Umar Akmal vs Suresh Raina

[par]

Originally Posted by velu umar akmal will easily take our vacant No 4 slot in our team in ODIs.. averaging 39 with sr of 84 is more than decent

The same no 4 slot which, when Tendulkar or Yuvraj Singh comes back, will not be available, right?

[velu]

Originally Posted by par The same no 4 slot which, when Tendulkar or Yuvraj Singh comes back, will not be available, right?

what vacant slot mean ??

[par]

Originally Posted by velu what vacant slot mean ??

Indian bowling?

[velu]

Originally Posted by par Indian bowling?

read what you quoted properly

[Amar786]

WOW nobody mentioned that raina had been dropped in both matches he made 50 runs.

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by Bushroda Viewing things from behind the blinkered glass...huh??? Please do share those records that say that Umar is better than Raina. Let me sum it up for you. Number of ODI runs: Raina(3641) > Umar(1924) Number of ODI hundreds: Raina(3) > Umar(1) ODI Average: Umar(38.48) > Raina(35.34) ODI Strike Rate: Raina(93.43) > Umar(84.6) Majority of Stats are in Raina's favor. However, stats never tell you the true picture. In a situation where team needs 90 runs of last 10 overs with 5 wkts in hand, Raina would be the obvious choice of majority PPers. Not Umar.

RAINA HAS PLAYED 130 INNINGS AND UMAR 59 INNINGS

3641- 1924 = 1717


UMAR AKMAL HAS 15 FIFTIES AND RAINA 24 FIFTIES UMAR HAS PLAYED 71 INNINGS LESS ALTHOUGH RAINA HAS TWO HUNDREDS MORE IT CAME AGAINST BANGLADESH AND HONG KONG HIS THIRD CAME AGAINST SRI LANKA WHICH SRI LANKA WON THE MATCH

UMAR AKMAL HAS A HIGHER AVERAGE AND THE HAS A NOT OUT EVERY SIX GAMES UNLIKE RAINA WHO HAS A NOT OUT EVERY 5TH GAME

strike raina wins

Overall UMAR WINS

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by Amar786 RAINA HAS PLAYED 130 INNINGS AND UMAR 59 INNINGS 3641- 1924 = 1717 UMAR AKMAL HAS 15 FIFTIES AND RAINA 24 FIFTIES UMAR HAS PLAYED 71 INNINGS LESS ALTHOUGH RAINA HAS TWO HUNDREDS MORE IT CAME AGAINST BANGLADESH AND HONG KONG HIS THIRD CAME AGAINST SRI LANKA WHICH SRI LANKA WON THE MATCH UMAR AKMAL HAS A HIGHER AVERAGE AND THE HAS A NOT OUT EVERY SIX GAMES UNLIKE RAINA WHO HAS A NOT OUT EVERY 5TH GAME strike raina wins Overall UMAR WINS

PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CAPSLOCK..

Some valid points raised though..

[Bullet Drive]

Also take out Raina's stats against minnows and his average will drop even lower than what it is. Even now it isn't all that.

[Bushroda]

Originally Posted by Amar786 RAINA HAS PLAYED 130 INNINGS AND UMAR 59 INNINGS 3641- 1924 = 1717 UMAR AKMAL HAS 15 FIFTIES AND RAINA 24 FIFTIES UMAR HAS PLAYED 71 INNINGS LESS ALTHOUGH RAINA HAS TWO HUNDREDS MORE IT CAME AGAINST BANGLADESH AND HONG KONG HIS THIRD CAME AGAINST SRI LANKA WHICH SRI LANKA WON THE MATCH UMAR AKMAL HAS A HIGHER AVERAGE AND THE HAS A NOT OUT EVERY SIX GAMES UNLIKE RAINA WHO HAS A NOT OUT EVERY 5TH GAME strike raina wins Overall UMAR WINS

In 130 Innings, Raina has faced 3948 balls. On an average he faces nearly 30 balls per match. Whereas, Akmal has faced 2274 balls in 59 innings. He gets to face an average of nearly 39 balls every match. So, no brainer here if Akmal has more fifties on average as he gets to face more deliveries aswell.

In 130 innings, Raina has remained not out 27 times whereas Akmal has remained not out 9 times out of 59 innings. So, clearly Raina is a better finisher than Akmal.

Umar Akmal has an average higher by only 2.5 runs but a strike rate lower than Raina by 9 runs. Marvan Attapattu also has an ODI average higher than Jayasuriya/Sehwag/Gichrist. Does he become better ODI Player than these greats?

We don't expect Raina to score a 50 when he only gets to the crease @ 41st or 42nd over. We expect him to score quick runs which he does in elantic manner. Quite often, he is required to bail out the team from crunch situations with only tailenders left and he does that more than often.

[leatherface58]

Just because the dude was dropped, his innings' quality loses its shine? he was dropped but went on to help his team win. thats all that matters. umar is more talented. raina is more accomplished at this point. umar isnt really a cowlasher although he can be a good strokemaker. to accomodate yk, umar is being wasted at no 6. hell exchange their places if the captain is adamant on keeping yk. yk iirc got his last 50 batting at 5 or 6.

raina contributes to his team in whatever way he can. doesnt really care for strokes. he is much like an enforcer. not afraid to look ugly in order to get the job done. a fine odi player indeed. his outstanding fielding could be considered as saving 10-15 runs every game almost.

[leatherface58]

double post

[Amar786]

In 130 Innings, Raina has faced 3948 balls. On an average he faces nearly 30 balls per match. Whereas, Akmal has faced 2274 balls in 59 innings. He gets to face an average of nearly 39 balls every match. So, no brainer here if Akmal has more fifties on average as he gets to face more deliveries aswell.

Akmal also occupies the crease more unlike raina but still people rate raina more how unsuprising. People accuse umar of throwing his wicket away but still you are showing he is a better player.


In 130 innings, Raina has remained not out 27 times whereas Akmal has remained not out 9 times out of 59 innings. So, clearly Raina is a better finisher than Akmal.

Thats why raina strike rate is higher and his average is lower than akmals

3699 divided by 130 = 28 so raina average is 28 if you take out the not outs

1924 divided by 59 = 32 it shows you umar is more consistant then raina


Umar Akmal has an average higher by only 2.5 runs but a strike rate lower than Raina by 9 runs. Marvan Attapattu also has an ODI average higher than Jayasuriya/Sehwag/Gichrist. Does he become better ODI Player than these greats?

84 is not a bad strike rate do you mean to say raina is better than dhoni, sachin, kohli, ponting because he has a better strike rate if yes then for you afridi is the best player because he has a strike rate of 112. I have told you why raina has a higher strike rate due to more not outs or you could say due to extra lives. even rohit sharma would have scored 50 if he was given a second life.

We don't expect Raina to score a 50 when he only gets to the crease @ 41st or 42nd over. We expect him to score quick runs which he does in elantic manner. Quite often, he is required to bail out the team from crunch situations with only tailenders left and he does that more than often.

Thats why he has three hundreds how come he got no hundred playing away from home? it shows you how good he is he got an average of 30 playing away from home. Umar got an average of 35

Against AUS an average of 19
Against BANG an average of 120
Against ENG an average of 39
Against NEW ZEALAND an average 62
Against PAK an average 60
Against SA an average 19
Against SRI LANKA an average 29
Against WI an average 18
Against ZIM an average 20

Umar akmal

v Australia 37.40
v Bangladesh 34.80
v England 25.00
v India 29.00
v Ireland 60.00
v New Zealand 18.80
v Sri Lanka 46.57
v West Indies 35.50
v Zimbabwe 36.00

Raina stats away from home
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;type=allround[/QUOTE]

Umar stats away from home
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;type=allround

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by Bushroda In 130 Innings, Raina has faced 3948 balls. On an average he faces nearly 30 balls per match. Whereas, Akmal has faced 2274 balls in 59 innings. He gets to face an average of nearly 39 balls every match. So, no brainer here if Akmal has more fifties on average as he gets to face more deliveries aswell. In 130 innings, Raina has remained not out 27 times whereas Akmal has remained not out 9 times out of 59 innings. So, clearly Raina is a better finisher than Akmal. Umar Akmal has an average higher by only 2.5 runs but a strike rate lower than Raina by 9 runs. Marvan Attapattu also has an ODI average higher than Jayasuriya/Sehwag/Gichrist. Does he become better ODI Player than these greats? We don't expect Raina to score a 50 when he only gets to the crease @ 41st or 42nd over. We expect him to score quick runs which he does in elantic manner. Quite often, he is required to bail out the team from crunch situations with only tailenders left and he does that more than often.

You did not see the contradiction in your statement here

[Singham]

Whatever the stats are...I am yet to see Umar akmal play a match winning knocks like Raina does often.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Singham Whatever the stats are...I am yet to see Umar akmal play a match winning knocks like Raina does often.

Yet to play one , inspite of getting a million opportunities .

[IAJ]

Both are talented, no doubt about that.

One of the advantages Umar's got is that he can keep as well

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK You did not see the contradiction in your statement here

He did not say that. He was replying to a post.

[LastLaugh_PK]

It is tough to compare batsmen from India and Pak.. because the teams are set up differently. If we have to win we rely on our bowlers.. meaning our batsmen usually will not play match-winning innings..

But for India to win their batsmen would have to finish the games hence Raina has a better match-winning innings record as compared to Akmal.

Now you won't be comparing the number of times Ajmal has won a match to someone like Ashwin/Ojha etc.

[Bullet Drive]

Umar Akmal in won chases averages 95
Raina in won chases averages 68

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK It is tough to compare batsmen from India and Pak.. because the teams are set up differently. If we have to win we rely on our bowlers.. meaning our batsmen usually will not play match-winning innings.. But for India to win their batsmen would have to finish the games hence Raina has a better match-winning innings record as compared to Akmal. Now you won't be comparing the number of times Ajmal has won a match to someone like Ashwin/Ojha etc.

We are not saying Ashwin/Ojha are better than Ajmal are we ? like wise Akmal is no comparison to Raina .

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Umar Akmal in won chases averages 95 Raina in won chases averages 68

lol Pak has barely won a match chasing , probabaly never anything more than 270 since Akmal has arrived . That stat is not relavent .

[Buffet]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK It is tough to compare batsmen from India and Pak.. because the teams are set up differently. If we have to win we rely on our bowlers.. meaning our batsmen usually will not play match-winning innings.. But for India to win their batsmen would have to finish the games hence Raina has a better match-winning innings record as compared to Akmal. Now you won't be comparing the number of times Ajmal has won a match to someone like Ashwin/Ojha etc.

You can compare and come to conclusion that Ajmal is lot more valuable to Pakistan as compared to Ashwin/Ojha due to his performance. Having said that it helps a lot to have few great batsmen or bowlers playing alongside.

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by jusarrived lol Pak has barely won a match chasing , probabaly never anything more than 270 since Akmal has arrived . That stat is not relavent .

This stat shows Umar does his bit, its up to the rest of the batsman. Remember cricket is a team game.

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by jusarrived lol Pak has barely won a match chasing , probabaly never anything more than 270 since Akmal has arrived . That stat is not relavent .

& how is it not relevant? It shows you matches we have won

[amlafan79]

well u brought up the average stat.. mind sharing the no of times he won stat too ?
and plz adjust minnows thnx

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by amlafan79 well u brought up the average stat.. mind sharing the no of times he won stat too ? and plz adjust minnows thnx

I have. In WON chases Umar averages 95. In WON chases Raina averages 68.

[amlafan79]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive I have. In WON chases Umar averages 95. In WON chases Raina averages 68.

number of matches......

[amlafan79]

there is a good reason why they have a lower limit or minimum no of matches tht u need to play/win (here ) to qualify in some stats
like in last game they were showing kohli doesn ot features in highest average records cos he hasnt been part in 50 +chases just 37 they told us anyway tht his avg is 75

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by amlafan79 well u brought up the average stat.. mind sharing the no of times he won stat too ? and plz adjust minnows thnx

Originally Posted by amlafan79 number of matches......

Very hard to understand when you type this way.

& 16 games

[Sandeep99]

Originally Posted by amlafan79 there is a good reason why they have a lower limit or minimum no of matches tht u need to play/win (here ) to qualify in some stats like in last game they were showing kohli doesn ot features in highest average records cos he hasnt been part in 50 +chases just 37 they told us anyway tht his avg is 75

this.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by jusarrived lol Pak has barely won a match chasing , probabaly never anything more than 270 since Akmal has arrived . That stat is not relavent .

That doesn't even make sense.. The right statistic would be how many times our bowling line has allowed the other team to score more than 270 and then Umar failed miserably to contribute to the run chase.

And as you said Pak never wins anything while chasing.. well two examples from the WC.. We won against the Aussies and Windies. Both times the opposition were only able to get a very moderate score. Thats what I meant if we have to win our bowling needs to click, whereas for India it is the batsman that win the matches.

Nothing is ever black and white.. there are mutliple shades to everything.

[Sandeep99]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK That doesn't even make sense.. The right statistic would be how many times our bowling line has allowed the other team to score more than 270 and then Umar failed miserably to contribute to the run chase. And as you said Pak never wins anything while chasing.. well two examples from the WC.. We won against the Aussies and Windies. Both times the opposition were only able to get a very moderate score. Thats what I meant if we have to win our bowling needs to click, whereas for India it is the batsman that win the matches. Nothing is ever black and white.. there are mutliple shades to everything.

great point made! Pakistan is blessed with good bowlers, really they need minimal assistance from their batsmen to set up wins!

[amlafan79]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Very hard to understand when you type this way. & 16 games

ya..thats why i just posted again.. sorry bad habit haha

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK That doesn't even make sense.. The right statistic would be how many times our bowling line has allowed the other team to score more than 270 and then Umar failed miserably to contribute to the run chase. And as you said Pak never wins anything while chasing.. well two examples from the WC.. We won against the Aussies and Windies. Both times the opposition were only able to get a very moderate score. Thats what I meant if we have to win our bowling needs to click, whereas for India it is the batsman that win the matches. Nothing is ever black and white.. there are mutliple shades to everything.

BD & LL_P ,

isnt that why am saying that stat is irrelevant . Tell me , which is difficlut to achieve .

a 70avg , in winning matches where your team wins 9 out of times chasing & has to chase 270+ scores every second game or a 90+ avg with a team which wins 1 out of 10 times and rarely chases anything more than 270 ?

As a ODI player , I rate Akmal ..he has a role to play , but unfortunately hes been such a let down .. I dont rely on stats . Dont need stats to tell that he chokes & is no better than rest of his team in that regard . Infact the only guys who have played match winning innings for Pak in recent yesr was Salman butt and Malik .

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Very hard to understand when you type this way. & 16 games

Alos total runs & His highest score ?

sry, dont know to use stats guru

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by jusarrived Alos total runs & His highest score ? sry, dont know to use stats guru

382 runs & 77. All scored at an SR of 94.

[amlafan79]

did not include zimbabwe and ireland..
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;type=allround

maybe im doing something wrong .. really sleepy for this

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive 382 runs & 77. All scored at an SR of 94.

So thats the only 50 hes scored chasing , where Pak has won ?

Thats the reason I dont go on stats .

[Bushroda]

Originally Posted by Amar786 Akmal also occupies the crease more unlike raina but still people rate raina more how unsuprising. People accuse umar of throwing his wicket away but still you are showing he is a better player.

Akmal occupies the crease more because he gets to come early to the crease. Thanks to Pak's fragile upper & middle order and yet he hangs in there for only 9 more deliveries than Raina (who is a slog over specialist & comes in usually at 41st or 42nd over) than he doesn't become a better player. Only that he needs introspection as to why he can't hang longer to build innings.

Originally Posted by Amar786 Thats why raina strike rate is higher and his average is lower than akmals 3699 divided by 130 = 28 so raina average is 28 if you take out the not outs 1924 divided by 59 = 32 it shows you umar is more consistant then raina

Don't really understand the maths that went behind your calculation here but, why should you take out the Not outs? It is not a batsmen's fault that he has to come at the fag end of remains Not out. There is a reason why you have averages in which case Raina has an average of 36 and Umar has 38.5.

Originally Posted by Amar786 84 is not a bad strike rate

Similarly, 36(-2.5) is not a bad average.

Originally Posted by Amar786 do you mean to say raina is better than dhoni, sachin, kohli, ponting because he has a better strike rate if yes then for you afridi is the best player because he has a strike rate of 112.

You are giving a very poor analogy here. Sachin/Ponting/Dhoni etc are established players with years of experience. Akmal/Raina are newbies in comparison.

Afridi example is really hilarious. Yes, Afridi has a strike rate of 112 but an average of only 23. Which means that if a team has 10 Afridi kinda players then that team wouldn't even be able to play entire 50 overs. It would score Max 230 runs (23*10) in 35 overs.

Originally Posted by Amar786 I have told you why raina has a higher strike rate due to more not outs or you could say due to extra lives. even rohit sharma would have scored 50 if he was given a second life.

Not Raina's fault if fielders have greasy palms. Blame the higher celestial powers for fielders giving Raina a chance & denying the same to Umar/Rohit/Whoever. You can count the number of chances, I will take the win.

Originally Posted by Amar786 Thats why he has three hundreds how come he got no hundred playing away from home? it shows you how good he is he got an average of 30 playing away from home. Umar got an average of 35

I guess you are implying Aus/Eng/SA here. Because, last I know all his 3 hundreds came playing away from home. Umar has better average in Australia & Raina has better average in England. Doesn't tells me that Raina cannot perform away from "HOME".

In the end, Raina knows his role very well in the team. When he come at the fag end of the inning, he scores quick runs. When he come at 130/4 while chasing 280, he anchors the inning. He has featured in several successful run chases for us.

Does Umar Akmal knows what he needs to do in the team?

[amlafan79]

Originally Posted by jusarrived So thats the only 50 hes scored chasing , where Pak has won ? Thats the reason I dont go on stats .

3 of his highest scores i think all came in diff years ;)
will recheck it tomorrow need sleep

[Sandeep99]

Originally Posted by Bushroda Akmal occupies the crease more because he gets to come early to the crease. Thanks to Pak's fragile upper & middle order and yet he hangs in there for only 9 more deliveries than Raina (who is a slog over specialist & comes in usually at 41st or 42nd over) than he doesn't become a better player. Only that he needs introspection as to why he can't hang longer to build innings. Don't really understand the maths that went behind your calculation here but, why should you take out the Not outs? It is not a batsmen's fault that he has to come at the fag end of remains Not out. There is a reason why you have averages in which case Raina has an average of 36 and Umar has 38.5. Similarly, 36(-2.5) is not a bad average. You are giving a very poor analogy here. Sachin/Ponting/Dhoni etc are established players with years of experience. Akmal/Raina are newbies in comparison. Afridi example is really hilarious. Yes, Afridi has a strike rate of 112 but an average of only 23. Which means that if a team has 10 Afridi kinda players then that team wouldn't even be able to play entire 50 overs. It would score Max 230 runs (23*10) in 35 overs. Not Raina's fault if fielders have greasy palms. Blame the higher celestial powers for fielders giving Raina a chance & denying the same to Umar/Rohit/Whoever. You can count the number of chances, I will take the win. I guess you are implying Aus/Eng/SA here. Because, last I know all his 3 hundreds came playing away from home. Umar has better average in Australia & Raina has better average in England. Doesn't tells me that Raina cannot perform away from "HOME". In the end, Raina knows his role very well in the team. When he come at the fag end of the inning, he scores quick runs. When he come at 130/4 while chasing 280, he anchors the inning. He has featured in several successful run chases for us. Does Umar Akmal knows what he needs to do in the team?

The ending statements are a treat to read...
Great work Sir!

[Bullet Drive]

Well if Umar got a duck I'm sure the Umar haters would be out bumping this thread and saying 'told you so' etc. Well here we are. Duck!

Malinga to Raina, OUT, 92.1 mph, Raina goes first ball, Malinga is on a hat-trick, short of a good length outside off and he plays at that one, guides it straight to first slip, remember he was dropped at slip by Mahela in the fourth ODI

[withlovefrom vizag]

^^^ so you're happy that raina got a duck.....ohh yeah

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Well if Umar got a duck I'm sure the Umar haters would be out bumping this thread and saying 'told you so' etc. Well here we are. Duck! Malinga to Raina, OUT, 92.1 mph, Raina goes first ball, Malinga is on a hat-trick, short of a good length outside off and he plays at that one, guides it straight to first slip, remember he was dropped at slip by Mahela in the fourth ODI

By your logic this post of yours make you Raina hater.

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by Zamee By your logic this post of yours make you Raina hater.

And he can't recognise talent

[amlafan79]

after 3 match winning inning in same series and duck in dead rubber does not really hurt tbh

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Well if Umar got a duck I'm sure the Umar haters would be out bumping this thread and saying 'told you so' etc. Well here we are. Duck! Malinga to Raina, OUT, 92.1 mph, Raina goes first ball, Malinga is on a hat-trick, short of a good length outside off and he plays at that one, guides it straight to first slip, remember he was dropped at slip by Mahela in the fourth ODI

There are two things I have recognized about you from all your posts here:

i)You love Umar Akmal
ii)You will blindly try to smite anyone that is being compared to Umar Akmal

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by LegCutter There are two things I have recognized about you from all your posts here: i)You love Umar Akmal ii)You will blindly try to smite anyone that is being compared to Umar Akmal

Great stuff! Great observation skills. High 5!

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by LegCutter There are two things I have recognized about you from all your posts here: i)You love Umar Akmal ii)You will blindly try to smite anyone that is being compared to Umar Akmal

Why could'nt umar haters bring up umar vs rohit sharam tread it shows you how much you hate umar.

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by LegCutter There are two things I have recognized about you from all your posts here: i)You love Umar Akmal ii)You will blindly try to smite anyone that is being compared to Umar Akmal

Not only Umar, he seems to be in love with Kamran Akmal also.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by Zamee Not only Umar, he seems to be in love with Kamran Akmal also.

Lol!

Even Kami's wife isn't in love with him

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by truthseer And he can't recognise talunt

Fixed

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by Amar786 Why could'nt umar haters bring up umar vs rohit sharam tread it shows you how much you hate umar.

Rohit Sharam? Whose that?

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by Zamee Rohit Sharam? Whose that?

The Sharam Rohit feels when he gets out

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by Zamee Rohit Sharam? Whose that?

Rohit Sharma

Why couldn't umar haters bring up umar vs rohit sharma tread .

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by Amar786 Rohit Sharma Why couldn't umar haters bring up umar vs rohit sharma tread .

Because Umar Akmal and Raina is actually a fair comparison.

[shokz1408]

Originally Posted by LegCutter Because Umar Akmal and Raina is actually a fair comparison.

Umar akmal can in no way fairly compare to any of the Indian batsmen. The indians truly have some masterclass batsmen. Seriously, Umar Akmal?? He is a nobody.

[Bullet Drive]

Umar Akmal > Raina any day in my view!

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by LegCutter Because Umar Akmal and Raina is actually a fair comparison.

A fair comparison but then why do you bring rohit vs umar thread after rohit had played one good knock early.

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by shokz1408 Umar akmal can in no way fairly compare to any of the Indian batsmen. The indians truly have some masterclass batsmen. Seriously, Umar Akmal?? He is a nobody.

Thats why a bowler like wahab riaz who cant walk into pakistan team destroyed indias great in form batting line up.

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by Amar786 Thats why a bowler like wahab riaz who cant walk into pakistan team destroyed indias great in form batting line up.

He got destroyed right back in the next game.

Kohli's 180 odd. Let's face it, India's batting is the envy of the world right now. Thank God their bowling is rubbish so things even out a bit

[Anfield]

Originally Posted by LegCutter He got destroyed right back in the next game. Kohli's 180 odd. Let's face it, India's batting is the envy of the world right now. Thank God their bowling is rubbish so things even out a bit

I agree... Why would someone not envy such a lineup which scored twice over 300 in 16 innings. Not one but twice. No easy feat!

[shokz1408]

Originally Posted by LegCutter He got destroyed right back in the next game. Kohli's 180 odd. Let's face it, India's batting is the envy of the world right now. Thank God their bowling is rubbish so things even out a bit

Even then, no matter how bad india's bowling may be, their batting can pretty much dig them out a hole; no matter how big.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by shokz1408 Even then, no matter how bad india's bowling may be, their batting can pretty much dig them out a hole; no matter how big.

Not always.. A couple of notable examples that spring to mind are 2003 WC final, Champions Trophy match against Pak..

This same so called greatest batting line in the world flounders like there is no tomorrow on any pitch that has even a hint of swing.. Remember England and Aussie tours?

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK Not always.. A couple of notable examples that spring to mind are 2003 WC final, Champions Trophy match against Pak.. This same so called greatest batting line in the world flounders like there is no tomorrow on any pitch that has even a hint of swing.. Remember England and Aussie tours?

Their rubbish bowling has balanced their batting a bit, thank God for that. Imagine if they had a topnotch bowler like Steyn or even someone like Gul; that would have put them right on the same level as Saffers.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by LegCutter Their rubbish bowling has balanced their batting a bit, thank God for that. Imagine if they had a topnotch bowler like Steyn or even someone like Gul; that would have put them right on the same level as Saffers.

Thank God for that.. But I don't think it is possible.. kids in India grow up thinking they will be the next SRT or Kohli.. nobody wants to be the next Venkatesh Prasad.. Similarly we do not have many batting idols to look up to.. hence the lack of batting talent..

[Chromeuser]

Both bats at same position & both are out of Test matches so the comparison can be made based on ODIs.
Raina has been a crucial player for India for last 5 years and has performed most of the times whenever he got chance. He has got good brain & has utilized it very well till now in ODIs. Short ball is his only problem (there are only few complete batsmen in the world right now, every batsman has some weak points, even Ganguly had problem of short ball but has done very well overall)

Coming to Umar Akmal, he might be a good batsman but he doesn't use his brain and chokes at the right time and throws his wicket. It does not matter how good player are you unless and until you make right use of your brain. Same goes for Rohit Sharma ....His talent is useless if he keeps performing in only 1 out of 15 matches.

I think Raina has won India 10 X (matches won by Umar or Rohit)

So I will prefer Raina over Umar & Rohit anyday anynight!!!

I am afraid soon this thread will be closed same like Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli thread

[leatherface58]

Lol Umar Akmal comparison thread furthers another batsman's career . I think if Umar Akmal vs Nehra thread is created, Nehra will smash a 100 on a green top at Birmingham.

[eradicator]

I was going to open a thread with comparison between Umar and Raina , thankfully it already exists.

IMO , Raina is a very under-rated batsman of the Indian team who hardly gets the credit for his consistent performances , as a match Winner he has done as good as Dhoni if not better.

Raina easily triumphs Umar Akmal as he has won so many matches for India that Umar Akmal hasnt for his team .

[Kiwi]

This is pointless every one knows Raina can't play outside the sub continent...

[Kiwi]

Raina 67 1534 84 30.07
U. Akmal 42 1127 102* 35.21
Heck Umars yet to even play a home game...

[eradicator]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Raina 67 1534 84 30.07 U. Akmal 42 1127 102* 35.21

I think the comparison is based on Odis , in which Raina has played some crucial knocks.

[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by eradicator I think the comparison is based on Odis , in which Raina has played some crucial knocks.

Those are both players figures away from home, if you saw Raina try to play the short ball in Aus/Eng you'd understand why this is such a pointless thread.

[Varun]

Who has Umar Akmal not been compared to!?

[leatherface58]

In talunt and technique, Umar >> Raina

In terms of winning games, Raina >>>> Umar

If there is a stiff run Chase going on, I would rather have Raina in the team than Umar.

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by leatherface58 In talunt and technique, Umar >> Raina In terms of winning games, Raina >>>> Umar If there is a stiff run Chase going on, I would rather have Raina in the team than Umar.

There you go. Talunt without application is useless. I'll take Raina in ODIs.

[Varun]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Those are both players figures away from home, if you saw Raina try to play the short ball in Aus/Eng you'd understand why this is such a pointless thread.

Raina plays less than an eighth of his games in Australia and England, so does that really matter? Has a decent record in England too if I recall.

I'll have him in my ODI team.

[Varun]

Both are comparable at test level though, and incidentally neither are part of their respective teams at the moment.

[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Varun Raina plays less than an eighth of his games in Australia and England, so does that really matter? Has a decent record in England too if I recall. I'll have him in my ODI team.

Just because you play and win games at homes doesn't make you a great player, its a given he's won much more games than Umar but the better batsmen is Akmal.

[Varun]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Just because you play and win games at homes doesn't make you a great player, its a given he's won much more games than Umar but the better batsmen is Akmal.

Fine, have it your way. Fair to say that your boat is far smaller, even on this Pakistani forum.