Opening Solution For Pakistan !!!!!!

I posted this in another thread the other day and i thought i want some views on this
here goes we have had this opening problem for many years know and its getting to a ridicilous stage
we all know how good kamran is as a batsmen with guts and class although not the complete batsmen yet. in another year or 2 definantly.
i propose kamran to open in test and 1 day matches and we find another good keeper which would be far easier.as their are plenty around i'm sure
so we could open with kamran and shoaib malik . 2 of the better players in the pak team.
for me its the only solution to butt and farahat who will never learn and we canot persist with these 2 as we canot chase 350 odd runs when we are 2 down for around 20 odd .

AGREED?
i could go on but i think i have made my point
thankyou khal

in ODI's perhaps kamran can open like gilly for aussies. but in test matches you cant be serious. after keeping wickets for the 90 plus over you expect him to open the innings??? that isnt going to work. this has already been discussed in previous posts as well.
and malik is injured we need working combinations for eng/pak series at the moment.

lol how abt YK giving up batting and becoming a fast bowler?

your missing the point its easier to replace a wicket keeper than it is to find decent pakistan openers.
i am saying kamran to become a full time opener and find another keeper.

your missing the point i am saying kamran to become a full time opener to partner malik when he is fitt
as it will be easier to find another full time keeper than it will has been finiding decent openers so called specialists as butt and farhat

how about moving faisal up to open with farhat?

...temporary solution until malik is back

YK replaces Butt

Perhaps Kamran's brother, Adnan, could keep....
I like this idea, because Kamran as a batsman is just so impressive that I wish he would bat up the order in Tests

possible solution but i would prefer faisal at around 5 or 6 and then hopefully be the inzimam replacement. i think this guy is ok better than butt as he more or less opened the innings the other day in a pressure situation and made runs.
but yes agreed could be a temporary soloution
khal

what about stickin with the odi format with both kamran & afridi to open
drop farhat & butt ; bring in adnan akmal to keep & yk to replace butt

Lets not over react after one match especially in case of Farhat. Butt is going through a really bad patch but I am sure he will come out of it sooner rather than later. It is just a pitty that Bari doesn't have the guts to try new openers but in test cricket specialist opener always do better than makeshift ones.

there is no way kamran will become full time opener and quit keeping,

look at gilchrist,
look at alec stewart!!

kamran should only open in batting if pakistan bat first otherwise he should remain at number 8

Kamran should not open and should keep

keeping destroys a batsmans career. But for now he is fine where he is. We could easily fix it if inzi wasnt lazy and wanted to move up to one down.

What I fail to understand is that why Akmal bats below Razzaq and Afridi in most games, he is clearly a better batsman than both yet Inzi fails to realize his batting ability. To me it seems like the batting order is more based on seniority than planning.

Drop two openers,
Reshuffle the batting order

Razzaq
Afridi
Malik or another batter
Y. Khan
Moyo
Inzi
F Iqbal
Akmal

Bowlers:
Gul
Kaneria
Sami

as of right now i see absoultely no opening solutions sorry if it hurts

afridi in tests to open bad idea and we all know it
khal

how bout sami and gul opening. lets reverse the order that combination might last longer with their swishing around than butt and farhat combined together

alec stewart i think batted at 5 which is above kamran. gilchrist can bat anywhere just like kamran. but the aussies do not have the openers problem we have . so why not solve it with kamran and get another keeper whats the big deal
anyway with alec their was always the dilema should he batt and keep wicket at the same time and most agreed he should have been a full time batsman only and open the innings.

wouldn't be surprised

this is not 1 match this charades has been going on too long. butt and farhat aint coming out of nothing. if they cant play on a pitch that was good for bassicly 5 days then when.

get rid of butt and farhat once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!

Malik is going to be one of the openers when he comes back i don't think there's a doubt about that now.

shoot butt in the head, thats the solution.

Have you noticed what has happened to ghilcrists batting its in downward spiral had he been a specialist he would have countinued to score.

Same thing with alec stewart his best batting came as specialist.

I know its the in thing for keepers to be all rounders. But it really affects there batting.

I think Imran farhat is solid as of now, he has batted well. When shoaib malik comes back he will bat with him and the order will remain.

All we need from the openers is see out the new ball and both i think have the ability.

how about giving faisal iqbal a try

Faisal iqbal cant play seamers let alon face the new ball. If i was opening bowler bowling to him. I would bowl at his chest. basically attack him.

he does face the new ball everytime the openers get out

What some of you guys don't realise is that if Kamran replaces Butt or Farhat up the order, our batting will get weaker anyway because the replacement keeper would not be as good a batsman as Kamran is down the order. With the added risk of opening he may not score as many runs either. The only viable reason for opening with Kammy would be if we could play another specialist (i.e. another batsman or another bowler)

I'd stick with Farhat up the order with the possibility of Faisal Iqbal as he has more or less opened anyway. Also, some of you guys might laugh but I think if Farhat plays all three of the remaining Tests, he will score at least 2 centuries. He looks in good form and if managed well by Inzi and Bob he will do OK.

I am getting back to the overall point hasan,bazid, and faisal all are afraid of the new ball. Faisal purposely would open bazid even though he was reluctant. These guys arent mentally ready to open as say shoaib malik who has taken the oppurtunity hands on to stay in the team. All we need is someone solid that averages in the 30s.

we have been hearing this after every match, give this guy a try, give that guy a try,

Malik is doing a fine job but he is injured so the problem is with only one guy. Farhat is reckless but he is doing an okay job at the moment. When Malik comes back it wont be as bad as it is right now.
Akmal should not open. Opening an innings is a full time job and he is having a solid year at the position he plays. You move him around make your tail weak loose a batsman down the order who is making runs with the tail. I am sure that would also effect his keeping too. Thats too much to ask from the guy. Making Akmal open is not the solution its creating another problem. Let Butt and Farhat duke it out. It they cant get it together then you have Taufeeq coming over and Hameed is around too.

Akmal is one of the best wicketkeepers going around at the moment so promoting him to open the batting and keeping him in the team solely as a batsmen really doesn't make any sense. Taufeeq is being bought into the squad and Malik is injured at the moment so we still have a few options up our sleeve over the long run.

It seems people are still over-awed by Farhat's flashy strokeplay

Just count the number of times the guy has just given his wicket away to the opposition (in some difficult situations aswell). If he doesnt sort out his reckless strokeplay, shoot him in the head aswell

Yeah but compaired to Butt he is doing an okay job. I am not saying that he has cemented his spot but if its between him and Butt right now then he gets the job.

I agree with some of the criticism Butt gets. But if both play and I had to pick on one player who can make a big score in the 2nd test, then i'd pick Salman. Having said that, i doubt either of the two will do it!

If Pakistan bat first, then let Akmal open. He will be fresh and when he gets out, he will have time to recuperate before coming in as keeper. As Akmal's partner, how about Razzaq? He plays the quicks much better than he plays the spinners. He can be pretty solid as we know. This combination has got to be better than Butt, Farhat, Umar, etc.

Razzaq backs away to middle/leg in defence and doesnt cover the line. he would be a sitting duck in my view.

it does make sense as pakistan are finding it impossible to find genuine gutsy openers. kamran is class and has guts and has the potential to be a top opener

get rid of butt and farhat!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think such drastic action is required as yet. Finding a keeper/batsmen as talented as Akmal is no easy feat, and as the situation stands we need to have a little more persistence with our openers.

Malik has been doing a fairly good job and needs more time opening in different conditions to show his worth. Farhat has been getting starts but needs to be a little less careless once he gets going. Butt has had one bad test match after making a fifty in his last innings before that (vs India). A little more patience is required.