Madad: yeh kaunsa sher hai?

[Team Slayer]

I know there is a sher by Ghalib (I think) which goes something like:

Nazuki (delicateness) uss lubb/zulf ki kya kahiyay
Kali aik gulab ki see hai

(not sure whether its lubb or zulf)

does anyone know of the correct sher, and who said it? thanks!

[Schiller]

oh bhootni kay

har cheez ghalib kay naam daal daytay ho

this is one of the greatest by one of the greatest - Mir!!!

nazuki us kay lub ki kia khaiyay
pankharri ik gulab ki si hai!

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , oh bhootni kay har cheez ghalib kay naam daal daytay ho this is one of the greatest by one of the greatest - Mir!!! nazuki us kay lub ki kia khaiyay pankharri ik gulab ki si hai!

Who do you think is better, mir of ghalib , ?

[Schiller]

my personal preference is Mir. I think he was definitely on par with ghalib if not greater

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , my personal preference is Mir. I think he was definitely on par with ghalib if not greater

Interesting..Did you watch the serial on ghalib with nasruddin shah ?

[Gasherbrum]

abay kis haseena kay peechay haath dhokay par gaya hai ?? roz naye sher ajatay hain.

[Schiller]

yes i did, liked it.

ive read the only deewan in urdu of ghalib and atleast 80% of mir's 6 deewans, i rate mir higher

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , oh bhootni kay har cheez ghalib kay naam daal daytay ho this is one of the greatest by one of the greatest - Mir!!! nazuki us kay lub ki kia khaiyay pankharri ik gulab ki si hai!

that's the one! thanks a lot! Allah aap ko chaand see bhabhi day

and every good sher that i can remember is by default Ghalib's...unless someone corrects me or I find out that it was said by someone else

can u post the ghazal? List of Urdu Poets

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , yes i did, liked it. ive read the only deewan in urdu of ghalib and atleast 80% of mir's 6 deewans, i rate mir higher

I don't know, sometimes mir was a bit too fluffy, but to each their own I suppose...

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by Gasherbrum abay kis haseena kay peechay haath dhokay par gaya hai ?? roz naye sher ajatay hain.

[Schiller]

you say mir was fluffy?

allow me to retort - you have no idea of what youre talking about


ts, that one doesnt have mir listed

[Gasherbrum]

TS do you know Rizwan or Osman Awan (waterloo boys) ?

[Schiller]

gasher

my mistake ts, he is listed, let me check

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , you say mir was fluffy? allow me to retort - you have no idea of what youre talking about ts, that one doesnt have mir listed

Rrright I sure don't ..As I said before everyone has their own preferences..

[Team Slayer]

Umar bhai, what is Mir's full name btw?

[Schiller]

there you are ts

http://www.urdupoetry.com/meer12.html

actually zushy in this case, you really dont

[Schiller]

mir taqi mir, spelt as meer taqi meer on that site.

ive posted the ghazal above

another good one from there

mir in neembaaz aankhon main
saari masti sharaab ki si hai

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by Gasherbrum TS do you know Rizwan or Osman Awan (waterloo boys) ?

No I don't Gasher...but I think I have heard their names. If they go to the univ, I'm sure i know them by face.

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , there you are ts http://www.urdupoetry.com/meer12.html actually zushy in this case, you really dont

thanks again

great poem.

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , there you are ts http://www.urdupoetry.com/meer12.html actually zushy in this case, you really dont

Getting a little defensive are we now.So anybody who doesn't think mir is not that good as ghalib you resort to cutting down person's credibility..Nice one.

[Schiller]

actually no, criticisim is not wrong per se but inaccurate criticism is zushy. in that case, it was obvious you havent read him much or with much poetic intelligence atleast.

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , mir taqi mir, spelt as meer taqi meer on that site. ive posted the ghazal above another good one from there mir in neembaaz aankhon main saari masti sharaab ki si hai

set sher hai yar...maza aa geya.

[Schiller]

chahtay hain so aap karain
hum ko abas budnaam kia

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , actually no, criticisim is not wrong per se but inaccurate criticism is zushy. in that case, it was obvious you havent read him much or with much poetic intelligence atleast.

Yes I have absolutely no poetic intelligence coming from a great philospher and poet like you..Yes mir can be fluffy but I never said he was not a great poet..In fact some of his later stuff was better than Ghalib..But I just found sometimes mir can be little fluffy..That's just my opinion..

[entralinks]

tum hum se hotay ho goya
jab koi doosra nahi hota

[Schiller]

tum meray paas hotay ho goya
jab koi doosra nahin hot - momin

great philosopher and poet??
dont taunt me boysie

[Team Slayer]

Gairat-e-yusuf hai ye vaqt-e-aziiz
'Meer' is ko raayegaa.N khotaa hai kyaa

The reference to Yusuf (AS) in this one reminds me of Ghalib's reference to Easa (AS):

Ibn-e-Mariam hua karay koi
Meray dard ki dawa karay koi

waisay this Mir chap is pretty good, i must say

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , tum meray paas hotay ho goya jab koi doosra nahin hot - momin great philosopher and poet?? dont taunt me boysie

Didn't you mention you wrote some poetry..Lets see some

[Schiller]

ghalib acknowledged mir as his superior actually
and for that one verse of momin, ghalib said ill give him my entire work if i can have that one shair.

[Schiller]

i do write poetry but that is not germane to the issue

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , ghalib acknowledged mir as his superior actually and for that one verse of momin, ghalib said ill give him my entire work if i can have that one shair.

heard that too! incidently thats the only sher i have ever read from momin ;))

[Schiller]

heres one
that ghazal is the one of the bes ti have ever read

woh jo hum main tum main karar thaa
yaani wohi waada nibah ka
tumhay yaad ho kay naa yaad ho

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , i do write poetry but that is not germane to the issue

Of course it is, you often quote great legends like mir and ghalib and advocate philosophies of keats, so lets see where it has taken you in the arc of poetry..

[entralinks]

Originally Posted by , tum meray paas hotay ho goya jab koi doosra nahin hot - momin great philosopher and poet?? dont taunt me boysie

Believe me what I say to you, that is the ONLY SINGLE sher I have remembered over the years in my life and actually felt quite proud to do so, but even that has come out to be wrong wording-wise. I better kill myself.

[Schiller]

"
Of course it is, you often quote great legends like mir and ghalib and advocate philosophies of keats"

philosophy of keats? i have almost never done that directly, good of you to catch it
you do know what his philosophy was i hope?
more apt to say, his approach than philosophy.

[Team Slayer]

bhaiyo, aik aur sher dhuund wa do...this one is from Iqbal for sure. I remember seeing this in grade 5 or 6 on a poster in school, and it stuck on me...but have forgotton the words.

it goes something like this (grossly paraphrasing!):

kafir ki nishaani yeh hai kay hai aasmaN main gum
momin ki nishaani yeh hai kay aasmaN iss main gum hai

[Schiller]

ts, since you're wooing a wench nowadays, jigar is another poet who might come in handy

[Schiller]

iqbal would be robosapien's domain

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , ts, since you're wooing a wench nowadays, jigar is another poet who might come in handy

im not wooing anyone, jigar ....should have though, magar ab kya pashtawaN jab chiryaN chug gayeeN khet.

[Schiller]

2

chirriyon kay baad shaairi yaad hai
doob mar chulloo bhar paani main 2

[Gasherbrum]

abay ye tou nakaam aashiq nikla!

[Schiller]

bikaar aadmi hai yar!

paray hatao saalay ko

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , 2 chirriyon kay baad shaairi yaad hai doob mar chulloo bhar paani main 2

good one!

[Team Slayer]

bila waja ki taking! chubbay!

[Gasherbrum]

besharam nalaiq nikammay!!
iss din kay liye paal pos kay bara kiya tha, kay bachi say phat jaye??

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by Gasherbrum besharam nalaiq nikammay!! iss din kay liye paal pos kay bara kiya tha, kay bachi say phat jaye??

[Schiller]

bila wajah?

bhootni kay, pahlay bacchi haath say nikalnay di phir kahtay ho yeh kis ka shair hai or woh kis ka
dair ki paidaaish kahin kay

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by , 2 chirriyon kay baad shaairi yaad hai doob mar chulloo bhar paani main 2

A Tad harsh but warranted I suppose..

[Schiller]

thorray din baad kahay gaa
kaunsi sharaab achi hai

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , bila wajah? bhootni kay, pahlay bacchi haath say nikalnay di phir kahtay ho yeh kis ka shair hai or woh kis ka dair ki paidaaish kahin kay

zakhmoN pay namak mat chirko, boss!

[Schiller]

bus yar tum nay aik baar phir mayoos kia hai

there was a good saying in urdu that my friends used to say but it would be censored here
ha

[Team Slayer]

Originally Posted by , thorray din baad kahay gaa kaunsi sharaab achi hai

"Yeh jo halka halka suroor hai
sab teri nazar ka kasoor hai
kai sharaab peena sikha dia.."

[Awesome Anjum]

beautifully sung by NFAK, I might add.

[Schiller]

best o sharaab was by aziz mian, nothing like that

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by Team Slayer Originally Posted by , bila wajah? bhootni kay, pahlay bacchi haath say nikalnay di phir kahtay ho yeh kis ka shair hai or woh kis ka dair ki paidaaish kahin kay zakhmoN pay namak mat chirko, boss!

koi baat nahi ts..Commay say haroz larkiya haath say guzar jathi hain..

[robosapien]

mir's mastery was to write ghazals with shorter verses. in urdu they call it "chooti beher" and i think it's not easy to do so. it's like painting with few strokes(it shows the artistic capability of a person to express like that). in contemporary urdu ghazal, nasir kazmi's shairi is a good example of it.

[robosapien]

mir is considered more as a hindustani or subcontenental poet. ghalib was very much influenced by some persian poets. according to different critics he was influenced by "urfi" and they critics consider urfi as better than ghalib(certainly not my opinion as i never read urfi)

[Schiller]

nasir was one hell of a mir protege, dare i say waisay B.

waisay i am not sure if i completely agree with mir's rep for choti beher. though it has to be said he did it far more than his contemporaries.

[robosapien]

i think choti beher was his speciality. just look at this:
dekh to dil ke jaan se uttha he
yeh dhuan sa kahan se uthta he

it's so beautiful especially the second line.

[Schiller]

yar for choti beher, nasir was it, i think that was more so his domain than even mir who probably one of the earlier exponents.

[octavian]

mir was definitly on oar with ghalib.

but i wudn't rate him higher either.