The truth about 'Friend' aka 'Irfan' (for the old PP users)

Just came across this, posted by his best mate 'Mallhi' on their website.

I only have 1 thing to say-we said it all along. The doubters are silenced.

Sit down, and enjoy....


Posted by: Mallhi: on: Mar 31, 05; 10:28AM

Friend (Irfan) has been BANNED for Good!


It is my sad duty to let everyone know that Friend (Irfan) has been begrudgingly BANNED for good from this board once and for all. There were many reasons behind this and I would like to highlight some of them so that people would know about it.

When we started the board, Irfan had been given administrator rights and free reign to play around with the board and adjust settings to help improve the experience of users on the board. There was only one caveat - that he could not and should not adjust settings of a sensitive nature during peak times as this could potentially disrupt the experience of posters on the board if the site went down temporarily. Now this is common sense, but as the Russians would say common sense is very uncommon. Despite laying out this condition clearly, Irfan did exactly the opposite, not once, not twice, not thrice but four times. For the first three times the site went down, the matter was let go - after all mistakes happen and we're all human. The fourth time however, was the straw that broke the camel's back. Not only did he make changes, but he lost the password to the database. This resulted in the site being down temporarily which many of you will remember. This happened at a most inopportune time - the Pakistan India series was on, discussions were peaking, new members were joining. Not only was the site down, but because he changed the password to the database without bothering to keep track of it, he couldn't fix the problem. He made the administrators of the board (himself and I) look like fools when he went to the site administrators asking for help with words "My board is gone, help me". This was utterly embarrassing. After this, I decided that it would perhaps be better if Irfan be relieved of his administrator rights, he was still going to be a moderator, but as an administrator he had failed on more than one occasion. The icing on the cake was that when I admonished him, he instead of being sorry, jumped on me, telling me it wasn’t as if someone had died – he didn’t accept responsibility for his actions and instead made it out as if nothing had happened. Unfortunately that was not the case. The board suffered because of him and instead of being accountable, he dismissed it as if it was nothing.

Now while this issue was still being discussed between him and myself, he started creating threads and sending PMs to some users straight away telling them that "Mallhi has turned against me..." He then abruptly decided to leave the board since he didn't like the fact that I was taking the admin access away from him. But that wasn't the end of it, he insinuated that there must have been other people who influenced me implying that others are out to get him. He also deleted his account, again implying that he was being kicked out of the board, not that he was leaving because he couldn't stomach a decision made in the best interests of the board and its posters. He created this TAMASHA for himself and made us all look like a laughing stock. Now I never wanted this issue to be discussed in front of other users (there was afterall no need to do that) and it was meant to be discussed/solved among ourselves but he made sure that it wouldn’t happen that way.

Once he left, many of us noticed that he would still visit the site, and many of us asked him to come back – some of the moderators knew he would come back since he has had a history of pulling such stunts before in the past – leave in a huff, then come back crawling apologizing and hugging and that is exactly what happened. Regardless, again mistakes happen, so when he did come back we were all happy, he mentioned in his comeback post that issues can happen between anyone and that I am like his family. Well then if that was the case, then didn’t he know that such issues should not have been made public and that one should not make his friend or family member a laughing stock in front of others especially over such small issues like this?

Despite him doing all this, I called him back and asked him to join the board again, not just as a regular poster but as moderator and as administrator – all this despite the problems we faced due to his irresponsible handling of the administrator functions. Now you would ask why? Well simply because I felt that this was in the interest of the board and I didn’t want to disturb or disrupt the atmosphere of the board because of this.

But now that he’s been back, I have hardly seen him posting or contributing to the board. A total of 27 posts and most the times I see him sending messages to different users and I always wondered what was he up to.

The issue this time was that Irfan had doubts over the credibility of a several posters. Now I had no problems with that, the other moderators and I discussed the issue with him in detail and assured him about the credibility of that user and asked him to chill and wait for some time until everything becomes clear for him and his doubts will fade away. I told him to ignore that user for a while, however, Irfan’s intentions were obviously different. He decided to start sending PMs to other users, telling them that the user xyz is not real, that he is a fake, that he is spreading lies, and that his co-moderators don’t believe him and aren’t giving him proper respect. In any case, here’s where things went wrong:


When he had his doubts over the particular user and he had already discussed with the PCB Moderators team, what was the need of sending PMs to other regular users and spoil the atmosphere of the board by telling that a particular user is a fake.

In order to prove his point, he started leaking out the IP address of that member without the permission of that user to other regular posters. He did this without asking or consulting any of the other moderators. This was blatantly wrong.

Giving out the IP address to other users wasn’t enough though, in another act of extreme irresponsibility, he gave out his own password to a few users knowing well enough that this is unacceptable for a moderator or administrator so that those users can login and then obtain the IP address of the other user and track it. While he claimed that he only did it for a minute, there is proof that this lasted for over half an hour. Regardless whether it lasted for a minute or a day, this was irresponsible of him to give out his login particulars so that other users who do not have the same privilege could now browse the board as if they too were a moderator or an administrator.

This wasn’t enough for him, he started telling lies about his co-moderators – people who just a month ago he would call “bro” and would claim that he respected as if they were his elder brothers and its not as if he left me out either, he started telling people that I betrayed him as well. You might ask how did I find out? Well thanks to a couple of users who forwarded his messages to me yesterday, I realized the true nature of this person - Baghal Me Churi, Mun mein Ram Ram!

I take no joy in posting this thread, but you have to remember this person made a lot of accusations and a lot more threats to many of us on PP.

A lot of stuff was said about Saj...and what Mallhi has now posted is a portrait of a boy who needs help.

I hope he gets it.

i was bored and read all that
that guy has serious issues and needs to sort them out

i can't believe irfan did things which may have revealed email address of users.

that is a serious breach of contract . not only is it unsafe but what he did is probably illegal.

post at pCB at ur own risk

lol


I remember that guy from the old PakPassion. He does have serious issues.....he'd be abusive and threatening one day and then the next he would start apologising and being all 'bro' about it all. It was just a constant circle.....abuse, apologise profusely, abuse, apologise profusely etc etc

Not only that, he also posts from users' IDs.

What a sad end to his online "career", LOL.

Many posters like Nadeem showed compassion to Friend. They gave him the benefit of any doubt.

Nadeem made personal recommendations to Saj for the guy...to get him back to PakPassion.

I was hoping that a position of responsibility on his own site would have changed the boy, but evidently not.

mona, what did he do? posted as U on pcb??

When he was banned from PP I thought it was a very good move. He had turned this place into a circus with his tantrums. He has some issues and I hope he sorts them out.

Yeah there was this thread where I defended PP, he banned me and posted as me. Disgusting act by a person running a website.

Mallhi 'walked out' of PP because he didnt believe us that friend was a loose cannon and now he's banned him himself.

BTW the really interesting bit is that friend only got banned AFTER he started telling everyone that 'their inside source and secret reporter' was made up and had the same IP address as another user of PCB...



...Basically they sit there for hours make up fake interviews and 'dressing room scoops' to get and keep members.

Chalo each to his own as they say. Also friend isnt the only unhinged person there, most of their moderator/admin team falls into that category!!

lol!

pure hilarity!

The whole irony of this episode is his old PP nick id= friend.

this is wat he did on the old pp forum is well. lol

Actually people, I have to admit that the inside source was indeed TheSourceNews... apologies for misleading "the Friend"....

MiggyBro continuing to cause problems.
BTW, it could someone who has received these threats tell everyone how it felt

From Name Withheld:



"I was like walking home from school the other day and this friend guy kinda jumped in front of me , wearing a Batman costume and said that he wanted my lunch money or he would write posts that would hurt the very basis of societys moral fibre....it was tough - cant go on - everybody out there - watchout for The Friend ...."

From Name witheld 2:-



"...he made me do it. He made me create the false IDs...said he wanted to get back at 'The Saj'...thats all he told me..I wouldnt have done but the threat of body bags and going back inside scared the **** outta me...well I have wife and family. Oh my God..he made me do it... (interview terminated: Witness inconsolable)"

lol. so it was fake.

who made him the admin in the first place

friend and mallhi set up the PCB forum themselves. They were the two founders and i must say its a bit lame to chuck him out like this.

Wah ji wah ! It doesn't give their site much credibility does it, when you have to make up false IDs and mislead and cheat on their very own users. Credit though to Irfan for revealing this fact.

What about the credibility of their members? I only read one of these 'reports' and i knew it was fake straight away. The guy was claiming to be 'in the Pak dressing room' during all 5 days of every test and he was relaying back private conversations between individuals as though he could hear everything being said. A professional coach like Bob wouldnt allow players to bring 'friends' into the dressing room. Even the wives have to sit in the stands!!!

I have to say that friend does deserve a lot of credit for standing up to the other admins lies and exposing their fraud for what it is. I cant believe they would ban the person for the benefit of whom the forum was created so as to perpetuate a fraud. PCB was created as somewhere where friend and his supporters could post after he was banned from PP and now he himself is banned from the board created specifically for him!!

I cant believe this is actually happening

Those reports are great, especially the quotes they made up

Perehaps they should have called one of their reporters 'Shoddy bhai'

nice reports

it was kind of funny when irfan was on pp coz he did entertainment with his funny threats

...not if you're on the receiving end!

seriously how can any1 get scared with threats over the net

...its not the actual threat Was; the fact that they were actually made in the 1st place...what drives a person to resort to this behaviour in the 1st place against strangers online?

Some turd telling me that they will put me in a bodybag??? I ll give him my address and tell him where to meet me!!!

i get what u mean oxy but if irfan had said what he did to muddaser i would of laughed off coz hes funny person to laugh at

I've read some of the stuff hes said to Nadeem. Cant help but laugh. I certainly wouldnt expect anyone over the age of 15 to talk like that

Just to let everyone know I'm not the Irfan referred to. I was actually quite surprised that i managed to get this id, I though it would have been taken. Now I see why...

Anyways I'm new to PP and am mostly a lurker but if I do start to post more I hopepeople realise that I'm atotally new person & have no idea about the history of 'Irfan'. Or maybe I should just get a new id.

You aint fooling me buddy ....






Welcome to PP and dont change your Id - its fine.

no probs Irfan - thanks for that. Your id is fine, but if you want to change it in future, please let me know.

welcome to the pp irfan

"The guy was claiming to be 'in the Pak dressing room' during all 5 days of every test and he was relaying back private conversations between individuals as though he could hear everything being said. A professional coach like Bob wouldnt allow players to bring 'friends' into the dressing room."

With all due respect the same could be said for Noddy on this forum. The only basis for validating the basis of Noddy's comments is that the Mod say that he is what he claims to be. In short there is very little transparency on this issue. And when Noddy claims that he was there when a WC 1/4 final match was being fixed by the acting Pakistani capitain, the administrative authoritiy are indirectly backing this statement, as they have given their personal assurance that they have validated Noddy.

actually, Noddy's statements (like this is going to be the team, etc.) are very true. also, his opinion on up-and-coming players usually holds true

Noddy has never claimed to be in the dressing room. He says he sits in the press box.

noddy has given the team sometime a good 4 or 5 hours before it has been announced the guy is real

Noddy is an ex-player and helps the team out with coaching, etc.

Also the guy on PCB was claiming to be in India but from what i hear friend checked his IP and found out he was in islamabad. He tried to get tell the PCB Admins but they were apparently the ones behind the fraud and when he tried to leak the truth he was banned!!

Huge difference there!!

so irfan is the good guy then, a posible return to pp again???

You should bear in mind that friend only exposed 'the source' because his role in PCB was being toned down. He'd gone from co-founder, to admin, to mod, to being banned and then brought back.

Basically he was being treated like faeces and so he took his revenge by exposing them. Its funny how he never mentioned any of this stuff before he was being sidelined.

As far as i'm concerned i have no problem with Irfan returning to PP as 'friend' as long as he behaves himself but i dont know about any of the others. He is actually already here and has been almost since we opened, whether or not he wants to expose himself is up to him.

I've known for a while but i havent said anything and i wont, after all nobody should be denied access to the number one Pakistani forum on the internet

Noddys teams/squads are often on the ball.

Merc - now that you have partially let the cat out of the bag , be prepared for accusations all over the place about how so and so must be Irfan

Personally, I have my suspicions on a few members - infact lets name him its MAROONED - yes this innocent member who supposedly knows a lot about cricket and wants to act all decent and things - must be him - has to be him ...

how did u guess?

eureka !!!

Barney thinking power Merc. ;)+

Mercenary

"Also the guy on PCB was claiming to be in India but from what i hear friend checked his IP and found out he was in islamabad. He tried to get tell the PCB Admins but they were apparently the ones behind the fraud and when he tried to leak the truth he was banned!!"

With due respect, there is nothng preventing the Mods on this fourm from doing the same.

Do not get me wrong, I have noting against what Noddy says, but to an objective observer the probability of PP going down the route of PCB is not very dissimilar. The PCB "expert" was an unknown entity, and Noddy is an unknown entity. PCB used their expert to promote their forum, Noddy is being used to promote this forum. The mods on the PCB claimed that their expert was an ex-Pak cricketer who did not want his identity exposed, PP are also claiming Noddy is an ex-cricketer who does not want his identity removed.

And please note, Noddy does not only comment on team selection, he has claimed in a recent post that he was there in person when the 1/4 Final match between Pak/India was being fixed. This is a inside scoop if ever there was one.

In my opinion this forum is walking a very tight rope, and doing so without a safty net. By endorsing the status and position of a member and backing his opinions, they are lending a high degree of credibility to his claims and opinions.

The proper approach would be to identify the individual and to say that he is expresses his opinions in his personal capacity. And as everyone would know who this individual is they would be able to validate his claim. And if the expert does not want his identify made public they should say to him that you are free to post on the public forum, but the PP web site will not endorse those opinions (as being those of an expert) by giving you your own section.

I had this discussions some time back on the old PP forum, and I was told that I was being too pedantic, but this was exactly the steps need to stop the fraud that took place at PCB.

Another point to note, if Noddy has the courage of conviction to bring to light the matching fixing events, by extension he should have the courage to do so with his identify know. This is not a throw away comment that can be made and forgotten about, this is a national team losing WC semi-final spot so that certain players to become very rich. What is the responsibility of the forum and the Mod on this regards, do they owe a duty of care to the reputation of Pakistani cricket by running this forum. Or is this a free for all to make whatever accusations they wish under the status of an "inside source" but without the trouble of the readership knowing their identify.

Apart from exposing yourself to a great deal of legal risk, you are also doing a great deal of damage what you hold dear, Pakistani cricket. And the sad realisty is that people who wish to protect this forum are made out to be the trouble makes.

Why should Noddy's view be representative of anyone else.

He can say what he wants-the fact that his views (and mine and yours) are expressded through PakPassion, doesnt mean that PakPassion endorses them?

Also, Buzz announced their 'man on the inside' and within weeks it exploded in their face. Noddy Bhai has been on PakPassion for over a year and no problems. No extravagant claims made like they did over there.

Hasan-It doesnt bother me who Noddy bhai is? Why should it bother you. At least if yu think he is a fraud, then you should carry on believing it.

Oxy

you have skimmed over all the issues i have raised in my post. Note, I am not against Noddy posting on this forum, he has as much right as the next person. But please tell me why does this forum feel the need to give Noddy his own section and to endorse his status. And by doing so taking responsibility for the comments that Noddy makes, and by extension you are also part taking in the claim that a Pakistani capitain fixed the WC game. You have no basis to verify this claim of Noddy, but as he is your "Credible Inside Source" you have boxed yourself in a very tight corner. And you make your readership believe that Noddy is credible by giving him his own section right after Bob Woolmer. This is not a very satisfactory situation to be in if your underlying objective is to enourage open and fair discussion about Pakistani cricket. And the issues of match fixing is not a issue to be taken lightly.

I am puzzled that you do not see any risk in this course of action, and I find it rather ironic that PCB and its administration was being criticised for the very same risk to which this forum is subject exposed.

OK please let me know what the Forums position is on the claim that Noddy made about him being in the practice net when Wasim Akram was making the deal to fix the 1996 WC match against India. What is the official position of this fourm on the comments made by Noddy ("inside source" -who has a special section where his opinions are given high prominance) regarding the matching fixing event. Was he commenting in his personal non-expert capacity or was this the comment of Noddy the PP "inside expert source"?

Hasan

regardless of who or what Noddy is and whether he is an ex-cricketer or some nerd sitting behind his computer all day, fact remains matches were fixed. I underatand that it is very hard to substantiate such claims, but I have also heard the same from an ex Pak cricketer who is friend's with someone I used to play cricket with and know well. Call him a big brother to me as he was and used to take us to play cricket froma young age. I am 100% sure of his integrity. Just to clarify I did not speak to this ex cricketer or am friend's with him but rather my older 'brother' is. Also the information was not related to WC q-finals but another match in Pakistan where the same allegedly guilty party rang the aforementioned player, invited him into his room and offered him a sum to under-perform. I am very convinced that this is the truth but obvioulsy I cannot prove it to you. My point though is that I am aware of this and so are other people and just because I posted this or X posts this does not imply PP collusion or even endorsement of mine or X's point of view.

I also dont particularly care whether anyone chooses to believe this because that is their choice, to believe or to dismiss. You can follow either path.

pffft hardly sensible but sometimes what we believe to be true has to be shared ;)..and by that I read sensible in it's traditional sense. Ca'nt be sure with you ;)

No he wasnt, he was a made up guy named umar who even had his own wedding photo as his avatar.



Whilst Noddy's views are appreciated by many he's never been used in the same way they used their 'source' Often Noddy doesnt visit/post on PP for weeks/months. PP runs well with or without Noddy, although we are happy to have him here to share his views.



Actually the guy on PCB was supposed to be a childhood friend of Salman Butt, not a player or an ex-player but a superfan who was always around the team and its entourage!! His identity wasnt secret as he had his own photo as his avatar!!

Hasan, you seem to have very little clue what you are talking about and none of your comparisons hold up to any scrutiny! I know you dislike Noddy's views and have been vocal about this same issue in the past and its clearly clouding your judgement once again as can be seen in the posts above.

There is a huge difference between 'making up a source' and positively promoting him to all and sundry and having a poster who occasionally gives his views on the team, selection and other issues. Noddy's views were collated not because of the admins but because of the request of a large number of PakPassioners. You obviously are not amongst them so you need not read that webpage.

On PP we dont endorse Noddy's comments and as for the matchfixing story well its not the first one i will have heard and neither is it the last!

Im surprised you cant see the difference between our approach and the fraudulent approach at PCB where i have also been told one of their admins has been making up meetings and phone calls with Afridi as well as the 'super source'

Anyway at the end of the day, i think this thread has run its course now and i'm going to lock it as its not going anywhere. If anyone has any further comments to add, do not start another thread as it will be deleted. Just contact the admin team via the link provided in the menu!!

Hasan, you seem to want to bring up the Noddy bhai issue at every given opportunity.

My advice to you is simple. Stop getting stressed over the Noddy issue. I as site manager of PakPassion know the identity of Noddy Bhai, have his phone number and know where he lives when in the UK and know which clubs he has represented in Pak and England - so dont worry about that.

We have given Noddy bhai his own section due to posters constantly bombarding him with the same questions again and again about future players. The section is called Noddy's views and is mainly a reference point for player information and saves hii retyping the same stuff repeatedly

As for disclosing his identity, why should he. Nobody else has on here, your nick is Hasan, but you could be called something else. Its up to him if he wants to disclose it or not. Reminder PakPassion does not endorse the views of any individuals on the site. The site is all about opinions.

If you want to read or ignore his posts, that is up to you.