Danish Kaneria Vs Shane Warne

Can someone bring up comparisons at the same age between Danish and Shane Warne.

How many wickets did Shane warne had at Dani's age.


Someone told me Dani has more wickets at the same age then shane warne did.

And what will that prove ?

quite simple really Marooned

ur not that naive are you ;)

I don't like where this is leading...

Yeah but Warney was taking wickets in ODIs consistantly at his age too. Stuart Macgill is probably another leg spinner that's been forgotten by the selectors, and if he was given a decent chance, he would of racked up a hell of a lot more wickets than now.

Danish is a good young bowler who has a long way to go still

comparisons to Warne in terms of wickets serve a great misjustice to the brilliance of Warne

Im just trying to compare the too, Dani himself said he wanted to equal Shane.

I was just wondering is that a flippant comment based on a small amount of early success or has he got a chance.

He certainly rips the ball, has alot of variations infact more then Warne.


Im just trying to add up his chances, has he actually got a chance to match warne and is he on his way or has he got no chance

Shane Warne is one of the greatest ever-and has been great for some time.

Dani is good-and excellent in the final inngs....but has a LONG LONG LONG way to go to be mentioned in the same breath as Warne.

It would be interested in seeing some comparisons...although I think it will prove Warne's case, more than Dani boys!

He can equal Warne in terms of wickets given luck and matches but can't do so in brilliance. Warne is a one off. Kaneria is a pretty good bowler who may (with luck and brains) be very good by the time he ends.

But comparing him to Warne is really like comparing Wasim and Pathan.

i Hate these comparisons!

Dani's goal should be to stay up there with the top 3 spinners in the world. Still has a long way to go if he wants to be mention in the same breath as Shane Warne. Ofcourse, a few notches down in greatness, and Murali's name will pop up at Number 2 who is an excellent bowler.

Even if we discount the comparison between the two in terms of skill and talent, there is little chance of Dani equalling Warne's record simply because Pakistan do not play enough test matches. Kaneria,at his current rate,will have to keep on playing test cricket for at least 15 years to get within sight of Warne.

Warne gets to play 10 test matches against England every 18 months or so and the English are easy pickings for him. He still hasn't retired yet so there's no knowing how many wickets he'll end up with.

Danish is about to turn 25 and has played 31 test matches, Warne had also played 31 matches at one point during his 25th year. Below is the comparison...

31 Ms -- 154 wkts @ 22.55 avg -- 63.3 SR -- 2.1 Eco -- 9x FWH -- 2x TWH -- 5.0 WPM ----> Warne
31 Ms -- 143 wkts @ 30.55 avg -- 61.1 SR -- 3.0 Eco - 11x FWH -- 2x TWH -- 4.6 WPM ----> Kaneria

Although Kaneria has a slightly better strike rate and 2 more five wicket hauls, Warne is still clearly far ahead.

Warne had taken 11 more wickets and had an average better by 8 runs per wicket and a superior economy rate by almost one run!

Not to forget the fact that Warne didnt face BD/Zim in that period whilst Kaneria has played 5 tests vs Bangladesh!!

Kaneria has a long way to go before he can think of comparing himself to Warne as a test match bowler!

Its a lot lot closer than I envisaged...apologies to DK for that!

Mat O R W BBI Ave 5 10 W/R
31 1457 4370 143 7/77 30.55 11 2 4/52
31 1624.5 3474 154 8/71 22.55 9 2 3/16

Guess who is who?

Mercurial beat you to it....

i may be wrong but i remember reading that Kaneria was ahead of Warne at the same stage of his career at the end of our tour to Australia

Yaar merc,all of daanis stats are excellent except his typing speed of 4.6 WPM which is terrible

Does anyone have Warne's current test record?

Bob's laptop will sort that out meedan

At that stage they had both played 23 matches and Warne had 101 wickets whilst Kaneria had 102 wickets.

its the way he moves his elbows, it slows him down. If you've seen him run whilst fielding then you will understand!

Kaneria got about 36 wickets in 6 games against BD early on. THat helps his stats. Not sure if Warne played against Zim at that stage or not.

If we look add kumble's figures after 31 tests then it's not a bad comparison with kaneria and warne...

31 Ms -- 154 wkts @ 22.55 avg -- 63.3 SR -- 2.1 Eco -- 9x FWH -- 2x TWH -- 5.0 WPM ----> Warne
31 Ms -- 143 wkts @ 30.55 avg -- 61.1 SR -- 3.0 Eco - 11x FWH -- 2x TWH -- 4.6 WPM ----> Kaneria
31 Ms -- 138 wkts @ 26.08 avg -- 67.6 SR -- 2.3 Eco -- 7x FWH -- 1x TWH -- 4.5 WPM ----> Kumble

...Kumble only played 2 of those matches vs Zim. He has a better average and economy than Kaneria but has fewer five and ten wicket hauls.

I think Kaneia's high average is quite worrying or is it an inevitable symptom of the speed and style of the way batsmen score today as opposed to 10 years ago?

It does help to read the text that goes with the stats sometimes, if you had you might have seen this...

Obviously we cant blame Danish for having to play against 'minnows'....but traditionally leggies have been expensive (I think back to the magician Abdul Qadir)

Didn't see that.

The point is, he's been very useful in the past year and played a role in important games. That should bury all the stats.

Warne plans his dismissials while mostly Danish relies on batsmen not reading his wrong'uns. Danish can become become just another spinner once batsmen figure his googlies out, bit like Saqlain - as players started picking up his doosras, he lost his effectiveness.

Dani is a very classy and talented player he has the ability to go far.

In terms of physical ability I.e actualy ability to spin the ball or the many variations he has.

He can only improve upon them.

he has over a decade left in him as a spinner, he can do alot during that period, he already has 143 wickets to his name and the more cricket Pakistan get the more he can attempt to pick up wickets its all up to him.

Also his performances in the past year are like Kumble - there is no other decent bowler in the team to pick up wickets so that has helped his wicket tally.

But Kaneria has two distinctions that Warne can olny wish for:

Firstly, Taking wickets against World No 1 team (Aussies) and winning aclaim by all the players and experts alike (I know Warne plays for that team but that is something which is not Kaneria's fault either, just like 'you holding his 6 Tests vs BD, against him...Is it his fault that he can only play in games that Pak is participating in )

2ndly, Kaneria has bowled quite superbly against India, something that Warne can only dream off and that too in India; in fact he is, if I am not mistaken, the only leggie to have ever taken 5 wickets in an innings against an Indian team (No matter how many runs he gave away is besides the point cause Warne has given over 100 runs several times against India, yet no real luck)

I am not holding anything against Kaneria!

But he can't be compared to the spin wizard all things said. Warne was a freak talent when he came on the stage, Kaneria is a good one. And that's how it will remain.

he should worry about breaking Mushy and Qadir's records first.

At worst if Dani keeps it up he will have a great record.

and i think he is the best young talent out there, once warne and Murali are gone he is the next in line.

Still its great we have such a talent in the team.

So going by the above logic, people like Imran, Marshall, Hadlee etc. who took years to perfect their trade are to be looked down at when comparing them to Waqar/Wasim who were almost the finished articles, when they first burst on the Int'l scene...

Who is to say, Kaneria cannot equal or beat Warne in 10 years...you can't just assume Kaneria cannot be as great as Warne just cause 'he is not a freak talent'

What are on about...did Kaneria say something like "I will break Warne's record"

...Dani seems to be a very level headed cricketer.

But if he wants to play for as long as the Warnester, he is going to have to gove up smoking!!!

Not at all, Monsee. You are missing the point. Kaneria is a good bowler who has a long way to go. Warne is a legend and has done it all. It is unfair and unwise to compare the two.

Perhaps some time I will dig up the past posts I have made in Kaneria's defense at different points. Perhaps that will help you see where I am coming from.

Anyhow, he shouldn't be compared with Warne and if done he will pale in comparison.

Yet you said this

That basically implies what I got out from your last post too...you are saying, without putting any time constraints, that Kaneria will only be a 'Good' bowler never a 'Great' one like Warne

BD tests do help Kaneria's record... no it's not kaneria's fault he played BD but it makes warne all the more better that he didn't. ANyways... Kaneria is coming out nicely. Why compare him to warne? Hopefully he'll be bigger than warne

One thing kaneria has on warne is his success vs India in India.

They arent the same bowler. Warne has more variety while kaneria is quicker. Kaneria is taller, his ball rises more. Warne gives it more air. warne can contain runs while kaneria gives runs. Giving runs happens to all spinners though so that i am not worried about. Warne is a genius in his own right, Kaneria will eventually get to that point. I think he is going to match well statistically with kumble.

Care to explain 'How'

He has several legbreak deleveries and a slider,zooter,backspinner aside that he has googly top spinner. Also he can control everyone of those deliveries so they spin more or less. Besides that his bowling works on all wickets.

I dont think kaneria has the control or abilities of all those deliveries.

wait a minute...what exactly has Kaneria done?

spot on.

The inevitable has happened!!!
Warne is a genius, Danish not yet. simple as that.

Warne vs Kaneria LOL this has to be the funniest thread ever

Good on Kaneria, he is similar to Warnie in talking himself up (and thats a good thing).

I don't think so, because Warne smokes as well.

..but I have never seen Warne smoking during a game-Kanerai I have!

Well Romalli...the responses (which are the crucial thing) arent putting the 2 on the same level.

Show one place where anyone has said he is as good as Warne...we are just trying to see if he can be anything close to Warne in say '10 years time'

Kaneria is a leg break bowler, so he can only be judged against his like or would you rather judge him against an In Swing Bowler called 'Kumble'

So even trying to discuss where Kaneria is right now vs where Warne was at this point, is Funny...yet Dhonni 'The next Viv'; Pathan 'the next Akram'; Agarkar 'the next Dennis Lillee' etc etc is really talking sense right

Monsee...to RR's credit, he is one Indian fan who doesn't make lofty comparisons. A good poster.

But he is wrong here...no one is comparing him to Warne

We are just trying to see if Kaneria has the potential to be like Warne

Nope.

Ok Mr. Marooned Nostradamous Sahib

You should cut down on predictions your last subtle prediction went horribly wrong.

konsi

Dani is a good bowler but he is no where close to where Warne is. He has a long road ahead of him. And i think Dani will never ever become a great bowler unless PCB will make at least one test wicket suitable to spinners. As we have seen in the last 3 test matches they were are batting tracks and nothing to do for bowlers.

Inspite of that Warne still is the best spinner cricket has ever seen. He still is better then Kaneria. Its unfair to compare a legend with a budding talent. If Kaneria only achieves the half of what Warne has done throughout his career, Kaneria will go down as one of the best leggies ever. I've seen this comparison being done before and its totally unfair to both Warne n Kaneria.

Where have I directly said anything like that

I am merely saying that Kaneria might not be as bad a bowler compared to Warne at this point in his career

What Warne achieved and what stataus he has vs Kaneria is not even remotely under question...that will be plainly silly to even suggest

The main thing is: A leg spinner can only be compared vs a Leg Spinner to guage his career progression UNLESS you want me to compare him with Irfan Slow Pathan

Silly thread. We Pakistanis struggle to keep our feet on the ground in victory I'm afraid.

Warne = Genius.

Kaneria - Good Bowler.

End of Story. Over and Out. Next discussion.