Asad Shafiq or Umar Akmal or Azhar Ali?

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by VTEC Ur argument is all over the place NewZealand is not a Top Ranked Test Team and reasons are obvious When batsmen like these can score ODI Centuries against u u know ur bad And ur still stuck on England and West Indies? One was a Debut Series for Azhar while in WI they both averaged extremely close But ur not the least bit moved by 2x Fifties vs 7x Fifties? Or the fact that Azhar Ali can occupy the crease for much longer durations than Umar Akmal who is bound to have a brain fart? Average of 80 vs SouthAfrica means nothing Century vs SL means nothing But performance vs West Indies is the stuff of Legends What Logic is this? o_O

not many series they have played together .....because england and windies show that there is no head and shoulders difference...

azhar has blossomed after his 16th match..... he took 16 matches to score a hundred against a weak bowling link...who is better bond,vettori,o'brien in newzealand or pradeep ,herath in UAE......and umar has not played after his 16th match....

umar did not play against south africa nor against srilanka...

and about fifties there is never a single criteria or reason...there are always more than one reasons...


you can see there is not much difference in umar and azhar;s career averages after windies tour....comparison based on every thing ,which happens after that will be harsh....

but yes azhar is better because of his temperament and shot selection..

technique and talent wise umar is better but azhar overcomes his limitations with hardwork,application and temperament...temperament comes with time ....

[VTEC]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya not many series they have played together .....because england and windies show that there is no head and shoulders difference... umar did not play against south africa nor against srilanka... and about fifties there is never a single criteria or reason...there are always more than one reasons... you can see there is not much difference in umar and azhar;s career averages after windies tour....comparison based on every thing ,which happens after that will be harsh.... but yes azhar is better because of his temperament and shot selection.. technique and talent wise umar is better but azhar overcomes his limitations with hardwork,application and temperament...temperament comes with time ....

The only thing Umar Akmal achieved in Test Cricket is a freakish performance on Debut

First 6 Innings
1x Century 3x Fifties

Last 22 Innings
2x Fifties
Height of Mediocrity

Azhar Ali was not "Wonder Boy" from the Start
He showed signs of Greatness and has improved with Each Passing Test Series

Umar Akmal has simply gone down hill

azhar has blossomed after his 16th match..... he took 16 matches to score a hundred against a weak bowling link...who is better bond,vettori,o'brien in newzealand or pradeep ,herath in UAE......and umar has not played after his 16th match....

NewZealand =/= Top 5 Test Teams

Umar Akmal does not have a Single Test Century vs Top Ranked Test Team

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya not many series they have played together .....because england and windies show that there is no head and shoulders difference... azhar has blossomed after his 16th match..... he took 16 matches to score a hundred against a weak bowling link...who is better bond,vettori,o'brien in newzealand or pradeep ,herath in UAE......and umar has not played after his 16th match.... umar did not play against south africa nor against srilanka... and about fifties there is never a single criteria or reason...there are always more than one reasons... you can see there is not much difference in umar and azhar;s career averages after windies tour....comparison based on every thing ,which happens after that will be harsh.... but yes azhar is better because of his temperament and shot selection.. technique and talent wise umar is better but azhar overcomes his limitations with hardwork,application and temperament...temperament comes with time ....

I believe you! Yes Umar is the greatest batsman in the world.
Happy? Now quite whining with lame logics..

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by VTEC The only thing Umar Akmal achieved in Test Cricket is a freakish performance on Debut First 6 Innings 1x Century 3x Fifties Last 22 Innings 2x Fifties Height of Mediocrity Azhar Ali was not "Wonder Boy" from the Start He showed signs of Greatness and has improved with Each Passing Test Series Umar Akmal has simply gone down hill NewZealand =/= Top 5 Test Teams Umar Akmal does not have a Single Test Century vs Top Ranked Test Team

what you do want me to accept ....in my every post i said azhar is better....i already said that journey towards greatness started after 16 tests......little patience was needed with akmal too.. now let me say that umar is as with respect to azhar, as is waqar younis with respect to tendulkar.......be happy

[VTEC]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya what you do want me to accept ....in my every post i said azhar is better....i already said that journey towards greatness started after 16 tests......little patience was needed with akmal too.. now let me say that umar is as with respect to azhar, as is waqar younis with respect to tendulkar.......be happy

U dont have to accept anything

Ur posts however are constantly degrading Azhar Ali's achievements

Performance vs SA + ENG + SL >>>>>>>>>>>>> NZ
regardless of Condtions

[speed]

haris sohail is better than all of them

[Akmal Dynasty]

^Yeah the guy who looked clueless and got stumped twice during the practice matches in lahore.

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by VTEC U dont have to accept anything Ur posts however are constantly degrading Azhar Ali's achievements Performance vs SA + ENG + SL >>>>>>>>>>>>> NZ regardless of Condtions

thats why i said azhar is better....

and he did not play in any of these series.....and in which both played akmal averaged better.....still i agree azhar is better ..

the game is still on...early to say head and shoulders above...

[NkA]

azhar ali> asad shafiq> umar akmal

[Akmal Dynasty]

^in Test only azhar is better.

ODI/t20 no one comes close to umar akmal.

[Akmal Dynasty]

Asad's test tomorrow.

PAK needs quick runs on the score board lets see whether he plays for himself or for his team.

[Sherlock]

Azhar has recently out performed Akmal in the ODI series with SL.

To say no one can get close to Akmal is probably just what your restraining order states.

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by Akmal Dynasty ODI/t20 no one comes close to umar akmal.

Not even Kohli?

[Akmal Dynasty]

Originally Posted by truthseer Not even Kohli?

Kohli plays for Pakistan?

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by Akmal Dynasty Kohli plays for Pakistan?

You didn't say Pakistan, you said no one came close to Akmal

[Akmal Dynasty]

Originally Posted by truthseer You didn't say Pakistan, you said no one came close to Akmal

This thread is about umar , asad and azhar.

Read it carefully.

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by Akmal Dynasty This thread is about umar , asad and azhar. Read it carefully.

Yes, because one uses the words 'no one' when comparing to two other players.

[Akmal Dynasty]

Why bringing kohli in this thread.Kohli is better than him but when it comes to PAK ODI/t20 side no one comes close to umar.

[Zaz]

If i was given the one choice out of three, then id pick azhar by a mile

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by Akmal Dynasty Why bringing kohli in this thread.Kohli is better than him but when it comes to PAK ODI/t20 side no one comes close to umar.

Remember when Azhar score some 80 odd runs against Sirilanka? What happened to Umar in that match? Such an amaaaaaaaaaaaaazing batsman bottled when it mattered the most eh?

[Legend Killer]

I rate Azhar ALi the highest among the three. however Asad is the only one out of them that can fit into all three formats.

[Faisalabad]

gotta say Azhar Ali is absolute pleasure to watch in tests and getting better game by game in ODIs... future captain for tests i'd say.

sadly Umar looks like will never learn and play to his potential..

[leatherface58]

Azhar ali is class in tests and he has shown capability to play well in odis as well. scored a quick 80 odd without ugly slogs

he can adapt to t20 as well if given the chance. he could be the accumulator that malik and others are supposed to be.

he and shafiq are two exciting prospects for pakistan. umar akmal is doing decent in odis and t20s. but in tests, he has to work harder to get in.

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya ^ hmmm welcome to my best friend....... ..i never said umar is batter than azhar ..... yahya and co were crying for the injustice done to faisal iqbal ..he was criticizing mohsin for iqbal's ouster after aussie tour in bkbh.... .crying for iqbal who averages 27 in 26 tests i only said not head and shoulders above.... you can see batting averages of both after the windies series there is not much difference there.... i said real comparison will start when both would have played good number of matches...though azhar is clearly better than shafiq and akmal in tests....but he has also played more games.... and if you are complaining for akmal and shafiq comparison in odi's it is completely a different story...

You are no different than other Akmal fans. There are so many excuses to why Umer Bradman is not performing like batting positions, age, match situations, no of matches blah blah blah.. Fact of the matter is he is getting free rides in ODI and T20 games for sometime now just because of the hype. Tests is for mature players and obviously has no place for his brain farts. He is no better batsman than Afridi at this point of the career. Asad and Azhar deserved to be in the Tests and ODI sides because they put a price on their wickets.

And yes Faisal is still better choice than Umer for tests.

[waqar goraya]

^
not excuses but the realities ....

i just can not agree with you more.......a batsman with average of 39 with 84 s/r is getting free ride
..
a batsman who is ranked above any other in rankings is not performing and is getting free ride...

yes i agree number 6 is a good batting position for a young batsman who is still in process of learning....
yes age of 22 is too old...

yes he is not better than afridi who averages 23 in comparison to 39....

yes 31 year old iqbal who averages 26 in 26 tests and 40 in first class is better than 22 year old who averages 35 in tests and 47 in first class cricket

yes i have not seen a person with more balanced and true thoughts than you....

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya ^ not excuses but the realities .... i just can not agree with you more.......a batsman with average of 39 with 84 s/r is getting free ride .. a batsman who is ranked above any other in rankings is not performing and is getting free ride... yes i agree number 6 is a good batting position for a young batsman who is still in process of learning.... yes age of 22 is too old... yes he is not better than afridi who averages 23 in comparison to 39.... yes 31 year old iqbal who averages 26 in 26 tests and 40 in first class is better than 22 year old who averages 35 in tests and 47 in first class cricket yes i have not seen a person with more balanced and true thoughts than you....

Reality is he is another slogger and not a bradman. Age is lame excuse. He is playing international cricket for more than 4 years now. Him and Kohli started playing cricket at the same time and ppl with common sense know who have improved professionally. Asad/Azhar would have established themselves far better if was given the same assurance of their place in the ODI side. But then its pointless to discuss with Akmal fans because they always change the goal posts to defend him.

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by Thees_Mar_Khan Reality is he is another slogger and not a bradman. Age is lame excuse. He is playing international cricket for more than 4 years now. Him and Kohli started playing cricket at the same time and ppl with common sense know who have improved professionally. Asad/Azhar would have established themselves far better if was given the same assurance of their place in the ODI side. But then its pointless to discuss with Akmal fans because they always change the goal posts to defend him.

and here comes from nowhere kohli.......
in slog overs slogging is the only thing expected...
yes kohli is better....and kohli has been given every opportunity to establish as a batsman...a successor of tendulkar,dravid legacy...umar has been given every chance to destroy his game by batting in slog overs or by having fun in hong kong...
what has asad done in 30 odd odi's he has played...a mediocre average with pathetic strike rate...
and they compare him with one of the best in the world and treat him as one of the worst in the world....youngsters are treated like chandimal or kohli......players like mahela do not care for themselves but for the future of their team....
but then it is useless to discuss with akmal haters who do not have any thing in this country but kohli as their defense..p

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya and here comes from nowhere kohli....... in slog overs slogging is the only thing expected... yes kohli is better....and kohli has been given every opportunity to establish as a batsman...a successor of tendulkar,dravid legacy...umar has been given every chance to destroy his game by batting in slog overs or by having fun in hong kong... what has asad done in 30 odd odi's he has played...a mediocre average with pathetic strike rate... and they compare him with one of the best in the world and treat him as one of the worst in the world....youngsters are treated like chandimal or kohli......players like mahela do not care for themselves but for the future of their team.... but then it is useless to discuss with akmal haters who do not have any thing in this country but kohli as their defense..p

Brought Kohli in discussion to counter your lame age excuse. Doesn't matter which position bradman bats, end result is a brain fart. Asad plays according to the situation and with common sense, thats why he is head and shoulder above bradman professionally.

P.S. Why your every post is edited Are struggling to come up with a logic.

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[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by Thees_Mar_Khan Brought Kohli in discussion to counter your lame age excuse. Doesn't matter which position bradman bats, end result is a brain fart. Asad plays according to the situation and with common sense, thats why he is head and shoulder above bradman professionally. P.S. Why your every post is edited Are struggling to come up with a logic. .

Asad plays according to the situation? Your acting as if he averages 50+ in test cricket and has 20 tons to his name. He's an average batsman averaging mid 30's. He's nothing special. 1 ton against Bangladesh on a flat wicket.

[Sherlock]

Give me a batsmen that bats to the situation than a batsmen that doesn't.

I'd take Asad all day.

[pakistanalltheway]

once umar grows a brain he will be the best batsmen in the team

[Looney]

Originally Posted by pakistanalltheway once umar grows a brain he will be the best batsmen in the team

He is trying

[Afridirocks]

Test: Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq

ODI: Umar Akmal by far

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by pakistanalltheway once umar grows a brain he will be the best batsmen in the team

lol thats not gonna happen, Its been 4 years and he seems to be getting worse day by day!

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by Thees_Mar_Khan Brought Kohli in discussion to counter your lame age excuse. Doesn't matter which position bradman bats, end result is a brain fart. Asad plays according to the situation and with common sense, thats why he is head and shoulder above bradman professionally. P.S. Why your every post is edited Are struggling to come up with a logic. .

and i told you what kohli gets and what akmal gets from management and senior players....kohli plays for india and akmal for pakistan...standards are not the same....
asad does not has ability to play according to situation.....can you remind me a single inning of situational play????
but i remind you his selfish inning of 24 off 96 balls against srilanka when pakistan were about to declare and he played one of the best selfish inning seen during recent times.....was his poor inning in the world cup a commonsense??he played a poor shot in world cup final too...and he was again showing us common sense when he ran himself out at 2 off 12 balls again when pakistan were looking to accelerate....these are some of the examples of his situational and common sense play..asad is knee and foot below from akmal in limited over cricket..
but you can only come up with smilies in your logics...

[Akmal Dynasty]

The poll results are catching up slowly.

[VTEC]

Originally Posted by Akmal Dynasty The poll results are catching up slowly.

Yes it seems Azhar Ali is about to over take Umar Akmal

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by VTEC Yes it seems Azhar Ali is about to over take Umar Akmal

i think it is because of our knee jerk behavior ...

poll was started after asad's 80 and azhar's failure so asad got maximum votes...and azhar did not get any..
and here azhar gets runs and gets ahead by a mile...

[mastermind_quad]

In ODI/T20 U Akmal is much better then both Asad and Azhar.

I don't buy the argument of playing him at low positions.
But still UA is better then these two in LO cricket.

And in test its temperament issue. So include him there only when he shows some maturity.

[mastermind_quad]

And for voting I'll choose Asad. As right now he is the only one looking good in all three format.

[JibranAnsari]

Umar will be ultimate winner when you see this thread after 2 years .. come on akmal haters bash him.

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by mastermind_quad And for voting I'll choose Asad. As right now he is the only one looking good in all three format.

Thanks for your unbaised opinion. This should end the debate unless you are a blind Bradman fan

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya and i told you what kohli gets and what akmal gets from management and senior players....kohli plays for india and akmal for pakistan...standards are not the same.... asad does not has ability to play according to situation.....can you remind me a single inning of situational play???? but i remind you his selfish inning of 24 off 96 balls against srilanka when pakistan were about to declare and he played one of the best selfish inning seen during recent times.....was his poor inning in the world cup a commonsense??he played a poor shot in world cup final too...and he was again showing us common sense when he ran himself out at 2 off 12 balls again when pakistan were looking to accelerate....these are some of the examples of his situational and common sense play..asad is knee and foot below from akmal in limited over cricket.. but you can only come up with smilies in your logics...

If it takes to become a professional cricketer, I'll let Umar Bradman play 10 selfish innings. The problem is his brain farts don't even allow him to do that. What an irony

[Bullet Drive]

Poll was made at a very wrong time. A time when Umar has finished cricket for a bit. A time when Asad comes off an 80 and where Azhar has totally failed.

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Poll was made at a very wrong time. A time when Umar has finished cricket for a bit. A time when Asad comes off an 80 and where Azhar has totally failed.

Now blame the poll timing - another excuse added to defend Modern era Bradman

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by Thees_Mar_Khan Now blame the poll timing - another excuse added to defend Modern era Bradman

These excuses just keep on coming dont they

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by Thees_Mar_Khan If it takes to become a professional cricketer, I'll let Umar Bradman play 10 selfish innings. The problem is his brain farts don't even allow him to do that. What an irony

to hell with a sane professional who can not play with common sense...
and despite of the selfishness and so called professionalism does not averages more than akmal in any of the format as an international or domestic player....
if such a player is professional then there has to be some thing wrong with your definition of professionalism

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya to hell with a sane professional who can not play with common sense... and despite of the selfishness and so called professionalism does not averages more than akmal in any of the format as an international or domestic player.... if such a player is professional then there has to be some thing wrong with your definition of professionalism

Akmal fans talking abt common sense

The poll above clearly shows who is master and who is the punter

[waqar goraya]

Originally Posted by Thees_Mar_Khan Akmal fans talking abt common sense The poll above clearly shows who is master and who is the punter

yeah poll is the only thing you were left with in this world that supports your point....
it is just a knee jerk response from our emotional fans...
it will continue to fluctuate after each one of them plays a good inning....asad scores 80 and gets majority votes....then azhar gets 157 and every single vote is reserved for him....

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Originally Posted by waqar goraya yeah poll is the only thing you were left with in this world that supports your point.... it is just a knee jerk response from our emotional fans... it will continue to fluctuate after each one of them plays a good inning....asad scores 80 and gets majority votes....then azhar gets 157 and every single vote is reserved for him....

So you are not an emotional fan of Akmal, right? Man you are fun trolling

[I Believe in the Teesra]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Poll was made at a very wrong time. A time when Umar has finished cricket for a bit. A time when Asad comes off an 80 and where Azhar has totally failed.

Bumped now when both players scored above 50

[farazaidi]

no need to force anyone of them in all 3 formats. Azhar and Asad are well settled in test and ODI team for now and so is Umar in ODI and T20 team.

Why do have have to force Asad in T20 or Umar in Tests? why cant we continue with the way it is?

[Gotham Cronie]

I had originally voted for Asad Shafiq I believe but I'm leaning towards Umar Akmal now.

[pakistanigoneaussie]

im gonna break the rules and say : Nasir Jamshed

[Looney]

If 2 people did not vote for Azhar Ali , the poll would look really cool .

[musama]

i do not know what the fuss is about all of these are our future assets, and permanent team members in 2015 test team ...!
i bet you must take akmal to SA tour on bouncy tracks he will be effective more than our main regular batsmen to attack SA bowlers otherwise tehy will keep coming at you ....!

[musama]

i wonder if Clarke would have been our captain he would have opted for Ahmed shahzad as opener.

[Rouf Dar J&K]

as far as all three formats r concerned, Umar Akmal is the obvious choice. he has shown glimpses of greatness since debut but i think support from everyone particularly the board is utmost important. u need to back your talent rather than be fed up of it n expel it.

Asad is perfect for tests n odis not T20s. he is among the future great.

Ali is perfect for tests. believe me if v thrust him into limited overs his technique n temperament will change and decline probably.

these three if persisted with alongwith nasir,believe believe n believe me with cent % surety, Pakistan will have one of the strongest batting line-ups by 2015.

[JibranAnsari]

All three have limitations ..asad only for tests .. azhar for tests and odis ..akmal for ODIs and T20s. None is perfect for all three formats.

[Rouf Dar J&K]

as far as all three formats r concerned, Umar Akmal is the obvious choice. he has shown glimpses of greatness since debut but i think support from everyone particularly the board is utmost important. u need to back your talent rather than be fed up of it n expel it.

Asad is perfect for tests n odis not T20s. he is among the future great.

Ali is perfect for tests. believe me if v thrust him into limited overs his technique n temperament will change and decline probably.

these three if persisted with alongwith nasir,believe believe n believe me with cent % surety, Pakistan will have one of the strongest batting line-ups by 2015.

[JibranAnsari]

Umar akmal needs to learn a lot from kohli .. kohli also has all the shots in the book but todays innings was the show to how to have patience to make your talent count.

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Originally Posted by musama cant belive how people forget what they were saying when he scored thirty odd runs when pakistan was required to get some quick runs against SL and the match ended up in a draw...

now people are desparate to kick shafiq out of tests

[hur rizvi]

Originally Posted by cricketworm All 3 in tests Umar and Asad in ODIs Umar in T20s.

Completely agree

Azhar not good enuff to play odis with S/R of 65 when he plays odis he forgets he's playing in 2012. our ODI team cant withstand players like misbah,shafiq ,younis and azhar in same line up ....

[hur rizvi]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Umar akmal needs to learn a lot from kohli .. kohli also has all the shots in the book but todays innings was the show to how to have patience to make your talent count.

Umar needs to be given consistent run in tests so far ithink umar akmal has batted decently in tests. he needs to be in the team

[Pakprideuk]

Originally Posted by hur rizvi Completely agree Azhar not good enuff to play odis with S/R of 65 when he plays odis he forgets he's playing in 2012. our ODI team cant withstand players like misbah,shafiq ,younis and azhar in same line up ....

Its laughable how some people think. Do you just naturally hate some players or what? Its clear that without Azhar Ali our ODI team would have been completely embarassed in Sri Lanka, he carried the bat through the innings, was voted the batsmen of the series, yet he's not fit to play ODIs in 2012. What is playing ODIs in 2012? making 25 (26) and getting out? Or scoring 12 (8) and getting out? Yet if someone averages 49 and anchors the innings, hes not fit for ODIs.

The hate is soo evident by some people, what you people forget is that all these are Pakistanis, and it is only in Pakistans interest to play the best batsmen not your favourite batsmen.

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Im more than happy when a player has a strike rate of around 70 but as long as he scores , azhar Ali does, shafiq doesn't

[Bullet Drive]

I'd have Azhar ahead of Shafiq in ODI's.

[hur rizvi]

Originally Posted by Pakprideuk Its laughable how some people think. Do you just naturally hate some players or what? Its clear that without Azhar Ali our ODI team would have been completely embarassed in Sri Lanka, he carried the bat through the innings, was voted the batsmen of the series, yet he's not fit to play ODIs in 2012. What is playing ODIs in 2012? making 25 (26) and getting out? Or scoring 12 (8) and getting out? Yet if someone averages 49 and anchors the innings, hes not fit for ODIs. The hate is soo evident by some people, what you people forget is that all these are Pakistanis, and it is only in Pakistans interest to play the best batsmen not your favourite batsmen.

If azhar has to play then we shud drop atleast two of misbah, shafiq and younis....

Azhar's S/R is not acceptable when we have three other batsman in our team batting at less than 70

[hur rizvi]

Practically speaking S/R of less than 70 is not acceptable specially if you dont have ability to accelerate in later part of innings...

In our odi team hafeez bats at less than 70
azhar bats at less than 70
younis also bats at less than 70 these days
Misbah bats at less than 70
Shafiq bats less than 70..

If 5 of your top 6 bat at less than 70/innings S/R then your team wont score more than 250 in most matches and wont be able to chase anything in excess of 220-230 against decent attacks ....

to stabilize our team we have to drop atleast 2 off above stated 5....

my choice: younis and azhar....

shafiq has more shots compared to azhar and has more potential to be a complete batsman

[srh]

all 3 players for all 3 formats (Test, ODI, T20).

T20
Azhar at #2. Asad at #3. Umar Akmal at #4.

ODI
Azhar at #2. Asad at #3. Umar Akmal at #4.

Test
Azhar at #3. Asad at #5. Umar Akmal at #6.

[Madplayer]

Originally Posted by srh all 3 players for all 3 formats (Test, ODI, T20). T20 Azhar at #2. Asad at #3. Umar Akmal at #4. ODI Azhar at #2. Asad at #3. Umar Akmal at #4. Test Azhar at #3. Asad at #5. Umar Akmal at #6.

Hahaha good joke mate. Jhonny lever would be proud.

[Bashira_taeli]

Statistical comparison of the three batsmen

[Bashira_taeli]

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[hur rizvi]

Originally Posted by Bashira_taeli Statistical comparison of the three batsmen

Umars test record isnt bad considering he has played only one test in Asia.......

Its not fair to drop him he should be in the squad for S.A

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by hur rizvi Umars test record isnt bad considering he has played only one test in Asia....... Its not fair to drop him he should be in the squad for S.A

One innings against SA.

[srh]

Originally Posted by Madplayer Hahaha good joke mate. Jhonny lever would be proud.

It was not a joke.

* T20 is pyjama cricket so dont really need to care too much about it. Both Azhar and Asad will improve their strike rate by playing T20s which will help them becoming even better in real cricket i.e., tests. Umar Akmal is a must in T20s.

* Both Azhar and Asad are good enough for ODIs. Umar Akmal is a must in ODIs.

* Both Azhar and Asad are must in Tests. Umar Akmal should also get a chance in tests when Misbah retires.

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Sigh I can't believe how people still cling to shafiq in Odis

[HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR]

Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie Sigh I can't believe how people still cling to shafiq in Odis

you cant force to change each and every one's point of view just like some people support kamran akmal in ODIs and umar akmal in tests

people will keep supporting what they think is right

majority of people were even in support of asad's taken out from test team and replaced with umar akmal

people keep supporting the complete rubbish like kamran akmal, shoaib malik, who keep failing one match after another and are liability

[blackanhyellow]

Originally Posted by srh Asad Shafiq is a pretty good support player. Umar Akmal is a pretty good match winner. In NBA terms taking Miami Heats as an example: Asad Shafiq - Chris Bosh. Umar Akmal - Lebron James. Both need each other. But if you want to build a team around a person you will always choose Lebron James over Chris Bosh.

Lebron is one of the top three players in nba (kobe, lebron, dwayne wade) and akmal is not even the best player in his team. No comparison really. But definitely rate Akmal higher than shafiq for ODIs and t20s. SHafiq is better for tests. Also I think Azhar Ali can be better than Akmal in ODIs he has better temperament, just needs to develop some shots just like akmal needs to develop temperament, so we shall see who does it first.

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Bump!