Shut up already

This is a humble appeal to all EX CRICKETERs including Imran Khan to SHUT UP already.. Okay, not so humble request after all, but they all DO need to shut up for the sake of Pakistan if they really care. We are like a couple of weeks away from the biggest cricket tournament and all they care about is sounding clever by pointing flaws in Woolmer and Inzy??? ( in response to http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/26/spt2.htm ) Will the real Pakistani in them please stand up??

Imran (the legend) Khan, Zaheer and others, if you are making these comments, are you even wishing for Pakistan to do well in this world cup? I will give you the answer, ITS a NO.. you are laying on the team's leadership in the 11th hour, this doesn't do us ANY good and quite frankly, it doesn't do you any good either. Relax please, Sami is the first on standby if that helps. Not that you should care, but it makes me lose respect for my heroes in you. I am embarrassed! Again, not that you should care but just imagine if you step up and give the boys some confidence by saying a few nice words about the team. Tough for you, ain't it? I hope not as much as it seems 'cuz media will still follow you; you have got a couple of weeks to make up.

Imran, i would have loved to see the look on your face if you team was criticized this much right before the World Cup. I just wish our team wins the WC and shut you all once and for all. The cheap publicity you guys are getting by criticizing Pakistan team will come back to haunt you, I just don't understand how you can live with yourself; quite a payback you guys are giving to the nation who cheered you on through thick and thin. Come on guys, its not the time to criticize, this is the time to STAND UNITED AND WISH THE UTMOST BEST FOR THE TEAM.

Billions of people log on everyday to see some good news about Pakistan cricket, but all we get is gripes on PCB, Woolmer, Akhtar, Inzy and others. Come on you people, one intangible that we've always enjoyed is our "josh" and the prayers from countless hands. How will our team get those intangibles if we continue our finger pointing? This is the time to see the postives in each player and boost their morales by wishing them well. Unfortunately, the only three players in limelight are Shoaib and Asif for their injuries/doping issue and Inzi for his leadership speculations. While he may not be Imran Khan, he really is our BEST option at the time and we NEED to back him up as much as we can.

Confidence is one of the things that can do wonders for a team. We need to bestow enough of it in the team so that when they enter the grounds, they know their nation is behind them and they need to make us proud. The state of the team is not as gloomy as it seems. We got several match winners and the conditions in the Carribeans suit us well. So the legend of Pakistan, please, pretty please, just look at the positives of Pakistan cricket and give them boys some confidence. It is long overdue!

Go Pakistan!

If you aint a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem!

Great post. couldnt agree more. All these havebeens are now flapping their wings on the eve of the WC after hibernating in an open manhole for the last few years. If you are that worried about Pak cricket why dont you step up and take some responsibility? If you arent capable of doing that, just shut your pie holes!

No, in Pakistan it goes like this: If you are not having your pockets filled or don't have a Kuursee under you...wait for the opportunity and then create a problem!

Thank you, I fully agree with you. AS of recent, I find alot of Imran's comments just non sense. There are some people who worship the ground he walks upon but I now i just see him comment on things that need not commented.

The best part is how people slack Musharraf for commetning on cricket...what about Imran Khan? Isn't he some big politican? Shouldn't be be focussing on Pakistani's problems like Mushy instead of commenting on cricket? Why is he worrying about Sami when we have the poor dieing? Exactly, just hold the same standards when you judge two people who are on a similar level.

ridiculous thread.

they have every right to voice their opinions ... just like we voice ours on this forum.

Except there is a little more significant in the fact that they can go public with their comments and go to the media which over a million peope read their comments while ours are only read by 100 fans.

I think the point is that their comment is not helping team morale and it is the wrong time to say it. The team is already on low morale and they do not need to hear it more. I know you will say "but its their proffesion..blah blah blah"

But as former players they understand what these players are going through and should keep shut. They are already getting flack from the media and critics alone....they don't need their childhood idols beating up on them espciiaally when they understand what it is to be a player.

Khilaari..Great post..I am with you and I must say every other Pakistani who want our team to win us the WC would be agreeing with you.

sounds like some1 is really huge fan of Bill O'riely from fox news.........Ex cricketers have every right to say whatever they want to say....

Do tell me how do you define Hypocrisy...

huh? what does any of this have to do with O'Reilly??

u n kashif r missing the boat on purpose.

the point is that the criticism at this point in time is not helping the team AND if their goal is to help the team by their public statements, then ATLEAST for now they should be positive and making every effort to lift up the team.

Raago... that some1 has to be u, 'cuz i don't like the guy.

Bill O'Reilly tells people to shut up and keep their opinions to themselves, exactly what u are doing.....criticism should motivate those players to show imran and company that they belong in pakistani team.

Former Cricketers are doing the right thing...

What has happened is that Inzi had issued a not too optimistic statement in the press prior to these statements of former cricketers...

So it is time to criticize him and the coach given to him by PCB, so that may be they will get awaken being professionals...

There is no doubt that Inzi has performed wonders with the bat and also as captain where under him the team has made comebacks in series plus Woolmer being the first modern coach (meaning lap-top coach): But their recent performance has not been up to mark: So it is high time before World Cup 2007 to put them under some pressure and this way take out the maximum professionalism out of them...

What I hear from a number of ex Pak players is criticism for the sake of it. If you want to criticise, then at least make it constructive, so that the player in question, the coach or captain see a solution or a remedy to the problem, instead of them seeing the criticism and thinking what was the point of the criticism.

Too many of these ex players just want to see their name in the papers and try to spice up their articles stories.

I enjoy reading Asif Iqbal's views as more often than not, they are balanced.

Will we stop bringing his political career into a cricket discussion please? He is focussing on Pak problems. He is on tv all the time in regards to politics. He does public speeches, rallies and all that to further his political agenda. However, being an ex-cricketer of the highest calibre does give him the license to comment on cricket. Whether he uses or abuses that right is a different matter!

So what about Post 6 and then reply to that in number 10...

Had Inzi said something positive of WC'07 prospects, the former players would have been positive too...

I have always been of this opinion that near WC'07, everyone needs to be positive and talk positive: But when Inzi, the person, who is going to lead the team in WC'07 talked negative and showed his worry about injured players, these stalwarts of the past did the right thing...

With this strong criticism, they have given signal to Inzi to perform the way he did in India, when he came back into the series: They have given him much shame to now really perform...

I love how we criticize the critics but never the system. there are problems.

Inzi and all the players are on that talk show as if they cant do well.

also you guys waste your time hating on the wrong things. not one person criticizes the board. ad hoc. temporary. how can anything be stable.

All the AdHoc writtings, talks and strong condemnation have already been done on this Forum many times...Right now the issue is not Adhocism...Right now issue is World Cup 2007 which starts in March 2007...Yes: What we can write is Pakistan should not win World Cup 2007 under Adhocism: Otherwise it will continue to stay...But then it has stayed even though Pakistan won way back in 1992...

I don't want too discuss his poltiical opinion. I was merely just using him as an example when people slack Musharraf for just saying "Do well boys."

well hating on critics is also old.

sometimes I feel that our ppl need ppl like Wasim & Imran Khan who keep kicking ppl's a$$ and ppl keep praising them
Thing is Inzi is NOT good at making/replying these "former greats", so they keep on attcking him.

Isn't Imran Khan same guy who lashed Inzi's captaincy after Aus tour then praise him after Banglore test and then again went after him when team started loosing

Imran keep saying to improve standard of domestic cricket. What he did to improve Domestic cricket in his time ? and even now he asks players to go and play in county games. how our own domestic standard ll improve when out good players play in UK's domestic cricket ? he keep saying to change the system, but never give suggestions/help how to.

Have to say I am fully in agreement with you khilari, great post.

The team needs support at this time, not being bashed mercilessly.

the worst thread ever it should burn. People here get satisfied with so little. Winning should be the teams objective if they cant achieve that there should be no sympathy. This is our pride on the line.

In regard to the critics, this happens all the time. No one in england tells boycott to shut up or in india sunil gavaskar to shut up. So just learn to bear it.

^ yeah , thas rite .... Bash 'em so they get play with low confidence and get more defensive. Doesn't it ever occur to you that being positive and having confidence can help the team?


good, then lets celebrate it rather than being embarrassed

your "happens all the time" line is offtrack... i m ONLY questioning the timing. At this point in time, we can talk about many positive things, such as Younis Khan, Mohammed Yousuf, Inzi's last World Cup, Shoaib Malik's big tournament, will Kaneria be the Mushy of 1992, Shahid Afridi, etc etc. The ex cricketers never accepted the pep talk invitation from PCB and instead just chose to create sensational news. Now, if they can't help, why are they being detrimental. This is why, i request them to SHUT UP, atleast until the end of WC.

Thats what those motivational speeches were. These tv interviews or discussions are about the state of pakistan cricket. People asking hey imran whats your take on kaneria. blah blah. It means nothing. so what do you expect. if these players meaning current get so outdone by public opinion then they shouldnt play. because in the windies there going to be more critics from other countries. and more people talking. They represent us and they shouldnt be outdone by the media. They have to always play to win. win and only win thats the only way to gain respect. waqar learned that. wasim learned that. inzi has to learn that.

Well, look, they were invited on the show to give their opinions, and they did just that. Even the most near-sighted individual can see that Pakistan cricket isnt in the shape it should be. We probably wont see the Woolmer-Inzi combination again after the World Cup, so reviewing the progress made by them from the last few years until now seems reasonable. And lets be honest, they certainly made a few steps forward, but the results dont reflect that, and at the end of the day, results matter most. I dont doubt that Imran and Zaheer want the best out for Pakistan cricket, they've merited that much. They shouldnt have to sugarsweet things, but tell it as it is. And as it is, the way it looks is that the only way we'll win the worldcup is through the brilliance of the team, not the management or captaincy, sorry to say.

agree........ BUT
we ll never hear from Imran Khan (or others) about talking to young player to improve their technique. We haven't hear from Imran Khan abe offering help to PCB (not talking abt only half hour talks). We will only hear from Imran Khan criticize Inzi, but we will not hear criticize Shoaib abt his fitness problems. and we ll hear abt Imran's support for Sami.

most of Pakistani gr8 complain abt Inzi batting down order, but one of those greats (Sarfraz Nawaz) crosses border to India, openly suggests for Sachin to bat in middle order coz he is aging and his lack of form (when comparing to young Sachin), but I think that don't apply to Inzi

Bein member of parliment, he should try to get ministry of Sports which could have helped Pakistan sports.

Yeah but should basic technique be a problem at the international level. you guys are completely unreasonable during that show which he was on during that india tour of pakistan he was analyzing the techniques.

but alot of the players that we have problems should no how to play cricket by the time they are selected in the national team. the coach can tinker give immediate advice. But to teach a bunch of players how to hold the bat and move there feet is the basics they should know.

Some of the posts here are really laughing material. Those plyers who have played in the actual "cricket field" for decades have the right to voice their concerns unlike some here who have never set their feet in an actual ground to go through the situation. players should actually listen to their criticism, theymight be able to learn some thing if they want....

Oh really!

If you have 'played in the actual "cricket field" for decades' as you say, that gives you the right to spout rubbish for all your living days does it?

If you have nothing positive to say and your only interest in life after you have finished playing is to push your own personal agenda you need to be told to SHUT UP. There is nothing whatsoever to learn from this negative rubbish. Anything can be criticised, that's easy. The difficult thing is to find solutions. I think from the available resources and the available infrastructure of cricket in Pakistan Inzi and Bob have extracted whatever it is possible to extract. What is needed is good wishes and encouragement now. Not pushing personal agendas. I would love Pakistan to win the World Cup. Not least of its benefits would be that the last World Cup winning captain would then be either the modest and unassuming Inzi or if he is injured and not playing in the final the equally modest Younas Khan instead of this sickening (and extremely lucky) 'in my day' Khan.

If you think you tell the truth, then have the heart to listen the TRUTH as well. yeah right and you are the Mr. (or Ms. whatever) solution...............