One killed in Quran protests near Quetta

[Naraku]

QUETTA: A mob attacked a police station in Pakistan on Saturday demanding a man detained for allegedly desecrating the Quran be handed over, leaving one person dead and 19 with gunshot wounds.

Violence erupted after police arrested a “mentally retarded” man said to have burnt pages of the holy book in Kuchlak, about 16 kilometres north of Quetta, the capital of Balochistan province, senior administration official Qambar Dashti told AFP.

“Angry protesters, mostly Afghan refugees, torched several vehicles and pelted police with stones,” Dashti said.

“Chanting the man should be killed for blasphemy, they later entered the police station and started firing,” he said, adding that a senior police officer narrowly escaped while his police guard was wounded in the shooting.

Police fired tear gas shells and opened fire in self defence, Quetta police chief Qazi Wajid said.

The clash left one protester dead and 19 people wounded including eight policemen, he said. “All the wounded people have bullet injuries,” he added.

The protesters said the man deserved death for blasphemy and demanded police hand him over to them, he said.

“The man appeared to be mentally retarded, we have taken him into custody and ordered an investigation,” Wajid said, adding that control had been restored.

Pakistan’s anti-blasphemy laws make defaming Islam or the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), or desecrating the Quran, punishable by death.

Former Punjab governor Salman Taseer was shot dead in January last year by one of his police bodyguards for opposing the blasphemy law.


http://dawn.com/2012/06/16/one-kille...tta-officials/

[kingusama92]

Seriously?

He's "mentally retarded" and they wanted to kill him? He was obviously not burning the pages under complete free will.

[Naraku]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Seriously? He's "mentally retarded" and they wanted to kill him? He was obviously not burning the pages under complete free will.

is it OK to kill him if he is not mentally retarded or burning pages out of free will?

[Dolphins]

Lack of proper education has led Pakistanis to be extremists and intolerant.

[Naraku]

can anyone please answer the question from Post # 3 >>>

is it OK to kill him if he is not mentally retarded or burning pages out of free will?

[eradicator]

Its not justified to kill him even if he is mentally stable and burnt Quran in right frame of mind . He however should be booked for hurting religious sentiments in public and given mild sentence .

You dont want people burning each other's religious texts in public view and get away with it under guise of freedom .

[tanzeel]

Originally Posted by Naraku can anyone please answer the question from Post # 3 >>> is it OK to kill him if he is not mentally retarded or burning pages out of free will?

No it is not. Not according to common sense and not even according to Islam. There was a big debate over it here last year(or earlier this year, I'm not sure) and it was conclusively proven that the laws of Islam don't allow you to kill someone for blasphemy.

[Naraku]

Desecrating a copy of the Quran is punishable by imprisonment in some countries (life imprisonment in Pakistan, according to Article 295-B of the Penal Code) and has been punishable by death in Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration


why is a human life worth less?

[insaan]

Originally Posted by eradicator Its not justified to kill him even if he is mentally stable and burnt Quran in right frame of mind . He however should be booked for hurting religious sentiments in public and given mild sentence . You dont want people burning each other's religious texts in public view and get away with it under guise of freedom .

Agree with this POV. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to offend religious sentiments. I support some sort of punishment to act as a deterrent, but not life imprisonment and definitely not death.

[Naraku]

the Molvi at 0:30 seems to have got it all wrong

[Naraku]

Several sections of Pakistan's Criminal Code comprise its blasphemy laws.

§ 295 forbids damaging or defiling a place of worship or a sacred object. § 295-A forbids outraging religious feelings. § 295-B forbids defiling the Quran. § 295-C forbids defaming the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Except for § 295-C, the provisions of § 295 require that an offence be a consequence of the accused's intent.

Defiling the Quran merits imprisonment for life. Defaming Muhammad merits death with or without a fine. If a charge is laid under § 295-C, the trial must take place in a Court of Session with a Muslim judge presiding.

§ 298-A prohibits the use of any derogatory remark or representation in respect of Muslim holy personages. § 298-B and § 298-C prohibit the Ahmadiyya from behaving as Muslims behave, calling themselves Muslims, proselytising, or "in any manner whatsoever" outraging the religious feelings of Muslims. Violation of any part of § 298 makes the violator liable to imprisonment for up to three years and liable also to a fine.

Between 1986 and 2007, Pakistani authorities charged 647 people with blasphemy offences. Fifty percent of these were non-Muslims, who represent only 3% of the national population. No judicial execution for blasphemy has ever occurred in Pakistan, but 20 of those charged were murdered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Pakistan

[avidlearner]

Originally Posted by insaan Agree with this POV. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to offend religious sentiments. I support some sort of punishment to act as a deterrent, but not life imprisonment and definitely not death.

Unfortunately, the bolded part above has gone for the toss at least in my state Tamilnadu (ever since the emergence of Dravidian politics).

One can easily insult Hindu Religion/Beliefs/Customs in the name of Atheism/Rationality and still get away with it. In fact, during 60's and early 70's the goons from Dravidar Kazhagam openly desecrated loads of Hindu idols such as Lord Ganapathy, Lord Rama etc with Chappals and human excretions. What did our govts and public do? Nothing, zilch.

In a way, religious freedom of expression seems to be applicable only to minorities in my state(There is hardly any attacks on non-hindus over their beliefs by these so called rationalist political parties). And the trend continues even now.

[QazzarFan]

First of all these rioters need to understand that Holy Quran containing all the chapters and verses arranged in the format that existed in the days of the Prophet Muhammad has survived for over thousand years through every turmoil in human history. From calligraphy to modern day internet, Quran has been copied, recreated, rewritten in every mode of decipherable knowledge and will continue to survive in the future regardless of its detractors and desecrators.

Secondly, it's a bit hypocritical in my view when muslims themselves have been involved in symbolic desecration of the Holy Quran through out history through forms of theocratic, dictatorial, unjust and oppressive regime, masquerading under religion to give itself a tactical taste of religious legitimacy.

There are periods in Islamic history when muslims invented bogus discipline to eliminate rulings, in the Quran, they did not like. Wouldn't you consider this desecration of Quran? The laws regulating warfare with the idolaters in reference to the level of human relations - restricting it to the repulsion of aggression has been modified at times under different regimes with rules mandating fighting all the people until they accept Islam. Wouldn't this be considered desecration of Quran? What about wahaabi preachers desecrating the Quran by twisting, distorting, fabricating narrations in their daily sermons and rallies to fulfill their own extremist agenda?

[Naraku]

ISLAMABAD: A Pakistani police official says thousands of people beat a man to death, and burned his corpse after he was accused of desecrating the holy Quran.

Local officer Mohammed Azhar Gujar said Wednesday the man was killed after attackers stormed a police station where he had been detained for allegedly throwing pages from the Quran onto the street.

Gujar says police officers tried to protect the man during Tuesday’s attack, but the mob turned violent. They burned several police vehicles and wounded seven officers before grabbing the man, who has not been identified.

The incident was reported to have taken place in the Ahmedpur East area of Punjab’s Bahawalpur district.

Pakistan’s anti-blasphemy laws make defaming Islam or the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), or desecrating the holy Quran, punishable by death, but incidents of attacks by furious mobs are commonplace in the country following allegations of blasphemy.

On June 17, a crowd attempted to lynch a blasphemy suspect as they tried to storm into the police station where he was held. A group of lawyers attempted to attack the same suspect the next day following his production in court but policemen successfully foiled both attacks.

In Quetta last month, a man was killed as a mob attacked a police station holding a “mentally retarded” man also suspected of desecrating the holy book.

Former Punjab governor Salman Taseer was shot dead in January last year by one of his police bodyguards for opposing the blasphemy law.


http://dawn.com/2012/07/04/mob-kills...crating-quran/


Islamic countries do not even require capital punishment laws for blasphemy and apostasy, the mob takes care of it everytime.

[kungfu90]

Is Naraku India's answer to Soton ?

[avidlearner]

Deleted - Offtopic

[pakistanalltheway]

Bird mans back

[saadibaba]

Another shameful incident.

BAHAWALPUR: An angry mob lynched a man accused of burning the Holy Quran in the Chanighot area of Bahawalpur, burning him to death after pouring petrol on him on Wednesday. The police reached the spot to control the matter but the mob refused to hand over the accused and continued to torture him. DSP Ahmadpur Rana Naveed Mumtaz, SHO Chanighot Ghulam Muhaudin Gujjar and seven constables were also injured by the mob. The protesters also set a DSP jeep and three police mobiles on fire. DPO Bahawalpur Ishaq Jahangir told The Express Tribune that it was “crystal clear” that the man who set the Holy Quran on fire was mentally unstable. He added that a police force was sent from Bahawalpur to control the situation and the police are trying to investigate the matter. He added that all those involved in the incident will be arrested, and an extra force has been deployed at the Chanighot Police Station to avoid any untoward incident. The person killed has not been identified as yet, and his body has been shifted to a hospital for an autopsy, the DPO said. The controversial blasphemy laws in Pakistan have resulted in incarceration and the death penalty being handed to scores of people. Former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer was also shot down by his personal guard for supporting a Christian woman Aasia Bibi accused of blasphemy.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/403534/b...ng-holy-quran/

[saadibaba]

^^^^

You are being far too generous.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by kungfu90 Is Naraku India's answer to Soton ?

Naraku is a troll , while soton just posts facts .

[Bewal Express]

Its people showing off that they are more pious by killing a mentally unstable man. The Koran has and will survive because Allah has promised us that it can never be changed so why the irrational reponses.

[James]

Originally Posted by eradicator Its not justified to kill him even if he is mentally stable and burnt Quran in right frame of mind . He however should be booked for hurting religious sentiments in public and given mild sentence .

Sounds about right to me.

[James]

Originally Posted by kabir000 Allah has promised us that it can never be changed so why the irrational reponses.

They will say that their responses are rational in the name of this very cause.

Truth is that only horrible human beings, backed up by blind religious belief, could do something like this.

[Saudi]

Pakistanis are turning rabid...

[Pahari]

Originally Posted by QazzarFan First of all these rioters need to understand that Holy Quran containing all the chapters and verses arranged in the format that existed in the days of the Prophet Muhammad has survived for over thousand years through every turmoil in human history. From calligraphy to modern day internet, Quran has been copied, recreated, rewritten in every mode of decipherable knowledge and will continue to survive in the future regardless of its detractors and desecrators.

^This. Well put

[James]

QazzarFan's post is red hot. Awesome contribution.

[Saudi]

Mumtaz Qadri's actions seem to have opened the floodgates for rabid, jaahil people to resort to mob justice and extra-judicial murders at the first hint of any "blasphemy", real or imagined. I wonder what the Quaid would think about this if he were still alive.

[Bewal Express]

The quaid being from a Shia sect wouldn`t last very long in modern Pakistan.

[UP]

Originally Posted by Saudi Mumtaz Qadri's actions seem to have opened the floodgates for rabid, jaahil people to resort to mob justice and extra-judicial murders at the first hint of any "blasphemy", real or imagined. I wonder what the Quaid would think about this if he were still alive.

The more disgusting stuff is the majority of illiterate people support Qadri's actions.

Religion and state should never be merged together.

[Saudi]

Originally Posted by UP The more disgusting stuff is the majority of illiterate people support Qadri's actions. Religion and state should never be merged together.

Forget about illiterate, many educated people in Pakistan hold Qadri in very high regard or at least support his actions. Pakistanis don't understand that even if you do support the blasphemy law, extra judicial murder of people based on hearsay is the height of lawlessness and ignorance.

As for your second point, good luck getting most PPers to agree, never mind most Pakistanis. I don't see much hope for Pakistan tbh, the situation is only gonna get worse.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by James They will say that their responses are rational in the name of this very cause. Truth is that only horrible human beings, backed up by blind religious belief, could do something like this.

This is pretty silly Whippy, mob violence is nothing new, it has been done by all sorts for all sorts of reason, religion has little to do with mob violence.

Mob violence is against Islam and against the laws in Pakistan. Blasphemy laws exist in Pakistan, so these criminals should have filed a report. They should be punished by the full force of the law.

[Wicket Hit]

This is nothing but a natural progression of religious fundamentalism :

1. Can't live with Hindus - check

2. Can't live with Jews - check

3. Can't live with Ahmadis - check

4. Can't live with Shias - check

[KingKhanWC]

^ Nonsense, what is spurring this is Zionist fundamentalism who have started a war with Islam and Muslims around the world. Interesting you and most others who are quick to rant about religion always fail to mention the main perpetrators of hatred and bloodshed.

[Wicket Hit]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC ^ Nonsense, what is spurring this is Zionist fundamentalism who have started a war with Islam and Muslims around the world. Interesting you and most others who are quick to rant about religion always fail to mention the main perpetrators of hatred and bloodshed.

What does Zion or Zionists have to do with the fact that you cant live with Ahmadis and Shias?

[Bewal Express]

I agree with you. At Uni i was constantly being approached by people from HT to convince me that there is some grandiose conspiracy against Islam. I told them that rather than using hatred as a hook, they should take the positive view and concentrate on putting the brilliance and simplicity Islam. You see it with some posters on the forum,its some conspiracy or another.

[Saudi]

Originally Posted by Wicket Hit What does Zion or Zionists have to do with the fact that you cant live with Ahmadis and Shias?

Godwin's Law KKWC style. He really did outdo himself this time though.

[chacha kashmiri]

I don't see the problem, if this was done done to everyone who tried to burn the quran , noone would burn it again.

Great deterrent

[Bewal Express]

I think some people take comfort in their hatred of other sects.

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by kabir000 I think some people take comfort in their hatred of other sects.

Why are you bringing irish into this

[Saudi]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri I don't see the problem, if this was done done to everyone who tried to burn the quran , noone would burn it again. Great deterrent

Yes, one of the world's great problems, people burning the Quran....

Btw It takes a really warped mind to see this news and think "Great deterrent". What is wrong with you?

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by Saudi Yes, one of the world's great problems, people burning the Quran.... Btw It takes a really warped mind to see this news and think "Great deterrent". What is wrong with you?

When you break it down for me like that, it is kinda stupid reasoning.

I think i was just continuing from the other thread and talking about bearded muslims getting locked up etc

[saadibaba]

Pakistan already a dangerous and unsafe place for religious minorities, including Shia's and now mentally handicap people. What next...

[James]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri I don't see the problem, if this was done done to everyone who tried to burn the quran , noone would burn it again. Great deterrent

.............................................

[UP]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri I don't see the problem, if this was done done to everyone who tried to burn the quran , noone would burn it again. Great deterrent

Thank you for your great insight

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by UP Thank you for your great insight

You have to show these people their place, how dare these balochis think they're above the quran in the land of the pure, the pashtun defence league sorted out this fool

[James]

Somebody is having a cheeky Wednesday evening troll.

[Saudi]

Originally Posted by James Somebody is having a cheeky Wednesday evening troll.

And the only reason we're being trolled is that the type of people who genuinely say such things definitely do exist, even right here on PP, and in considerable numbers.

Take KKWC's post above about Zionists. Is he serious or on the windup?

Poe's Law...

[chacha kashmiri]

you hsould have read post 42

[James]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC This is pretty silly Whippy, mob violence is nothing new, it has been done by all sorts for all sorts of reason, religion has little to do with mob violence. Mob violence is against Islam and against the laws in Pakistan. Blasphemy laws exist in Pakistan, so these criminals should have filed a report. They should be punished by the full force of the law.

Got to disagree with you on the bolded part bro, agree with the rest though.

Including the I am silly bit.

[Wicket Hit]

FACT : There is not a single Muslim dominated (75%) in the world where non Muslims have equal or even human rights.

[pakistanalltheway]

Originally Posted by Wicket Hit FACT : There is not a single Muslim dominated (75%) in the world where non Muslims have equal or even human rights.

FACT:Your post doesn't make sense .

[amateurdentist]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18713545

Pakistan mob burns man to death for 'blasphemy'

A Pakistani mob has taken a man accused of blasphemy from a police station and burnt him to death, police say.

The man was being held for allegedly burning a copy of the Koran in public. The incident took place on the outskirts of Bahawalpur, in Punjab province.

Witnesses said hundreds of people looked on as he screamed for help.

Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law imposes the death penalty for insulting Islam, but it is rarely carried out.

The area where the lynching took place is home to hundreds of madrassas - religious schools - run by radical Islamist or sectarian groups.

Police said they detained the man after locals complained that he had desecrated the Koran.

But before the allegation could be investigated, thousands of angry people surrounded the police station, police said.

"They were demanding that we kill him in front of them, or they'll take him away and kill him themselves," police inspector Ghulam Mohiuddin told the BBC.

'Hysterical'
After officers unsuccessfully tried to calm the crowd, it attacked the station, as police tried to disperse it with tear gas. Several policemen were wounded in the violence.

The mob put up roadblocks to prevent police reinforcements from reaching the area, officers said.

"We were totally outnumbered. There were too many of them and they were hysterical. Eventually, they succeeded in taking him away," said one.

The man was reportedly beaten and dragged to the spot where he is said to have desecrated the Koran.

The mob then poured petrol on him and set him on fire, according to witnesses.

Police say they are trying to identify the victim, who was said to be mentally unstable.

"The man had no idea what was going on," said an official.

"While he was in our custody, he kept laughing and chanting."

A case has been registered against unknown attackers. No arrests have been made yet.

[amateurdentist]

rulers of a nation are a perfect reflection of the citizens.
people like these deserve zardari and nawaz. we donot deserve imran khan and will not get him

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by amateurdentist rulers of a nation are a perfect reflection of the citizens. people like these deserve zardari and nawaz. we donot deserve imran khan and will not get him

May I suggest better example?

CJ of SC is a perfect reflection of the citizens.
CJ is popular in Pakistani public (not Zardari).

[amateurdentist]

zardari is the perfect reflection of an average pakistani. corrupt uneducated selfish hypocrite
why do you like zardari anyway?

[munda_khi]

Originally Posted by amateurdentist rulers of a nation are a perfect reflection of the citizens. people like these deserve zardari and nawaz. we donot deserve imran khan and will not get him

you mean tsunami is not coming

[amateurdentist]

no we are gona be stuck with gunja bros
and your gna be stuck with bhai log

but im still voting for imran

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Saudi Mumtaz Qadri's actions seem to have opened the floodgates for rabid, jaahil people to resort to mob justice and extra-judicial murders at the first hint of any "blasphemy", real or imagined. I wonder what the Quaid would think about this if he were still alive.

These acts themselves are proving a mockery of the two nation theory. Still if the people of Pakistan are happy with what their nation has become good luck to them. Just don't complain about power shortages or bully boy India/America, because wallowing in ignorance is all part of the cause.