non-important PPVs that could easily be used as a testing ground for new superstars. What did Vince do? He booked a main event with a non-wrestler and Cena. Those shows could have been built around Punk and Bryan so if they were ready, they could headline Summerslam. And if you didn't feel they could, you still had your Cena.

Instead, what we now have is WWE worried on how to make a good Summerslam. So much so, that they are panicing and going back to the same old Cena here is the title jig. Here is the crux of it. Cena is so over, he doesn't need the title to validate him anymore.

This isn't like the Bret Hart days when the title was everything (like it is in TNA). It has become more of a prop now in WWE. And I get that giving the title to Cena will legitimize it more because he is in the main event but then what happens after? They should have been legitimizing it now with Punk as the main event at OTL and NWO.

Instead we got a promo where Eve LITERALLY buried Punk, his title reign and the WWE title all in 60 seconds. I can only hope that this is some sort of opporotunity for Punk to do another one of his PROPER SELF-SCRIPTED pipebombs he did last year (but rather this time, ranting about being number 2 rather than not being rated at all).

[Rana]

Originally Posted by Amir What steps? They just had two non-important PPVs that could easily be used as a testing ground for new superstars. What did Vince do? He booked a main event with a non-wrestler and Cena. Those shows could have been built around Punk and Bryan so if they were ready, they could headline Summerslam. And if you didn't feel they could, you still had your Cena. Instead, what we now have is WWE worried on how to make a good Summerslam. So much so, that they are panicing and going back to the same old Cena here is the title jig. Here is the crux of it. Cena is so over, he doesn't need the title to validate him anymore. This isn't like the Bret Hart days when the title was everything (like it is in TNA). It has become more of a prop now in WWE. And I get that giving the title to Cena will legitimize it more because he is in the main event but then what happens after? They should have been legitimizing it now with Punk as the main event at OTL and NWO. Instead we got a promo where Eve LITERALLY buried Punk, his title reign and the WWE title all in 60 seconds. I can only hope that this is some sort of opporotunity for Punk to do another one of his PROPER SELF-SCRIPTED pipebombs he did last year (but rather this time, ranting about being number 2 rather than not being rated at all).

I personally think that WWE is heading the right way with Punk. He has charisma and mic skills. He is due his major push at the next wrestlemania. If rumours are true, then he will get that money match with Austin (I doubt it though).

The Problem is the Cena, Lesnar and Orton Factor. These three are superstars of one generation that can be the only main-eventers and make D Bryan, Punk, Sheamus and Jericho as the sub main card. The top 3 can bring back the gruesome era of wrestling, where the hard knocks fought. But creative just isnt good enough to catagorize the roster.

What they seriously need to do is secure the full services of Brock for at least another year and tee him off to the main pedigree one by one. No money Matches, hand him the title and unleash this monster heel with paul Heyman as his sidekick like good old days. Sooner rather than later, this roster will automatically be over fully with the crowed. What makes a wrestler go over with the crowed is essentially a heel that is easy to hate.

[Amir]

Rana, I don't think you get it. You can't put your belt on a guy who only wants to work limited dates. At least if the Rock won the WWE title, you would know he would be on Raw every week. Plus, Lesnar doesn't care about WWE or anyone in this business. He would be the worst person to build up. Plus he is unreliable - why waste your time giving him a run and building him up, only for him to leave? He has done it before.

Plus, he fans would hate it. Not hate it cause he is heel but essentially a slap in the face of Punk, Bryan, Ziggler or anyone else who works their butts off.

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by Amir Not anymore. TNA has got a lot better over the past few months. They finally got rid of Bischoff. For once, I respect Hogan - his role is perfect. He essentially lends his name for TNA to use but he has a very limited TV role. He just comes out, announces contenders and dips. Hogan has been doing wonders. Over past few months the focus has been on their own homegrown talent. Roode had been champion for over 300 days. Aries X division champion for 200 days. They bringing back credence to X division by annually giving WHC shot to X division champ at Destination X. Furthermore, they are giving a massive push to James Storm (though he is an HBK wannabe). AJ Styles, Kazarian, Daniels all involved in a major storyline. Abyss is becoming relevant again. And oddly, the only "WWE" guy getting somewhat of the spotlight is Bully Ray. Angle, Hardy, RVD, and Anderson are all currently in the mid-card and help get over the guys listed above. Sting too now has taken a backseat role. TNA has been doing great in 2012 and opposite of WWE in many respects.The focus of their show is the WHC, which it should be. They are not trying to shove the same guy down our throat every night and then say "others don't draw." Well of course they don't when you build the PPV around an old feud with little meaning (if you dont' get what I am hinting at - I am talking about Cena). TNA has learnt from many of WCW mistakes and part of that was getting rid of Bischoff, Russo, and Jarrett.

Interesting stuff.

I don't like Russo's 'Crash TV' - emphasis on 'entertainment'.

Its good that Hogan is in a backseat role but I just cannot stand the guy. Hogan hasn't moved on from the 1980s - he thinks he IS wrestling. He is an egomaniac. He put on this facade of being a good role model for children but was lying about his steroid use.

At Wrestlemania IX, Yokozuna would be victorious, but can't even keep the title for one day as he loses it to Hogan on the same night. Hogan actually threatened to leave WWF if he didn't get the title. Hogan is forced to drop the strap to Yokozuna and he then sulks and leaves WWF for 9 years.

However his awful babyface gimmick, and the 3 moves of doom got very stale in the 1990s - a different era where fans longed for anti-establishment figures like Austin.

In the 1992 Royal Rumble, when Sid threw Hogan out - there were audible cheers in the crowd - that was edited out, or partially edited out.

And even then, in Flair's finest moment (although I also think Flair should call it a day) - Hogan had to hog the limelight with the whole Sid angle.

Yes he put wrestling on the map, yes he was a huge draw but nowadays as he is dragging on his sorry career, just tarnishes his legacy further.

Thankfully he has a limited TV role now.

[Amir]

Yeah, thankfully they finally got rid of Russo. I avoided TNA when Russo was there and re-inserting himself into storylines. That was terrible.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like Hogan either. I don' tthink TNA is perfect (aka WTH does Brooke Hogan really do?) but credit where credit is due. TNA has been pretty good in 2012 because they are promoting their own talent.

[Amir]

Word for WM29 is that the three opponents for Taker are either Lesnar, Cena, or Rock. And that it is his choice as to who he wants to face. And most likely, for the two he does not choose – they would fight each other.

I am hoping it is Rock, we haven’t seen that in a while and he could legitimately seem like he could win. If not Rock, then Cena wouldn’t be bad either because he also possess the real possibility of ending the streak (he is SuperCena) and Brock would face Rock. Brock Taker I don’t want to see considering we know Brock will never be the one to end the streak and we get stuck with Rock vs Cena II.

[Rana]

I think its gonna be Brock.

[Rana]

Money in the Bank lads!

Prediction....

Cena wins his match

Bryan Wins with the help of AJ

[Ibad17]

Cena won the MITB match which was expected. Good to see Ziggler winning MITB too. Cena will cash it against Punk in SummerSlam.

[King_Rizzy]

Wow, what a surprise eh? Cena wins the MITB, how crap and boring. This is BS IMO. Sure, he's the face of the company, but come on man. He doesn't have to be on top of every single little thing, he doesn't need to be, he's got so much fan power behind him that if he loses cleanly here or there, nothing's going to happen to his reputation. I feel Jericho or Miz should've won that match. I'm also not a fan of Punk, but I feel the Punk vs Bryan match should've been the main event.

[PakFan2010]

[Rana]

Originally Posted by King_Rizzy Wow, what a surprise eh? Cena wins the MITB, how crap and boring. This is BS IMO. Sure, he's the face of the company, but come on man. He doesn't have to be on top of every single little thing, he doesn't need to be, he's got so much fan power behind him that if he loses cleanly here or there, nothing's going to happen to his reputation. I feel Jericho or Miz should've won that match. I'm also not a fan of Punk, but I feel the Punk vs Bryan match should've been the main event.

Punk and Bryan are carrying WWE at the moment. The crowed loves them and their fued is epic.

What an excellent promo delivered by the Miz, looks all Hollywood!

[King_Rizzy]

Rikishi! Rikishi! Rikishi! I loved Rikishi back then and I loved him tonight. Rikishi >>>>> Brodus Clay.

[Rana]

So CM Punk will now lose the belt next week. He will probably get a rematch at Summer slam

[Amir]

I first hated Big Shows run. Hell, I hate watching a BIg show match but I feel like he is the only voice for the true fans. This show is based around one guy. So much so that they just throw booking logic out the window. I mean why in the blue hell did the MitB be booked after the its title match? At that point we know that whoever won wouldn't cash it in. And at that point it confirmed Cena was to win for sure because God forbid, we end a PPV where Cena isn't a happy chappy. At least if they booked it before, maybe there was a chance for someone to cash it on Punk. In fact, what would have been cool is that after the Punk match - Cena comes out teasing a potential heel turn but in actuality just says I will face you at Raw 1000. That would be a way to end a PPV.

I was so excited when Ziggler's music hit after Sheamus match. Fans went nuts. But good he didn't do it yet, don't give him title before a big PPV like SS cause they will only make him lose it to someone else. Finally Del Rio is out of title pic, he was getting very boring.

At least next week is the "real" PPV. I feel MitB was nothing more than a glorified version of RAW, in other words - it really was not a PPV but a build up show to Raw 1000. They were suppose to come up with a big summer angle but looks like they got diddly squat because they trying to figure out how to piece Cena in it.

[Rana]

It has to be said the the first MITB match was an excellent show of skills by the guys and was very exciting.
Tyson Kidd, Cody Rhodes and Dough Ziggler really impressed.
For once, Tensai made the crowed go wild and showed us his true beast potential.
I was expecting Sin Cara to show some actrobats from the top of the ladder and more moves.
Christian is the only legendary ladder match specialist left in the buisness. Jeff Hardy, Edge, Matt were dearly missed.
Damien Sandown wasnt too bad either.

[Rana]

Originally Posted by Amir I first hated Big Shows run. Hell, I hate watching a BIg show match but I feel like he is the only voice for the true fans. This show is based around one guy. So much so that they just throw booking logic out the window. I mean why in the blue hell did the MitB be booked after the its title match? At that point we know that whoever won wouldn't cash it in. And at that point it confirmed Cena was to win for sure because God forbid, we end a PPV where Cena isn't a happy chappy. At least if they booked it before, maybe there was a chance for someone to cash it on Punk. In fact, what would have been cool is that after the Punk match - Cena comes out teasing a potential heel turn but in actuality just says I will face you at Raw 1000. That would be a way to end a PPV. I was so excited when Ziggler's music hit after Sheamus match. Fans went nuts. But good he didn't do it yet, don't give him title before a big PPV like SS cause they will only make him lose it to someone else. Finally Del Rio is out of title pic, he was getting very boring. At least next week is the "real" PPV. I feel MitB was nothing more than a glorified version of RAW, in other words - it really was not a PPV but a build up show to Raw 1000. They were suppose to come up with a big summer angle but looks like they got diddly squat because they trying to figure out how to piece Cena in it.

Cena seriously needs a change of gimmick. He is toooo lame.

Can we have a Darth Cena plaease! Change like Aniken Skywalker. Change the Attire, no more Khaki shorts and kiddy T-shirts. Can we get this guy to give us some class and sophistication like the Rock and Bret Hart please!!

[Amjid Javed]

Was watching SKY last night and they stumbled across the Rick flair v Rock wrestling match on raw many years ago! Have to say that was when WWE was actually worth watching!

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Was watching SKY last night and they stumbled across the Rick flair v Rock wrestling match on raw many years ago! Have to say that was when WWE was actually worth watching!

Yeah - although I think Flair has disgraced himself by going to TNA. He was given a great send-off in 2008, a final Wrestlemania match but then goes off to another promotion.

Apparently he has huge debts and has failed to pay taxes dating back years, so he needs the payoff. But its sad to see him regurgitating the same lines that got over in the 1980s, his promos sound incoherent and he looks completely senile.

I never saw what the attraction was anyway, his wrestling moveset was very limited, almost entirely consisting of knife-edge chops. His mic skills were tremendous but at the end of the day you get judged on wrestling ability, not just your gimmick and I think a lot of the old-timers in the IWC over-estimate Flair.

Flair has so many issues in his personal life, his gimmick, his wrestling character is actually him in real life. He's a complete wreck and now he's apparently looking for a WWE return but I hope he calls it a day so he stops tarnishing his legacy.

A rather eye-opening article on Flair - http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...tler-real-life

[Amir]

The reason why Flair is over-rated because in the era of roided up junkies (Hogan, Macho Man, etc.) - he not only survived, but competed with the best. And had many title reigns.

A lot of the older guys did not have a wide moveset. But man, could he deliver a promo. I won’t forget his promo, the night after Survivor Series (WWF vs. Alliance) – probably one of the most comedic moments of WWE. When he bounces off the ropes, and does the dance. Sometimes, I do that to my brother when making a point for jokes .

It is sad what has happened to him. His character is literally his personality. Runs up large tabs. Expects the company to pay. I think he actually believes he is a "stylin', profilin', limousine-riding, jet-flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin'-n'-dealin' son of a gun!" (Woo?).

[Amir]

John Cena also settled his divorced out of court...


for crying out loud, even his ex-wife jobs to him!

[Amir]

Ric Flair has been physically attacked by at least three of his four wives. In a 2005 divorce case with Elizabeth Harrell — wife no. 2 — Flair's lawyers detailed their accusations. "On more than one occasion," they wrote, "Plaintiff (Beth) has assaulted the Defendant (Flair), striking him about the head and body in an effort to provoke him into a physical confrontation." In 2009, Flair filed a criminal complaint against Tiffany Vandemark — wife no. 3 — whom he accused of "hitting him in the face with a phone charger." And in 2010, Flair and his current wife, Jacqueline Beams, returned to their Charlotte, N.C., home after dinner at the Lodge Restaurant. There, for reasons never made explicit, Jacqueline punched him repeatedly in the face. She was arrested.

It is probably because he sells it so well.

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by Amir The reason why Flair is over-rated because in the era of roided up junkies (Hogan, Macho Man, etc.) - he not only survived, but competed with the best. And had many title reigns. A lot of the older guys did not have a wide moveset. But man, could he deliver a promo. I won’t forget his promo, the night after Survivor Series (WWF vs. Alliance) – probably one of the most comedic moments of WWE. When he bounces off the ropes, and does the dance. Sometimes, I do that to my brother when making a point for jokes . It is sad what has happened to him. His character is literally his personality. Runs up large tabs. Expects the company to pay. I think he actually believes he is a "stylin', profilin', limousine-riding, jet-flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin'-n'-dealin' son of a gun!" (Woo?).

He may have had a limited moveset because of the back injury - if you look at when a suplex is delivered on him - he turns onto his side.

In the 90s, I felt like Flair was in the same boat as a lot of other guys from the 80s like Hogan, Savage, Piper and the other Horsemen. While he might still be able to go in the ring, it didn't really matter, because his presence on screen had become tired and old. In his run with the WWF, when they got him, it didn't feel like a big deal.

Again, guys like Hogan and Piper had become stale and were on their last legs and Flair didn't really freshen things up. By 1996, it was obvious that wrestling in general needed a new direction, and depending on Hulkamania and The Four Horsemen wasn't going to do it for WCW in the long run.

And in the mid-late 90s, we saw guys like Hogan and Sting completely reinvent themselves to fit into the new generation and actually help mould it. Flair just kept doing what he was doing in 1985. The only difference now was that he clearly wasn't a kid anymore, so he actually looked out of place at times.

His mic skills were tremendous, the random elbows onto the jacket, screaming at the fans to put him in a cage match with Triple H at Taboo Tuesday 2005 ('Put me in a cage, a cage, a cage, A CAGE !!') but towards the end - you could hardly make out what he was saying.

[James]

Ric Flair is/was well overrated.

Bret Hart, now there's a legend.

[Amir]

I felt Flair played a big role in helping Batista and Orton's development. Two of teh biggest stars in the past decade.

Other day to make a point, I elbowed my brothers passport. It was great. Woo!

[SAF]

haven't watched wwe in weeks..but I'm excited for Monday's raw..it has a mini wrestlemania feel to it..i just hope vince doesn't mess it up as always..

Rock returns (main reason why I'll watch)
Brock returns
Bret Hart returns
Dx reunites
Punk vs Cena? im not sure about this though..

would be nice if Austin showed up, i doubt it but still. Or Taker..

looks heavy on paper!

[Ibad17]

Till now some of the names are confirmed for RAW 1000.

The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Brock Lesner, Roddy Piper, Bret Hart, Undertaker and some suggest that Stone Cold will there as well.

[SAF]

the show begins an hour early.

A FULL Dx reunion is confirmed-it will open the show ( X Pac included, no Chyna)
A major summer angle will end the show
Steve Austin, Lita and Trish have been contacted to appear

Undertaker, Bret Hart, Rowdy Piper, Rikishi, Stephinie McMahon, The Rock and Brock are confirmed!! (nearly 30 former wrestlers are expected to show up) !!

No Randy Orton (suspended)

[Amjid Javed]

Should be a good Raw 1000th episode! hopefully a few rock bottoms and a few stunners will be seen on the show

[Ibad17]

Can't wait for Raw tonight.

[King_Rizzy]

I hope creative and Vince don't mess this up. This could be a huge Raw, not just for the one night, but for the future. I hope creative were on the ball whilst preparing for this show.

I reckon a match for WrestleMania will be made tonight.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by King_Rizzy I hope creative and Vince don't mess this up. This could be a huge Raw, not just for the one night, but for the future. I hope creative were on the ball whilst preparing for this show. I reckon a match for WrestleMania will be made tonight.

Would love to see Austin v Rock on more time at wrestlemania!

[Amir]

I won't lie, I am buying into the hype. Haven't been this excited probably since MitB 2011. You just don't know how they are going to play this one out (they need to remember there is more RAW's after this and they continue to advance storylines........and not go to the quick solution and just give Cena the belt).

Cena will win the built eventually, but am hoping they give Punk one clean win over him before they do....validating and solidifying his title run. At the same time, will make Cena look more credible when he does beat him.

[Theo_14]

I honestly can't wait. Counting down the hours with nothing but excitement.

Many reports claiming that a new major storyline will start on the special episode. Also, a group like Nexus may be introduced towards the end of the show which will play a major role in upcoming months.

Mark Henry is set to return - a big fan of him, since his heel turn... He truly has increased his popularity. Apparently, he has lost a stone! Glad to see he has recovered well from his serious injury.

Although I've been watching TNA lately, I sure won't give this a miss. Hopefully a new era has begun with the 3 hour show, and the steps taken to improve which I said in my previous post will be shown from now on. Hopefully.

[Rana]

Th only sad thing is that these stars are coming for one off, but i really hope their impact remains for the rest of time.

[Rana]

So far its been pretty boring apart from DX

[Rana]

The Rock will be the Champion at the Royal Rumble.

And that probably means that he will drop the belt at Wrestlemania 29

[Rana]

Brock and Triple H Segmant was sooo good!

[Ibad17]

It was a great RAW but the end really sucked. I wanted the match to get completed. CM Punk Heel Turn.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Rana The Rock will be the Champion at the Royal Rumble. And that probably means that he will drop the belt at Wrestlemania 29

Which probably means Cena is to win Royal Rumble (though if they smart, they let Taker win and set up a Taker Rock main event).

Don't know how I feel about this RAW. It was better than other Raws for obvious reasons but for having a PPV feel and literally using MitB to build towards this, it wasn't anywhere near PPV quality. They tried so hard to put everything in like dumb Brodus Clay.

No Austin? The man that made RAW? They need to explain this.

And then the CM Punk heel turn. Don't agree with it. This is a new era. new raw. This would have and should have been the time to make Cena heel. I wouldn't mind even if he won the belt and did it, keep him as Champ long as possible and then get Punk to win it shortly before RR so he faces Rock. Instead, they went with an old formula. Punk finally had the crowd on his side but they buried him. Made him look weak after months of teasing how he was on the undercard.

They validated why he is second to Cena when they need to be building stars equal to Cena. They took the easy way out to make someone heel and now from being a fighting champion, Punk looks like a cowardly champion. Makes no sense.

Though the GTS to Rock was pretty awesome.

[Love Pakistan]

I like Punk heel turn but Cena heel turn would have been better.

Another disappointment was Triple H over powering Brock Lesnar when it should have been the opposite.

Lastly, where oh where was the RATTLE SNAKE, AUSTIN 3:16.

[Amjid Javed]

Cena heel turn would have been way better, sadly its almost like it was the case with Austin the WWE are reluctant to do it.

[asifp]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Cena heel turn would have been way better, sadly its almost like it was the case with Austin the WWE are reluctant to do it.

But Austin did turn heel when he joined Vince McMahon. One of the biggest shockers ever for WWE.

Lets see how this heel turn works out, cause heel turns can really help stars, it worked for Orton, Batista, Rock.

WWE should have Cena as heel, he would generate way way more heat than anybody else, and once he turns face again he might actually have more people on his side. At the moment old school wrestling fans hate his good two shows, holier than holy attitude.

[Amjid Javed]

The rock heel turn was really good. The corporate champion and the screw job at survivor series on mick foley was very good story line!

I dont think anyone saw that coming.

[Amir]

I loved the Rock's heel turn.

If Cena went heel, I would def become his fan. He is stale, they need to freshen up his character. I feel they are holding back because of Linda's senate run and having to paint WWE in a such a light. The sooner she loses, better for everyone.

[SAF]

Raw was GREAT (apart from the wedding, and foley dance)

but it wasnt complete without Austin.

Cena heel turn wouldve been better tho. But im fine with Punk turning heel caz it suits him better.

Rock vs Punk/Brock at Rumble?
Cena wins royal rumble match to face Rock at mania?

so many possibilites..

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Amir Which probably means Cena is to win Royal Rumble (though if they smart, they let Taker win and set up a Taker Rock main event). Don't know how I feel about this RAW. It was better than other Raws for obvious reasons but for having a PPV feel and literally using MitB to build towards this, it wasn't anywhere near PPV quality. They tried so hard to put everything in like dumb Brodus Clay. No Austin? The man that made RAW? They need to explain this. And then the CM Punk heel turn. Don't agree with it. This is a new era. new raw. This would have and should have been the time to make Cena heel. I wouldn't mind even if he won the belt and did it, keep him as Champ long as possible and then get Punk to win it shortly before RR so he faces Rock. Instead, they went with an old formula. Punk finally had the crowd on his side but they buried him. Made him look weak after months of teasing how he was on the undercard. They validated why he is second to Cena when they need to be building stars equal to Cena. They took the easy way out to make someone heel and now from being a fighting champion, Punk looks like a cowardly champion. Makes no sense. Though the GTS to Rock was pretty awesome.

Taker Rock would be great but dont see it happening at Mania (its more like a Sslam match)..Vince will yet again buiild Mania around Rock and he needs an opponent that brings in the money and audience.(Brock/Cena/Punk)

[King_Rizzy]

Honestly, I feel a bit disappointed. I think the show was good, but the amount of hype that was put in it, the show didn't live up to it.

[Rana]

Ive got to admit, that Brock Lesnar entrance was pretty cool, and his movement is very good in the ring.

HHH v Brock looks bigger than the Rock and Cena

[Rana]

The Rock made it feel as if he was finally home, he looked like one of those in the Roster. Hope he comes back soon

[Markhor]

Austin apparently had knee surgery so couldn't make it.

RAW 1000 was rather underwhelming - Stephanie McMahon beating up Paul Heyman ? Come on. Punk turning heel would not have been as shocking as a Cena heel turn. Great to see the Undertaker back and the DX reunion.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Rana The Rock made it feel as if he was finally home, he looked like one of those in the Roster. Hope he comes back soon

He looked so much fitter than Wrestlemania. And then when he spinebustered Big Show...I hadn't seen him that intense in a long time...

[Bilal7]

Raw was pretty good. I don't really want to see another Punk as a heel vs Cena as a face feud, hopefully Rocky can be available for the next couple of Raw episodes to keep things fresh.
The Heyman and HHH segment was good and Bock making an appearance was needed.

That Damien Sandow guy can become a great heel if he used properly, first time I'm seeing him on RAW, hopefully he gets more screen time.

[pakistanalltheway]

What's a heel ?