Question for Indian fans on PakPassion...

hi

i heared all bias comments about Pakistani teams and how they were outplayed and how fool they r ....

just wanna ask a question here to all Indian members here on pp ...

India have second largest population even 10 times then of Pakistan still PAKISTAN manage to produce some Legends of Cricket in terms of record holders where as Indians only manage 4 or even 3 legends

Pakistan have produced following legends in terms of record holders

1.Wasim akram most ODI wickets
2. Waqar younis second most ODI wickets
3.Shoaib akhtar WORLD FASTEST bowler holder
4.Shahid afridi fastest Century and second fastest joined century
5.Inzimam Most ODI fifties + score
6. Mohammed yousuf most runs in calender yr + most centuries in a yr

whereas India have only managed only two or three or even one record holder

that is the Sachin tendulkar most runs in ODI and TEST and MOST centuries in ODI and TEST but apart from him i can't see any legends that they produced from such a large population and a mad one


and more over thier bowlers interms of pace all are medium pace


PAKISTAN introduced ART of reverse swing to cricket as most lethal weapon for bowlers


now PAKISTAN HAVE AN UPPER HAND IN BOTH ODI's and IN TEST matches and i don't think so after a 36-6 we went on to win the test match in Karachi there is not much to say about indian teams


com on Indians what the hell you guys think of your self look out in super 8 we will hunt you guys down

sohaib just ignore them. Its all friendly banter, and that is what makes it fun. they take the mickey out of our team when we lose and we do the same to them. We all enjoyed that thrashing they got in SA and I am sure they enjoyed ours too.

Its all good fun, no need to get super wind up over it. You only encourage them more since it is like a moral victory for them. Just enjoy it because eventually we will get them back. After all, our record against them is much more superior for a reason.

question for u 1st
1 : why u visit these kinds of forums where there is only hatred ?
2 : what ll b difference between them and u if u gonna do the same ?

and just suggestion, please keep problems/hatred of other forums out of PP plz. Mods & PP posters have done great job to keep PP a good place to visit and for cricket discussion. and cricket fans of other countries (including Indians) enjoying their stay here

well thats 4 pretty good records right there.
Oh and Gavaskar, Tendu, Dev and Dravid are definetly legends of cricket. Maybe even Kumble.
btw Murali has gone past Waqar for the 2nd most wickets in ODIs.

SHAHID AFRIDI??? LEGEND

[QUOTE=sohaib17]hi

i heared all bias comments about Pakistani teams and how they were outplayed and how fool they r ....

just wanna ask a question here to all Indian members here on pp ...

STOP IT SOHAIB

I think those who know cricket know who legends are.

I mean with no bias i consider, pataudi a legend, I consider amarnath, srikanth,bedi and so on these guys were legends. chandreskar migh even be the greatest. Without a doubt there are many legends people who did extraordinary things that made them famous or remembered for ages. I mean these all were legendary. They also had the seam exploits of amar singh who they lost at young age. a once in a lifetime type of guy.

Its all about, context. I mean over here people wouldnt know who turner is or who let alone barlow is. Its how much you care. cricket history is a rich one and amazing.


There are legends every where you just have to here them.

Is Kapil Dev a legend??????????????

What about Javed Miandad?

What about him ????

7. Saeed Anwar's 196 which is the highest score ever in an ODI. Funnily enough it was against India

8. Saqlain Mushtaq´s invention of the Doosra

only now did records start being broke. if i am correct. India and pakistan drew 30 years worth of series.

Batting Records,
Highest totals - India had 376 (v New Zealand ) and 373 (vs Sri Lanka) while Pakistan (vs Sri Lanka) had 371
Lowest totals - Pakistan 43 and India 54
Most extras in an innings - Pakistan 59 (v West Indies ) and Pakistan 59 (v Scotland ) while India 39 (v Zimbabwe ), How come Pakistan bowling is good?
Most runs, out of top 10 batsman in world 4 are Indians (SRT,Dada,Rahul and Azaruddin) Pakistan has two Inzy and Anwar
High scores, out of top 10 batsman in world 4 are Indians (SRT,Dhoni,Dada,Kapil) and Pakistan has one (Anwar)
Highest strike rates, out of top 10 batsman in the world 3 are Indians (Dhoni, Sehwag, Kapil) and Pakistan has one (Afridi)
Most hundreds, of top 5 batsman in the world 2 are Indians (SRT, Ganguly) and Pak has one (Anwar)
Most fifties (and over) (SRT crossed 50+ mark 117 times, Inzy crossed 50+ mark 93 times)
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 50+ 0
SR Tendulkar (India) 1989-2007 381 371 36 14783 186* 44.12 17259 85.65 41 76 117 17
Inzamam-ul-Haq (Asia/Pak) 1991-2007 376 348 53 11701 137* 39.66 15776 74.16 10 83 93 20
Most ducks, out of top 10 batsman in world 3 are Pakistani (Akram 28, Afridi 20, Inzy 20 ) and India have one (Srinath 19)
Most runs in a series, out of top 10 batsman in world 2 are Indians (Both time SRT), Pak has none.

Bowling Records
Most wickets, out of top 10 bowlers in the world Pak has 3 (Akram, Waqar, Shaqlain)and India has 2 (Kumble and Srinath)
Other most of the bowling records are in favour of WI and AUS.

it's not about records...it's about victories and losses....
Pakistan has outdone India in those lines for many years now...

Difficult to take anything the original thread started says when he refers to Afridi as a LEGEND, and omits the achievements of JAved Miandad.

Cricket did exist before 1997....

History is fine - to take ocassional glimpses of it and reminisce about it oce in a while.

But living in the past is not advisable.....

i have a question for Pakistan fans member here on pp


Did Afridi contributed more to PAK cricket than Anwar and Miandad?!!!

wat a CRAP thread !...No doubt PAK has had the upper hand against INDIA up untill the early 90's...since then its been even-stevens !...

anyways lets not get involved in this mess !

..lets enjoy the WC guyz....n do sum "leg pulling" wheneva either team plays sh!t !

i dont understand why we have to 'win', be 'better' than India and have the last laugh. pretty childish really. we are going through a rough patch these days, take it gracefully.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ead.php?t=37564

Since one crap thread came from Indian fan, other had to come from a Pak fan....

proof.......crap happens on both sides of the border.......it has been even-stevens since 1947!!

Pak and India have the same problems. Consistency..

Anyone who can resolve that will be champs.. jus like the ozzies for the past 10-15 years!

dam kangaroo luvvers!

SAD but TRUE !

i guess atleast as sensible posters..we can stay away frm all this and enjy the GAME instead !...poke fun at each other wheneva da opportunity arrives...and ENJOY the rivalry in a healthy way !

are you referring to anwar miandad brother of javed /

if so afridi has contributed more - just

if you are talking about javed miandad and saeed anwar - afridi is a ball boy compared to those 2

As an Indian fan I admire many pakistani and indian cricketers. But when it comes down to game time naturally I will root for India. You cannot expect indian fans to not root for their team. Trash talking is part of modern sports. you just have to learn to deal with it. If you don't want to hear it don't visit the wrong websites.

like i have said before that it's about time that we look beyond this rivalry...i feel that sometimes us fans get so caught up in how India is doing that we forget that there are 8 other test playing countries in the world! Imagine if IND goes through a bad time and gets down to #9 in the ranking then does that mean that we will be happy if we are ranked number 8? Our mind set should surely be to get to the number 1 position and not to be satisfied simply because we are ranked higher than India.

......no, no, no, I beg to differ here. Rivalries make the sports much more exciting than they are! What about Ashes. Look at all the rivalries in US sports....why go too far! How about Florida (gators) vs Florida State? You have to have a team, a match up, a contest...to look forward to. Yeh, you want to beat other teams too but there is always ONE team...that you always want to beat or enjoy beating!

hey friends dont waste time thinking bout what other people say.

Just enjoy the cricket. I support both pakistan and india . They both have great players.

Haniff Mohammed,Gavaskar,kapil, Imran, Javed, Amarnath, tendulkar, inzi,wasim kumble.

All are world class players.and will continue to produce world class players.
I went to see pak/sa last friday...totally enjoyed it
I have tickets to india/s/lanka match...and would be looking forward to an exciting match.

TENDULKAR/ JAYASURYA, DHONI, GANGULY , JAYAWARDNA, VAAS, KUMBLE..CANT WAIT

I want to enjoy this historic moment. I suggest you do the same

I understand what you are saying but there should be a limit because it can act as a serious mental block! Over the years i have heard people from both sides that they would much rather have their country beat the rival than to have their team win the WC...now that to me is totally a loser's mentality so i feel that we should learn from AUS and put the rivalry aside and try to become the number 1 team in the world.

did anyone look into the first thirty years of india pakistan rivalry. I believe they drew for ages.

Also, regarding to the afridi question definitely not regarding miandad and anwar. but he will be regarded or remembered as legend i suppose more like a mohsin khan. Who is known for his one big innings.

I am an Indian fan and let me tell you I disagree with all you said. I wont dig deep into individual performances, but I do confess your team has the potential on coming back hard. Pakistan team is too good to be ruled off. All you are missing is Asif and nothing else. One player's loss can't hamper your WC dreams surely.

IT WAS 194 NOT 196

about the afridi thing as a legend

i think you guyd didn't read my post properly i said legends in terms of record holders and as far as i know Miandad have no record and my bad i left out saeed anwer

and i am a very calm guy but when someone with no reason post something like that about pakistani team then its out of control for me and its not about me its about my country and my team and no matter what you guys say i'll be speaking every time they (Indian) say something about us



so guys plz read my post clearly

I think the perfect way to answer any criticism is to calmly suggest that Pak is a vastly superior TEST & ODI team - always have been.

...yes, I agree for first 30 years...only 3 out of 15 test produced results. Infact, last 12 out of those 15 were consecutive drawn matches.....BUT, if you look at their over all record - decade by decade & side-by-side...you'll notice the difference!!



If you compare win and loss% from 1950s to 2000s, only 3 times India out of 12...India has an edge otherwise it is Pakistan all the way!! Those 3 time are highlighted in blue;
1) win% in 70s
2) win% in 60s
3) loss% in 00s

Thanks... one also has to realize we dont play as much with india.

...yes, we didn't play each for 30 years, but we played against same teams like AUS, ENG, WI, & NZ during those years. So, we can judge both team by comparing their performance against both teams. For example, in 1974 India played 3 tests in England and lost the series 3-0 but a few weeks later Pakistan played 3 tests against same England side in England, we drew the series 0-0. Thats why I posted the comparison table so we can see - how both teams fared against same oppositions when they did not play each other.

YES!!! I am totally against this kind of mentality and would rather win the CUp than beat India, although both would be nice!

Haha, crap thread. Go bring this thread to a neutral forum like Cricket Web, I'd love to see you taken apart.

I love how you just completely forgot about Kapil, Bedi, Kumble, Ganguly, Dravid, Gavaskar, Amarnath, Ranji, and many others.

Pathetic, I dare you to bring this thread to a neutral forum, I dare you.

suhaib17 can't bring it to a neutral forum, thats the reason he is posting it here, he is scared, that he will be bashed. Suhaib, Dude if you wanna speak out about the comment some indian made on the indian site, then why are you complaining and posting all the stuff here, post it there. Why don't you post your grieviences and complaints in that wesbite , yes speak out for the defense of yr country, but speak out where its needed. not where you will not have criticism. By the way India (despite what llot os Pak supporters thinks of their team) is a much better said and its gonna get better, 'cuz Indians have come out of this mentality of us better than them, but Pak people somehow don't wanna come out of it.
There is a world outside India guys..

All this time we're talking about legends created in India and Pakistan. That's great, but what matters in the end of is who wins and who loses. If you score a 100 in an ODI and your team goes on to lose, then the 100 seems pretty pointless. In this regard, Pakistan has always had edge over india and the statistics will side with me.

Are you seriously talking about a neutral forum? Or a neutral forum thats infested with indians? Cause everywhere I go these days, many of these 'neutral forums' have been infested with indians as of late, who always end up talking about 4-0 in WC or the 2004 series.

Actually the 100 does not become useless at all. Some of the best hundreds have been in losing games and you cannot berate the batsman just because he was not lucky enough to have an Imran or a Wasim in his team to bowl his team to victory. If a batsman scores a 100 his job is done. He cant bowl oppositions out too.
those who go on and on about winning and losing 100s dont really know their cricket. Case in point is Ponting 100s which almost always results in team wins because Australia almost always wins and not the other way around.

Forget is Ahsan17, its not worth bickering over. Whatever happens on different forums should stay there and need not spill onto this forum.

Ok...lets see!

1) If you are talking about non-Indians taking this thread apart in so-called neutral forums....then there ARE quite few English, Aussie, South Afrcians & Bangladeshis on THIS forum who have not said a boo in this thread.

2) If you are talking about Indians taking this thread apart in so-called neutral forums....then there ARE quite few Indians too on this forum.....and they have replied to this thread....but nobody has taken it apart.

3) Even YOU as an Indian, other than naming a few Indian cricketers, have not made any valid point yet. If this thread can be taken apart, this can very well done in this forum.

4) Try taking apart what I listed in post# 35 above.

5) You named a few big name cricketer in your post. So, what about them. They were/are good cricketers. I respect their contribution to Indian cricket and Cricket in general. They have big stats against their name...because India played a lot of test matches. Look at post # 35, India payed 118 tests in 1970s and 1970s where as Pak played only 76 test during those two decades. That is 42 tests MORE in 20 years - i.e. 2 more test per year. I am not saying they were not good cricketers......in fact some of them were/are great cricketers but the point is that they could not make India win as often as Pakistan!

6) Bedi, Kapil, and others were fine cricketers....but look how many matches they won for India in their WHOLE careers;


.....now Kapil being a fast/medium, could win ONLY 4 tests outside India. Our OWN Sami has been part of SIX overseas wins in his 30 tests that he played outside Pakistan!!
....I know, I know, I know,........Sami and Kapil are different era players.......but even Sarfraz Nawaz had 7 wins out of his 55 test outside Pakistan!

Haha certainly not! Not every forum is bias like PP, understand that. Look at CW for example, the Indian posters are anything but bias. And it has a LARGE base of neutral fans... so bring this there and let's see what happens to you.

Oh and one more thing, don't think I am here to bash the Pakistanis/Pakistan on this forum. Cuz' I am not, after all you are our neighbours, and mind you I do have lots of Pakistani friends as well. So it's nothing against Pakistanis or Pakistan.

I just wish PP was less bias and more educated discussions happened. Like honestly, there is a world outside of India. But all I see is the Pakistanis trying to bash India or compare them to Pakistan. Guys relax, ease up on the India bashing. There is a world outside of India.

Sorry about the out burst, I am done.

...Mods - quote of the YEAR!!!

Just by saying that, it doesn't mean you're right. Go, go to most other forums, see how educated and un bias the Indian members are.

It's the quite a few PPers that are anything but bias. You're just being a hypocrite tbh.

....so which mod is stopping you from replying to this thread ......specially my posts (35 & 45) in this thread??? Aren't you educated enough to reply?