We made him look like x and y

[NoToIpL]

Every time an opposition bowler performs good against Pakistan, Pakistan fans will automatically say stuff like he is not good we made him look like x and y. Why cant we give credit where it is due ?
If we made him look like x and y then we sucks don't we ?

[Hansar]

Its a matter of whether we handed wickets to them or they bowled well to take them. I would say Junaid is bowling really well at the time, even though he didn't get a wicket today, if an opposition's bowlers were bowling like this I'd say they were good bowlers, but if they were bowling casually and we got out on our own stupidity then we did make him look like x and y!

[rooster]

You have put exactly what I thought about it a few times. Would you guys say Junaid is poor but SL batsmen made him look like Akram, since you guys said he's not upto international standards a week ago. Give credit where its due.

[NoToIpL]

Originally Posted by rooster You have put exactly what I thought about it a few times. Would you guys say Junaid is poor but SL batsmen made him look like Akram, since you guys said he's not upto international standards a week ago. Give credit where its due.

people were making threads what is point of having Junaid khan in team

[rooster]

Originally Posted by NoToIpL people were making threads what is point of having Junaid khan in team

Exactly!! Both Junaid and Thissara were new to Int cricket. Right now they may give some performances here and there but I sue Junaid gonna have a good carrier and Thissara developing into a decent allrounder.

[James]

Arrogance of course.

[Love Pakistan]

Our batsmen indeed suck which is why they make lallu bowlers look world class! I mean Parerra is by no means a world class bowler but our batsmen just suck against him!

[Xoib]

agree to an extend ut do remember some cricketers exclusivley had their success against Pakistan especially bowlers Kula, Katich, Hauritz even Perera till now so you can justify that Pakistan do make some ordinary bowlers look good. Warne , Mcgrath or Anderson has also pwned Pakistan many a times but you don't see people arguing that we made them look world class.

[rooster]

It's not as if Pak batsmen were brilliant against great bowlers. Batsmen inability doesn't mean the bowler is not good enough. For instance, Thissara got 3 fifers in ODIs against Pak, India, Aus so he's not a poor bowler by any means, even if you look at the stats of Asif, Aamir and Thissara, Thissara's stats were more impressive.

[Xoib]

once again you are missing the point. Most of the time the fans argue is our batsman are so ordinary that they make a poor bowler look better then what they really are Perrera might not be the best example sine he is quite decent but there are quite a few cases whee some ordinary bowlers made merry against Pakistan by just bowling line and length.

[Lethalweapon]

Originally Posted by rooster It's not as if Pak batsmen were brilliant against great bowlers. Batsmen inability doesn't mean the bowler is not good enough. For instance, Thissara got 3 fifers in ODIs against Pak, India, Aus so he's not a poor bowler by any means, even if you look at the stats of Asif, Aamir and Thissara, Thissara's stats were more impressive.

Watch Thisara's hattrick , all 3 deliveries were harmless.
both his 5fers before that were against a depleted Indian team (helped by Dharamsena as well) and an injury ravaged Aussie team.
he is a bits and pieces player and not a frontline bowler.

[NoToIpL]

Originally Posted by Xoib once again you are missing the point. Most of the time the fans argue is our batsman are so ordinary that they make a poor bowler look better then what they really are Perrera might not be the best example sine he is quite decent but there are quite a few cases whee some ordinary bowlers made merry against Pakistan by just bowling line and length.

isn't the line and length the basic of an attack or you want to have 100 sami in the world ?

[Xoib]

Originally Posted by NoToIpL isn't the line and length the basic of an attack or you want to have 100 sami in the world ?

Just L@L may give you decent figures but in order to run through sides you need more then basic l&l stuff. Pakistan has let bowlers run through them by bowling basic stuff which shows their lack of discipline.

[LegCutter]

Marcus North
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/426394.html
18 overs 6 wickets
Australia won by 150 runs

Average against England: 62
Average against India: 47
Average against South Africa: 49
Average against Pakistan: 9.16

Now there are either two possibilies: Marcus North is a phenomenal bowler but he's just been unlucky against the rest of the world.

OR the more likely scenario, he's a rubbish bowler who just ran through our side like so many other lulloo bowlers.

So your thread, OP, is flawed and dare I say it, wrong.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Lethalweapon Watch Thisara's hattrick , all 3 deliveries were harmless. both his 5fers before that were against a depleted Indian team (helped by Dharamsena as well) and an injury ravaged Aussie team. he is a bits and pieces player and not a frontline bowler.

Being an ODI, bowlers won't bowl brilliant line&length they just varies their L&L to get the batsman. But the wickets by Perera in this test were decent balls. Junaid's ball to Sanga and Perera's ball to Hafeez were similar. Maybe your are not watching the match.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by NoToIpL Every time an opposition bowler performs good against Pakistan, Pakistan fans will automatically say stuff like he is not good we made him look like x and y. Why cant we give credit where it is due ? If we made him look like x and y then we sucks don't we ?

Oh Phai Jaan, that is the premise of all such threads to begin with

[Strike!]

You have to look at the way these bowlers perform against us and then how they go to perform against the rest of the world, Bolwers like Bishoo, Marcus North and Kulasekera who have been pummeled by all international sides perform only against us. So we definitely do make some bowlers look better than they really are.

[NoToIpL]

it is not just one or two bowler it is all bowlers who takes a 5-er or wins a match against Pakistan
He is rubbish we made him look like x and y but mostly W's

[NoToIpL]

however when a Pakistan bowler is performing good he is just a master-class look at Junaid Khan people were asking why he is at the team what is the reason of him being in team and now he is world's best bowler

[Lethalweapon]

Originally Posted by rooster Being an ODI, bowlers won't bowl brilliant line&length they just varies their L&L to get the batsman. But the wickets by Perera in this test were decent balls. Junaid's ball to Sanga and Perera's ball to Hafeez were similar. Maybe your are not watching the match.

I did not say anything about this test. but I have seen Ganguly bowling similar deliveries earlier in his career in tests. but he was not a frontline bowler.
I think Thisara's 5fer vs Aus was his best spell despite Aus' problems then. I saw him in SA tests few months back and he was bad there.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Strike! You have to look at the way these bowlers perform against us and then how they go to perform against the rest of the world, Bolwers like Bishoo, Marcus North and Kulasekera who have been pummeled by all international sides perform only against us. So we definitely do make some bowlers look better than they really are.

if you look around its true for every team . There are lot of players , both batsmen and bowlers who have struggle against other teams but have done very well against India .

[Decipher]

Originally Posted by NoToIpL Every time an opposition bowler performs good against Pakistan, Pakistan fans will automatically say stuff like he is not good we made him look like x and y. Why cant we give credit where it is due ? If we made him look like x and y then we sucks don't we ?

Since this was your first post, I won't get down too hard on you.
Folks usually look for a pattern by crunching in some numbers before passing a judgement.

Take for example Nuwan Kulasakera ... find out his bowling stats against rest of the world (except Pakistan), and then find out his bowling stats against Pakistan (cricinfo's stats guru will help)... and then compare the two results. And then see if you get the point?

[Sidcricfan]

You guys have a history of giving away wickets to part-timers or weaker links in the attack. Kulasekera is not a good test match bowler at all but thrives against Pak, same for Perera and Marcus North.

[leatherface58]

lol North isn't even a bowler. but he did take the only wicket vs England at Brisbane.2010. England scored 500 odd

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[Wristy_Shuffler]

I get enough scared whenever a part-timer comes on to bowl against a well set Pakistani pair.

Also, to be fair, that 'long list of lulloo's' thread is just a laugh. Highlighting these bowlers is more of an insult to the Pakistani batsmen more than anything else.