Hindu boy converts to Islam on live television show in Pak

[KingKhanWC]

A young Hindu boy converted to Islam on a live television show hosted by a controversial Pakistani anchor, triggering outrage among liberals and sparking concerns among minority communities. The Hindu youth, who appeared to be a teenager and was identified only as Sunil, was converted by Maulana Mufti Muhammad Aqmal on a special live Ramzan show on ARY Digital channel that is hosted by Maya Khan. During the show beamed on Tuesday, Sunil sat among a group of children and men and said he had decided to convert to Islam while working for the NGO headed by rights activist Ansar Burney. “Two years ago, I observed the fast during Ramzan. There is no pressure on me to accept Islam, I want to accept Islam on my own will,” he said in response to questions from Aqmal. The cleric then asked Sunil to say he was “accepting Islam without any pressure and without being forced by anyone” and to recite the “Kalimah Tayyibah”. Following the conversion, Maya Khan announced that Sunil would be renamed Muhammad Abdullah. Khan, who was sacked by Samaa TV channel earlier this year after she earned the ire of people across Pakistan when she accosted “immoral” couples dating in Karachi's parks, said she hoped Sunil “would become a good Muslim”. Hindu leaders expressed concern at the development, saying it could increase pressure on the minority community. “This has caused sadness in our community as it does not set a good example. Such shows will increase pressure on our community,” Amarnath Randhawa of the Lahore-based Hindu Sudhar Sabha said. “Minority communities are already oppressed in Pakistan and the pressure is bound to increase on people when such things are played up in the media,” Randhawa said.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hi...n-pak/980321/2

Interesting reading various Indian news sites about this story. I don't understand the outrage here? All sites are reporting he converted with free will, his choice. If a Muslim was to convert to Hinduism or leave Islam these same people would praising a persons right to chose their way of life but it seems if someone converts to Islam it's a crime against humanity. lol

Congratulations to the brother, welcome.

If anyone has a video of this, please post it.

[Bewal Express]

As long as its without any coercion-welcome. You may even teach the muslims of Pakistan how to be a good muslim.

[saeedhk]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hi...n-pak/980321/2 Interesting reading various Indian news sites about this story. I don't understand the outrage here? All sites are reporting he converted with free will, his choice. If a Muslim was to convert to Hinduism or leave Islam these same people would praising a persons right to chose their way of life but it seems if someone converts to Islam it's a crime against humanity. lol Congratulations to the brother, welcome. If anyone has a video of this, please post it.

Apparently, this has created an uproar among the minorities groups.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/413770/l...w-stirs-anger/


The video is also available on the above link

[Zahid87]

From what I can make out, the problem would seem to be that they made a spectacle out of it. Having it on TV, making a show from it. I can see that minority groups may feel 'hurt' - Muslims are converting them for entertainment.

No one would have noticed or cared had he converted at the local Mosque.

[bobwoolmersarmy]

soon Amir Liaqat will also convert someone to Islam

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Zahid87 From what I can make out, the problem would seem to be that they made a spectacle out of it. Having it on TV, making a show from it. I can see that minority groups may feel 'hurt'. Muslims converting them for entertainment. No one would notice if he converted in a mosque next to his house.

Exactly. It says a lot about Pakistan's obsession with religion that they feel the need to crow about a conversion on national television. Imagine how you would feel if Indian television broadcast a muslim converting to a hindu. It just looks like a cheap shot in all honesty.

[Senman]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hi...n-pak/980321/2 Interesting reading various Indian news sites about this story. I don't understand the outrage here? All sites are reporting he converted with free will, his choice. If a Muslim was to convert to Hinduism or leave Islam these same people would praising a persons right to chose their way of life but it seems if someone converts to Islam it's a crime against humanity. lol Congratulations to the brother, welcome. If anyone has a video of this, please post it.

Yes religion is a personal choice but why make a TV show out of it? doesn't it affect other religious people?

PS: MR. The Great Khan, I am just replying to KingKhanWC and not being Anti-Muslim/Anti-Pakistani, so at-least quit slandering me in this thread.

[Singham]

Personal choice hai. Hardly a news.

[withlovefrom vizag]

The thing that we Indians hate is making this a public scene by telecasting the conversion on tv and everyone congratulating him on becoming a muslim!

If its done in a mosque,no one wud have any problem

[akheR]

There was a controversy because of the media euphoria on a mere religious conversion, if an Ahmed decided to become a Sunil, let alone overexposure on TV he would have been chased down by the whole neighbourhood like a rabbit.

Welcome to Islam anyway, here's the clip:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VzDwy49pNU&t=8m45s

(watch it from @ 8: 45 onwards.)

[Zaz]

Yes, a very poor idea to make a show of this Maya khan is a cheap person who will go to any lengths to get ratings and publicty

BTW Anybody know how old the boy is?

[Smiling Creed]

Originally Posted by Zahid87 From what I can make out, the problem would seem to be that they made a spectacle out of it. Having it on TV, making a show from it. I can see that minority groups may feel 'hurt' - Muslims are converting them for entertainment. No one would have noticed or cared had he converted at the local Mosque.

+1 .... Religion is between man and his creator. No need to bring all TV drama into it. Cheap publicity stunt....

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag The thing that we Indians hate is making this a public scene by telecasting the conversion on tv and everyone congratulating him on becoming a muslim! If its done in a mosque,no one wud have any problem

Is that right? I thought there was some business with Shiv Sena carrying out similar stunts converting muslims to hindus some time back, which is why I drew the comparison.

[Mohsin]

Doesn't matter if the boy converted as long as he did it through his own free will. Though fait enough, it doesn't need to have it's own segment on TV

At the same time, why does the indian media care so much...have they blamed the ISI 'forced conversions' wing yet?

[nish_mate]

Wonder if the lads gonna be given death sentence if he "unconverts" himself somewhere down the line and chooses another religion?

And then the matie goes from "brother" to "kaffir" lol......

[Gabbar Singh]

Yet the same Indian media say nothing when someone like Zakir Naik does the same in India?



They are only making a hoo-ha out of it now because it's happened in Pakistan.

And are there not more important things to worry about anyway. Bit of a non story this is.

[vcool80]

the question is can a person declare live that he/she has left islam? freedom must be 2 way. can murtad do so?

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh They are only making a hoo-ha out of it now because it's happened in Pakistan.

Indeed, but we know there's a whole negative symbolism attached with Pakistan in the Indian media, and its main objective is to create reactions like that:

lol @ free will , though a smart choice if you are in Pakistan though .

[QazzarFan]

So now they are converting people on LIVE tv for entertainment and to garner viewership in Pakistan? Wow...just wow....talk about obsession with religion and downward spiral.

[Third Umpire]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hi...n-pak/980321/2 Interesting reading various Indian news sites about this story. I don't understand the outrage here? All sites are reporting he converted with free will, his choice. If a Muslim was to convert to Hinduism or leave Islam these same people would praising a persons right to chose their way of life but it seems if someone converts to Islam it's a crime against humanity. lol Congratulations to the brother, welcome. If anyone has a video of this, please post it.

How is it that you don't understand the outrage associated with a public conversion live on television?

[withlovefrom vizag]

Originally Posted by Mohsin Doesn't matter if the boy converted as long as he did it through his own free will. Though fait enough, it doesn't need to have it's own segment on TV At the same time, why does the indian media care so much...have they blamed the ISI 'forced conversions' wing yet?

stereotypical pakistani line!!

No one out here blames ISI for such unrelated issues.

[withlovefrom vizag]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh Yet the same Indian media say nothing when someone like Zakir Naik does the same in India? They are only making a hoo-ha out of it now because it's happened in Pakistan. And are there not more important things to worry about anyway. Bit of a non story this is.

everyone knows wat happens,it is not a secret.

You guys will blame that India is discriminating minorities,and it will become a unnecessary issue in India.

I dont think this is a headline in IND

[withlovefrom vizag]

Interestingly,even Bangkok post,al arabiya,ny daily also covered this....

[mithun_minhas]

Its his personal choice. He converted, good for him.

If some one leaves his religion to become an Atheist, will there be an outrage over it? I am sure no one cares if you do not believe in anything. The problem only comes if you stop believing in Ram and move onto Allah or vice versa...

In the end, it really does not matter if Sunil has becomes Mohammed. Only people who are worried about number count of their religion get worried when someone converts by their own free will.

I think Indians have no right to complain about Pak when some Hindu converts to Islam (Free will or Forced). Thousands of Pak Hindus are waiting to settle in India for various reasons and yet India does nothing about it. But when the person converts by his own will or converts to get some benifits, we cry wolf

[JellyBro]

great! Now if only Maya Khan would convert to Islam...

[freelance_cricketer]

Good for him. Good luck


As long as it is not forced, it's absolutely fine.

[eradicator]

whats the great deal in it ? There are thousands who reject Islam everday and there are thousand others who accept it .

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Third Umpire How is it that you don't understand the outrage associated with a public conversion live on television?

As mentioned, many have converted live on T.V or been videos converted. Search on Youtube and there are hundreds of videos. I haven't seen this particular show to comment on how tasteful or not it is.


As Muslims it's our duty to help new converts, so the more who know this boy is a new convert the more help he should get.

It's also good for Muslims to see new converts as they can be very inspiring.

Come on Akher even you know mate that the Op's on a trolling mission... If the reverse were to happen matie would be discussing which Hadeeth would be relevant to pass the death sentence... Reminds me of the thread where the Op went around batting for love

lol.

As a Hindu, you should be happy people are freely allowed to chose their way of life but from this post it seems you're are very much irritated. This was no trolling thread but an inquisitive thread to find out why so many Indians get their lungies in a twist and you have come to the party on cue.

[justarslan]

Met an Indian guy last Friday Iftar at Islamic Center who converted to Islam from Hinduism and his sister converted as well.

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag stereotypical pakistani line!! No one out here blames ISI for such unrelated issues.

Erm, well there's a reason for this isn't there? :pigeon

[nish_mate]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC As mentioned, many have converted live on T.V or been videos converted. Search on Youtube and there are hundreds of videos. I haven't seen this particular show to comment on how tasteful or not it is. As Muslims it's our duty to help new converts, so the more who know this boy is a new convert the more help he should get. It's also good for Muslims to see new converts as they can be very inspiring. lol. As a Hindu, you should be happy people are freely allowed to chose their way of life but from this post it seems you're are very much irritated. This was no trolling thread but an inquisitive thread to find out why so many Indians get their lungies in a twist and you have come to the party on cue.

Naah mate not partying for me in the holy month...cant offend the sensibilities of some

[saadibaba]

How did Islam spread in the sub-continent....through conversions, mainly from Hinduism. Conversion is not the issue here. They are happening all the time all over the world, its news because of the spectacle that was made out of it. The so called show is conducted by Maya Khan, same lady who hounded and humiliated couples for meeting in public parks and was later fired after a big uproar by the social media. This lady has a history of using religion to boast her profile and ratings. No surprise that this conversion, which is supposed to be a private and spiritual event, was showed live, as if some miracle is happening. As if conversions are so rare that they need to be captured on camera. I feel ashamed of our media, especially these so called religious shows which are using religion to sell stuff. Its a strange mixture of religious evangelism and mass consumerism.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by nish_mate Naah mate not partying for me in the holy month...cant offend the sensibilities of some

Nice to know Hindu's moving towards the truth.

How did Islam spread in the sub-continent....through conversions, mainly from Hinduism. Conversion is not the issue here. They are happening all the time all over the world, its news because of the spectacle that was made out of it. The so called show is conducted by Maya Khan, same lady who hounded and humiliated couples for meeting in public parks and was later fired after a big uproar by the social media. This lady has a history of using religion to boast her profile and ratings. No surprise that this conversion, which is supposed to be a private and spiritual event, was showed live, as if some miracle is happening. As if conversions are so rare that they need to be captured on camera. I feel ashamed of our media, especially these so called religious shows which are using religion to sell stuff. Its a strange mixture of religious evangelism and mass consumerism.

Conversions to Islam are not supposed to be private event, not sure where you got this from? Converts are usually bought to peoples to attention so they can be helped into their new lives.

But what you say about this host IF TRUE does sound a bit over the top. But I will hold judgement until I see a video.

[bobwoolmersarmy]

Burney to sue Maya Khan for “conversion” stint on live show

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012...-on-live-show/

[Looney]

Lol Maya Khan , I doubt the guy was even Hindu , probably some poor kid they paid

[Looney]

Originally Posted by bobwoolmersarmy Burney to sue Maya Khan for “conversion” stint on live show http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012...-on-live-show/

Not that I support this drama but why does Sunil need permission from Burney to convert to another religion ? :S

[zzebie]

Maya Khan back in action. Seems running behind couples in the park is behind her now.

[munda_khi]

Originally Posted by Mohsin Doesn't matter if the boy converted as long as he did it through his own free will. Though fait enough, it doesn't need to have it's own segment on TV At the same time, why does the indian media care so much...have they blamed the ISI 'forced conversions' wing yet?

i think we pakistanis needs more to worry about isi forced conversion which asad durrani is talking about nowadays

[Stewie]

Indians and Hindus are just mad a kid saw something in Islam and decided to convert.

They are complaining about how the decision could be due to minority suppression and this and that.

I think they need to be reminded, one of the main reasons Islam spread so quickly and was so popular in the Indian subcontinent, was due to their heavy handed treatment of lower castes and such, a practice that still goes on right now.

It is ridiculous how shameless indian posters here are. pehley apnay gareban mein jhaank ker dekho then complain about Pakistan on a pakistani discussion board.

[spaceshot]

Originally Posted by Stewie It is ridiculous how shameless indian posters here are. pehley apnay gareban mein jhaank ker dekho then complain about Pakistan on a pakistani discussion board.

Do enlighten us, the Indians, what do u mean by the first line.
And also point out who has complained.

[srh]

1) Has another company bought a time slot from ARY TV and doing this show in that time?
2) OR ARY TV itself is doing this show?

* If the answer to 1) is Yes then its ok.
* If the answer to 2) is Yes then its not ok at all and I think someone can actually sue ARY TV for religious discrimination.

[Kwremb]

Shameless show, using religion as a form of entertainment and mass consumerism. Pathetic

[ZenBowman]

I am not outraged if it is his free choice.

But what if it had been the other way round, if he had converted from Islam to Hinduism or Buddhism on public TV. Would you be okay with that as well (assuming no coercion)?

[Dolphins]

Disgusting and pathetic to say the least. Pakistanis are madly obsessed with religion and now there are going to be tv shows showing conversions. The fetish Pakistanis have for Islam has resulted in their own downfall. I highly doubt he was a Hindu to begin with, probably some poor kid who was paid to do this. I don't have problems with conversions but if it was a Muslim converting to another religion, half of Pakistan would have gathered around and would have burned the guy alive.

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman I am not outraged if it is his free choice. But what if it had been the other way round, if he had converted from Islam to Hinduism or Buddhism on public TV. Would you be okay with that as well (assuming no coercion)?

Ofcourse not. First, that will never be shown by any network for fear of their network losing all sponsors, mass demonstrations outside their studio and death threats to all the people involved with that show. Secondly, the person who will convert from Islam will become " wajib ul qatl" per religious laws. He/she will likely have to flee the country or risk being killed. The same people who are projecting it as a person's right and all will be up in arms if it's the other way around. Just goes to show the hypocrisy of our society.

[IgnitedMind]

This is a seriously a new low...A person converting to a Islam on a mainstream show....And that too during the month of Ramdaan..and that too on a religious show ...and that too on a show by somebody who only a few months back did not respect the "FREE WILL" of the couples in the Park. Sounds so genuine....the person, the timing..everything so picture perfect.

And Also goes to show the role religion plays a role in Pakistan!!!! No wonder why most religious nut heads who force religion on people are mostly from Islam..apparently as per some "educated" . For the lack of the better word....Why this fetish ...I have observed in lot of Muslims about the no. of muslims in the world..or no. of people converting is just insane......and then :facepalm at the people who are talkin about the truth...


But I hope India and its media stays away from the religious nut headed nonsense thought......but reporting is okay though...coz this nonsense deserves a little attention..its funny .

[KingKhanWC]

^ You sound very bitter, just like the Indian journalists who have written stories on this. I would request you take back your accusation "most religious nut heads who force religion on people are mostly from Islam." because I'm confident you cannot back this statement up. You're welcome to try.

[IgnitedMind]

No, I am not bitter...I am just disgusted why a mainstream tv show had to show a person from one religion converting to an another...I do not care about the guy being hindu..all hindus can convert to anything they believe for all I care.....

And why would I be bitter....The fact that you think I am bitter shows a lot about what you think about this conversion drama on Television. I have no reason to be bitter...just disgusted at the people who are supporting the conversion on national tv and proclaiming that their faith is truth and rest are'nt.....and the fact that people million miles away living in a secular country support it...its all very disgusing to be honest. I would have said the same if a muslim converted to hinduism too on national television...privately they could convert to satanism for all I care

And about the statement...Well I would like to correct it...from my experiance...most on the face religious nut heads I have seen are from islam...not saying all of them are...most of them are'nt...but of the religious nut heads I have meat..unfortunately more than fair share are from islam.......

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by navroks123 No, I am not bitter...I am just disgusted why a mainstream tv show had to show a person from one religion converting to an another...I do not care about the guy being hindu..all hindus can convert to anything they believe for all I care..... And why would I be bitter....The fact that you think I am bitter shows a lot about what you think about this conversion drama on Television. I have no reason to be bitter...just disgusted at the people who are supporting the conversion on national tv and proclaiming that their faith is truth and rest are'nt.....and the fact that people million miles away living in a secular country support it...its all very disgusing to be honest. I would have said the same if a muslim converted to hinduism too on national television...privately they could convert to satanism for all I care

In Islam Muslims are supposed to feel love for new converts. Muslims have a responsibility towards converts, helping them with their new life. Of course Muslims believe their religion is the truth, every religious persons believes the same. I don't see anything 'disgusting' about it and you have made no logical point as to why it is. Sounds like a rant, nothing else.

And about the statement...Well I would like to correct it...from my experiance...most on the face religious nut heads I have seen are from islam...not saying all of them are...most of them are'nt...but of the religious nut heads I have meat..unfortunately more than fair share are from islam.......

You are not correct and your experience doesn't count for much.

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC In Islam Muslims are supposed to feel love for new converts. Muslims have a responsibility towards converts, helping them with their new life. Of course Muslims believe their religion is the truth, every religious persons believes the same. I don't see anything 'disgusting' about it and you have made no logical point as to why it is. Sounds like a rant, nothing else. You are not correct and your experience doesn't count for much.

Sure, the love for that one convert had to be felt by Maya Khan's show...aren't 178 million people in pakistan muslims...why can't they show the love? I don't get it..what has showing "love" got to do with the show..and actually, what has showing "love " got to do with guy converting to islam...he should shown the "love" even if he was not islam....do you feel love for new converts, fellow muslims...so what if a christian from west wants to live in pakistan as a christian..and is he shown the love on national television too...because I am sure he is changing his way of life to pakistani way of life??? All I see in the show increasing more religious tensions.. marginalization of the minorities...and provoking the uneducated(well, "educated" too ) to rub their religion ...


And thanks for letting me know my opinion does not count much..here I was delusionally thinking foriegn policies of countries were changing based on my opinion. It is forum...and it is my post..and my opinion.

Everything about this is disgusting...

[Kwremb]

Originally Posted by saadibaba Ofcourse not. First, that will never be shown by any network for fear of their network losing all sponsors, mass demonstrations outside their studio and death threats to all the people involved with that show. Secondly, the person who will convert from Islam will become " wajib ul qatl" per religious laws. He/she will likely have to flee the country or risk being killed. The same people who are projecting it as a person's right and all will be up in arms if it's the other way around. Just goes to show the hypocrisy of our society.

Hypocrisy is the name of the game today

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Sure, the love for that one convert had to be felt by Maya Khan's show...aren't 178 million people in pakistan muslims...why can't they show the love? I don't get it..what has showing "love" got to do with the show..and actually, what has showing "love " got to do with guy converting to islam...he should shown the "love" even if he was not islam....do you feel love for new converts, fellow muslims...so what if a christian from west wants to live in pakistan as a christian..and is he shown the love on national television too...because I am sure he is changing his way of life to pakistani way of life??? All I see in the show increasing more religious tensions.. marginalization of the minorities...and provoking the uneducated(well, "educated" too ) to rub their religion ...

I haven't seen this show. Have you? Unless the show encouraged Muslims to target or hate other minorities then it's silly to suggest they are provoking anything towards minorities. Hindu's have been converting to Islam by millions for centuries, nothing new now.

There is no such thing as a Pakistani way of life but there is a Muslim way of life, it's called Islam. As I said Muslims have a responsibility to help new converts, the more people know who is a convert the more chance of him/her being helped, common sense really. Muslims do feel a sense of happiness if someone converts to Islam as we believe it's the truth, there is no shame in this and there is no need to apologise.

And thanks for letting me know my opinion does not count much..here I was delusionally thinking foriegn policies of countries were changing based on my opinion. It is forum...and it is my post..and my opinion.

You made a sweeping statement about Islam but since you couldn't back it up, now say it's your experience. You're personal experience doesn't count for much in regards to this statement. Next time it may help if you made your posts clear, it's your experience and your opinion. Then it adds all the context needed.

[pakistanalltheway]

Mashallah

[vcool80]

Originally Posted by navroks123 No, I am not bitter...I am just disgusted why a mainstream tv show had to show a person from one religion converting to an another...I do not care about the guy being hindu..all hindus can convert to anything they believe for all I care..... And why would I be bitter....The fact that you think I am bitter shows a lot about what you think about this conversion drama on Television. I have no reason to be bitter...just disgusted at the people who are supporting the conversion on national tv and proclaiming that their faith is truth and rest are'nt.....and the fact that people million miles away living in a secular country support it...its all very disgusing to be honest. I would have said the same if a muslim converted to hinduism too on national television...privately they could convert to satanism for all I care And about the statement...Well I would like to correct it...from my experiance...most on the face religious nut heads I have seen are from islam...not saying all of them are...most of them are'nt...but of the religious nut heads I have meat..unfortunately more than fair share are from islam.......

A Muslim openly converting to Hinduism is like inviting death from indoctrinated Muslims. They will do the justice just like how justice served in arabian deserts. lynch,hang,crush it is your choice. murtad(apostates) usually does not reveal their apostasy as their own family members(most are brainwashed,tribal,medieval) can cut him/her into pieces.

However, I must say, apostates from Islam will not generally find Hinduism a choice than Christianity. unless the Muslim can understand Vedic culture and other aspects of Hinduism.

I believe Christianity will take on Islam in Arab lands in coming decades.

there are many web sources now, which discusses Islam like faithfreedom.org which cannot be tolerated by extreme religious ones. all fanatics must fear Internet as it offers a new way to air views about religions. be it any religion.

[Yuri]

Hindu converting into Muslim is not even a news,I don't understand why the channel chose to dedicate a show on this. The only reason I find is that there is a huge audience who actually want to see this stuff.
I have always found that Muslims and Christians get very excited about these conversions...an aggressive approach at spreading their religion.

[hayat]

“This has caused sadness in our community as it does not set a good example. Such shows will increase pressure on our community,” Amarnath Randhawa of the Lahore-based Hindu Sudhar Sabha said.

How so?

Originally Posted by vcool80 ... I believe Christianity will take on Islam in Arab lands in coming decades. there are many web sources now, which discusses Islam like faithfreedom.org which cannot be tolerated by extreme religious ones. all fanatics must fear Internet as it offers a new way to air views about religions. be it any religion.

You'll see more non-Muslims converting to Islam, be it in Arab-land or elsewhere, than the opposite, God willing. Islam's the fastest growing religion in many a region today anyway.

faithfreedom.org is a cesspool of filth and an insult to the intellect of sane Muslims. Only Islamophobes and those weak of faith would feel entertained by the fanatics at FF.

Ps. do visit this site. If not you then someone might have their Q[s] answered.

[vcool80]

interesting..
My wife calls me kafir…..I wish I die.
http://www.interfaithshaadi.org/blog/?p=335

[LethalSami]

20,000 people revert to islam in USA in a year....

so how is this even new??

though, Congrats on coming to the right side

[Down2Earth]

the reaction of some posters here is priceless. It's a private matter and if he wants to announce his conversion to islam on tv, then good for him...

[Animal]

It's pretty evident why non-Muslims convert in Pakistan. Not for 'love' of the religion but to have a life where they are not constantly discriminated against, their daughters not forcefully kidnapped and worse, and just for the basic respect that one should accord to another human being. As a poster above put it - Pakistanis (esp those residing in secular democratic countries) have turned Islam into a fetish.

[saadibaba]

^^^

I agree. In fact, if I were in this guy's place,i.e. a poor Hindu in today's Pakistan, where every minority is under attack, where not only people from other religions are under threat but people of the same religion but of minority sects are being killed regularly, the decision to convert would be an easy one as it would make my survival more likely. Being poor is hard enough and if one is from a minority sect or religion, the chances of having a peaceful life are even less. I am not saying this particular guy converted because of that, but it would make sense to do so. We have created an environment where people from other religions are considered third class citizen. There rights are violated, there places of worship are destroyed and they are forcefully converted. In such a bigoted environment, how can one celebrate the conversion of a minority when it's clearly evident that conversion in our society at a basic level are the best way to protect oneself from discrimination and prosecution.

[moumotta]

The real issue here is not conversion. The issue is turning it into a scripted reality show and that to my mind speaks volumes about the society and the audience it is directed to.

The other question to consider is how much air time would have been allowed if it was conversion to another religion or even to a 'less popular' sect of Islam.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by moumotta The real issue here is not conversion. The issue is turning it into a scripted reality show and that to my mind speaks volumes about the society and the audience it is directed to. The other question to consider is how much air time would have been allowed if it was conversion to another religion or even to a 'less popular' sect of Islam.

It's just this point I find a little distasteful towards minorities. Otherwise religious conversion is an individual choice, and I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

[James]

It's not really up to us to judge this guy's path in life. I hope this latest decision works out for him.

[withlovefrom vizag]

any one is free to chose his religion,but making it a part of entertainment and telecasting it is pathetic and the craziest part abt is that most of the guys are supporting it

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Animal It's pretty evident why non-Muslims convert in Pakistan. Not for 'love' of the religion but to have a life where they are not constantly discriminated against, their daughters not forcefully kidnapped and worse, and just for the basic respect that one should accord to another human being. As a poster above put it - Pakistanis (esp those residing in secular democratic countries) have turned Islam into a fetish.

I think I was probably the first one who mentioned that Pakistan seems to have an obsession with religion these days, but I don't agree that life is anything like as bad as the picture you are painting where minorities live in fear.

All this religious show boating is more defensive than anything else in my opinion. With Islam under constant attack all around the world, it seems as though muslim countries feel the need to counter with their own propaganda and stunts like this are the result.

[DoosraTeesra]

Ansar Burney sueing Maya Khan for 10 million sterling pounds.

http://www.aaj.tv/2012/07/ansar-burn...-on-live-show/

[sa88]

This sort of thing should not be done on television. Religion is a personal matter. Turning something as personal as this into a public, and quite frankly garish, spectacle only cheapens the whole thing.

[shahrukh619]

Thx DT..

Yet again poor stuff from maya khan. Really hate her

[QazzarFan]

Originally Posted by LethalSami 20,000 people revert to islam in USA in a year.... so how is this even new?? though, Congrats on coming to the right side

What's with this obsession with numbers? sounds like you're selling a car man! If numbers give you strength then why are jews one of the most influential, wealthy and intellectual group on earth?


Any idea on the number of people who left Islam? There are no statistics regarding that as it is done in private partly due to fear of repercussion without any mass celebration and LIVE TV showboating.

Originally Posted by hayat You'll see more non-Muslims converting to Islam, be it in Arab-land or elsewhere, than the opposite, God willing. Islam's the fastest growing religion in many a region today anyway.

Without a link to a source of information that backs this up this statement is based on an erroneous assumption. Rising population per capita could also attribute to the growth rate of certain religion. Also growth rate of Islam in the West could be attributed to new immigrants settling in the country. There are substantive claims that many Muslims are converting to Christianity, and secular agnosticism and atheism. Hard and fast stats in any direction will be problematic.

In Pakistan and in many other Islamic countries, for instance, the numbers of atheists and agnostics are growing at an unprecedented rate which naturally points to the fact that lot of people are leaving Islam as well. Off course there are no official statistics on this and is simply presumed.

[bobwoolmersarmy]

^^
some people are burning

[akheR]

Originally Posted by QazzarFan In Pakistan and in many other Islamic countries, for instance, the numbers of atheists and agnostics are growing at an unprecedented rate which naturally points to the fact that lot of people are leaving Islam as well. Off course there are no official statistics on this and is simply presumed.

lol.

[KingKhanWC]

I thought I posted the video in the morning, must have been dreaming.



A 5 min piece in an Islamic show, very nicely done with a great set. Can't see what the problem is.

[withlovefrom vizag]

Somethings never change like the mentality of pakistani muslims
Now dont get me wrong that i'm jealous (LoL) in seeing a hindu converting to islam!

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by James It's not really up to us to judge this guy's path in life. I hope this latest decision works out for him.

Thats not the point, is it (and you very well know it). The point is not about conversion at all. I am not sure why all of a sudden you have changed your whole personality on this forum and ae very muted (and sometimes biased) in your views

[oyei]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag Somethings never change like the mentality of pakistani muslims

elaborate please, close to 180 million Muslims reside in Pakistan, do you wish to see the change in every Muslim characteristic attitude of mind, or way of thinking? majority of the people here agree, that Maya Khan has used this as a promotional tool, and it shouldn't be broadcast. But all we know that this person has reverted to Islam, and as muslims we should welcome him as it is taught according to the teaching of Islam. Now please tell me what change of mentality are you talking about here? your statement is a generalized statement out of inherited teaching and constant display of media to demeaned anything that has to do with Pakistan, or Pakistani Muslims, so i guess i understand this generalized statement from a Indian brother with limited capacity of intelligent thought.

and ofcourse this "generalized" syndrome exist on both side of the border, i am sure you will find some Idiot from my side of the border making generalized statement, such as, all hindu drinks cow **** to cure themselves....blah blah.

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag Now dont get me wrong that i'm jealous (LoL) in seeing a hindu converting to islam!

If you are not, thn why even bother to post here? Now please don't get me wrong, and start ranting that it is a free world, and you have right to post wherever you wish to post, you certainly do, so keep on posting.

[withlovefrom vizag]

^^^atleast i can say that,majority of pakistanis on PP see no problem in religious conversion on live TV

[Markhor]

Originally Posted by sa88 This sort of thing should not be done on television. Religion is a personal matter. Turning something as personal as this into a public, and quite frankly garish, spectacle only cheapens the whole thing.

I agree with this. I'm uncomfortable with making one's religion a spectacle out of on national television.

A conversion should be made in a mosque with the imam and quietly done, not in front of television cameras. The host of this programme seems to have a reputation also of exploiting people's personal stories for ratings.

[James]

Originally Posted by Indiafan Thats not the point, is it (and you very well know it). The point is not about conversion at all. I am not sure why all of a sudden you have changed your whole personality on this forum and ae very muted (and sometimes biased) in your views

I don't see why or how I have changed my personality. If you look at many threads including the recent apostate vs hypocrite thread I am just as concerned over individual liberties and just as dubious of religion as I always was.

Unless you can tell me what the 'point' of the story of the OP is, I don't know why you have tried to start a dialogue with me here. There's no evidence to suggest that this was a conversion under duress. If we use plain guesses to suit our own agendas we aren't respecting what is probably the young man's personal choice. That it is paraded on TV is pathetic obviously.

NB I hope your current perception of me isn't based on my winding up of some of your younger countrymen on the Cricket forum. I've always done that.

Or if you have wondered why my posts are shorter these days it's because my only current Internet access is on a smartphone.

[mithun_minhas]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC I thought I posted the video in the morning, must have been dreaming. A 5 min piece in an Islamic show, very nicely done with a great set. Can't see what the problem is.

That kid is not able to repeat what the Mullah is asking him to say