Is Aleem Dar the only good umpire left?

[JibranAnsari]

Watching Simon taufel making blunders in this match , just wondering if Aleem Dar is the only decent umpire the elite panel. ?

[eradicator]

Why do Pakistanis often start whining about umpires whenever a defeat is around the corner ?

[Bullet Drive]

Honestly Simon used to be such a good umpire. The same as Aleem is now but since Aleem has become good Simon has become poor. Asad Rauf is also amazing!

[speed]

still 2nd best in the world

[MRSN]

Originally Posted by eradicator Why do Pakistanis often start whining about umpires whenever a defeat is around the corner ?

because poor umpiring has been costing us matches of late.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by eradicator Why do Pakistanis often start whining about umpires whenever a defeat is around the corner ?

Are you a pakistani or an indian or what nationality? I dont know.

Secondly , If you haven't watch the test match then go watch highlights of the decisions made and if you have watched and satisfied with the umpiring then you are probably an aschoka fan.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Honestly Simon used to be such a good umpire. The same as Aleem is now but since Aleem has become good Simon has become poor. Asad Rauf is also amazing!

Yes , but very poor this match I must say.

[Jo_Don]

Aleem Dar has his off days too. Umpires are also just human.

[Bullet Drive]

Bruce Oxenford is also a very very good umpire.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Jo_Don Aleem Dar has his off days too. Umpires are also just human.

Well I guess then , all elite panel is having off days these days.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Bruce Oxenford is also a very very good umpire.

Where is he when we need him

[Bullet Drive]

We just need the DRS. Its as simple as that. ICC fund the DRS. If India don't want it don't give it to them. Pakistan and SL need it.

[bluffmasterv2]

Originally Posted by Jo_Don Aleem Dar has his off days too. Umpires are also just human.

Yeah but come on that was really a poor decision today from some one like Taufel it was clearly pitching outside leg.

[Nitin Tomer]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive We just need the DRS. Its as simple as that. ICC fund the DRS. If India don't want it don't give it to them. Pakistan and SL need it.

Why should ICC fund it for you? If you want it so badly, pay for it yourself...

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Nitin Tomer Why should ICC fund it for you? If you want it so badly, pay for it yourself...

If ICC wants the game fair , either hire good umpires or Fund DRS.

[Sherlock]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Watching Simon taufel making blunders in this match , just wondering if Aleem Dar is the only decent umpire the elite panel. ?

Simon Taufel is class, yes he's made mistakes but so has Aleem Dar.

They're simply 2 of the best umpires we've had in the last decade.

[Nitin Tomer]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari If ICC wants the game fair , either hire good umpires or Fund DRS.

They are providing umpires from the elite panel - supposedly the best in world.

If Pakistan feels so strongly about DRS, they should have refused to play SL without it. Or if SL couldn't afford it, should have paid for it. Why whining now?

P.S. My opinion would be same if India suffer blatantly poor umpiring decisions in absence of DRS.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Simon Taufel is class, yes he's made mistakes but so has Aleem Dar. They're simply 2 of the best umpires we've had in the last decade.

Yah , In fact I was expecting some respite after the horrible umpiring this series but it continued with simon as well. DRS is the answer.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Nitin Tomer They are providing umpires from the elite panel - supposedly the best in world. If Pakistan feels so strongly about DRS, they should have refused to play SL without it. Or if SL couldn't afford it, should have paid for it. Why whining now? P.S. My opinion would be same if India blatantly poor umpiring decisions.

we will talk about it when it happens to india in three continuous matches.

[cricketindiafan]

Has Aleem Dar officiated in matches without DRS recently? Saw him overturn a few of his decisions in matches having DRS.

Maybe even the umpires have got used to DRS helping them with their decisions and when they officiate without DRS, their effectiveness goes down.

[Lethalweapon]

Originally Posted by cricketindiafan Has Aleem Dar officiated in matches without DRS recently? Saw him overturn a few of his decisions in matches having DRS. Maybe even the umpires have got used to DRS helping them with their decisions and when they officiate without DRS, their effectiveness goes down.

yes, it happened just this season in England.

[sehsan]

Umpires are tend to make mistakes. Its the technology which need to be used so all the errors can be eliminated.

[avidlearner]

IMHO, best umps for the last year or so are Aleem Darr and Asad Rauf

Three umpires who are quickly catching up with the above two in terms making right decisions are Bruce Oxenford (though not getting much chance to officiate, still he is very good ), Richard Kettleborough (Young ump from England), Rod Tucker (Another youngish ump with better umpiring records).

BTW, Simon Taufnel is not anymore the gold standard when it comes to umpiring but he is still better than the likes of Steve Davies, and Tony"AlwaysGrump"Hill, Dharmasena.

Ian gould used to be good but he seems to have fallen from his own standards drastically since the start of Pak-Sl series.

[AdidasBeard]

Umpires are getting better and better. There decisions are coming greater scrutiny because of the amount of tv coverage, the technology available for replays and the amount of money at stake. If you took the umpires from the 80s and 90s and put them in today they would look a lot poorer.

However I fully agree that DRS would help these guys and whilst not removing all controversy from decision making it would cut down the amount of mistakes.

[doctordamor]

Originally Posted by Nitin Tomer They are providing umpires from the elite panel - supposedly the best in world. If Pakistan feels so strongly about DRS, they should have refused to play SL without it. Or if SL couldn't afford it, should have paid for it. Why whining now? P.S. My opinion would be same if India suffer blatantly poor umpiring decisions in absence of DRS.

when ICC is running the game it is their responsibility not the boards so ur argument doesn't hold water. If ICC doesn't want to provide DRS then they should refrain from appointing umpires either and have boards appoint whichever umpire board wants.

[Amjid Javed]

Taufel is pretty good, his dimissal of Taufeeq was very poor though.

[Decipher]

It's sad and funny .. Pakistan provides the best of the best umpire to the cricket world who officiates the games with the highest competence, and in return we get the most awful bunch of sadists to officiate in our games.

[Shayan]

Umpires make mistakes, they're human, it happens.

The problem is the lack of DRS, not the umpires.

[Decipher]

Originally Posted by Shayan Umpires make mistakes, they're human, it happens. The problem is the lack of DRS, not the umpires.

^^
Thats one thing that I surely agree with but then there may be something else. Didn't you notice this jaw dropping phenomenon that usually a major portion of these umpiring mistakes almost always go against Pakistan? I mean if it was a one off game then yeah, but there looks to be a pattern where the balance of mistakes is somehow slacked against Pakistan. I may be wrong but this is what I have felt over the years.

[testcricketisbest]

Originally Posted by doctordamor when ICC is running the game it is their responsibility not the boards so ur argument doesn't hold water. If ICC doesn't want to provide DRS then they should refrain from appointing umpires either and have boards appoint whichever umpire board wants.

Are the boards paying revenues from this series to ICC answer to that is no.

It is providing the umpires and paying them.If they don't want ICC to provide umpires and use their own umpires they can do it, the matches just wont given Test status by ICC which is their right.

Tomorrow some new technology will come up and to expect ICC to provide funding for that is a folly.

It is up to home board to come up with resources to provide for DRS, ICC is doing it for its tournaments.

[doctordamor]

Originally Posted by testcricketisbest Are the boards paying revenues from this series to ICC answer to that is no. It is providing the umpires and paying them.If they don't want ICC to provide umpires and use their own umpires they can do it, the matches just wont given Test status by ICC which is their right. Tomorrow some new technology will come up and to expect ICC to provide funding for that is a folly. It is up to home board to come up with resources to provide for DRS, ICC is doing it for its tournaments.

And that my dear friend is the point, since it is ICC job to run the game and umpiring falls under them they must fund the DRS. Otherwise they should modify the rules allowing boards to appoint umpires as it suits them. As it stands, in T20 domestic home umpires and in ODI one home umpire is already allowed by ICC.

Seems to me ICC is not running the game, if its not then it should get out of the way and state it clearly.

[testcricketisbest]

Originally Posted by doctordamor And that my dear friend is the point, since it is ICC job to run the game and umpiring falls under them they must fund the DRS. Otherwise they should modify the rules allowing boards to appoint umpires as it suits them. As it stands, in T20 domestic home umpires and in ODI one home umpire is already allowed by ICC. Seems to me ICC is not running the game, if its not then it should get out of the way and state it clearly.

its job is run the game by providing basic frame work and umpiring falls into that category but DRS does not and it is doing its job.

It is providing drs by obtaining funds for its tournaments.

You should have gripe with SLC which could provide DRS to England and could not do it for this series.What it says for SLC revenues were more for England series or they did not want to offend ECB.

With PCB they thought it is ok without DRS

one icc umpire for odis and t20 only match referee is provided that is what has been agreed by all boards so what is your point.

When these two teams played last time with Pakistan as home team it provided DRS for ODIS but not tests so I guess SLC is paying back PCB .

[Ironcat]

Originally Posted by testcricketisbest Are the boards paying revenues from this series to ICC answer to that is no. It is providing the umpires and paying them.If they don't want ICC to provide umpires and use their own umpires they can do it, the matches just wont given Test status by ICC which is their right. Tomorrow some new technology will come up and to expect ICC to provide funding for that is a folly. It is up to home board to come up with resources to provide for DRS, ICC is doing it for its tournaments.

Wrong. The boards paid ICC $24 million last year in subscription fees out of which ~$3 million was used to fund the elite panel.

It is ICC's responsibility to provide proper umpiring skills for the matches, or the boards should hold the $3 million back and use that to fund the DRS.

[LastLaugh_PK]

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[mastermind_quad]

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[Aly]

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[mastermind_quad]

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[LastLaugh_PK]

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[IAJ]

Mistake from Dar here. He gave Cook out caught behind, but they reviewed it right aways and there was no edge. Not easy for the umpires.

[0tt0man]

Dar's having a shocker of a match right now. Also had a not-out caught-behind decision reversed during Australia's innings.

[James]

Even Dar's been pretty average in 2012. Quite a few wrong decisions.

[JibranAnsari]

May be All umpires want DRS and that's why doing this

[UmarMalik]

Simon Taufel is still as good as he was before. The truth of the matter is, Aleem Dar has gotten better and remains a top umpire at the moment.

For me, Taufel & Aleem Dar are usually spot on but then again, every human can make mistakes. But 85-90% of their decisions are correct

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by UmarMalik Simon Taufel is still as good as he was before. The truth of the matter is, Aleem Dar has gotten better and remains a top umpire at the moment. For me, Taufel & Aleem Dar are usually spot on but then again, every human can make mistakes. But 85-90% of their decisions are correct

85-90% would be low for them. Average is 92% for international umpires. It could be around 95% for very good umpires.

[LethalSami]

Originally Posted by AlizeeFan 85-90% would be low for them. Average is 92% for international umpires. It could be around 95% for very good umpires.

Yeahhhhhhh rightttt ....

just look at how many decision are overturned by DRS despite DRS giving umpires benefit of the doubt.

Average ICC umpire is pathetic......and i don't know where are you getting that 92% correct decisions figure from???

[Swaraj!!]

Originally Posted by LethalSami Yeahhhhhhh rightttt .... just look at how many decision are overturned by DRS despite DRS giving umpires benefit of the doubt. Average ICC umpire is pathetic......and i don't know where are you getting that 92% correct decisions figure from???

Ummmm.......what about no balls and so on

They are also decisions. Looks like ICC uses them to calculate the 92% right average.

Sorry for the bad joke.

[SID_ZONE]

Two howlers in this match already and there were quite a few in the last match.

He's basing his decisions on the back of appeals. Not what a quality umpire is supposed to do.

[rvd]

LOL what a joke. Overrated umpire. Hes trash.

[Buffet]

Originally Posted by SID_ZONE Two howlers in this match already and there were quite a few in the last match. He's basing his decisions on the back of appeals. Not what a quality umpire is supposed to do.

Zaheer was one. Second?

[James]

Bad year getting worse. On the out.

[avidlearner]

Have to agree with James above me.

In the last year or two, IMHO Bruce Oxenford seems to be the best of the lot(though he does not gets as much appreciation/notice form media or cricket analysts as some other umps in elite panel)