Can Pakistan win a test match without both Inzi AND YoYo??

Can anyone name me one test match since Youhana's debut that Pakistan have won without Youhana AND Inzamam?



...we have confirmataion that it has happened ( ) from our resident expert AJ, so can anyone tell me how many matches we have won without Inzi and YoYo?

How dare you accuse AJ of such titles!!?

AJ is not a resident expert, he is a living legend!!!!!!!!



It'd be interesting to know the real answer though =)

where does it say in my comments inzi "and" yoyo...?

seems u have a problem understanding english....!

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i see you're having problems with context again, let me remind you. The discussion was about missing players and Daoud said...



...Daoud mentioned both batsmen and you replied...



...at this point u could escape by saying you meant Inzi or YoYo but then Dauod clarified by asking you to tell him the last time we won a match without Inzi AND Youhana...



...you replied saying you cant remember off the top of your head, you never said I meant Inzi OR YoYo. You said you couldnt remember off the top of your head.

Dont try and change it now, please do tell us which match/matches you were talking about??

I'd be most interested to hear ;)+

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give it 4 years and ul find out

There are very very few tests we have played without both. Other than the Aus series in 2002 I can't remember any.

Anyhow we played poorly and lost. Time to move on now.

Shouldn't the question be 'Can Pakistan win a Test Match?' Or Test Series?'

its a question for Amjid. I'd be very interested to know which match/maches he was referring to.

I think Pakistan can win without Inzi and YoYo once the young players get some experience.

Even now they can win given a stronger bowling line-up and better replacement for Inzi and YoYo. You can't ask a debutant to replace Inzi and a low in confidence player to replace youhana.

Except Australia most teams would struggle to win without their two best batsman.

well take Sachin and Dravid from India, Lara and Chanderpaul from WI, would those sides still be as good?

I think that until there are high quality replacements like Hasan Raza then no. even then, these guys averages 50 and 47 in tests, have in the mid 30s test tons between them, over 10k runs between them I think.

Yes u need depth in the squad but u still need ur core players.

in short:

NO

only if we are playing Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

well he did say a test match

It would be interesting to see their joint contributions for the last 10 test matches.

I don't think we have played many Tests in this period in which both Inzi and YoYo did not feature...perhaps just a few, if anything.

But Colombo '02 was a marvelous effort where we came mighty close to defeating none other than arguably the greatest team ever assembled. That is the match where Shoaib Akhtar demolished Aussie top and middle order....Steve Waugh, Mark Waugh, Adam Gilchrist, Ricky Ponting and Warne in the space of five overs. We valiantly fell short by 30-odd runs.

I will never understand for the life of me how Pakistan lost that game.

A low score in the first Inns was our undoing

as we did play well in the 4th inns by our standards

YK given lbw when he was playing excellently and all set to make those few runs needed. But it was just an honest mistake from Bucknor. The flipper from Warne hit YK outside off-stump, but as he was on the back-foot, it seemed close to the naked eye.

Aussie sledging also played its part as the openers who had made an astonishing start came under severe verbal abuse. Nazir lost his nerve and holed out.

Misbah played one of the most irresponsible shots imaginable in that situation.

Australia fought back trendously.

BTW, how many Test matches has Pak played in this period mentioned without Inzi and Yoyo? I would say no more than 5 or 6.

the key wicket in that match was taufeeq umar... he was batting superbly and fell to brett lee if memory serves me right just b4 the close on day 4!

saqlain mustaqs wild slog in 2nd inns when he needed to stick with f iqbal was a disgrace!

Here is the answer for anyone interested...

Youhana's debut test match was vs South Africa in Feb 1998.

Since Youhana's debut test match, Pakistan have never won a test match when both these batsmen were missing from the team!

This stat doesnt really mean that much because Pakistan has played 67 test since Youhana's debut, Inzi has played in 56 of those tests and Youhana has played in 59! That means Inzi has only missed 11 of those matches and Youhana has missed 8!

There are only 4 matches where both Inzi and Youhana have been missing from the Pak squad at the same time! 3 of those tests were the home series (in SL and UAE) vs Aus in 2002 and one was the recent test vs WI.

However one thing that stat does show is that Pakistan have never won a test match when both Youhana AND Inzi have been missing unlike what some people ( ) would have us believe.

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watch your filthy language Amjid. Nobody called you names, nobody insulted you, nobody posted any filthy language towards you, yet you resort to the filthy language you regularly resort to. This was a cricketing discussion, why dont you respond with stats or cricketing talk instead of filth ?

Absolutely disgusting behaviour Amjid and absolutely no need for it all !!!! How many times have you apologised yet go the same way again. Its time you learned a bit of self control.

i suggest u tell ur fellow mod not to attribute comments towards myself i havent made....!

as per usual its ok for merc to try and openily try and humilate a poster yet u expect a restrained repsonse?

saj, why dont u do me a big favour... and read below.....

merc quote - Can anyone name me one test match since Youhana's debut that Pakistan have won without Youhana AND Inzamam?

Amjid Javed wrote:
weve won test matches b4 without inzi/yoyo...!

that excuse doesnt wash with me at all

if u can find where ive put the word "AND" then show me the post... seems ur fellow MOD has a comprenshion problem.....!

The whole point of mercs post was to try and humilate me... yet u see such posts as fit to be on the board?

if thats the case then am off....!

il tell u right now i dont wana be part of a board where MODS see it ok for posters to try and humilate sum1 else for a few cheap hand claps...

there was a thread on this already was there any need for a new one...

ive told u this b4 SAJ, if peeps are gona provoke il tell them where to go plain and simple....!

once agen u side with the provoker....!

i have nothing more to say

Amjid. Read this very very carefully. I am not one for taking sides, doesnt matter to me who the person is, all posters are equal on here.

The discussion was cricket related, you should respond with criceting reasons and answers - However you seem to have a problem realising that you cannot go around calling people names, abusing them, swearing at them and think that I will just accept it. This is a family site that I am responsible for not a zoo or a free for all where anything goes. Maybe you think that its fine for you to start abusing others on here, but I dont and never will.

Who swore at you, who called you names, who abused you, who wrote filth about you in this thread - NOBODY DID !!! Yet you are the one who resorted to calling people names and posting disgusting and uneccessary language which I had to delete. This is not about who the poster is or who the mod is, or who has been on the site the longest or who has the most posts - its about respect, tolerance, appreciation of others viewpoints, discussions in an adult way, not swearing and abuse at the first opportunity. What rubbish about "if I'm provoked", this is a forum where not everybody will agreee with your comments and you have to accept that.

Amjid very disappointing stuff from you, this after you assured me last time that you would not resort to this.

Saj bhai,
I get on with both Amjid Bhai and Merc Bhai. May I take your permission to say sosmething not against anyone or in favour but what I think? I am asking u because I don't want u to think I am interfering in your job as PP manager.

Thanks

Faisal yaar, hope all is well. I've said my piece here. I will not tolerate abusive language again and again from Amjid. Swearing and calling people filthy maggots and other disgusting stuff is not acceptable.

Bhai, mail me, copy Merc and AJ in on it. I'll reply tomorrow as I'm off to bed now.

Matter closed for now.

Thanks bhai
It's nothing really big or anything that is private.

I wrote out a post but wasn't sure if I am allowed to comment.

I am not taking no sides but this is what I was about to post:
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Sorry if I seem nosey but nobody should leave. I have not read much of this thread neither do I have time at the moment as I have to rush off. I dont know who said what.

If it counts and makes any difference what I say then please read:

Calm down everyone

Merc and Amjid you are both great posters and guys I respect. If u 2 don't like each others post then just dont reply to each other.

Come on bros: tension nahi lehne ka..just chill and forgive and forget. We are all brothers in Islam and this is only a forum.

very nice post Fessal. I agree totally.

Fessal, i DONT like merc at all il be frankly honest.

if merc wants to have a cricket discussion then fine...! however time and time agen merc brings ups arguements for 2/3 months even 6 months ago to try and taint my credability and sway a discussion in his favour...!

to hold such grudges to me is petty and uncalled for.

i ask you... wasnt there a discussion on this issue already?

why make a whole new post?

answer - to try and make myself look foolish...!

its obvious this is a spill over from the YK thread arguement....!

any chance merc gets he will use it to provoke or try 2 humilate me.....

to me thats disgusting....!

i cud be just as petty with other posters and bring up posts from years ago and say u said this and u said that etc....

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if merc wants 2 discuss cricketing issues he shud stick to the topic rather than drag things up from the past and hes done this with other posters aswell....

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i dont blv in dragging up the past or publically humliating sum1.

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i tend to ignore mercs posts anyways... but when time and time agen he gets in ur face then its hard 2 ignore....!

il tell u straight merc has had issues with me for almost a yeat now and these types of threads are common practice....!

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i have nothing more to add i wont reply to mercs threads and i suggest what ever petty grude he has he can just come out and say what he has 2 say rather than these random outbursts every month or so....

i shouldnt say anything perhaps

say what eva u feel....!

amjid, you take things too seriously. you throw your opinions around as you well know and most of them irk qiute a few at times, other times you talk sense and theyre fine.
However, when you say soemthing the way you do, you should know that inconsistency would come back to haunt you specially when you berate others implictly or directly.

That being said, there is no justification for swearing or mouthing off, regardless of the provocation.

umar, i say things i feel at that moment and if i change my opinion later down line why cant i? things change and they can alter a persons thinking. im not here to please any1 or to fall in line with any1 elses line of thinking cricketing wise. if sumat comes back to haunt me so be it. nobodys perfect. however draging things up from 3/4 months ago which have no relevancy to topic in question just for purpose of tainting sum1s reputation is very low and disgusting in my opinion...! to me holding grudges is wrong yet merc does....!

for instance last week we wer dicussing YK in odi sqaud yet merc brings up the afridi incident in sydney.. what relevancy did that have?

none at all... if sum1 like merc are gona make new posts for purpose of shaming sum1 add to fact hes going of presumptions aswell then i am bound 2 react....!

"umar, i say things i feel at that moment and if i change my opinion later down line why cant i? things change and they can alter a persons thinking."

I think this should vindicate you from any further such posts. I hope you mean it and im sure merc will also take this into account.
Otherwise, you will have my vote though.

but amjid, you have to stop swearing. you have sworn badly at me as well, provocation or not, you shouldnt do that.

This was the attitude friend/irfan had, where he said he would abuse any1 that he felt 'provoked him' and you were one of the ones who would complain daily about him! Yet another inconsistency?



We were talking about credibility at the time which requires a persons past inconsistencies to be brought up but trust you not to mention that! It's not my fault you had nothing to say when i said give me one example of where I have been inconsistent!



Dont exaggerate, i dont have an issue with you (i dont even speak to u off the board), i have an issue with what you say especially when its so inconsistent and often wholly inaccurate!



Nobody has an issue with that especially not me but you need to realise that when you present an opinion you need to present it as such and not try to ram it down everyone's throat like you usually do.

Take me for example, i made a thread on the old SN saying i had always felt Afridi should be played as a bowling all-rounder. At the time Afridi was unproven as a bowling all-rounder and most people saw him as a failed opening batsmen. Yet rather than accepting my view as my view you went into a 2-3 page (often abusive on your part) argument with me trying to ridicule the concept of Afridi as a bowling all-rounder and would you care to tell me what role Afridi fills in the team today??

Thats just one example of many where you jump overboard and then complain when some1 reminds you down the line of what you were so vehement about before. If you can change your mind every 2 mins then why cant people remind you? There's nothing wrong with it and you should be a good sport and accept it.

I'm not always right, at one point I was dvocating dropping Malik from the team but I was proved wrong and when he was destroying bowling attacks I was happy to admit I had been wrong about him. If you're going to have an ever changing opinion then you should be able to accept things with good grace. Whats wrong with saying ok I was wrong about this or that? We're all human and make mistakes, if I'm wrong about something i admit it and I dont start abusing anyone who reminds me or asks me why I said something!

Not everyone on this forum is a little kid whom is easily impressed by you constantly changing your opinion with the situation to try and sound like an expert, most of us can see through it and i think that is what upsets you!

Anyway stay out of my way but if you are going to constantly change your mind after being very vocal about your previous mode of thought then you should expect to be reminded about it!!

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1st off all i aint looking to impress any1, i suggest u look at urself b4 throwing such flimsy allegations around...!

2ndly if ur gona continue to drag up post from 3/4 months ago which have no releveance then i will give u back the same lack of respect u give me...!

Amjid, swearing is disgusting in my opinion. Anybody who has to resort to swearing doesnt hold much sway with me and I have no time or respect for such people.

Instead of swearing and trying to portray this "hard man" image, I think you should concentrate on responding in a respectful manner. It would portray you as a much better poster on PakPassion.