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Old 27th March 2007, 04:07
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Hitman may have killed Woolmer

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0...2-23212,00.html

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PAKISTAN'S foreign ministry has asked international media to avoid "speculation and rumours" about the murder of cricket coach Bob Woolmer at the World Cup.

The plea comes amid rumours that Jamaican police investigating the strangling have not ruled out the possibility of a professional hitman being used to kill the 58 year old.

Deputy police commissioner Mark Shields said: "That's a possibility. I rule absolutely nothing out at all."

Shields believes any suspects are unlikely to be Jamaican, as firearms or knives are the local "favoured weapons", the BBC reported today.

Shields, who is leading the investigation, said: "It seems highly unlikely a Jamaican has walked off the street, gone up to the 12th floor in a secure lift, gone along to his room, got into his room without any sign of forced entry, murdered him and then not stolen anything at all."

Pakistan foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said rumours swirling around Woolmer's death were increasing the trauma faced by the team.

"There are lot of speculations and rumours, some of them very malicious. And we expect the media, international media particularly, to show some sensitivity," Aslam said.

"Our players are already traumatised. They have lost somebody who was very close to them, who was very dear to them, and these speculations and rumours do not help. They aggravate their situation.

"They do not help the investigations as well."

Shields said yesterday he had let the team fly home from Jamaica to avoid a diplomatic row.

He also confirmed that the manager of the International Cricket Council's Anti-Corruption Unit is investigating any possible links between the murder and match-fixing.

But former Pakistan captain Imran Khan was dismissive of that speculation.

"I still find it hard to believe that anyone would have a motive to kill Bob Woolmer," he said.

"It makes no sense, this theory about some match-fixing mafia."

Jamaican police confirmed yesterday that CCTV footage from the Pegasus Hotel in Kingston, where Woolmer was strangled, is being examined.

Shields, a former Scotland Yard detective, said he was hopeful that the footage from the 12th floor could yield images of Woolmer's killer or killers.

The tapes are now in a secure location and being converted digitally in order to enhance the quality of the images.

How can you make the quality better? That'd be heaps hard.
How many scenaruos are they gonna come up with?

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Old 27th March 2007, 04:15
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Seems like they produce an article for every possibility the police haven't ruled out.

All this is a testament to how little we all actually know about the murder.

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Old 27th March 2007, 04:15
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How can you make the quality better? That'd be heaps hard.
How many scenaruos are they gonna come up with?

I find it pretty silly how they haven't had a look at any CCTV footage till now. Bob was murdered over a week ago now and why has it taken them this long to start looking through video footage. I don't buy the story, I would say either the footage doesn't assist at all, or the police have a suspect but are just keeping a low profile.

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Old 27th March 2007, 04:18
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Or maybe a cop killed Woolmer? Like in the movies and on tv.

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Old 27th March 2007, 04:28
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As the saying goes..

If the killer was paid 1000, he will get caught
If the killer was paid 10,000 he will be punished lightly
If the killer was paid 100,000 he will never be caught

Point being, if the murder involves the BIG GUNS and the Rich Class of Cricket then this case will never get solved.

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Old 27th March 2007, 04:29
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Or maybe a cop killed Woolmer? Like in the movies and on tv.


Maybe those two police security on the floor that were missing during that fatefull night. were they in room 374?

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Old 27th March 2007, 05:01
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I think its more like this. Woolmer was poisoned the night before. The killers in the morning came to his room to confirm the kill, saw him alive, strangulated a zoned out man and made way.

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Old 27th March 2007, 05:10
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I think its more like this. Woolmer was poisoned the night before. The killers in the morning came to his room to confirm the kill, saw him alive, strangulated a zoned out man and made way.



sounds very plausable. now reports need to show that he was poisoned and we need to find someone suspicious entering 12th floor between midnight and 10am.

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Old 27th March 2007, 05:18
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[sounds very plausable. now reports need to show that he was poisoned and we need to find someone suspicious entering 12th floor between midnight and 10am.]

No: It has to be more bizzare: One has to check at the time when he wrote the E-Mails to his wife and PCB and then take ourselves towards 10AM...

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Old 27th March 2007, 05:21
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No one would know the password on his laptop. But I guess they could ask his wife and the PCB when they received the emails.

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Old 27th March 2007, 05:41
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They can surely get round the password protected pc. Not something all that hard to do, if you got the right tools.

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Old 27th March 2007, 06:02
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No one would know the password on his laptop. But I guess they could ask his wife and the PCB when they received the emails.


Password can be cracked and one (comp wizard) can get into the system and get the info...

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Old 27th March 2007, 06:02
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If they can get around the password. Then they might be able to see on his laptop if he recieved any threats or other emails that might help.

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Old 27th March 2007, 06:03
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Here is how u can throw away the email timing theory.

There are times when I have sent emails and the other party has received them after 4 hours even. It happens. So time on the email shouldnt be taken as a standard, it's anything but.

Second order of business is, may be the "hitman" made woolmer write the email, there in giving woolmer his last good bye to his wife. For all you know woolmer could have been clocked or was about to get clocked right when the email got sent.

Lastly, woolmer may have never sent the email and it was the hitman who could have written the email from woolmers laptop to offshoot the time at which the police should be focusing.


p.s. It would be so much easy if the person who took food in woolmer's room at 830 can be interrogated. Once the toxicology report acknowledges poisoning, there aint many ways how it got there and u have a very good suspect in the guy who brought food in the room. Interrogate him and bust the betting mafia once and for all.

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Old 27th March 2007, 06:08
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Here is how u can throw away the email timing theory.

There are times when I have sent emails and the other party has received them after 4 hours even. It happens. So time on the email shouldnt be taken as a standard, it's anything but.

Second order of business is, may be the "hitman" made woolmer write the email, there in giving woolmer his last good bye to his wife. For all you know woolmer could have been clocked or was about to get clocked right when the email got sent.

Lastly, woolmer may have never sent the email and it was the hitman who could have written the email from woolmers laptop to offshoot the time at which the police should be focusing.


p.s. It would be so much easy if the person who took food in woolmer's room at 830 can be interrogated. Once the toxicology report acknowledges poisoning, there aint many ways how it got there and u have a very good suspect in the guy who brought food in the room. Interrogate him and bust the betting mafia once and for all.

That's some quite interesting thoughts you have there. But I think Woolmer did send the email. If he was forced to or not is a different story.
We dont even knowif it's a hitman yet.

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Old 27th March 2007, 06:09
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p.s. It would be so much easy if the person who took food in woolmer's room at 830 can be interrogated. Once the toxicology report acknowledges poisoning, there aint many ways how it got there and u have a very good suspect in the guy who brought food in the room. Interrogate him and bust the betting mafia once and for all.

Have they done finger prints on the tray that the food was brought with?
Have they done finger prints on the door?

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Old 27th March 2007, 06:12
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Have they done finger prints on the tray that the food was brought with?
Have they done finger prints on the door?


U think the person carrying poisoned food will be so stupid to not wear gloves and leave his tags everywhere in the room ?

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Old 27th March 2007, 06:24
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Here is how u can throw away the email timing theory.

There are times when I have sent emails and the other party has received them after 4 hours even. It happens. So time on the email shouldnt be taken as a standard, it's anything but.

Second order of business is, may be the "hitman" made woolmer write the email, there in giving woolmer his last good bye to his wife. For all you know woolmer could have been clocked or was about to get clocked right when the email got sent.

Lastly, woolmer may have never sent the email and it was the hitman who could have written the email from woolmers laptop to offshoot the time at which the police should be focusing.


p.s. It would be so much easy if the person who took food in woolmer's room at 830 can be interrogated. Once the toxicology report acknowledges poisoning, there aint many ways how it got there and u have a very good suspect in the guy who brought food in the room. Interrogate him and bust the betting mafia once and for all.


Interesting thoughts...i really hope that this nightmare( which has carried on till noon) would end as soon as possible.

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Old 27th March 2007, 08:43
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I am sure the police must have already done this, but to me albeit from thousands of miles away, it's clear he was poisoned then strangled. Given the poison type, it must be possible to determine the time gap between taking it and being ill. The strangulation followed as a final check that the poison did the work. It is also clear that there was no evidence of a struggle. No man weak or strong allows himself to be strangulated without putting up a fight and possibly screaming for help. The hotel was full and someone could have heard.

I think therefore room service is the key. Who brought him the food who could have poisoned it? Either the chef, or the bearer, or anybody enroute that had access to the food are key witnesses.

The CCTV must show who brought the food in. He would emerge from the lift with a food tray. From there the jigsaw can start. Real live witnesses can give important leads.

Could it have been the match fixing mafia? Why? What possible thing could Bob have known about them, that isn't already known? And why would the match fixer care? Certainly why would the match fixing mafia bring the wrath of a full scale on his/their head?

There has to be something else behind such a cold calculated murder.

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Old 27th March 2007, 10:04
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Here is how u can throw away the email timing theory.

There are times when I have sent emails and the other party has received them after 4 hours even. It happens. So time on the email shouldnt be taken as a standard, it's anything but.


It still tells you the time the e-mail was sent. The e-mail was sent at 3.15am SA time but Gill Woolmer didn't get it for many hours later.

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Second order of business is, may be the "hitman" made woolmer write the email, there in giving woolmer his last good bye to his wife. For all you know woolmer could have been clocked or was about to get clocked right when the email got sent.


This is possible but highly unlikely. Bob surely would have found a way to either hint a message or call for help. The killer would not want to hang around for too long.

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Lastly, woolmer may have never sent the email and it was the hitman who could have written the email from woolmers laptop to offshoot the time at which the police should be focusing.


Imposssible. Gill Woolmer said the e-mail contained personal family matters. Only Bob could have written it.


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p.s. It would be so much easy if the person who took food in woolmer's room at 830 can be interrogated. Once the toxicology report acknowledges poisoning, there aint many ways how it got there and u have a very good suspect in the guy who brought food in the room. Interrogate him and bust the betting mafia once and for all.


Agree

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Old 27th March 2007, 10:27
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Bob was found half naked...so surely the killers din hang around for long..and yes...God forbid...and not saying that he was...

Mod Edit: No evidence to suggest that.

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Old 27th March 2007, 12:10
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he was found half naked since it was early morning.. so he probably was woken up or he was gettin dressed as the 'murderer' entered

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Old 27th March 2007, 12:25
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Bob was found half naked...so surely the killers din hang around for long..and yes...God forbid...and not saying that he was...

Mod Edit: No evidence to suggest that.


so far NO match fixing news/material from his lap top. as headline say on cricinfo

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Old 27th March 2007, 13:28
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Mr. Shields is the coolest cat on the block. It couldn't have been a Jamaican because they would've either shot him or stabbed him to death and then taken the laptop and his wallet. Yay, I want a police chief cool enough to paint such a wonderful picture of my peoples.

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Old 27th March 2007, 13:53
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Mr. Shields is the coolest cat on the block. It couldn't have been a Jamaican because they would've either shot him or stabbed him to death and then taken the laptop and his wallet. Yay, I want a police chief cool enough to paint such a wonderful picture of my peoples.


Why don't you try and understand what is being said. In the context of the enquiry what he was trying to say might be an unlikely happening, is a petty thief killing Bob. The local weapons of choice are knives and guns (he should know more about that than you, unless of course you have some personally gathered information you want to pass on to the police chiefs of Jamaica about 'your people') and the petty thief, as that was the clear implication whom he was talking about wouldn't go through all the trouble and leave without taking any of the valuables in the room. What has that got to do with painting a 'wonderful picture'. It is plain simple common sense.

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Old 27th March 2007, 14:06
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Yippee, now i've been hit by the context police. such a wonderful day ...

and whats with all this he should know more about that than you? i'm not the one coming up with theories sitting all those miles away in that brilliant post # 19 up above.

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Old 27th March 2007, 14:22
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Yippee, now i've been hit by the context police. such a wonderful day ...

and whats with all this he should know more about that than you? i'm not the one coming up with theories sitting all those miles away in that brilliant post # 19 up above.


You failed to notice the caveats accompanying those theories.

No need to feel victimised by the context police or anybody else. Nobody is after you. It's all in your mind!

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Old 27th March 2007, 14:24
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yay, followed up with some free psychoanalysis.

my new favourite coolest cat on the block!

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Old 27th March 2007, 14:28
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yay, followed up with some free psychoanalysis.

my new favourite coolest cat on the block!



Alas!

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Old 27th March 2007, 14:30
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yay, followed up with some free psychoanalysis.

my new favourite coolest cat on the block!

Anyone who hold Ramiz in such high regards must be a tad bit loony!

Heres my free psychoanalysis

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Old 27th March 2007, 14:37
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Anyone who hold Ramiz in such high regards must be a tad bit loony!

Heres my free psychoanalysis


your cheque is in the Jamaican mail. expect it to be stabbed, shot, and cashed before receipt.

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