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Old 7th December 2006, 10:06
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How the WACA turned from a tiger to a pussycat

Interesting piece from Selvey, though he's probably using this info to come up with his "dead/unplayable pitch depending on how the Poms are going" excuses in the coming match.

Basically the WACA pitch has settled down because they've run out of the soil which gives it its bounce. They can resort to articifical tactics like leaving grass on or adding moisture, but those are just stop-gap tactics. I think it was last WACA-like when Pakistan played OZ in early 2005 and Akhtar reduced us to 5-70 or something in that opening session before Gilly and Langer (who both have the WACA as their home ground) mounted a rescue effort. That was the match that Pidge got 8fer. The year after, it was a high-scoring draw between OZ and SA.

The curator reckons he's found a suitable replacement finally, but who knows until they put it in and see what it's like over a period of a couple of years.

Shame - I used to love the sight of fast bowlers destroying batsmen at the WACA, and seeing the ones with good enough techniques thrive.

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Waca's answer lies in the soil as pillow fights replace spilled blood

The Waca pitch used to boil and fizz with pace and menace, but alas no more.
Mike Selvey
December 7, 2006 02:55 AM

There was a time when the Waca was special, a place where cricket could show an extreme capacity for variety in a modern world where standardisation is too often the norm. Pace was its watchword every bit as much as spin was for the Sydney Cricket Ground. No one came to Perth without the anticipatory tingle of watching a wicketkeeper leaping and tumbling to take deliveries like thunderbolts from the game's high-velocity bowlers. There was a whiff of cordite about the cricket.

Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson terrorised England here 30 years ago with such speed that the hands of Rodney Marsh behind the stumps were tenderised like pieces of chuck steak. Here Glenn McGrath claimed a hat-trick, and Curtly Ambrose, on a compelling roll like no other in the history of Test matches, produced a spell of seven Australia wickets for a single run dribbled from an inside edge past short-leg. Blood has been spilled, fingers and hands broken, jammed against bat handles, with batsmen bobbing and weaving like prizefighters.

That is no more, though. Cricket's bare-knuckle bruising has been replaced by pillow fights. The teeth and claws have gone. Little more than a month ago, on a pitch that many say will resemble the one on which England and Australia will contest the third Test in a week's time, Western Australia managed to score 608 for three against Victoria - Shane Warne and all - a total which included two large double centuries and a third wicket partnership of 459. It was, by all accounts, heartbreaking to play and even watch. Last year Australia played out a draw with South Africa unable to bowl out the visitors. Now it is the spinners who are doing the bowling, not so much holding sway as an act of humanity preventing pacemen from jamming the Samaritans' switchboard.

The problem, according to the groundsman, Cameron Sutherland, is that supplies of the special alluvial soil, found in a Western Australian river bed, with which the Waca's pitches were once constructed, have long since run out and the soil that was substituted was unable to match the clay content. "More like 60%," Sutherland reckons, "compared to 80% before."

The result is slow, moribund sandier pitches more characteristic of those found in the eastern states, a situation that has led to rumours that Australia could definitely include two spinners in their side on a ground that is not Warne's happiest, with 37 wickets in 11 Tests, and where Stuart MacGill has taken only six in two games. As if to reinforce the view, Western Australia's leading bowler there this season is an off-spinner, Aaron Heal. Spinners once left WA in droves to seek fame and fortune elsewhere.

There is little chance that the character of the pitch will change dramatically before the Test, despite some endeavour to inject a little more pace and life into the surface by the more artificial means of leaving grass on and moisture in. Just a week or so on from the match against Victoria, Sutherland, with the aid of this method, produced a pitch for a one-day match against Tasmania that had the WA captain, Justin Langer, purring enthusiastically that it was like the glory days again. There is talk that in preparing his Test pitch well in advance, and utilising a similar technique, he may yet help produce some cricket from the old school.

In the long term, though, the square needs replacing with the pitches relaid and now Sutherland believes that he has found a source of soil, at Waroona on the Harvey River, which carries the characteristics of the old soil. In three years' time, all being well, the Waca may be brought back to how it once was.

"I have gone down the road of getting soil samples from 20 years ago right through to now," Sutherland says, "and this is hard evidence that we are miles away from where we were before. It is not anybody's fault. Some sites have run out, and we have gone to other sites and it just hasn't been quite what we used to get. We need the characteristics and properties of the original soil."

Even that is not straightforward, according to Tony Dodemaide, the chief executive of the Waca. Finding the right sample is all very well but if it happens to be on private land then there could still be a problem. "Over the years it has involved an arrangement with the respective owners," he said, " but we are reliant now on sympathetic land owners." He is hopeful that in such circumstance a deal could be made, and one of the game's great institutions restored.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...n_the_soil.html

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Old 7th December 2006, 10:08
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Its not just Selvy - was listening to an Aussie ABC presenter bemoning what had happened to Perth - basically he was saying that they had destroyed the 'quickest strip in the world' in a matter of 2 years.

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Everyone has been saying this and some people are even saying the best bet at the Waca would be to go in with 2 specialist spinners.

I read something that said that they've managed to locate some clay which was similar to the old Waca pitch but it will take a while to create a new one from it. In the meanwhile, we'll see another subcontinental road

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it's very sad

the mention of the waca scares the s--- out of most subcontinentals
it takes a certain calibre of batsman to come out of the match, reputation unscathed

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Everyone has been saying this and some people are even saying the best bet at the Waca would be to go in with 2 specialist spinners.

I read something that said that they've managed to locate some clay which was similar to the old Waca pitch but it will take a while to create a new one from it. In the meanwhile, we'll see another subcontinental road


What's the latest on the MCG pitch, Daoud?

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What's the latest on the MCG pitch, Daoud?

Sorry mate, dont have a clue but Id imagine it would still offer more to the quicks than any of the remaining pitches (not that its saying much though)

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I dunno...we may have been against a poor quality side today but the WACA still looks like a pitch for the fast bowlers, though not what it once was. What we need is plenty of pace - when we are struggling for a breakthrough then the last thing we want is spinners or medium pacers bowling in tandem, which is what has happened a lot in this series. We need fast bouncers and yorkers.

I would go for Harmison, Mahmood and Flintoff, all are high eighties bowlers and low nineties on a good day, then Hoggard as the new ball medium pacer, and Panesar as the spinner. We might pick a different team and win, but going on what I've seen, that is who I would pick.

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SA played out a draw last yr that tells the story of the waca pitch

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there has to be a way to chemically form this clay

i'm not buying their claims that the sand has run out

The waca pitch has been devastating for batsmen for decades and decades and decades

besides like i said the soil can be replicated chemically

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there has to be a way to chemically form this clay

i'm not buying their claims that the sand has run out

The waca pitch has been devastating for batsmen for decades and decades and decades

besides like i said the soil can be replicated chemically


Could you outline the process to do this chemically? How would you do it?

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ask a chemist

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I don't think it's as slow as people make it out to be. Last year i remember Ntini running through Australia causing them all sorts of problems. Then Brett Lee did the same thing to the proteas. It's nowhere near it's peak pace but it'll have more for the quickies than nearly all of the other pitches in world cricket.

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Old 9th December 2006, 22:18
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You don't reckon the WACA groundsman would've done that already?

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I just don't like the fact that we are seeing too many 'similar' pitches! There should be an obvious difference between the pitches at Wankadhe and WACA !

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Is the new Perth curator someone named Jeera Blade. he has been quite successful in Pakistan and Indian

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=aaujVg76PbQ

I would love to see a pitch like that on Thursday - please not 3 more roads in the remaining tests.

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Old 10th December 2006, 20:02
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You don't reckon the WACA groundsman would've done that already?


haha the point is that what I'm suggesting isn't anything based on something new and cutting edge

All you need is to take the old waca soil compare its chemical structure with the new soil and add or subtract any differences

Chemists have been modding items for hundreds of years...

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Old 10th December 2006, 22:56
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haha the point is that what I'm suggesting isn't anything based on something new and cutting edge

All you need is to take the old waca soil compare its chemical structure with the new soil and add or subtract any differences

Chemists have been modding items for hundreds of years...


Takes time though, and a bit of trial and error. From FoxSports.com.au

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"They are using one of the oldest pitches on the wicket block which has a different type of couch grass on it so there should be more bounce and pace than the other wickets," [Gabba curator Kevin] Mitchell said.

"It will be more established than any other wicket on the block and therefore should have a different root structure to the newer pitches.

"All the signs are very promising and I know Cameron and his staff are working very hard to prepare a good Test match wicket."

Mitchell was invited over to the west to offer a second opinion on the WACA wicket block and to study recent soil analysis tests.

He said measures to stop the wicket cracking up several years ago may have contributed to the changing face of the WACA pitch.

A limited-overs match between WA and Queensland was abandoned on November 15, 2000, after just five overs when the umpires agreed the pitch posed a potential threat.

"Cracking was a problem and they tried a different clay content and they might have gone too far the other way," Mitchell said.

"They might have to go back to a different clay content if they want to go back to the old pitches with bounce and pace."

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Looks like the WACA will have a bit in it for the bowlers this year. Show these FTBs what test cricket is all about.

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