Hammad Azam and Ahmad Shehzad?

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Ok I dont understand why the hell Hammad Azam and Ahmed Shehzad were dropped from the t20 squad...we need a strong batting line and both of them are dynamites...this is soooo unfair! What do you say on this?

[Ayyubjavvs]

Hammad has zero performance since 2010. Yes he was unfortunate to be dropped after a couple of decent innings but he was fortunate just to get to the squad

Shehzad apparently had bad attitude, I think he's unfortunate as test and tested Imran Nazir is back

[Justcrazy]

poor decision. Pakistan should be looking to groom players , and not drop them. You have to look forward. Azam can be a good batting all rounder. Needs to be played more.

[Down2Earth]

well Iqbal qasim's back and he can't live without tested players. That's why Imran nazir, Kamran akmal and sami are back along with the expired Razzaq

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Hammad has zero performance since 2010. Yes he was unfortunate to be dropped after a couple of decent innings but he was fortunate just to get to the squad Shehzad apparently had bad attitude, I think he's unfortunate as test and tested Imran Nazir is back

So we drop Hammad because he was fortunate to get selected? Biggest nonsense I've heard in some time.

He was one of the stars of the 2010 U-19 world cup. I don't see how him getting selected was 'unfortunate'. He earned his right to get selected and as you say he's performed 'decently'. How can you drop a 20 year old who has performed 'decently'?

[chui_kadoo]

Simple Answer. Imran Nazir is a better T20 player than Shezad and has been in great form lately so thats why Shezad's not picked.

Imran Nazir was picked on merit and about damm time too.

Imran Nazir is a much better fielder too and fielding will be key in the T20 format.

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive So we drop Hammad because he was fortunate to get selected? Biggest nonsense I've heard in some time. He was one of the stars of the 2010 U-19 world cup. I don't see how him getting selected was 'unfortunate'. He earned his right to get selected and as you say he's performed 'decently'. How can you drop a 20 year old who has performed 'decently'?

Hammad's last notable performance was in August 2010 when he scored 63 against Sri Lanka A. Since then in 2 years he has literally done nothing at any level while the likes of Anwar Ali, Yasir Arafat, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, Sohail Tanveer and Rana Naved ul Hasan have performed their socks off in leagues over the world

Hitting Ravi Bopara for six and scoring 30 runs here and there is good and Hammad was unfortunate to be dropped but he didn't deserve selection in the first place so it balances out. I'll be delighted when he does perform in FC and wins a place back InshaAllah but I think selection was much too early

[Green]

It is unfortunate that we never prepare today for tomorrow.

Talented youth like Shehzad is snubbed instead of being groomed.

[Riff]

Whats the need of Shahzad when you have Nazir?

Whats the need of Hammad when you have Tanvir?

[LastLaugh_PK]

Was looking at Haris Sohail's videos on youtube.. That kid has some serious talent.. He could be our finisher in LOIs.. but fatty had to drop him without even giving a chance for players who are over the hill..

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by Riff Whats the need of Shahzad when you have Nazir? Whats the need of Hammad when you have Tanvir?

I agree with you totally.

[LegCutter]

If we had selected Shehzad, people would have been crying 'Where is Nazir'

Now that we have selected Nazir, peopel are crying 'Where is Shehzad'

Such is the life of a selector

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Hammad's last notable performance was in August 2010 when he scored 63 against Sri Lanka A. Since then in 2 years he has literally done nothing at any level while the likes of Anwar Ali, Yasir Arafat, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, Sohail Tanveer and Rana Naved ul Hasan have performed their socks off in leagues over the world Hitting Ravi Bopara for six and scoring 30 runs here and there is good and Hammad was unfortunate to be dropped but he didn't deserve selection in the first place so it balances out. I'll be delighted when he does perform in FC and wins a place back InshaAllah but I think selection was much too early

Youve totally missed the point, yes maybe his domestic performances havent been upto the mark but once any team selects a player based on whatever criteria (talent in hammads case) you must give him enough opportunities before discarding him

Hammad has never really been given a chance in the last yr or so whilst being regularly in the squad How can you suddenly axe some1 whos been part of multiple squads with him doing nothing much wrong?

Its the same thing over and over again with pakistan -dropping young players unfairly without giving them a proper chance and then selecting the tried and tested rubbish over and over again

[Acim]

Two of the most talented young players in Pak who at times have shown that they also have the temperament for international stage. Both of them haven't helped themselves with inconsistent performances but haven't been given proper/consistent chances as well specially Hammad.

I would persist with them in shorter formats for now even if they are inconsistent as they clearly have all the credentials to be successful at the international level and be match winners as Australia did with Watson when he was new to the side.

[The Muppets XI]

Because the Pakistan management do not look to the future but instead stick to the current and past. The more mediocre the better.

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Zaz Youve totally missed the point, yes maybe his domestic performances havent been upto the mark but once any team selects a player based on whatever criteria (talent in hammads case) you must give him enough opportunities before discarding him Hammad has never really been given a chance in the last yr or so whilst being regularly in the squad How can you suddenly axe some1 whos been part of multiple squads with him doing nothing much wrong? Its the same thing over and over again with pakistan -dropping young players unfairly without giving them a proper chance and then selecting the tried and tested rubbish over and over again

Yes but by that yardstick every player like Usman Salahuddin and Sadaf Hussain and Fawad Alam and even till recently Asad Shafiq has been hard done by

[Zaz]

Just cos it happens with everyone doesnt make it right

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by Zaz Just cos it happens with everyone doesnt make it right

What about Imran Nazir? What wrong has he done that he shouldve been left out for Shehzad?

[Green]

Originally Posted by LegCutter What about Imran Nazir? What wrong has he done that he shouldve been left out for Shehzad?

Nazir was not in the team to begin with.
He wouldn't be 'left out', as he was never 'in'.

Shehzad was in the team for 2 T20's after a gap, from the national side, of a year; he does the best out of both teams in one of the matches.

PCB logic: Drop him.

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by Green Nazir was not in the team to begin with. He wouldn't be 'left out', as he was never 'in'. Shehzad was in the team for 2 T20's after a gap, from the national side, of a year; he does the best out of both teams in one of the matches. PCB logic: Drop him.

I dont know about his T20 form, but his ODI form was absolutely atrocious. I personally dont mind him not being selected, I feel Imran Nazir is going to do a much better job than he could have had, and I would trust Razzaq's experience over Hammad Azam in this situation as well.

[Green]

Originally Posted by LegCutter I dont know about his T20 form, but his ODI form was absolutely atrocious. I personally dont mind him not being selected, I feel Imran Nazir is going to do a much better job than he could have had, and I would trust Razzaq's experience over Hammad Azam in this situation as well.

Well then I suggest you find out, because the matches in Sri Lanka clearly supported his inclusion for the T20 world cup.

As for ODI's; I agree he had a terrible world cup, but he did score a century in the last series he played.

Although he didn't manage any other substantial score, surely inconsistency is something that he will overcome with time IN the national side.

I mean, how many 20 year olds with 2 centuries do we have waiting in line anyways?

[Ismailtoca]

Originally Posted by Green Nazir was not in the team to begin with. He wouldn't be 'left out', as he was never 'in'. Shehzad was in the team for 2 T20's after a gap, from the national side, of a year; he does the best out of both teams in one of the matches. PCB logic: Drop him.

Same thing with Azam. He was superb in the U19 WC, and then he didnt look troubled against the English in UAE either. Should allow him to make the team

If we do look at the other side though, I trust in Whatmore, and I feel that if he felt strongly about Azam or Shehzad, they would have made the team

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Ismailtoca Same thing with Azam. He was superb in the U19 WC, and then he didnt look troubled against the English in UAE either. Should allow him to make the team If we do look at the other side though, I trust in Whatmore, and I feel that if he felt strongly about Azam or Shehzad, they would have made the team

Yes but in 2 years in between Hammad did nothing of note. We have performing talented youngsters like Babar Azam, Anwar Ali, Ahmed Shehzad and many others. But why does Hammad who has hardly any achievement in 2 years get the preference from fans? Yes Hammad has talent but to date he has none of the performance.

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Hammad has zero performance since 2010. Yes he was unfortunate to be dropped after a couple of decent innings but he was fortunate just to get to the squad Shehzad apparently had bad attitude, I think he's unfortunate as test and tested Imran Nazir is back

ok really bad attitude shouldn/t matter...look at the batting...I mean every1 knows Virat Kohli/s attitude but he isnt dropped for that....Shehzad did barely anything!

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Yes but in 2 years in between Hammad did nothing of note. We have performing talented youngsters like Babar Azam, Anwar Ali, Ahmed Shehzad and many others. But why does Hammad who has hardly any achievement in 2 years get the preference from fans? Yes Hammad has talent but to date he has none of the performance.

If he was given chances he can perform...and will!

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by ShahidAfridiLover ok really bad attitude shouldn/t matter...look at the batting...I mean every1 knows Virat Kohli/s attitude but he isnt dropped for that....Shehzad did barely anything!

Yes I agree :13

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo Simple Answer. Imran Nazir is a better T20 player than Shezad and has been in great form lately so thats why Shezad's not picked. Imran Nazir was picked on merit and about damm time too. Imran Nazir is a much better fielder too and fielding will be key in the T20 format.

yes but shehzad is better than Asad Shafiq 4 T20 uz Asad shafiq wastes a lot of balls!

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by Zaz Youve totally missed the point, yes maybe his domestic performances havent been upto the mark but once any team selects a player based on whatever criteria (talent in hammads case) you must give him enough opportunities before discarding him Hammad has never really been given a chance in the last yr or so whilst being regularly in the squad How can you suddenly axe some1 whos been part of multiple squads with him doing nothing much wrong? Its the same thing over and over again with pakistan -dropping young players unfairly without giving them a proper chance and then selecting the tried and tested rubbish over and over again

That should be the case for every youngster. And the players are performing after being discarded deserve chance more. So why only shout for Hammad?

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by sunnykhan That should be the case for every youngster. And the players are performing after being discarded deserve chance more. So why only shout for Hammad?

Whos only shouting for hammad? This thread is about hammad and shezad thats why there names are being mentioned more than others?

Im sure if u open up a thread on shahzaib people will talk more about him than others

[LastLaugh_PK]

LOL people rooting for Shahzaid

That guy has a technique worse than a gully cricketer..

[jusarrived]

Hammad seems to have regressed as a batsmen since i saw him last , but still deserves a longer run .

[Green]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK LOL people rooting for Shahzaid That guy has a technique worse than a gully cricketer..

LOL who's Shahzaid?

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by Green LOL who's Shahzaid?

LOL meant to write Shahzaib..

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by Zaz Whos only shouting for hammad? This thread is about hammad and shezad thats why there names are being mentioned more than others? Im sure if u open up a thread on shahzaib people will talk more about him than others

Al right but I still need to know Hammad's performances. Not complaining about Shehzad at all.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK LOL people rooting for Shahzaid That guy has a technique worse than a gully cricketer..

Yet hi scores more runs than most of the technically correct batsmen in the country

[disc]

Hammad bowling lets him down, he needs to increase his bowling speed,

[Dolphins]

Sorry but Hammad sucks. Ahmed Shehzad needs to be brought back, knock some sense into him and he could be a poor man's Virat Kohli.

[LegCutter]

A poor man's Virat Kohli, and a poor man's Razzaq are the best way to describe these two.

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by LegCutter A poor man's Virat Kohli, and a poor man's Razzaq are the best way to describe these two.

A poor man's Kohli & a poor man's Mathews. Thisara Perera & Maharoof reminds me more of Abdulrazzaq

[IM NOT YOU]

Originally Posted by Riff Whats the need of Shahzad when you have Nazir? Whats the need of Hammad when you have Tanvir?

tanvir is bowler that can barely bat


hammad is batting allrounder with potential in his bowling




a more appropriate comparison is hammad to razzaq. hammad wins based on age and ability to stand tall under pressure of falling wickets




comparing hammad with tanvir is flawed.

[IM NOT YOU]

Originally Posted by LegCutter A poor man's Virat Kohli, and a poor man's Razzaq are the best way to describe these two.

kohli has played 89 ODIs and IPL experience helps a lot playing over and over again against the same bowlers like malinga



shehzad has 19 ODIs...........how is it far to label ahmed?




hammad is like 4 years old can we let him grow a little before slapping on "poor man" comparisons





some guys here are HARSH! we treat upcoming youngsters like crap and give oldie grandpas 100000 chances

[ShahidAfridiLover]

the need is that u've got Asad Shafiq who wastes a trillion balls>>>>Shehzad and an allrounder who barely performs Malik>>>>>Hammad

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU kohli has played 89 ODIs and IPL experience helps a lot playing over and over again against the same bowlers like malinga shehzad has 19 ODIs...........how is it far to label ahmed? hammad is like 4 years old can we let him grow a little before slapping on "poor man" comparisons some guys here are HARSH! we treat upcoming youngsters like crap and give oldie grandpas 100000 chances

hats off to you...very very very well said afterall these players are our future!

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Originally Posted by im not you tanvir is bowler that can barely bat hammad is batting allrounder with potential in his bowling a more appropriate comparison is hammad to razzaq. Hammad wins based on age and ability to stand tall under pressure of falling wickets comparing hammad with tanvir is flawed.

dude u rule!

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Originally Posted by LegCutter If we had selected Shehzad, people would have been crying 'Where is Nazir' Now that we have selected Nazir, peopel are crying 'Where is Shehzad' Such is the life of a selector

I didn say take nazir out...why the hell cant we take asad shafiq out...he's not a t20 player...he can surely be replaced by Ahmed Shehzad and then u got Mr.Budda Baba (Shoaib Malik) who's been out of form and still stinks after being given a billion chances...Hammad is wayyyyyyyyy better!

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Originally Posted by sunnykhan That should be the case for every youngster. And the players are performing after being discarded deserve chance more. So why only shout for Hammad?

You have an excellent point but the reason i chose Hammad and Shehzad was because they were able to play for Pak b4 and perform well.

[ShahidAfridiLover]

Ok every1 that keeps saying I said to replace Shehzad with Nazir...where did u get that from? I didnt specify anything....I wanted Shafiq to be replaced with Shehzad!

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU kohli has played 89 ODIs and IPL experience helps a lot playing over and over again against the same bowlers like malinga shehzad has 19 ODIs...........how is it far to label ahmed? hammad is like 4 years old can we let him grow a little before slapping on "poor man" comparisons Agree completey. some guys here are HARSH! we treat upcoming youngsters like crap and give oldie grandpas 100000 chances

Originally Posted by ShahidAfridiLover hats off to you...very very very well said afterall these players are our future!

Thanks for saying this. Every one read this. These guys are our future!

[LastLaugh_PK]

Anwar Ali is a better bowler than Hammad.. and he has good hitting ability as well.. needs to be groomed..

[Bullet Drive]

Wahab Riaz says that Hammad is the toughest batsman he's bowled too......

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Wahab Riaz says that Hammad is the toughest batsman he's bowled too......

You haven't answered my question. What has Hammad done since August 2010 to get into the Pakistan side? I don't mean hit Bopara for six or score 20 or 30 here or there I mean an actual match-wiinning or consistent scores. Please do telll

Hammad is very talented yes but he has to PERFORM at some level. The Pakistan team isn't a charity there are plenty of young and old allrounders or batsmen who are working hard to try and get in. Hammad isn't simple as that! You'll ruin several careers including his own if you fastrack Hammad in

[Ayyubjavvs]

Ahmed Shehzad has performed for a long time at FC and has 2 international hundreds

Fawad Alam was shabbily treated despite a very good start to his career, and of course Fawad is Pakistan's best FC batsman

Even Shahzaib Hasan despite his technique actually performed at FC level

Even Shoaib Malik despite his recent failures has a decent pedigree and has performed at FC level

Whereas Hammad has not done anything of note for 2 years and everybody's crying for his inclusion. Sorry but you have to perform to get in

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU tanvir is bowler that can barely bat hammad is batting allrounder with potential in his bowling a more appropriate comparison is hammad to razzaq. hammad wins based on age and ability to stand tall under pressure of falling wickets comparing hammad with tanvir is flawed.

Eh what are u o about? Hammad has maybe 2 or 3 good knocks under pressure in 2 years. Yes he had an outstanding U19 World Cup but so did Raza Hasan, Khalid Latif, Zulqarnain Haider, Anwar Ali, Jamshed Ahmed, Akhtar Ayub, Sarfraz Ahmed and a dozen others. What is it about Hammad that is better than these other names?

And sorry but players like Abdul Razzaq have a proven pedigree of performance under pressure...at first class and international level. Dozens of very good knocks under pressure.


HammadI think has the potential to be a player like Matthews but he NEEDS to perform at FC level. He never deserved a callup in the first place. Everybody here is crying for his inclusion without PERFORMANCE this is called favouritism

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs You haven't answered my question. What has Hammad done since August 2010 to get into the Pakistan side? I don't mean hit Bopara for six or score 20 or 30 here or there I mean an actual match-wiinning or consistent scores. Please do telll Hammad is very talented yes but he has to PERFORM at some level. The Pakistan team isn't a charity there are plenty of young and old allrounders or batsmen who are working hard to try and get in. Hammad isn't simple as that! You'll ruin several careers including his own if you fastrack Hammad in

First two games he didn't bat. Only bowled in one. Took a wicket. First knock rescued Pakistan on a tough wicket. Made 36 and was given out wrongly:

Bishoo to Hammad Azam, OUT, Given out lbw though there was an inside edge. It landed full on a length around middle and began to turn towards middle and off. Hammad leaned forward to defend and pushed outside the line. The ball clipped the inside edge and hit the pad. Ump Ashoka thought it must have hit the pad first. Hammad's promising knock is over now. Enter Shahid Afridi.

Second innings he came in when the slog was on and scored 1, this caused him to give away his wicket. Of course he could have been selfish and played for the little not out at the end to boost his average but he isn't like that.

Third innings he scored a 1* and he was there at the end when Pakistan won the match.

Fourth innings he scored 4* and he was there at the end when Pakistan won the match. That was a very timely boundary too. If it wasn't for his boundary Pakistan would not have won the Asia Cup as we wouldn't have qualified without this shot.

Fifth innings he scored 4 and he yet again came in when the slog was on and he gave away his wicket. He didn't selfishly play for the not out in that match like his great captain.

His 6th innings was probably his best. After Pakistan were in massive trouble due to some thick batting(by a few seniors) Hammad & young Umar both batted beautifully and got Pakistan back into that game. Hammad's runs that game were vital. He really swung the momentum that game with his innings.

He was dropped after his last innings(which was his best). The reason for him being dropped was 'his bowling is not good enough'.

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Ahmed Shehzad has performed for a long time at FC and has 2 international hundreds Fawad Alam was shabbily treated despite a very good start to his career, and of course Fawad is Pakistan's best FC batsman Even Shahzaib Hasan despite his technique actually performed at FC level Even Shoaib Malik despite his recent failures has a decent pedigree and has performed at FC level Whereas Hammad has not done anything of note for 2 years and everybody's crying for his inclusion. Sorry but you have to perform to get in

First class cricket is 4-5 day cricket. No one is asking for Hammad to be selected in the longer version! Hammad's list-a record is decent. He was selected due to taking his team home with a 93* in domestic cricket.

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive First two games he didn't bat. Only bowled in one. Took a wicket. First knock rescued Pakistan on a tough wicket. Made 36 and was given out wrongly: Second innings he came in when the slog was on and scored 1, this caused him to give away his wicket. Of course he could have been selfish and played for the little not out at the end to boost his average but he isn't like that. Third innings he scored a 1* and he was there at the end when Pakistan won the match. Fourth innings he scored 4* and he was there at the end when Pakistan won the match. That was a very timely boundary too. If it wasn't for his boundary Pakistan would not have won the Asia Cup as we wouldn't have qualified without this shot. Fifth innings he scored 4 and he yet again came in when the slog was on and he gave away his wicket. He didn't selfishly play for the not out in that match like his great captain. His 6th innings was probably his best. After Pakistan were in massive trouble due to some thick batting(by a few seniors) Hammad & young Umar both batted beautifully and got Pakistan back into that game. Hammad's runs that game were vital. He really swung the momentum that game with his innings. He was dropped after his last innings(which was his best). The reason for him being dropped was 'his bowling is not good enough'.

I'm talking about performance at FIRST CLASS LEVEL/LIST A. Thank you for spectacularly missing the point. Hammad NEEDS to gain experience at FC level because he has literally done NOTHING since 2010.

I alreasdy said not 30s and 20s. I agree all of these were good innings but even so-called failures like Farhat, Shahzaib Hasan have scored innings of 30-50 in pressure. Shoaib Malik scored 38 in a Test in England, Shahzaib Hasan scored 39 against South Africa, Abdulrazzaq hit 31 in a tight match against England. Why the double standards?

I agree both the 36, and the 30 in the Asia Cup, were good innings. But they were not good enough to justify getting in ahead of Anwar Ali and co.

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive First class cricket is 4-5 day cricket. No one is asking for Hammad to be selected in the longer version! Hammad's list-a record is decent. He was selected due to taking his team home with a 93* in domestic cricket.

Even Sohail Tanveer has scored a 93. We need consistent performances. Nothing Hammad has done has proven that he automatically deserves selection ahea dof others

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs I'm talking about performance at FIRST CLASS LEVEL. Thank you for spectacularly missing the point. Hammad NEEDS to gain experience at FC level because he has literally done NOTHING since 2010. I alreasdy said not 30s and 20s. I agree all of these were good innings but even so-called failures like Farhat, Shahzaib Hasan have scored innings of 30-50 in pressure. Shoaib Malik scored 38 in a Test in England, Shahzaib Hasan scored 39 against South Africa, Abdulrazzaq hit 31 in a tight match against England. Why the double standards? I agree both the 36, and the 30 in the Asia Cup, were good innings. But they were not good enough to justify getting in ahead of Anwar Ali and co.

I have just said that first class cricket is 4-5 day games. No one is asking for Hammad to be selected in the longer version. His selection was deserved for sure.

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive I have just said that first class cricket is 4-5 day games. No one is asking for Hammad to be selected in the longer version. His selection was deserved for sure.

Sorry but by first class I meant domestic cricket of any kind. Hammad's selection was a classic example of bandwagon jumping and fast tracking

I think we have 2 carre take of this kid, groom him because he can be like Angelo Mathews if proper and ready. But at the moment he's done nbext to nothing--don't give me one or two innnings here and there, plenty of youngsters have done better than that and been dropped

[LastLaugh_PK]

I think he should replace Afridi in the near future.. Needs to work on his bowling though. Batting is not a problem IMO.. Certainly a better batsman than Afridi.. But we need to groom some more allrounders such as Anwar Ali..

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK I think he should replace Afridi in the near future.. Needs to work on his bowling though. Batting is not a problem IMO.. Certainly a better batsman than Afridi.. But we need to groom some more allrounders such as Anwar Ali..

I want Hammad to go on A tours, work hard on the local circuit. I think he is a classic example of a youngster who is first introduced too early and then dropped too early. Very good youngster though and I'm sure one or two productive seasons at the local circuit should do him a world of good InshaAllah

[truthseer]

I'll get a flak for this but Hammad is over-hyped! There's gut feel and then there's ignoring every fact.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...er/384518.html
An average of 29.8 and 32 while batting in first class and List A
Bowling average of 31 and 50 respectively

How is this talunt?

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by truthseer I'll get a flak for this but Hammad is over-hyped! There's gut feel and then there's ignoring every fact. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...er/384518.html An average of 29.8 and 32 while batting in first class and List A Bowling average of 31 and 50 respectively How is this talunt?

I think Hammad DEFINITELY has ability there are a lot of fine players who start nervously but the amount of hype here is WAY tooo much. Nearly every young Pakistan player for the last 20 years since Imran Khan left has been getting similar or worse treatment, many of them with better results. Afridi I think is the single youngster who because of his 37 ball 100 was given a long rein everybody else was dropped in and out again and again be it Yousuf or Abdulrazzaq or Younus Khan or Shoaib Malik or Manzoor Akhtar or Mohammad Wasim or Azhar Mahmood or Ali Naqvi or Mohammad Hussain, each of them would be dropped in and out of squads and most of them performed decently or promsingly

With Hammad you have first the selecotrs getting bashed if they don't pick him. Then you have Captains Afridi and Misbah and Hafeez getting bashed if they don't play him even in he's not in the squad, then you have other allrounders who are seen as competitors (even though Hammad is a more promising batsman and worse bowler than ech of them) like Malik or Sohail Tanveer or Abdul Razzaq or Yasir Arafat getting bashed because they are apparently "keeping Hammad out" by performing at international or county levels. Give me a break

And the fans' only defence is "Hammad is our future".

Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq and Umar Akmal have to varying extents proven themselves, Hammad can be a good find but he has a lot to prove

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive I have just said that first class cricket is 4-5 day games. No one is asking for Hammad to be selected in the longer version. His selection was deserved for sure.

What are his performances in T20 and List A games?

[Badsha]

Hammad and Shehzad are two talented individuals.


The difference between normal "talented" players and them is they even have good stats to back them up

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Badsha Hammad and Shehzad are two talented individuals. The difference between normal "talented" players and them is they even have good stats to back them up

Shehzad does, Hammad doesn't. They're nowhere in the same category

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Shehzad does, Hammad doesn't. They're nowhere in the same category

Wow you really hate Hammad from the bottom of your heart don't you?

Razzaq is finished, Arafat and Malik were always pathetic and Tanvir is only an average bowler at best who would get tonked to all parts of the ground against a decent side. His batting is nowhere close to Hammad.

If we find another allrounder who is youngish (less than 28-29) and better than Hammad then he should be persisted with but for now Hammad should be given all the opportunities to prove himself.

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK Wow you really hate Hammad from the bottom of your heart don't you? Razzaq is finished, Arafat and Malik were always pathetic and Tanvir is only an average bowler at best who would get tonked to all parts of the ground against a decent side. His batting is nowhere close to Hammad. If we find another allrounder who is youngish (less than 28-29) and better than Hammad then he should be persisted with but for now Hammad should be given all the opportunities to prove himself.

Anwar Ali is the answer, 24-25 years and much much better

No I don't hate Hammad as I have said 100 times I think he can be good enough as Angelo Mathews role or even better. But you're only hurting him, other players n setting a bad example if you undeserviungly fast track him in

Abdulrazzaq has done much better than Hammad in equally limited opportunities over the last few years, Arafat took 3 wickets in his last game and has performed for awhile now, Malik wa sonce a good player though he's not deserving now and Tanveer's bowling is better than Hammad's batting in recent times

I wish u would believe me I don't hate Hammad he is a great talent MashaAllah but u are only badly gonna hurt a lot of careers including Hammad's if u fast track him in without the necessary experience or performance

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Anwar Ali is the answer, 24-25 years and much much better No I don't hate Hammad as I have said 100 times I think he can be good enough as Angelo Mathews role or even better. But you're only hurting him, other players n setting a bad example if you undeserviungly fast track him in Abdulrazzaq has done much better than Hammad in equally limited opportunities over the last few years, Arafat took 3 wickets in his last game and has performed for awhile now, Malik wa sonce a good player though he's not deserving now and Tanveer's bowling is better than Hammad's batting in recent times I wish u would believe me I don't hate Hammad he is a great talent MashaAllah but u are only badly gonna hurt a lot of careers including Hammad's if u fast track him in without the necessary experience or performance

And you think two years of domestic cricket will make hammad a good player?

Have you seen the standard of domestic cricket lately? Some domestic heavy weights can hardly hold the bat straight when we first see them in intnl cricket

First you identify a talent and then nurture him - hammad has been identified as a talent and somone with immense upwards potential Rather than going to the has beens who are on a downhill scope why not invest in someone like hammad whos potential is immense

Domestic cricket in pakistan is of a shabby standard and there is only so much players will learn there, theyve all matured and learnt their art in intnl cricket This is where hammad needs to be

[Riff]

Good to see that there is no news of Shahzad making it to the ODI squad against Australia.

Pathetic opener with an average of 26. lol

[Green]

Originally Posted by Riff Good to see that there is no news of Shahzad making it to the ODI squad against Australia. Pathetic opener with an average of 26. lol

Hahah your posts used to annoy me.

But then, I realised what you were doing.

Well played lad. ;)

[Ayyubjavvs]

Originally Posted by Zaz And you think two years of domestic cricket will make hammad a good player? Have you seen the standard of domestic cricket lately? Some domestic heavy weights can hardly hold the bat straight when we first see them in intnl cricket First you identify a talent and then nurture him - hammad has been identified as a talent and somone with immense upwards potential Rather than going to the has beens who are on a downhill scope why not invest in someone like hammad whos potential is immense Domestic cricket in pakistan is of a shabby standard and there is only so much players will learn there, theyve all matured and learnt their art in intnl cricket This is where hammad needs to be

Valid view but then why act like an injustice has been done on Hammad? He was always a wildcard option since he doesnt' have the numbers (yet) to back up his talent.

[Riff]

Originally Posted by Green Hahah your posts used to annoy me. But then, I realised what you were doing. Well played lad. ;)

So he doesnt average 26 with a strike rate of around 65?

*Checks Shahzad's stats on cricinfo*

No Im pretty sure that I am correct. I am not doing anything. Facts are facts.

[Green]

Originally Posted by Riff So he doesnt average 26 with a strike rate of around 65? *Checks Shahzad's stats on cricinfo* No Im pretty sure that I am correct. I am not doing anything. Facts are facts.

Of course you aren't.