Sajjid Mahmood/Stuart Broad - not too sure about their bowling actions...

NO one has suggested this and I am no expert but since I was jumping up and down about Shabbir in the Windies tour, I have to say that to the naked eye, there is some last minute lurch/jerk in Sajjid Mahmoods action - you have to watch the replays - its not smooth as say Jon Lewis etc - maybe its due to the extra effort he puts in - maybe its the angle but next time ( if he is selected in ODIs ) - do watch his final delivery action ( specifically his wrist ) and let me know your thoughts.

Disclaimer: This is not a cheap shot at Sajjid - I really do admire his dedication and hard work to have made it to the top in English Test cricket but since I started that topic on Shabbir in Windies - I want to apply the same standard here.

Am not sure he can actually bowl, never mind his action!

AJ - you are a cruel man ! He did destroy us in Headingley !

Yeah he must be chucking, he has a funny name. Oh no wait, he plays for England therefore he cant be chucking.

Good point; It doesn't look the best of actions, but I hope the Pakistan fans on this board don't just agree that it is illegal straight away just because he's English.

I dont think its illegal as ICC directives are clear on these things - but it does look odd and doesnt look that clean. Just wanted to check if others felt that.

To be honest hes not that good, Yes hes got pace, but hes just another sami. Once in blue moon he will knock a team over and then rest of time he will just be high paced cannon fodder. I really cant understand why english management rate him so highly.

let him bowl those lollipops..more feasting for the pakistani players.


England only have Anderson and Flintoff to worry the world...maybe Lewis...if he is retained.

rest are expensive.

Well this is the same England management team who think Rikki Clarke is international quality and Glen Chapple isn't.

Sajid Mahmmood Is Gd Bowla But He Needs 2 Gt His Line N Length To Perfection And Learn The Art Of Reverse Swing Then He Cld Become A Domaint Bowler For England Buttt I Dont Think That Will Happen

Sajid's looks ok but on occasion Broad has had me raising my eyebrows!!

Trust me; It's been mentioned a few times on the County circuit but it's fine.

Has it? It's just that he looks like he's pinging his faster ones but I'm prepared to give him the benefit

stuart broad isnt that gd he got a but luky daz all, youngsters do gd in there 1st few games but there real test will be if they can be consistant enough i personally think broad will be out of the team within 4 months if he goes to australia he will get hit all over the park!

Yeah, there has been whispers of him having a suspect action when he tries to bowl faster, but his action is completley fine.

nothing wrong with his action. he tries to use his wrist which gives the allusion that there may be a chuck somewhere, but his action's pretty clean.

Shabbir was another catagory.

Like they say 'innocent until proven guilty'

There seems to be a kink in Mahmood's action especially when he is delivering the effort ball.

Sad Mahmood has a simple action and he gets good speed, just imagine he tries a shaoib akhtar action, he can be evan faster!

Notice how people can talk about 'dubious' bowling actions of non-Pakistani cricketers at will, but whenever mentions 'chuck' alongside Shoaib Akhtar's name then a million angry Pakistanis crawl out of the woodwork and abuse whoever said it.

Disclaimer 1: I am not suggesting Shoaib Akhtar is indeed a chucker.
Disclaimer 2: By saying a million angry Pakistanis, I am not saying that every Pakistani is angry nor am I saying there are really a million that are like that.

Doubts have been raised over Broad before but he's fine, as for Mahmood people say they only see problems with the effort ball, but which bowler's effort ball doesn't look slightly different to their stock ball - and therefore create the illusion that they have to chuck to produce the effort ball. Which of course they aren't chucking anyway.

If a bowler has a dodgy action he will be called up and investigated - if someone is either yet to be called up, or has been investigated and cleared, nobody has any right to try and act like some ICC official, by belittling the ability and effort of any legal bowlers of their choice.

I notice...the thick veil of nationalism

i think you are half right - i have never noticed the lurch in his action but there is definitley a jerk in there

there is definitely straightening in Saj's delivery arm. It may well be that it is within the 15 degree limit. Alternatively, he could have hyper-extension issues - if so, it needs to be proven by biomechanics experts.

As for Broad, I normally switch off when this pie chucker is bowling....

Has Sajjid ever been given the new ball? He bowls over 90mph and granted he is erratic but its still early days in his career. Clarke and Broad get the new ball and Sajid does not - that's just plain silly.

I dont see anything wrong with Broad, however Mahmood looks suspect the odd ball. Seems on the more effort or short ball.

Isn't it funny that some outside posters here (English and Aussie Fans) are so quick to jump in to any discussion and accuse us of bias...when they themselves follow the Hair/Speed school of thought i.e. when someone accuses a white bowler/person of some wrong, just accuse the other party back!

BTW, how am I supposed to trust a few English fans on the issue that Broad's action is 'FINE?'

Were there any tests done...can you show me a report?

When a Pakistani bowler is accused or talked about 'Having a suspect action'...everyone wants us to take him to the Air Test, Hair Test, Speed Test, Forsenic Test, and 'Test to Test the Tests'...etc.

But when we discuss about one of them...we just have to trust the moral high horses like couple of posters in this thread and agree it's just 'FINE'

Bull comes to mind and no not Red Bull either....

I also dont understand the reason to mention Shoaib here... so are we saying that the way to tell us that there is nothing wrong with Broad/Saj's action is to somehow drag in Shoaib - who btw, has been cleared by medical experts and the ICC ?

Pointless argument.

The thing about Shoaib is that sadly there will always be some who will raise eyebrows about his action, no matter what test and scrutiny clears him.

And I dont mind that Raz - one is free to raise that issue in another thread but this thread is about these 2 English bowlers and to defend them by saying that "well Shoiab's action is also not legal either etc " - is no defence ! Infact, all that does is it makes me suspect their action more.

We will all be watching their actions ( ie if Mahmood plays at all ) very very carefully tonite