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Old 9th May 2005, 20:14
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Crusade movie strikes chord in Arab world

CAIRO (Reuters) - A new epic movie about the Crusades has struck a chord in the Arab world, where cinema goers say it has challenged the Hollywood stereotype of Arabs and Muslims as terrorists.

Ridley Scott's "Kingdom of Heaven", which depicts a 12th Century battle for Jerusalem between Muslims and Crusaders, is also a welcome message of support for those who back moderation over extremism in managing ties between Islam and the West.

"The film goes against religious fanaticism very clearly. All that goes against hatred, fanaticism and systematic opposition between those two worlds is welcome," said Lebanese writer Amin Maalouf, author of 'The Crusades Through Arab Eyes'.

Some religious leaders were concerned a film about the Crusades, a term once used by U.S. President George W. Bush to describe the war on terror, would fuel the idea of a war between the West and Islam after the September 11, 2001 attacks.

"The aim of the film is to heal wounds, not reopen them," Egyptian film critic Tarek al-Shenawy said.

Some historians have accused Scott of being too sympathetic to Saladin, the Kurdish leader of the Muslim army which in 1187 recaptured Jerusalem from the Crusaders. A British academic said the film was "Osama bin Laden's version of history".

Maalouf said the film appeared too hard on the Knights Templar, an order of Crusader warrior monks.

"There were also people in the Arab camp who wanted war at all costs," Maalouf said by telephone from France. "My impression is that the historical sequences were fairly accurate. The spirit of those times is there."

Muslim groups have praised the film by the director of "Gladiator" for its portrayal of Saladin.

Cinemagoers in the Arab world say the film might help repair some of the damage done to Islam's reputation by Hollywood movies that have set Muslim militants against American heroes and what many see as unfair Western news coverage of the region.

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"Arabs and Muslims usually appear as bloodthirsty savages in Hollywood productions. Kingdom of Heaven is fairer -- the Arabs and Muslims come out much better," said Deana Elimam, an Egyptian-American living in Cairo.

Shenawy said Saladin, played by Syrian actor Ghassan Massoud, would have made a greater impact if Scott had given him a more visible role. "You see glimpses of his heroism," he said.

"It doesn't realise all aspirations, but we cannot ask Ridley Scott to present everything. It is enough that he presents an image in which there is some balance," he said.

But Scott's efforts have not won universal praise among Middle Eastern viewers.

U.S.-based Lebanese academic As'ad AbuKhalil objected to a scene where the lead character, a Crusader called Balian and played by Orlando Bloom, appeared to show Arab peasants how to dig wells to irrigate farm land.

"I was ... most unhappy, when the hero of the movie ... took over his estate, and with typical Western 'genius' taught those inferior Arabs how to dig for water, as if they had not been doing that for centuries," AbuKhalil said on his Web site.

"This is akin to the Western myth of Zionist immigration causing the "desert to bloom" in Palestine."

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Old 9th May 2005, 20:16
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It's an awesome movie and portrays Muslims very well too!

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I heard it is a good movie and that many Christians have criticised it as being too pro-Islamic.

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Old 9th May 2005, 20:17
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i will definitely go and see it - it makes a change from the usual movies

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Old 9th May 2005, 20:18
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I will also definitely see it

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Old 9th May 2005, 20:19
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what's the certificate?

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Old 9th May 2005, 20:22
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15 in Bahrain but its censored...

I saw it - highly recommended - Excellent movie but some of the prayer scenes for Muslims seem a little odd !!

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Old 9th May 2005, 20:24
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how come - we get everything last here in UK?

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Old 9th May 2005, 20:27
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I dunno.

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after this okind of response i see @ PP
i ll definately go and see this movie

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when is it coming out on the internet ?

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I watched it .. I thought it was ok. But certainly it isnt up to the quality of some of the other movies like this (i.e. Gladiater, Lord of the Rings,,,,)
But muslims are certainly shown quite fairly thoughout the movie.

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I watched it .. I thought it was ok. But certainly it isnt up to the quality of some of the other movies like this (i.e. Gladiater, Lord of the Rings,,,,)
But muslims are certainly shown quite fairly thoughout the movie.



thats bcos the films were pure fantasy... and there was unlimited license

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I watched it .. I thought it was ok. But certainly it isnt up to the quality of some of the other movies like this (i.e. Gladiater, Lord of the Rings,,,,)
But muslims are certainly shown quite fairly thoughout the movie.



thats bcos the films were pure fantasy... and there was unlimited license

Yeah I guess they made this one more factual. Though some of the stuff in this movie was suspicious as well. I mean do you really think that the Orlando Bloom character randomly bumped into a muslim general wandering the desert and made freinds with him.

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Good point there Toonboy

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I watched it .. I thought it was ok. But certainly it isnt up to the quality of some of the other movies like this (i.e. Gladiater, Lord of the Rings,,,,)
But muslims are certainly shown quite fairly thoughout the movie.



thats bcos the films were pure fantasy... and there was unlimited license

Yeah I guess they made this one more factual. Though some of the stuff in this movie was suspicious as well. I mean do you really think that the Orlando Bloom character randomly bumped into a muslim general wandering the desert and made freinds with him.


Yes there was dispute..even by muslim groups in america way b4 the filming was finished.Well..Blooms's character and romance was pure fictionin the first place.

If there was one character from LOTR...
I would made a spinoff film with - its the hero legolas...man..his arrows were like semi-machine gun styled bullets!

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bump for annie!

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thanx WIY! hmmm...that might just be one movie not to miss...

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it does seem like rather a good movie - at first i was hesitant when mona recommended it - i thought it was just because orlando bloom was in it - but reading reviews it does seem like a good movie

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Guys - discuss the movie if you like - but pls dont give away the plot and the characters... some havent seen it yet!

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i dont think its out yet in UK - i cant wait for it

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Guys - discuss the movie if you like - but pls dont give away the plot and the characters... some havent seen it yet!



Why have they changed the outcome of the crusades?

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Ok now you have pushed the limit A Man....

They all die in the end - happy !!!

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