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Old 19th March 2007, 22:45
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Imran Khan offers his services to Pakistan Cricket Board

Tuesday March 20, 01:25 AM


Cricket great Imran Khan has offered his services to help restore Pakistan's status after its shocking exit from the World Cup in a three-wicket defeat against Ireland.

"I am ready to sit down with the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, Naseem Ashraf, and see what could we do to bring the nation out of this cricketing crisis," Khan said in a television program.

Khan blamed captain Inzamam-ul-Haq for the debacle after Pakistan lost both its group matches _ against the West Indies and Ireland _ to become the first team to slump out of contention in the 16-team competition.

"His captaincy was timid," Khan said.

"Inzamam himself said before the World Cup that he would bat at No. 4, but when the tournament began he came out to bat at No. 5," Khan said. "This built pressure on the team and we simply collapsed against medium pace bowlers of Ireland."

After the untimely death of coach Englishman Bob Woolmer, Khan advised the PCB to bring in two coaches _ one for the bowlers and other for batsmen.

"I would suggest Aqib Javed should be the bowling coach because he had coached Pakistan to win two Under-19 World Cups," Khan suggested.

However, without recommending the name of any former Pakistan cricketer, Khan said the PCB should look for a good batting coach.

Khan also backed Younis Khan as the future captain despite two poor knocks by the current Pakistan vice-captain in the World Cup.

"It's not the time to take drastic measures," Khan said.

Khan also said that it was now high time to streamline Pakistan's domestic cricket structure on the lines of Australia's domestic competition.

"I have played in Sheffield Shield and I know they have the best system of just six teams in first-class cricket," Khan said. "That's the only way we could also produce quality cricketers."


Imran Khan attacks President Musharraf for World Cup debacle

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1085921

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Old 19th March 2007, 22:50
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is this for real.. we dont need Imran Khan.. let him stay in politics

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Old 19th March 2007, 22:52
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I agree with his idea of having two coaches...and at this time i dont mind at all if Imran helps..By God we need it!!

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Old 19th March 2007, 22:59
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woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooww!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!


i always dreamed of Imran kahn been invoved in PCB as pakistan cricket and atlast hope he can be made chairman of pakistani cricket board as NASIM ASHRAF had resigned ,,

he have great thinking brain passion and all it wants for pakistan cricket



com on guys just suport Imran i can see great future of PAKISTAN CRICKET

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:01
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yessss
this is just what i wanted
this will be great if he is made coach/chairman

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:04
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I think he only suggested that he will talk with Ashraf, not that he will take up a position in the board. Imran has been spewing his crap on cricket for the last several years, I doubt he has any new ideas. Ashraf, in fear of the 2 hour monologue from Imran already resigned. I would have done the same.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:04
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Auqib Javed...hmmm

Expect to see Asif, Gul and other decent bowlers we have...to change their bowling actions over night; if it was a crime to change a bowler's action, Auqib would have the biggest bounty on his head!

Who on earth told him that it is ok to change a bowler's action...and who gave him the right to do it?

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:09
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It would be great if Imran Khan could offer his services to the PCB and take us out of this mess. Ive always wanted a stature like him to be involved.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:10
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Aqib is definitely amongst the best coach available in Pakistan.

But for having a bowling and a batting coach without having an overall coach will mean conflict 24/7. Remember the replacement of Waqar for Mushtaq was part of politics in team management regardless who was to be blamed.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:12
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From what Iunderstood - he only offered his services just to sort out this mess, i.e., sit down with Nasim Ashraf and few others and come up with a plan for sorting out the domestic cricket and the current team. He definitely does not want to be involved any more than this..

He aso mentioned that we MUST only have six national teams (as we dont have enough grounds to have more teams).. He said that this way the talent from the whole country will be filtered into these teams..

He also said that since Younis needs a very good coach / strategist as he still needs to learn a lot about captaincy - but he did sound to be in favour of Younis to get captaincy..
He said that if we do things right, we can back as one of the top 2 teams within the next couple of years...

This is the first time I have heard Imran offering his help. In the past he has always been complaining about one thing or another.. Now, if PCB has any brains, we should sit with Imran and take his advice seriously..

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:12
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i just hope the involve imran now. he has the best cricketing brain in pakistan. and unlike many imran bashers here who seem to think they are smarter than him, i think imran can do a lot.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:12
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This is something positive, but Imran seems to be getting a bigger and bigger "Younis Khan can do no wrong" supporter. Don't really need that.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:13
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This is one of the better news I have heard from the Pakistani cricket world...I am all for Imran Khans involment in the Pakistani cricket structure

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:13
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is this for real.. we dont need Imran Khan.. let him stay in politics


yes, we need u, coz u have better cricketing brain than imran dont u.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:14
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Well Nasim Ashraf has gone so bang goes that idea

Its all talk from Imran Khan imo so i wudnt get too excited

Also Imran Khan needs to stop talking from his rear end, blaming Inzi for us getting knocked out of the World Cup, for someone that is allegedly so knowledgable about cricket he doesnt half talk some rot.
Inzi's has never been a tactical genius and his captaincy was average in the World Cup BUT it was our poor batting that let us down, batting that individuals need to take responsibility for - i mean the guy he is suggesting as captain YK was rubbish and has by and large been rubbish in ODI's, MoYo our premier batsman gifted his wickets away like some schoolboy BUT yeah go ahead and lay all the blame on Inzi cos its the easy thing to do

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:16
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This is something positive, but Imran seems to be getting a bigger and bigger "Younis Khan can do no wrong" supporter. Don't really need that.


Indeed - YK must not be in the ODI team and anyone can see that BUT Imran is just being stubborn here,doesnt want to admit he was wrong about it

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:17
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so first he kept cutting into naseem asraf, now he wants to sit with him. LOL, wouldnt be suprised if he would joins musharaf soon.

and i dnt understand this love he has for younis khan, suprised he didnt mention sami in their, but a few players should definatly be axed and one of them should definatly be younis khan.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:20
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Well Nasim Ashraf has gone so bang goes that idea

Its all talk from Imran Khan imo so i wudnt get too excited

Also Imran Khan needs to stop talking from his rear end, blaming Inzi for us getting knocked out of the World Cup, for someone that is allegedly so knowledgable about cricket he doesnt half talk some rot.
Inzi's has never been a tactical genius and his captaincy was average in the World Cup BUT it was our poor batting that let us down, batting that individuals need to take responsibility for - i mean the guy he is suggesting as captain YK was rubbish and has by and large been rubbish in ODI's, MoYo our premier batsman gifted his wickets away like some schoolboy BUT yeah go ahead and lay all the blame on Inzi cos its the easy thing to do



can't agree more on ths but i think ATM we need IMRAN KHAN to help PCB settle down and be one of greatest cricketing nation around the world

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:24
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Well Nasim Ashraf has gone so bang goes that idea

Its all talk from Imran Khan imo so i wudnt get too excited

Also Imran Khan needs to stop talking from his rear end, blaming Inzi for us getting knocked out of the World Cup, for someone that is allegedly so knowledgable about cricket he doesnt half talk some rot.
Inzi's has never been a tactical genius and his captaincy was average in the World Cup BUT it was our poor batting that let us down, batting that individuals need to take responsibility for - i mean the guy he is suggesting as captain YK was rubbish and has by and large been rubbish in ODI's, MoYo our premier batsman gifted his wickets away like some schoolboy BUT yeah go ahead and lay all the blame on Inzi cos its the easy thing to do



The team needed inzi to win. inzi needed to score big to give pakistan a fighting chance. I mean regardless of the other factors. the overall captaincy in the field was lack luster to begin with. you on top add the reluctance of inzimam to bat higher than five one can only lay the blame on inzi. as even in the last series younis and yousuf scored and inzi didnt.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:26
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if any pakistani can turn us around, it is this man, whatever he says, we come back to his words

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:32
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so first he kept cutting into naseem asraf, now he wants to sit with him. LOL, wouldnt be suprised if he would joins musharaf soon.

and i dnt understand this love he has for younis khan, suprised he didnt mention sami in their, but a few players should definatly be axed and one of them should definatly be younis khan.



I going to talk to Musharraf to make you the new PCB chairman if you guaranteed that you will get rid of Useless Khan from ODI..

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:40
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we don't need Imran's services ask the happy clappers like Hash and monsee, we are a finely tuned team with a captain respected by everyone who is a tactical genius and in no way an arrogant or stubborn man why change? Inzamam should be left as captain until the next World Cup and also the PCB who appointed him and answered to his every whim should also be given jobs for life

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:41
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I just wish imran somehow becomes new PCB chairman, but with all his political work i doubt he can just drop it and come, but if he had control of the cricket it would be perfect.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:43
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One may not agree with everything that IK says but if he gets involved at any level it can only be a good thing as he's the best captain we've ever produced.My reason for wanting Younis to be next skipper is b'cos he's impressed me with his leadership and i feel he'd grow as a player with added responsibility.IK may want him to be skipper b'cos he's a Pathan too.

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The team needed inzi to win. inzi needed to score big to give pakistan a fighting chance. I mean regardless of the other factors. the overall captaincy in the field was lack luster to begin with. you on top add the reluctance of inzimam to bat higher than five one can only lay the blame on inzi. as even in the last series younis and yousuf scored and inzi didnt.


What you just said doesnt change the fact that all the batsman bar Malik (1 inning) failed miserably - MoYo our best batsman failed badly, his dismissals were amatuerish, YK the guy Imran wants as captain was terrible etc etc - im not absolving Inzi of blame BUT im certainly not going to blame EVERYTHING on him, to suggest we would have done better with YK as captain is just naive and silly

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Auqib Javed...hmmm

Expect to see Asif, Gul and other decent bowlers we have...to change their bowling actions over night; if it was a crime to change a bowler's action, Auqib would have the biggest bounty on his head!

Who on earth told him that it is ok to change a bowler's action...and who gave him the right to do it?


He has singlehandly destroyed Mohammad Irshad as a bowler by changing his action. Now you hardly ever see Irshad picking up wickets in domestic cricket, but getting spanked to all parts of the ground.

He did the same to Mansoor Amjad as well I think, and for someone who was being touted as a leg spinning all rounder has turned into a batsman who bowls legspin.

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What you just said doesnt change the fact that all the batsman bar Malik (1 inning) failed miserably - MoYo our best batsman failed badly, his dismissals were amatuerish, YK the guy Imran wants as captain was terrible etc etc - im not absolving Inzi of blame BUT im certainly not going to blame EVERYTHING on him, to suggest we would have done better with YK as captain is just naive and silly


The part where Inzi did fail as captain was selecting Rana in the first game and then dropping Kaneria for the second.

However the fact of the matter is that our batsmen all failed to produce against Ireland and did not put up enough runs on the board and that is why we lost.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:51
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dont you guys think that waqar younis would be a better choice for the bowling coach than aaquib javed. when Waqar was the bowling coach, the bowlers did really well specially in the final overs of an innings.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:52
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I totally agree with the 6 team domestic competition structure idea. Imagine the competition for places and the quality of cricket. It would have to be regional based on provinces e.g.

Punjab A
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dont you guys think that waqar younis would be a better choice for the bowling coach than aaquib javed. when Waqar was the bowling coach, the bowlers did really well specially in the final overs of an innings.


He certainly would be, but would need a miracle to see him bak working for the PCB again after the way he was treated last time.

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:53
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I totally agree with the 6 team domestic competition structure idea. Imagine the competition for places and the quality of cricket. It would have to be regional based on provinces e.g.

Punjab A
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Why are we not thinking about Azad Kashmir? Is it not part of Pakistan? ***??

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:58
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He certainly would be, but would need a miracle to see him bak working for the PCB again after the way he was treated last time.


Well now that Ashraf has resigned i cant see why he wont come back

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Old 19th March 2007, 23:59
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Imran maybe stuburn but we have many stuburn people around PCB. At least he knows what he is talking about. Yesterday I saw a re-run of a program with Imran, Zaheer, Ehtisham (selector) and Gen Tauqeer (past PCB chair) in it. The program was recorded after the team was slected so around end of Feb.
Imran biggest concern with team selection was the openers. He did not like Nazir and said we will be in trouble if openers cannot give a decent start. He said our middle order will be in a lot of pressure if we are say 30/3 or so and it will be impossible to win against any decent side under such circumstances (we soon found it that we cannot even win against Ireland because of bad start). He said Inzi needs to come at 4 and YK to open if we start having opener issue. I did not agree with some of what he said but if you now see he was on the money. He may have been removed from cricket for a while but the guy knows his cricket.

This guy speaks the truth and we should listen. He is not by any means perfect or know it all about cricket but what he knows is gold and nothing but good for pakistan cricket in it.

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Old 20th March 2007, 00:00
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yeh its not a part of PAKISTAN

and i would be happy if it goes to India we don't need that part which people don't want to be a part of pakistan wants independence why the hell pak invovled we helped them and now nothing


i think Imran should be invovled as a selector of PAKISTANI Cricket team that would be great for us as he have an talent seeing eye which noone have

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he is curreently on geo with fakhre alam...

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Old 20th March 2007, 00:43
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who Imran?
Is it Geo Super? I don't get it in US

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Isn't it interesting that most Asian countries respect Players World Cup to world cups. And isn't it interesting that we sack/forced sack the Chairman's and selector's every World cup??

Many people say "lets have someone like Imran khan or Wasim Akram or him or maybe him", when we really need to have proper cricketing structure to be have looked at 1st and for most".

Many fans select their favorite players according to their superstar - legend image. Yet when the team gives poor performance we shoot the Chairman and selectors to 'resign from the position.' Will this go on forever? It's been happening through-out the Pakistani cricket history.

In my point of view we're still not going anywhere....It's like marry-go-round situation.
I, like many pak fans admire Imran khan - simply amazing guy with wide vision but he needs a proper support and freedom from Musharaf's dictatorship.


Here's a thought from me.

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Old 20th March 2007, 00:51
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I would rather Imran Khan keep well away from Pak cricket however sincere/well meaning his intentions are.

Media/fans/critics will tear him apart - its a fact. Thats what we do best.

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Old 20th March 2007, 00:51
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yeh its not a part of PAKISTAN

and i would be happy if it goes to India we don't need that part which people don't want to be a part of pakistan wants independence why the hell pak invovled we helped them and now nothing


i think Imran should be invovled as a selector of PAKISTANI Cricket team that would be great for us as he have an talent seeing eye which noone have


keep your opinions to youself

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Old 20th March 2007, 00:52
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We need someone who thinks straight like imran
he knows his stuff

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Old 20th March 2007, 01:17
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I would rather Imran Khan keep well away from Pak cricket however sincere/well meaning his intentions are.

Media/fans/critics will tear him apart - its a fact. Thats what we do best.



Spot on Oxy! That's good someone also shares the same view point as me. I think if things don't go according to Imran's plans 'Many' for his so-called fans will rip him apart.

He needs full freedom and support from right people who are honest with him to develop 'Professional cricketing structure'.

We really need to close the MASSIVE GAP from domestic cricket to International Level cricket. Last but not least 'WE NEED TO GROOM/PROMOTE CRICKET AT SCHOOL LEVEL'.

We need to have qualified local/regional coaches that have good eye to groom young talent early on.
Importance of fitness with packages etc.

Importance of ICC laws etc.

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Old 20th March 2007, 01:20
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I would rather Imran Khan keep well away from Pak cricket however sincere/well meaning his intentions are.

Media/fans/critics will tear him apart - its a fact. Thats what we do best.


imran is one man who can handle criticism and media bitching better than most. he is trusted by most people, and above all, is the best cricketing brain the country. he should get involved if he can

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Old 20th March 2007, 01:25
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yeh its not a part of PAKISTAN

and i would be happy if it goes to India we don't need that part which people don't want to be a part of pakistan wants independence why the hell pak invovled we helped them and now nothing


i think Imran should be invovled as a selector of PAKISTANI Cricket team that would be great for us as he have an talent seeing eye which noone have


You comments are disgraceful and are a slap on the face of millions of Muslims including Kashmiri's who have been murdered by the Indian State Terrorism machine.

Kashmir is Pakistan and Pakistan is Kashmir!

Think before you write stuff on the net, your comments are very helpful to your hindu zealots in Gujerat.

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Old 20th March 2007, 01:28
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I would rather Imran Khan keep well away from Pak cricket however sincere/well meaning his intentions are.

Media/fans/critics will tear him apart - its a fact. Thats what we do best.


He very well survived media/fans/critics during 10 year (1982 to 1992) of his captaincy...so why can't he do it now?

He is well survived media/critics during his political career.....even with his unorthodox methods.

I think, I would love him to be the CEO of PCB - not just help DNA (Dr. Naseem Ashraf or the new CEO)....since he has these idea...that were never implemented and everything else has failed!!

Look at his track record.....remember how successful his idea of neutral umpires has been. He was the FIRST captain to insist on and implement neutral umpires in a test series.

He sucessfully handled the player, team and PCB when he was captain. I am sure, he'll do a GREAT job if he is handed PCB!

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I would rather Imran Khan keep well away from Pak cricket however sincere/well meaning his intentions are.

Media/fans/critics will tear him apart - its a fact. Thats what we do best.


Not that there is even a remote chance of Imran Khan stepping into BW's or Ashraf's now vacant shoes, but using your argument we will never ever find a new coach.

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Not that there is even a remote chance of Imran Khan stepping into BW's or Ashraf's now vacant shoes, but using your argument we will never ever find a new coach.


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imran is one man who can handle criticism and media bitching better than most. he is trusted by most people, and above all, is the best cricketing brain the country. he should get involved if he can


Imran is of that era where he would announce his retirement, and the whole country would go on hunger-strike, and Gen Zia would invite him round, twist his arm - and Imran would come back, play a sereies - and retire.....and the hunger strikes would begin again....

For 5 years he yo-yo'd betwen retirement and comeback!

He was worshipped - you had to be around at the time to appreciate what Imran was to cricket in Pak.

TODAY.

Lets say Imran takes over (in whatever capacity). A new start - changes implemented to change the structure...a new Dawn...a New captain...a new focus.

1 over into our new era. Pak are 0-2.

'Imran OUT' / 'Waste of Space' / Only interested in his hospital' / 'Failed politician' blah blah blah.

HE WONT SURVIVE 5 MINUTES

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.......
1 over into our new era. Pak are 0-2.

'Imran OUT' / 'Waste of Space' / Only interested in his hospital' / 'Failed politician' blah blah blah.

HE WONT SURVIVE 5 MINUTES


But that can happen to ANY new Coach or PCB chairman!!!! Somebody strong enough - like Imran, needs to step up to the plate!!

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But that can happen to ANY new Coach or PCB chairman!!!! Somebody strong enough - like Imran, needs to step up to the plate!!

If he is offered it / and he accepts it.....

He needs to do it on HIS EXCLUSIVE terms. The same way he captained the side. The same way he had veto rule on who played and who didnt.

And he would need time.

And that is a commodity that simply wont be offered to him.

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Before people get excited, he merely said he will sit and down and talk with the PCB chairman. I severely doubt he will take a position within the PCB

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1. Like always he is all talk and nothing more. All he is doing is wanting to consult PCB.

2. "for someone that is allegedly so knowledgable about cricket he doesnt half talk some rot." I could not have said it any better.

3. I pray that he becomes the coach or head of the PCB...I believe in every word Oxy has said so far on how we treat the game today. Every ball every choice he makes will be open for debate. I want this legend of the brightest Pakistani cricketer gone out of the window period!

Like #2 pointed out he talks out of his rear side. Blaming Inzi for everything is clearly a mental problem of his and still think YK should lead us....that is laughable. I pray he either takes on the job or just shuts up.

Someone asked me before the world cup who do I blame for our current batting order...I simply said Imran Khan. Only because of him has YK been included in the team and than shoved up the order where Malik should have been. Without YK we could done so much with this ODI team but no we have to put a useless batsman up the order and cry abt Inzi at 5. Far as Inzi is concerned his opening since openers/1 down really doesn't count for much.

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You know what sickens me is that people still support inzi, still support the teams performance. and dont see how bad the team performed. The matter of the fact regardless if imran helps or not changes will have to be made. Not one person sees how corrupt and broken the current system is. Imran can help from a far, but the majority of the change is structural.

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we dont support the team's performance
we support the team
surely you understand such a concept

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1. Like always he is all talk and nothing more. All he is doing is wanting to consult PCB.

2. "for someone that is allegedly so knowledgable about cricket he doesnt half talk some rot." I could not have said it any better.

3. I pray that he becomes the coach or head of the PCB...I believe in every word Oxy has said so far on how we treat the game today. Every ball every choice he makes will be open for debate. I want this legend of the brightest Pakistani cricketer gone out of the window period!

Like #2 pointed out he talks out of his rear side. Blaming Inzi for everything is clearly a mental problem of his and still think YK should lead us....that is laughable. I pray he either takes on the job or just shuts up.

Someone asked me before the world cup who do I blame for our current batting order...I simply said Imran Khan. Only because of him has YK been included in the team and than shoved up the order where Malik should have been. Without YK we could done so much with this ODI team but no we have to put a useless batsman up the order and cry abt Inzi at 5. Far as Inzi is concerned his opening since openers/1 down really doesn't count for much.


Feather.

Surely, if he is as sincere as he is being portrayed - then he will live & die by succes (or failure) on the pitch - in way of team results.

Would you be willing for him to take on a role (whatever that is) and be given 'carte blanche' to do it his way (as he did as a captain?)

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You know what sickens me? Players we have loved for so long even grown up watching have their careers ended on basis of how well they do in the WC even those who are WC winners. The FACTS are Inzi is a match winner and he will remain so...one of the best Pakistan has produced.

The team failed everyone failed not only Inzi... a man lost his heart and died. He paid with his life while others will suffer for years to come...see the good work they have done over the years go down the drain...be bashed and insulted all because they all failed in the WC while they were going through few days of cricket.

Put the keyboard down and move away from the PC. Open the window or the door and let some fresh air come in...view things within the context and try to feel the hurt the players are feeling right now due to the loss of human life and other wise.

Oxy says our greats never leave on a high...I think that reflects us more than than them.

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Old 20th March 2007, 02:22
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yeah
we take the world cup waaaaayyy waaayy too seriously
if you dont do well in the world cup even if youve done brilliantly before.....
...youre screwed
inzi is a match winner but he cant play forever
forget about bashing the team for now
just move on

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Oxy says our greats never leave on a high...I think that reflects us more than than them.
It totally reflects on us.

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Old 20th March 2007, 02:26
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Would you be willing for him to take on a role (whatever that is) and be given 'carte blanche' to do it his way (as he did as a captain?)
Oxy,

Here is a man who claims he ran the show all himself he done everything himself but than bashes everyone else for the same exact thing. He actually thinks his opinions should be followed through more than anyone else. I am not his fan btw

So I am all for it. I won't ever complain he can do whatever on earth he wants...but I will hold him accountable for openers giving their wickets away...our best batsman getting out like a schoolboy and his future captain never standing up and leading from the front and when it matters the most...hooking wide balls...I am going to hold Imran accountable for it all!!!

I want him to try as hard BW did...only to see our players have tough time learning or following through...but we will only blame Imran and YK. I want the legend of Imran being the brightest Pakistani cricketer shattered into a billion pieces by the young PPer's or the wrist slitter squad. Perhaps they might learn a thing or two...maybe just maybe Imran will learn it is easier said than done.

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Old 20th March 2007, 02:39
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1. Like always he is all talk and nothing more. All he is doing is wanting to consult PCB.

2. "for someone that is allegedly so knowledgable about cricket he doesnt half talk some rot." I could not have said it any better.

3. I pray that he becomes the coach or head of the PCB...I believe in every word Oxy has said so far on how we treat the game today. Every ball every choice he makes will be open for debate. I want this legend of the brightest Pakistani cricketer gone out of the window period!

Like #2 pointed out he talks out of his rear side. Blaming Inzi for everything is clearly a mental problem of his and still think YK should lead us....that is laughable. I pray he either takes on the job or just shuts up.

Someone asked me before the world cup who do I blame for our current batting order...I simply said Imran Khan. Only because of him has YK been included in the team and than shoved up the order where Malik should have been. Without YK we could done so much with this ODI team but no we have to put a useless batsman up the order and cry abt Inzi at 5. Far as Inzi is concerned his opening since openers/1 down really doesn't count for much.


His philosphies have never changed you can suddenly start hating or what not. but the fact will remain. In cricket your as good as your captain. lara is a prime example. fleming are prime examples.

The younis khan thing, is the fact who else is going to captain. why dont we have yousuf captain. its not much of an upgrade. what malik. but malik hasnt even solidfied his position in the test side.

you have found a way to criticize imran through insults and what not. whats wrong with opinion.

You are defending the wrong people inzi. inzi has had unprecedented 40 test run as captain. I mean who can overlook the fact that he has lost the most tests in pakistan history. Your saying inzi should not be criticized. he has had one of the most insulated captaincies in history. It was the first time since imran that a captain was rotated.

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Old 20th March 2007, 02:45
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Oxy,

Here is a man who claims he ran the show all himself he done everything himself but than bashes everyone else for the same exact thing. He actually thinks his opinions should be followed through more than anyone else. I am not his fan btw

So I am all for it. I won't ever complain he can do whatever on earth he wants...but I will hold him accountable for openers giving their wickets away...our best batsman getting out like a schoolboy and his future captain never standing up and leading from the front and when it matters the most...hooking wide balls...I am going to hold Imran accountable for it all!!!

I want him to try as hard BW did...only to see our players have tough time learning or following through...but we will only blame Imran and YK. I want the legend of Imran being the brightest Pakistani cricketer shattered into a billion pieces by the young PPer's or the wrist slitter squad. Perhaps they might learn a thing or two...maybe just maybe Imran will learn it is easier said than done.


Essentially, your saying that imran shouldnt help if he isnt doing it fulltime. Am I right, assume imran takes up a post as say selector or something you would not mind. Or he was one of the delegates that wrote up a constituition for the adhoc commitee. you wouldnt be bothered by it right.

Thats fair.

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Tuesday March 20, 01:25 AM


Cricket great Imran Khan has offered his services to help restore Pakistan's status after its shocking exit from the World Cup in a three-wicket defeat against Ireland.

"I am ready to sit down with the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, Naseem Ashraf, and see what could we do to bring the nation out of this cricketing crisis," Khan said in a television program.

Khan blamed captain Inzamam-ul-Haq for the debacle after Pakistan lost both its group matches _ against the West Indies and Ireland _ to become the first team to slump out of contention in the 16-team competition.

"His captaincy was timid," Khan said.

"Inzamam himself said before the World Cup that he would bat at No. 4, but when the tournament began he came out to bat at No. 5," Khan said. "This built pressure on the team and we simply collapsed against medium pace bowlers of Ireland."

After the untimely death of coach Englishman Bob Woolmer, Khan advised the PCB to bring in two coaches _ one for the bowlers and other for batsmen.

"I would suggest Aqib Javed should be the bowling coach because he had coached Pakistan to win two Under-19 World Cups," Khan suggested.

However, without recommending the name of any former Pakistan cricketer, Khan said the PCB should look for a good batting coach.

Khan also backed Younis Khan as the future captain despite two poor knocks by the current Pakistan vice-captain in the World Cup.

"It's not the time to take drastic measures," Khan said.

Khan also said that it was now high time to streamline Pakistan's domestic cricket structure on the lines of Australia's domestic competition.

"I have played in Sheffield Shield and I know they have the best system of just six teams in first-class cricket," Khan said. "That's the only way we could also produce quality cricketers."


Imran Khan attacks President Musharraf for World Cup debacle

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1085921


It seems Imran Khan has finally decided to listen. My words and persistence have finally fallen on his ears.

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Pak is in EXACTLY the same position as we were in 2003.

Failure - leading to wholesale changes. That left a HUGE void. A rudderless ship.

WHat happened? Inzi - the most senior player (11 years international playing experience) reluctantly filled that void.

WHat happens in 2007?

No UNANIMOUS capatincy candidate - realistically, it can only be Younis KHan or Mohd Yusuf . The only regulars in the side.

Then someone says 'but YK is crap in ODIs' - so we look o'outside the box' - why not Shoaib Malik - but he isnt guaranteed a test spot.

So what do you do?

You are left with MoYo - guaranteed fixture in both formats of the game - but his beard gets in the way. He is too 'Muslim' for the team.....but others will say 'Is he really a 100% Muslim - he was a Christain a little while agao'......and so on.

In 2003 - Inzi was the ONLY CHOICE.

In 2007, we dont even have that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 20th March 2007, 02:50
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oh common not exactly the same
similar would be better
look at us in tests
asif's emmergence
youre right about the captaincy stuff though
its going to be difficult but i think younis will still get it
even after his histerics
i mean he was kept as vice no

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Old 20th March 2007, 02:53
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His philosphies? Almost everything he says starts with I, ME, My, I said this 20 years ago. What he says and what he does always had conflict of interest.
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The younis khan thing, is the fact who else is going to captain. why dont we have yousuf captain. its not much of an upgrade. what malik. but malik hasnt even solidfied his position in the test side.
What has YK exactly done? He leads from the front? NO. He scores when the teams needs them the most? No, he hooks wide balls. He has been active as a voice captain? No, Yousaf on the other hand is active and goes upto the bowlers often. What does he exactly do? He smiles alot...I mean really he smiles so much and is on a sugar diet. Loves putting his hands in others pants...avg less than 20 in his last 30 ODI's...and you are worrried abt what Malik has done?

I have never been a Imran Khan fan other than the cricketer he was. If you see my posts from a year ago...they will reflect the same thing.

I am defending the man I have loved grown up watching...who is responsible for more victories than any other member or all members combined in the current team. A world cup winner. Under whos leadership the team had united played like a unit...won matches and series without akhtar. Two wonderful years of cricket under him.

Missing his best bowlers and having to deal with pure umpiring in England and the scandals and still missing his bowlers in the WC...surely not everything has to do with Inzi...he tried and he failed. I for one can forgive a man who has been so calm under so much pressure for so long...you can't always take your team out of the trouble. It only goes to show how much we are depended upon him that we blame him for everything...surely no one else stood up and had themselves counted.

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In 2003 - Inzi was the ONLY CHOICE.

In 2007, we dont even have that!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not entirely true ... Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I remember after the last World Cup Inzy was also dropped from the side after his disastrous WC campaign. And we had someone else captain us for the following series. It was only when Inzy made a comeback to the team did he become captain. So I don't think Inzy was the ONLY CHOICE om 2003, because at that time we were looking towards a complete change of the team. Not much is different from 2003 IMO, other than the fact that I think we have found some good young bowlers who can give us hope for the future. The openers are still a problem and this issue looks like it will take an eternity to solve. I hope Imran does give some of his time to Pakistani cricket. That way instead of complaining about all our problems he can see the problems are not so easy to fix. I doubt we will see him as a board member or a coach, but an advisor and a person who regularly is in contact with the team of his calibre can only be good for the team. An example is how the windies have improved ever since Viv was given more of a role in windies cricket.

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I don't understand when 1 hour tip session with Pak team before WC would not help them, then how 3-4 hour meeting ll help whole structure of Pakistan cricket ?

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Old 20th March 2007, 04:32
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I don't understand when 1 hour tip session with Pak team before WC would not help them, then how 3-4 hour meeting ll help whole structure of Pakistan cricket ?
How dare you question him otherwise. He knows all...better than all of us. Don't you know he done everything himself.


safehands46 dude if your asking me still I think I have either confused you or your lost. I am all for Imran being the chairman..the selector...the captain for all I care....all I am interested in seeing is him getting butchered by you...the next series ofcourse you won't be alone either.

Imran has enjoyed much respect from the sidelines...in the days of Radio and our public wasn't entirely crazy about cricket. Let him come in the middle this time around...I am afraid I will have to quote Oxy one more time...he will be judged ball by ball and failure for one or all will be his fault as the coach or the selector.

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Old 20th March 2007, 04:37
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he ll never accept job as PCB president OR selection commity.
All he wants " sit down and discuss with PCB" so after that IF teams fails again, he say in media "I told them to do this, but they did that"
IF he is not part of PCB, then all he do is politics and this statement is also just to please ppl.

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I agree with Feather. Imran can shout all he wants but why doesn't he step up, take charge and show us what he is made of.

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Pak is in EXACTLY the same position as we were in 2003.

Failure - leading to wholesale changes. That left a HUGE void. A rudderless ship.

WHat happened? Inzi - the most senior player (11 years international playing experience) reluctantly filled that void.

WHat happens in 2007?

No UNANIMOUS capatincy candidate - realistically, it can only be Younis KHan or Mohd Yusuf . The only regulars in the side.

Then someone says 'but YK is crap in ODIs' - so we look o'outside the box' - why not Shoaib Malik - but he isnt guaranteed a test spot.

So what do you do?

You are left with MoYo - guaranteed fixture in both formats of the game - but his beard gets in the way. He is too 'Muslim' for the team.....but others will say 'Is he really a 100% Muslim - he was a Christain a little while agao'......and so on.

In 2003 - Inzi was the ONLY CHOICE.

In 2007, we dont even have that!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I do understand this situation but it is not as bad. First of all, i think Moyo, a very good player, wont make a good captain. His presence in the cricket field is not much different in the cricket field from Inzi.

People suggest Shahid Afridi but no sane cricket related person would want him to captain Pakistan. Two reasons:
i) How can he tell players to bat sensibly?
ii) He is too agressive and might offend some players by being too bossy at times. Akram faced this problem when he first captain Pakistan.

This only leaves us with two decent options, Younis Khan and Shoaib Malik. Both are known to be thinking cricketers and potential leaders. The problem with them is that one is not a certainty for ODIs and other is not for tests. But in the absence of Inzi i think both of them would easily walk into our test and ODI teams. We are in fact short on quality middle order batsmen yet.

At the end of the day, it's 50-50. Malik may actually be a better leader but Younis may command more respect in terms of experience at test level. The board has to finally pick one of the two after consulting with people who are closer to both of them. We sitting at a distance can't see the whole picture.

One thing is sure, Imran is all for Younis, and is going to go mad if Malik is made the captain.

It seems that Younis is more popular amongst senior players at the moment, and Pakistan may select him as the middle option between Moyo and Malik, after-all everyone has been saying for the last couple of years that Younis is being trained to be the next captain.

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Old 20th March 2007, 05:52
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One thing I do know is that we are not in that bad a situation as we were after the WC2003 exit. We needed to rebuild half the team with new players then.

Inzamam was never really a good motivating or energetic ODI captain. He did the leading by scoring runs in many dire situations. I yearned to see Inzamam open the innings to help solve the opening conundrum.

In the short term we are back at square one regarding openers. If we can crack this problem, we would have solved most of our batting problems.

For the long term, I agree with Imran that we the need to radically change the way domestic cricket is played. He has been saying it for more than 2 decades. It needs to be competitive (reduced teams like the Aussie league) and region based (e.g. cities or provincial). We also need to entice the crowds back into the stadium for domestic and test cricket.

Regarding captaincy, we are not spoilt for choice and YK will do for now.

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Old 20th March 2007, 05:55
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about freakin time, he should coach Pakistan to be honest...enough of his politics BS..its time for him to be what he was meant to be all teh time...and thats coach of Pakistan

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Old 20th March 2007, 06:09
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. He has been saying it for more than 2 decades. It needs to be competitive (reduced teams like the Aussie league) and region based (e.g. cities or provincial).


that's problem with him "I m saying this, I m saying that", but infact he hasn't done anything to make any changes. even when he was playing, he had all the powers, but why he didn't change structure of domestic cricket but instead used to stay in England and play county cricket ?

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I think that Imran is shrewd enough to distance himself from actual involvement in the Board workings. He knows it quite well that if things doesn't go his way (as Oxy rightly pointed out) he'd be torn to shred by the very powerful media that Pakistan possess (Made Musharaf apologize to them). If he wants to maintain his dignity he shouldn't get involved practically. Pakistan cricket boards job is a bed full of thorns and in my memory no Chairman/Captain/Coach has been able to walk out with dignity, rather they have been hounded and booted out.
Thats the price you have to pay when you walk into one of the most pressure jobs in World Cricket

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Old 20th March 2007, 07:19
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It's funny to see how big a hassle it is just to run the main sport in our country. Compared to the sports in other countries like China, Australia, the USA, and even a tiny country like Ireland...we seem SO SO far behind. And I don't know if poverty can be blamed as the reason.

As far as cricket goes, Imran Khan is the answer. He should leave his politics aside. He lives, eats, sleeps and breathes cricket whether he likes it or not. As far away he likes to be from it, he's always giving his views after every Pakistan game in the media. He should just step in as PCB chairman or as team coach or something. The team needs his input and support.

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Old 20th March 2007, 08:03
subshakerz subshakerz is offline
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Runs: 209
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Be reasonable...

The bottomline is that Imran has a political career which takes precedence over cricket. For Imran to even assist in an advisory role in restructuring Pakistan cricket is a big thing that we, as Pakistani fans, should be thankful for. It may not achieve miracles, but we shouldnt expect any either. And for all those criticizing Imran for not having restructured the domestic system while a cricketer or for not having become a coach, please, he's not superhuman. He shouldnt be expected to perform some Herculean task that's not even his responsibility, or to throw away a political career to solve nationwide problems for a coaching position in a sports team. As Pakistan's greatest cricketer/captain, he gives his frank opinion on what is right and wrong in the game, and whether we agree with it or not, to consider it worthless is to deny him the respect he's earned in two decades in the game.

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Old 20th March 2007, 08:09
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Oxy you need to stop portraying the team as the victims here.

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Old 20th March 2007, 08:19
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How dare you question him otherwise. He knows all...better than all of us. Don't you know he done everything himself.


safehands46 dude if your asking me still I think I have either confused you or your lost. I am all for Imran being the chairman..the selector...the captain for all I care....all I am interested in seeing is him getting butchered by you...the next series ofcourse you won't be alone either.

Imran has enjoyed much respect from the sidelines...in the days of Radio and our public wasn't entirely crazy about cricket. Let him come in the middle this time around...I am afraid I will have to quote Oxy one more time...he will be judged ball by ball and failure for one or all will be his fault as the coach or the selector.


Exactly so your thing all speculated if he fails. In the current cricket set up. We will have to wait before those speculations arise. anyhow so your saying it can be a positive but you want to see if he gets butchered for failure. yeah he will just like in politics. But how can one see what happens without even trying.

The thing imran has going for him is the fact he has been most successful thats why he is at demigod status at this point amongst cricketing community. He is quite powerful as persona, I mean not many people can take on the foreign media like he has. So it will definitely be a positive pr move for pakistan cricket. substance will depend one whether we win or not.

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Old 20th March 2007, 08:48
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One thing that Imran can do to help Pak Cricket is to keep his mouth shut and focus on his politics and his charity work . All the ideas that he is giving is well known to everyone what is lacking is an implementation of the same and for that one must full time committed to it . Just like he took the noble effort of building a Cancer hospital a great mission in his life ( and I very much salute him for that ) , to the same extent he must consider rebuilding the entire Cricketing structure in Pak as his next mission in life . Giving pep talks , writing columns , acting as a consultant to PCB , criticizing the coach and captain on TV etc will no way help in rebuilding the Cricketing Infrastructure in Pak to world class level .
Imran must throw everything and start working at the Grassroot level onwards .If he is not willing to do it then he must keep his mouth shut .People are fed up with his "Intellectual advice" .

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Old 20th March 2007, 08:49
inzidabest inzidabest is offline
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Imran should have been in line long time back. he is right most of the time.
Wasim should have been in as bowling coach long time back. Dont know what is Mushtaq doing as bowling coach!
Imran is the only saviour of Pakistan cricket.

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