Cricket coaches are worthless--- Shane warne

"don't think there's a place for a coach in international cricket. Every player at this level knows exactly what to do. The only thing a coach does is to punch worthless data into a computer."
Shane Warne, at his outspoken best spares nobody, including cricket coaches
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personally i think a coach has alot to offer, especially if a player has technical definciency and how to plan and execute among other things.
what do you guys think? afterall shane warne is one of the highest wicket takers in world cricket

along with being the highest wicket taker he is a druggie, nurse texting idiot

I do believe their is a place for coaches especially for cricket sides like Pakistan who need someone to add a bit of organisation into the team - i disagree with him that every player at this level knows what to do, sometimes they need a bit of guidance, the guidance a good coach provides

well Wasim and waqar or imran for that werent exactly role models either. all the high profiles cricketers at one point of time did something which the public didnt approve off. but i do agree with the rest of it

Shane Warne's past record, and I am not talking about Cricket Record either, will put to shame many career criminals...

Money from bookies, sex scandals, drug issues, text message fiscos,...the list goes on and on

Only if there was such a thing as 3 times and you are out for people like him...

Thats exactly it high profile cricketers. A young team with un-established players needs coaches to guide them through their development create and assign roles to players and help them maximise potential. Warne got enough experience under his belt. He might not need one but its not true for all players.

As far as calling him a druggy, we have Mr. Akhtar buh on the other hand we might consider him a druggy because our thoughts are influenced by our religion. If you aren't ethnocentric then him drinking isn't considered druggy in todays society. All players go through scandals just that some of them dont get revealed.

Interview:

"Shahid Afridi, last time you went to India you had scandals with Indian actors why not this time".

Afridi:

"I wasn't married last time but I am now....... laughs".

What have his text messages got to do with his views on cricket?

Shane Warne is a joker.

In this day and age you need someone to manage the team, do computer analysis, analyze strengths, weaknesses, both of players and their opponents, make selection decisions, formulate strategies, construct lineups and collaborate with the captain to name a few. Too many things which can't go ignored.

Shane Warne is a champion - BUT this was a worthless comment.

Coaching is more important for individuals who are between 8-19, when techniques are still malleable. Problems are easier to rectify in their formative stages. Allow them to develop and they are harder to remove.

And in terms of tactics, it is the captain needs to be the tactician, more so than the coach. The reasons are simple. Pre made tactics count for little, when the team comes under pressure, or an opposition player plays unpredictably, or there is a passage of play that could not be predicted. The captain has to be dynamic and quick thinking. The captain has to be ahead of the game, not sticking to rigid tactics made by the coach, prior to the match.

Also if the captain, relies on the coach, and is persistently looking to the stands for guidance, then that will not inspire confidence in his players. Players like to feel, that the captain knows what he is doing, a nervy captain looking to the coach is hardly a captain who knows what he is doing. And when the pressure is on, it is the captain they players will look to, not the coach who can do bugger all.

I kind of agree with him there. In my opnion teams really need managers to facilitate their tours rather than coaches. For me a good captain can take over the proceedings on the field, practice and devising strategies. Whereas Manager can handle the media bit..

I agee with ggm there about coaches for younger people at the grass root level.

Maybe Aussie players are smart enough to do most of that stuff by themselves? Shane Warne has definitely come across as a brainy guy who seems to recognize players weakness and strengths very quickly on his own and that's why he has been so successful.

Can we have Troy Cooley back then, Shane?

What have his antics off the field got to do with his opinions on cricket?

I dont agree with Shane Warne..., He has said that because of has played plenty of cricket.........

yeah but should a player with technical defeciencies be in test cricket that is the question. shouldnt the first class system be able to groom the players. I mean if you intend to groom the players like ie wasim, inzi shahid or a sami or someone. yeah a coach then is necessary. because you intend on taking a talented player and giving him a full run.

The aussies on the other hand have such a great system they dont deal with the pakistani nonsense of coaching they give you experience at the first class level and once you reach around the prime of 27 or 28 you come in and fill right away. The coaches at there state level are usually quite experienced and high class.

I think more important than the coach is the captain. On the field the captain makes all descions from batting lineup to bowling changes to just leading and aspiring. the captain has a more impact but a coach can give stability and professionalism to some of the most paindu people around.

Look up the word context my dear Marooned friend...C O N T E X T

I was merely replying to a post by another fellow PPer...and I was only looking at his comments about other high profile players and their misdemeanors

i disagree with shane warne bcoz i think every sport team need a coach to help them like Bob woolmer, he has helped pakistan a lot and has given good support to players and their team is much more religous and cultured.

What has BW got to do with team religion and culture...lol

ok then please explain why professional tennis players like Andre Agassi, Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick hire coaches? IMO it is to gain that competitive advantage over other players using the techniques I listed in the previous post.

I am not talking about any other sport. Obviously every sport is different.

I was only talking about cricket.

Agreed that tennis and cricket are different but cricket is an even more complex sport than tennis so having a coach to provide guidance definitely helps. I also don't see why it should matter that cricket and tennis are different. Both are sports which pits players against each other and the objective is to win isn't it?

But that's just my opinion so let's agree to disagree.

useless comment

Maybe Shane Warne is implying that instead of the new age "laptop coaches", we need coaches who are more hands-on..

You are right on the money here. Aussies have a very mature domestic cricket system wherein by the time players are playing international cricket, they rarely need any serious coaching. So may be Shane Warne's comment was from the point of view of Aussies. But we can't say the same about, say, Indian domestic cricket which is in one word, pathetic and can't do without coaches.

But how would you explain then james anderson having his action completely remodeled as he was having trouble. also in the current aus/SA series i believe it was dippenar who kept on getting bowled and they were saying that their is a series fault in his technique. these can be looked at only by a professional coach who sees them and then rectifies them. also a coach's job would be to analyze the opposite teams deficiency, what troubles them. remember sehwag and how he cant play short bowl or for that matter ganguly as well. sehwag is trying to rectify it with the help of their coach. so a coach is definately required

Well thats pretty much what happened to our cricketes in WI if memory serves me right and we also had high profile case about bookies didnt we. suffice is to say that shane warne record outside of cricket is as bad as some of our very own legends as well.

The point has been somewhat missed.

Techniques are more malleable when your between 8-19. Much harder to change techniques radically when a person is in their 20s. Therefore it makes sense for the best coaches to be utilised coaching youngsters. That was the point.

By the time your in your 20s, it is more a case of fine tuning, which a coach can help you with. But ultimately the onus is on the cricketer to improve himself.



You did not have to be a coach to work that out.

now that hitting is below the belt.

Yet in his autobiography Warne is very complimentary to the coaches he served under during the early stages of his career.

Coaches are important in my opinion at the senior level, but what is even more important is for the coaches to be thorough and professional at junior level, as this is the time when bad habits are picked up.

if you go back a decade or so, coaches of any team never even got a mention not even bob woolmer when he was with south-africa...its only after the 2000 that coaches are getting more n more involved, otherwise 70,s80,s90,s coaches didnt have such a major role to play, if you put shanes comment on that, then hes actually right...you need coaches at the lower level, dont think you need any coaching at the highest level, all you need is a bit of tunning, for me i still cant see any improvements in some players Ala sourav ganguly or salman butt or even farhat, all still have the same problem......wonder what the coaches are doing

I think you need coaches in places where first class system isn't the greatest. And coaches do give captains a helping hand even when Captain has to do every thing on the field. He makes it easier for the team outside the field.

Oooo ! Looks like Buchanan has again snatched Shane's cell phone away ....