$ 100,000 per Month

[2DashingLahori]

It is a law of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia that when a member of the Royal Family is born, he/she will start getting paid $100,000 per month. By the time he is 18 years old, he has millions of dollars to spend. Only recently King Abdullah has voiced concern over this.

One of the princes was my Saudi friend's friend and we would sometimes go out with them in Jeddah. It's mind-boggling to see 18 years old with the latest Mercedes that only the Royal family can own. Then of course they live mansions and get to travel abroad and squander thier wealth. Only a very few princes have used thier wealth for good purposes.

It would have been great if this money had been distributed to all Muslim students around the Ummah so we could all study and help progess Islam technologically etc. They should have set up Universities around the Ummah or even in Saudi Arabia so all students could come there to study free of cost. Yes they have helped Pakistan but not like they should have! They should have given scholarships to all Muslims students and still they would have some money left over for themselves. They should alleviated poverty and immproved Ummah's infrastructure. Only now under King Abdullah they are waking up but still 40 years of wealth has been squandered.

This is why I also mentioned that Saudi Arabia should have had invested in countries like Pakistan where the educational environment is very open minded and modern since there are lots od drawbacks in the Saudi enviornment.

In Saudi Arabia they have just opended a theatre in Jeddah that plays cartoon movies - tells us a lot of the mentality of the people there.

They should have used this capitol somewhere. But hey it is never too late. Oil is at a high right now and King Abdullah is using the money in the right way and may Allah give him health we need him.

[Aurangzeb]

the royal family is known for their sound money management...prince bandar told me so...please do not mock them...

[Toony™®]

Originally Posted by 2DashingLahori It is a law of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia that when a member of the Royal Family is born, he/she will start getting paid $100,000 per month. By the time he is 18 years old, he has millions of dollars to spend. Only recently King Abdullah has voiced concern over this. One of the princes was my Saudi friend's friend and we would sometimes go out with them in Jeddah. It's mind-boggling to see 18 years old with the latest Mercedes that only the Royal family can own. Then of course they live mansions and get to travel abroad and squander thier wealth. Only a very few princes have used thier wealth for good purposes. It would have been great if this money had been distributed to all Muslim students around the Ummah so we could all study and help progess Islam technologically etc. They should have set up Universities around the Ummah or even in Saudi Arabia so all students could come there to study free of cost. Yes they have helped Pakistan but not like they should have! They should have given scholarships to all Muslims students and still they would have some money left over for themselves. They should alleviated poverty and immproved Ummah's infrastructure. Only now under King Abdullah they are waking up but still 40 years of wealth has been squandered.

pathetic practises.

[Mercenary]

It's the sort of policy that's easier to criticise for those standing outside in the cold!

[Khalil]

It would have been great if this money had been distributed to all Muslim students around the Ummah

The Saudi Royalty are not muslim. They merely have Arabic names. Many people with Christian and Hindu names who believe in Christ and Krishna are Muslims.

[mani1]

Originally Posted by 2DashingLahori It is a law of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia that when a member of the Royal Family is born, he/she will start getting paid $100,000 per month. By the time he is 18 years old, he has millions of dollars to spend. Only recently King Abdullah has voiced concern over this. One of the princes was my Saudi friend's friend and we would sometimes go out with them in Jeddah. It's mind-boggling to see 18 years old with the latest Mercedes that only the Royal family can own. Then of course they live mansions and get to travel abroad and squander thier wealth. Only a very few princes have used thier wealth for good purposes. It would have been great if this money had been distributed to all Muslim students around the Ummah so we could all study and help progess Islam technologically etc. They should have set up Universities around the Ummah or even in Saudi Arabia so all students could come there to study free of cost. Yes they have helped Pakistan but not like they should have! They should have given scholarships to all Muslims students and still they would have some money left over for themselves. They should alleviated poverty and immproved Ummah's infrastructure. Only now under King Abdullah they are waking up but still 40 years of wealth has been squandered.

I read some where it is 500k I asked one of my mates at Uni whos a saudi and he agreed

[m_sohail]

Originally Posted by Khalil The Saudi Royalty are not muslim. They merely have Arabic names. Many people with Christian and Hindu names who believe in Christ and Krishna are Muslims.

I beg to differ.

[Team Slayer]

"They should have set up Universities around the Ummah or even in Saudi Arabia so all students could come there to study free of cost."

What nonsense. What about the Islamic university of Madinah, Umm-ul-Qura in Makkah, Imam University in Riyadh? All of these are free of cost, no tuition, a monthly salary, yearly round trip tickets to your hometown...all you need to be is a good Muslim and under 25 years of age. Much of the greatest works and the greatest contemporary scholars (the likes of Al-Albani, bin Baaz and bin Al Uthaymeen (RA Ajmaeen)) have all studied and taught at these priceless institutes.

i agree that they (Saudis) waste a lot of money and all...but to say that they never invested in Islam is nonsense. look at how hajj is managed and look at the universities (and the hundreds of students studying there for free).

[Aurangzeb]

Originally Posted by Team Slayer "They should have set up Universities around the Ummah or even in Saudi Arabia so all students could come there to study free of cost." What nonsense. What about the Islamic university of Madinah, Umm-ul-Qura in Makkah, Imam University in Riyadh? All of these are free of cost, no tuition, a monthly salary, yearly round trip tickets to your hometown...all you need to be is a good Muslim and under 25 years of age. Much of the greatest works and the greatest contemporary scholars (the likes of Al-Albani, bin Baaz and bin Al Uthaymeen (RA Ajmaeen)) have all studied and taught at these priceless institutes. i agree that they (Saudis) waste a lot of money and all...but to say that they never invested in Islam is nonsense. look at how hajj is managed and look at the universities (and the hundreds of students studying there for free).

hajj managed properly?...dude, people get trampled at the stone throwing place all the time...they could do more to manage the hajj...

[2DashingLahori]

Originally Posted by Team Slayer "They should have set up Universities around the Ummah or even in Saudi Arabia so all students could come there to study free of cost." What nonsense. What about the Islamic university of Madinah, Umm-ul-Qura in Makkah, Imam University in Riyadh? All of these are free of cost, no tuition, a monthly salary, yearly round trip tickets to your hometown...all you need to be is a good Muslim and under 25 years of age. Much of the greatest works and the greatest contemporary scholars (the likes of Al-Albani, bin Baaz and bin Al Uthaymeen (RA Ajmaeen)) have all studied and taught at these priceless institutes. i agree that they (Saudis) waste a lot of money and all...but to say that they never invested in Islam is nonsense. look at how hajj is managed and look at the universities (and the hundreds of students studying there for free).

They invested in Wahahbism. They did great things for Islam only later in the years.. after wasting thier money!

I am talking about Universities for Science and Technology there are only a couple in Saudi Arabia. There should have been 100!

Islamic Universities is not the end of the world. They could have had made universtiies all around the Muslim world but did they do anything like that? No... just invested in thier 2nd home called USA.

[2DashingLahori]

Originally Posted by mani1 I read some where it is 500k I asked one of my mates at Uni whos a saudi and he agreed

probably in a year not a month

[2DashingLahori]

Originally Posted by Khalil The Saudi Royalty are not muslim. They merely have Arabic names. Many people with Christian and Hindu names who believe in Christ and Krishna are Muslims.

Thier policies always seem to help the Jews. I have an argument too that they are not Muslim. Islam ka naam lewa hain per not Muslims.

[mani1]

Originally Posted by 2DashingLahori probably in a year not a month

Yes sorry didnt read it properly

[entralinks]

Islam spread from Arabia, looking forward to money now.

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by Aurangzeb hajj managed properly?...dude, people get trampled at the stone throwing place all the time...they could do more to manage the hajj...

no Aurangzeb bro, its not the management's fault. during rami jamarat, people lose there minds. they think the jamarat is actually shaitaan, and people start pelting the jamarat with chappals, even swearing while doing so!! shaitan is probably laughing at this stupidity and ignorance.

in any case, at that time, people go crazy and unfortunate incidents happen. i can go on and on about how many other things the ministry of hajj does well, but let's leave it at that for now.

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by 2DashingLahori They invested in Wahahbism. They did great things for Islam only later in the years.. after wasting thier money! I am talking about Universities for Science and Technology there are only a couple in Saudi Arabia. There should have been 100! Islamic Universities is not the end of the world. They could have had made universtiies all around the Muslim world but did they do anything like that? No... just invested in thier 2nd home called USA.

subhanAllah, people love to slander the name of the noble Imam Abdul Wahhab (may Allah have mercy on him) without having the slightest clue about who he was and what he stood for. ignorance is a bliss, and i'll leave you to it.

In any case, you are correct in saying that they should've invested in more univs of all kinds and no doubt the Saudi investment and bootlicking of the Yanks angers me to no end...but the service they are doing to the ummah by funding University of Madinah and Umm ul Qura, etc. is unparalleled.

The University of Madinah especially is a throwback to the golden years of Islamic scholarship. I can't imagine how poor we would be (from a scholarly perspective) without the University of Madinah. For this reason alone, I'm willing to overlook the Saudi royal family's stupidity.

[Asim2Good]

Originally Posted by entralinks Islam spread from Arabia, looking forward to money now.

Entra

[olDBoY]

i wish i was born in the royal family....

[2DashingLahori]

Originally Posted by Team Slayer subhanAllah, people love to slander the name of the noble Imam Abdul Wahhab (may Allah have mercy on him) without having the slightest clue about who he was and what he stood for. ignorance is a bliss, and i'll leave you to it.

No you do not need to leave me with anything.

I know who he is and what role he played in cleansing Arabia from manmade practises and May Allah bless him for that. Wahhab's vision was a great one but the Royal family modelled thier own Islam and Wahhab's view vanished due to Royal Kingdom's practises.

In any case, you are correct in saying that they should've invested in more univs of all kinds and no doubt the Saudi investment and bootlicking of the Yanks angers me to no end...but the service they are doing to the ummah by funding University of Madinah and Umm ul Qura, etc. is unparalleled.

They should make more of such Universities so that more people in the world can get the Islamic message and at the same time they should also set up technological Univs like King Abdullah is doing.

The University of Madinah especially is a throwback to the golden years of Islamic scholarship. I can't imagine how poor we would be (from a scholarly perspective) without the University of Madinah. For this reason alone, I'm willing to overlook the Saudi royal family's stupidity.

That's prolly one of the only good things that have done and that too very late in history when such steps should have been taken before.

I will not overlook the fact that King Fahad was the one who got Iraq into trouble and the enmity with Iran that they started. I will admire them for keeping Islam in its pure form but they have surely wasted wealth and thier ignorance and silence has out all of the ummah in a bad bad situuation.

[m_sohail]

2dash,

You are overlooking the need for more Muslim journalists, lawyers, etc. out in the West.

Simply put, Saudi Arabia cannot duplicate the same environment and settings which are needed for Muslims to succeed in such fields out in the West. It is totally different learning from an academic POV and learning AND experiencing at the same time.

You have to learn a tolerance and understanding (not adopt) the differing view points present out in the West if you want to succeed. Do you believe Saudi would allow a course like 1st year Anthropology to talk about homosexuality in an accepting manner?

You need to have Muslims who are out in the West also that are striving to the top. Not so sure it will happen with an exclusive Saudi education.

[2DashingLahori]

Originally Posted by m_sohail 2dash, You are overlooking the need for more Muslim journalists, lawyers, etc. out in the West. Simply put, Saudi Arabia cannot duplicate the same environment and settings which are needed for Muslims to succeed in such fields out in the West. It is totally different learning from an academic POV and learning AND experiencing at the same time. You have to learn a tolerance and understanding (not adopt) the differing view points present out in the West if you want to succeed. Do you believe Saudi would allow a course like 1st year Anthropology to talk about homosexuality in an accepting manner? You need to have Muslims who are out in the West also that are striving to the top. Not so sure it will happen with an exclusive Saudi education.

Excellent ponts bro. This is why I also mentioned that Saudi Arabia should have had invested in countries like Pakistan where the educational environment is very open minded and modern since there are lots od drawbacks in the Saudi enviornment.

In Saudi Arabia they have just opended a theatre in Jeddah that plays cartoon movies - tells us a lot of the mentality of the people there.

They should have used this capitol somewhere. But hey it is never too late. Oil is at a high right now and King Abdullah is using the money in the right way and may Allah give him health we need him.

[Wiji]

Originally Posted by 2DashingLahori It is a law of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia that when a member of the Royal Family is born, he/she will start getting paid $100,000 per month. By the time he is 18 years old, he has millions of dollars to spend. Only recently King Abdullah has voiced concern over this. One of the princes was my Saudi friend's friend and we would sometimes go out with them in Jeddah. It's mind-boggling to see 18 years old with the latest Mercedes that only the Royal family can own. Then of course they live mansions and get to travel abroad and squander thier wealth. Only a very few princes have used thier wealth for good purposes. It would have been great if this money had been distributed to all Muslim students around the Ummah so we could all study and help progess Islam technologically etc. They should have set up Universities around the Ummah or even in Saudi Arabia so all students could come there to study free of cost. Yes they have helped Pakistan but not like they should have! They should have given scholarships to all Muslims students and still they would have some money left over for themselves. They should alleviated poverty and immproved Ummah's infrastructure. Only now under King Abdullah they are waking up but still 40 years of wealth has been squandered. This is why I also mentioned that Saudi Arabia should have had invested in countries like Pakistan where the educational environment is very open minded and modern since there are lots od drawbacks in the Saudi enviornment. In Saudi Arabia they have just opended a theatre in Jeddah that plays cartoon movies - tells us a lot of the mentality of the people there. They should have used this capitol somewhere. But hey it is never too late. Oil is at a high right now and King Abdullah is using the money in the right way and may Allah give him health we need him.

I knew a 'Prince' back at school. Rumour had it he was earning 60,000 riyals ($16000) a month because he turned 18. People exagerrate the figures too much... but yeah - I always thought that was a retarded system. It's amazing how one family can have so much power - I never understood how that works and how that actually came into place...

[m_sohail]

Do you think establishing a university in the West would be a wise idea? Specifically in terms of attracting the right teachers, teachers that could put the students in a position to be the best they can be?

Even if you pay student fees, costs, travel, etc. would it not be too much like a Madarsa and that defeats the purpose doesn't it?

Generally the ones that I have been exposed to have a HUGE lack of quality teachers, resources, and unfortunately a lack of commitment from the heads to give students Deen AND practical knowledge that will allow them to seriously challenge those in the public and private educaiton sectors. What you have are a select few teachers teaching a variety of subjects which they themselves have a amazingly limited knowledge of.

IMO that defeats the purpose, but any ideas on how to combat that?

[2DashingLahori]

Originally Posted by Wiji I knew a 'Prince' back at school. Rumour had it he was earning 60,000 riyals ($16000) a month because he turned 18. People exagerrate the figures too much... but yeah - I always thought that was a retarded system. It's amazing how one family can have so much power - I never understood how that works and how that actually came into place...

Yeah possibly exagerrated but still 60,000 Riyals lol for doing nothing! Our dads worked there we know how that goes the retarded nationalty based salary system they have.

Hey the Brits and the Americans brought them into power and they have a protection from them so they are relaxed in taking that money and putting it in thier pockets. The royal family took over the Arabian penunsuila by force and Brits came up with the idea of giving them more power to secure control of the region.

Anyways what is more amazing is the amount of wealth going around in Saudi and Jeddah will always remain my fav place in the world Had some good times there. ;) such as b-ball tournaments in SAIS Jeddah.

[Wiji]

Originally Posted by 2DashingLahori Anyways what is more amazing is the amount of wealth going around in Saudi and Jeddah will always remain my fav place in the world Had some good times there. ;) such as b-ball tournaments in SAIS Jeddah.

I'm going back on Monday. Should be interesting... can't wait for Al-Baik!

P.S. Manarat ruled!

[2DashingLahori]

sohail,

Well for technical education setting it up in the west might be beneficial as it will allow students to study in a fast paced, competetive enviornment. However, setting it up in Pakistan is equally fine as long as we get reknowned Profs from around the world that will teach Muslim students.

Now for teaching the Deen, I think we need professors who are open-minded and forward looking. Profs and teachers who have seen the world and have met different groups of people and are enlightened in the sense that they promote the Quran and authentic hadiths.

We will only get such teachers if the places they graduate from promote these ideals along with other subjects that will open thier thinking etc. For example Islamic scholars must graduate with math and science specialties as it will help them better under the Quranic miracles and allow them to praise God's world more. Quran is full of things such as the big bang, black holes but scientific and mathematical knowledge is neccessary to understand such verses.

Scholars must have history education as well as they must be aware of all the people in the world and must be completely aware of other religions. This will only help open thier minds and allow them to better progress Islam and as a result will allow them to spread thier knowledge to students when they start teaching and then we will have a line of great scholars and our deen will be better understood everywhere and we will achieve near perfection in deen.

This will only happen if Islamic Univs promoting such ideals will be promoted.

[2DashingLahori]

Originally Posted by Wiji I'm going back on Monday. Should be interesting... can't wait for Al-Baik! P.S. Manarat ruled!

ahhh I hate you! I love Al-baik send me some when you get there and hey have fun and let me all about it when you come back, I heard Jeddah has changed in 3 years!