Bob Woolmer names Abdul Razzaq's possible successor/replacements

[hasanahmad]

yasir arafat and Jansher Khan

REPLY BY: BOB, (04 Aug 2005, 00h38:54)
Hi mzna,
Asher Zaidi played well in Namibia and Zimbabwe
I am a fan of Afridi and hope he would take on that role full time.
There are other players Yasir Arafat and janisher Khan are two
Many thanks for your support
Bob

Question was which other 2 players are good enough to replace Abdul Razzaq

[Bitman]

Edited

[Abdul Qadir 236]

as far as i can see the candidates would be:

yasir arafat
jannisar khan
kamran sajid
bilal asad
arsalan mir so amjad tells me
faisal irfan
tkhan needs regular bank cricket for contention.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Yasir Arafat isnt doing too well for Scotland iirc

[Amir]

I think Arafat is a good bowler, but to be honest his batting skill worries me. I have not seen him make any big scores in english county, and I do not regard him as a all rounder personally. I see him more as a bowler and to fill Razzaq's spot you need to be able to bat because of Razzaq's position in our team is so crucial. Last thing we need is another specialist bowler with such a weak batting line up.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

yes Pakistan need someone who can bat at 6 and bowl 10 overs tightly.
Bilal Asad is certainly capable of that.
Arafat's FC record would suggest he is more of a bowler.

[Nauman]

Originally Posted by AmitMishra bowls wrongun as far as i can see the candidates would be: yasir arafat jannisar khan kamran sajid bilal asad arsalan mir so amjad tells me faisal irfan tkhan needs regular bank cricket for contention.

Bilal Asad is ordinary to say the least, Kamran Sajid is a good batsman but at the end of the day he is just a batsman who can bowl a bit of medium fast (Gangully style). Havent heard much about Arsalan Mir or Faisal Irfan.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

whether they are any good or not is not my point, these are the guys whom I feel would be considered.
Just shows u how key a player Razzaq is in odis - Pakistan cant afford him to get injured for WC 07 and should handle him carefully.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

may I also point out - Shoaib Malik was picked as he was the best young off spinner in Pakistan at the time and could bat a bit - look how he developed.

and hey Pakistan's problems are nothing in this area compared to India!!!

also worth saying i feel Lanka seem to be findng a couple - Loku2 seems very impressive.

[Amir]

What about Qaisar Abbas? He can bowl a bit of off spin and not that bad with the bat.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

isnt a good enough batsman to me.
i also think Pakistan want a seaming all rounder.
the next spinning all rounder should be Tahir Khan.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by AmitMishra bowls wrongun isnt a good enough batsman to me. i also think Pakistan want a seaming all rounder. the next spinning all rounder should be Tahir Khan.

I reckon it will be Mansoor or Tariq

[Nauman]

Mansoor is the only one I can see becomming big from the lot of current spinners we have. Tariq Mahmood was good but he is not the same without the chuck so right now I dont think he will make it to national team though I might review my statement after the domestic season starting this September.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Amir What about Qaisar Abbas? He can bowl a bit of off spin and not that bad with the bat.

Not that good either.

[Amjid Javed]

razzaq needs to only be replaced in test by either a specalist batsmen or bowler. hes a joke test player.

in odis hes one of are best players and "doesnt" need replacing!

[arsal_pakfan]

replacement for Razzaq ...specially when he took two 4 wickets hauls in last three ODIs?

u guys r insane talking abt replacement for our premium all rounder and highest wicket taker playing for Pakistan rite now!....the world rate him as one of the most dangerous player in ODIs and our own Pak people wants him to get replaced by some b-grade domestic players!

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by arsal_pakfan replacement for Razzaq ...specially when he took two 4 wickets hauls in last three ODIs? u guys r insane talking abt replacement for our premium all rounder and highest wicket taker playing for Pakistan rite now!....the world rate him as one of the most dangerous player in ODIs and our own Pak people wants him to get replaced by some b-grade domestic players!

in odis he shud stay... in tests he shud be kicked out

[Asif khan]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed in odis he shud stay... in tests he shud be kicked out

Agree with you there, hes not test standard imo!

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Asif khan Agree with you there, hes not test standard imo!

so do tell me what criteria u guys have of judging a player if he is test match standard?
if its about single handidly winning the test , then he most surely showed his prowess in the first test of the india pak series.

if its about his bowling , then dont forget the second test match in karachi, when both sami and shoaib were absent , where razzaq got a fifer just before the india series.

if its about the reserves strength, then who do u have who merits a place , dont be giving me averages or domestic performances. coz if hick could translate every century he has in the domestic league ,into the internal circuit, he would be bowing out as a legand , but is he now ?

the truth is razzaq is what gives pakistan the edge in these times. allrounders are a prized commodity , no one recognised the weight of waqar and wasim when they were around , its high time we recognise the all round strength of razzaq

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy so do tell me what criteria u guys have of judging a player if he is test match standard? if its about single handidly winning the test , then he most surely showed his prowess in the first test of the india pak series. if its about his bowling , then dont forget the second test match in karachi, when both sami and shoaib were absent , where razzaq got a fifer just before the india series. if its about the reserves strength, then who do u have who merits a place , dont be giving me averages or domestic performances. coz if hick could translate every century he has in the domestic league ,into the internal circuit, he would be bowing out as a legand , but is he now ? the truth is razzaq is what gives pakistan the edge in these times. allrounders are a prized commodity , no one recognised the weight of waqar and wasim when they were around , its high time we recognise the all round strength of razzaq

razzaq has failed in australia n india.Average of 22 with the bat and 38 with the ball is not funny.it is shameful.


first test was won by akmal who even had to guide razzaq who is the senior in the first place.razzaq is not an allrounder in test cricket.to me flintoff is an allrounder

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by elantedronai razzaq has failed in australia n india.Average of 22 with the bat and 38 with the ball is not funny.it is shameful. first test was won by akmal who even had to guide razzaq who is the senior in the first place.razzaq is not an allrounder in test cricket.to me flintoff is an allrounder

Not everyone can perform as well as Flintoff is doing right now...even he will slow down at some point soon!

If we have a better all rounder then let the pretender stand up and raise his hand for selection

Still I didn't see you or others criticize Razzaq when he took those 5 wickets against Lanka or when he saved the test against Indian, along with Akmal

This in no way is a support for Razzaq's continued inclusion in tests but untill we have a better replacement, sadly Razzaq will have to do for now!

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy so do tell me what criteria u guys have of judging a player if he is test match standard? if its about single handidly winning the test , then he most surely showed his prowess in the first test of the india pak series. if its about his bowling , then dont forget the second test match in karachi, when both sami and shoaib were absent , where razzaq got a fifer just before the india series. if its about the reserves strength, then who do u have who merits a place , dont be giving me averages or domestic performances. coz if hick could translate every century he has in the domestic league ,into the internal circuit, he would be bowing out as a legand , but is he now ? the truth is razzaq is what gives pakistan the edge in these times. allrounders are a prized commodity , no one recognised the weight of waqar and wasim when they were around , its high time we recognise the all round strength of razzaq

my ribs! please! what a joke!

razzaq has been averaging 22 with bat and 38 with ball over last 18 months or so... that pathetic record itself says it all.

oh wait... aslong as we get 1 good knock in 12 or one good bowling inns in 10 etc he shud remain in side...

sadly pakistan dont pick players on merit and thats why why have such a ***** team... stop living in lalaland and wake up! (sorry if post is harsh) The continual ignorance at an obvious lame situation is comical to say least.

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Monsee Not everyone can perform as well as Flintoff is doing right now...even he will slow down at some point soon! If we have a better all rounder then let the pretender stand up and raise his hand for selection Still I didn't see you or others criticize Razzaq when he took those 5 wickets against Lanka or when he saved the test against Indian, along with Akmal This in no way is a support for Razzaq's continued inclusion in tests but untill we have a better replacement, sadly Razzaq will have to do for now!

u still don't get it do u?Is there a law of universe that states we have to pick a allrounders in test cricket.If razzaq is not good let a specialist batsman or bowler take his place.At least the team is strengthened instead we are playing with 9 guys instead of 11.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by elantedronai u still don't get it do u?Is there a law of universe that states we have to pick a allrounders in test cricket.If razzaq is not good let a specialist batsman or bowler take his place.At least the team is strengthened instead we are playing with 9 guys instead of 11.

POTW winner....

seems becaase some teams have world class all rounders... other teams have to play all rounders aswell...!

razzaq isnt good enuf as either as a batsmen or a bowler alone let alone as a so called all-rounder...!

oh well some fans on here thing hes the 2nd coming off imran khan

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by elantedronai u still don't get it do u?Is there a law of universe that states we have to pick a allrounders in test cricket.If razzaq is not good let a specialist batsman or bowler take his place.At least the team is strengthened instead we are playing with 9 guys instead of 11.

And you guys do get it when you ask for "Mr. Actor's inclusion" in the team, even if he is half fit...who do you think will take over his load when we don't have a 5th bowler, and Mr Me Great decides to go off the field

Off course [sarcasm]With our batting doing so great lately[sarcasm], we can afford to play 5 batsmen and 5 bowleres, right

BTW, who says you don't need all rounders in tests...a great team like Australia even wishes they had a genuine all rounder

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Monsee And you guys do get it when you ask for "Mr. Actor's inclusion" in the team, even if he is half fit...who do you think will take over his load when we don't have a 5th bowler, and Mr Me Great decides to go off the field Off course [sarcasm]With our batting doing so great lately[sarcasm], we can afford to play 5 batsmen and 5 bowleres, right BTW, who says you don't need all rounders in tests...a great team like Australia even wishes they had a genuine all rounder

australia have a genuine all rounder - adam gilchrist.

Sadly we have A razzaq...!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by elantedronai u still don't get it do u?Is there a law of universe that states we have to pick a allrounders in test cricket.If razzaq is not good let a specialist batsman or bowler take his place.At least the team is strengthened instead we are playing with 9 guys instead of 11.

We are already struggling to get specialst openers and even specialist bowlers in the First X1 and you are talking about other specialist

[Asif khan]

Originally Posted by elantedronai u still don't get it do u?Is there a law of universe that states we have to pick a allrounders in test cricket.If razzaq is not good let a specialist batsman or bowler take his place.At least the team is strengthened instead we are playing with 9 guys instead of 11.

Exactly what i mean, its almost as if in Pakistan we have to play an allrounder just for the sake of it. Razzaqs role should be given to Afridi as it is as Razzaq cant dominate a bowling attack in test cricket coz of his technique and is seriously found wanting with the ball. He is purely a 1day cricketer now!

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed We are already struggling to get specialst openers and even specialist bowlers in the First X1 and you are talking about other specialist

so whats the answer then? make-shift openers and all rounders?

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Monsee BTW, who says you don't need all rounders in tests...a great team like Australia even wishes they had a genuine all rounder

australia no1 all these years with 6 super batsmen and 4 good bowlers are crying for an allrounder.Thank u for making me my day.I have had 2 good laughs in a space of a minute.

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed We are already struggling to get specialst openers and even specialist bowlers in the First X1 and you are talking about other specialist

kick razzaq out and u have guys like kamal in the teamBowleing wise we have nazir,shabbir(if remodeled),rana as third seamer as in sussex.virtually any pf these guys are better than razzaq

[Shayan_Sohail]

Originally Posted by elantedronai australia no1 all these years with 6 super batsmen and 4 good bowlers are crying for an allrounder.Thank u for making me my day.I have had 2 good laughs in a space of a minute.

Why do you think Ponting said that the only player from England that can make the Aussie team is Flintoff?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed so whats the answer then? make-shift openers and all rounders?

Beats me BUT i know if we HAD ready replacements then they would be in the squad atleast but thats not the case!

Dropping Razzaq when there is no alternative is not right

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Beats me BUT i know if we HAD ready replacements then they would be in the squad atleast but thats not the case! Dropping Razzaq when there is no alternative is not right

why does razzaq have to be in the team?

supposidly he lengthens tha batting and also acts as a bowler who can contain.

someone shud tell the thickos that best way to "contain" a team is to take wickets.... sadly the game plans of the mid 1990s dont work now...

oh well maybe after a few more test series defeats the PCB Will see the errors of their ways...!

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Shayan_Sohail Why do you think Ponting said that the only player from England that can make the Aussie team is Flintoff?

oh really?comparing flintoff to razzaq now
this too much.!


besides remember the saying if it ain't broken don't fix it.symonds can't even get into the test squad.the aussie winning formula has worked all these years.why bother fixing it?

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Beats me BUT i know if we HAD ready replacements then they would be in the squad atleast but thats not the case! Dropping Razzaq when there is no alternative is not right

there r alternatives.but ur in love with razzaq too much to even consider it.After a replacement can't be worse than him

[Shayan_Sohail]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed why does razzaq have to be in the team? supposidly he lengthens tha batting and also acts as a bowler who can contain.

That is exactly what i see wrong with playing Razzaq in tests, He is more of a "contain" bowler than a wicket taker and as a bowler at test level you have to be able to take wickets.

What i have noticed of Razzaq as a batsman is that he has two modes one all out hitting and one just defending, doesn't seem to be a batsman who can do a bit of both at the same time and so far in test matches i have only seen the defending part of Razzaq which most of the time has hurt the team rather than benefiting it(except for that one occasion in mohali where his defending paid off as Akmal was making runs on the other end).

[Shayan_Sohail]

Originally Posted by elantedronai oh really?comparing flintoff to razzaq now this too much.!

No not comparing razzaq to flintoff at all. Just responding to the comment you made about Aussies not needing an all rounder.

[Amjid Javed]

razzaq inns for mohali will sadly keep him in pakistans test side for next 5/6 years..!
Pakistan team even under an englishmen is still picked on friendship rather than performance..!

i remember outsiders saying the chopping and changing in team is a pakistani disease...!

Seems pakistan are more intrested in having good team spirit and a crappy team.

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Shayan_Sohail No not comparing razzaq to flintoff at all. Just responding to the comment you made about Aussies not needing an all rounder.

why need an allrounder when australia has been no 1 all these years?6 batsmen + 4 bowlers did them well.symonds....where is he?

besides it is a compliment to say this fellow can walk into our team etc

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed razzaq inns for mohali will sadly keep him in pakistans test side for next 5/6 years..! Pakistan team even under an englishmen is still picked on friendship rather than performance..! i remember outsiders saying the chopping and changing in team is a pakistani disease...! Seems pakistan are more intrested in having good team spirit and a crappy team.

look at lehman.did'nt do well and he was kicked out.none of that team spirit BS

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by elantedronai look at lehman.did'nt do well and he was kicked out.none of that team spirit BS

Aussies have got rid of m waugh, m bevan, lehmann etc in ruthless fashion b4..
expect likes of hayden, gillespie, kaspo to go same way in next 6/9 months aswell...

[Shayan_Sohail]

Originally Posted by elantedronai why need an allrounder when australia has been no 1 all these years?6 batsmen + 4 bowlers did them well.symonds....where is he? besides it is a compliment to say this fellow can walk into our team etc

yeah their theory works because two out of the four bowlers are mcgrath and warne and their wicket keeper Gilchrist is one of their best bat at 7 and has saved the team countless times. All three are on the verge of retiring, This 6 batsmen + 4 bowlers theory is not going to work for Aus when these three retire. They will need an allrounder unless they can find similar replacements of Mcgrath, Warne and Gilchrist, which is very unlikely.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by elantedronai there r alternatives.but ur in love with razzaq too much to even consider it.After a replacement can't be worse than him

Im in love with him??? DAMN i tried keeping it a secret

Seriously i cudnt care less who is in the team (well YK has to be there) aslong as they perform!

Instead of criticising Razzaq which is something you seem pretty keen on why dont you suggest to me whom you would play instead?
Its a simple question which requires a simple answer

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Im in love with him??? DAMN i tried keeping it a secret Seriously i cudnt care less who is in the team (well YK has to be there) aslong as they perform! Instead of criticising Razzaq which is something you seem pretty keen on why dont you suggest to me whom you would play instead? Its a simple question which requires a simple answer

i would play 6 batsmen, 1 keeper and 4 bowlers.

[Shayan_Sohail]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Instead of criticising Razzaq which is something you seem pretty keen on why dont you suggest to me whom you would play instead? Its a simple question which requires a simple answer

In ODIs there is no need at all to replace him.

In tests Pakistan does not need to play more than one allrounder and to me the allrounder spot should go to Afridi based on his recent performances.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed i would play 6 batsmen, 1 keeper and 4 bowlers.

Errr not what i asked!
I do agree with you on that tho

What i asked was whom would you play instead?
actually i didnt even ask you AJ it was the guy who was having a go at Razzaq

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Errr not what i asked! I do agree with you on that tho What i asked was whom would you play instead? actually i didnt even ask you AJ it was the guy who was having a go at Razzaq

i was having a go at razzaq aswell. who wud i replace razzaq with either umar gul or shahid nazir. id rather have a better bowler who cant really bat then sum1 who cant do either job... that being razzaq.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed i was having a go at razzaq aswell. who wud i replace razzaq with either umar gul or shahid nazir. id rather have a better bowler who cant really bat then sum1 who cant do either job... that being razzaq.

so name the 11 you would play please?

[Shayan_Sohail]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed i would play 6 batsmen, 1 keeper and 4 bowlers.

To play with 6 batsmen + 1 keeper + 4 bowlers

First of all the keeper should be a good batsman, Kamran is a decent batsman but he is pretty inconcistent with his performances so far.

Than all 4 bowlers are suppose to be fit enough to bowl long spells and all of them should be guaranteed wicket takers. Does Pakistan have that, all of Shoaib/Sami/Gul are going to be coming back from Injury/Fitness problem and if we replace one of them with a new player what is the guarantee that he is going to perform. We need a fifth bowler cushion for the england series atleast.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed so name the 11 you would play please?

farhat, butt, y khan, inzi, yoyo, kamal, kamal

akmal

s nazir, u gul, kaneria & akthar (if fit)

[Fessal]

Good choice amjid. I agree and I hope that chukka shabbir isnt slected. Anyway i didnt get the cv as u send me your own by mistake and not mine.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed farhat, butt, y khan, inzi, yoyo, kamal, kamal akmal s nazir, u gul, kaneria & akthar (if fit)

S Nazir = There is nothing to show the guy is better than Razzaq, he has played for Pakistan before and he has been okay, nothing special in TEST cricket iirc

U Gul = the guy has been injured for over a year

Akhtar = we all know about his fitness problems


AJ i would have no problems giving the above a try BUT there are issues about them i.e injuries, fitness

PPL seem to have a problem with Razzaq playing in Australia and India BUT Gul was not fit for the tours NOR was Akhtar (aprt from the early part of Aus) so you can understand why Razzaq was selected!

If Razzaq is selected against england despite Akhtar, Gul and even Sami being fit then i will join you in your protest against the selection of Razzaq BUT if Akhtar is still unfit and Gul breaks down then i will not complain about Razzaq being selected!

[Hashim]

This is a shame to see talk of razzaq's replacement. He is a excellent player and still way to young to talk of his replacement, its not like he is 33 or something he is young (25)!

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Hashim This is a shame to see talk of razzaq's replacement. He is a excellent player and still way to young to talk of his replacement, its not like he is 33 or something he is young (25)!

excellent player average 22 bat n ball 39 .And he is only 25 or is he....

[Noddy]

Bilal wud struggle to bowl 10 overs in ODI cricket am afraid.
Tahir Khan is def not a contender for an allrounders slot at this moment in time.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by elantedronai why need an allrounder when australia has been no 1 all these years?6 batsmen + 4 bowlers did them well.symonds....where is he? besides it is a compliment to say this fellow can walk into our team etc

First of all you started comparing Flintoff to Razzaq, nobody did...and you started laughing at yourself cause no one else mentioned Razzaq as equal to Flintoff. Razzaq is just the best we have so far!

Now you want Pakistan to follow the lead of Aussies...do you really think we have McGrath, Warne, Lee, and Gillepie in the team...and also is our batting and fielding anywhere near the Aussies!

You were quick to make assumptions and laugh and all but you yourself don't know your elbow from.....

I guess next you will start preaching us to kick Danish out and get a clone of Giles...cause england just beat the Aussies. If it is working for England then Pakistan must follow that plan too

[zaf1986]

I guess next you will start preaching us to kick Danish out and get a clone of Giles...cause england just beat the Aussies. If it is working for England then Pakistan must follow that plan too __________________

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by zaf1986 Quote: I guess next you will start preaching us to kick Danish out and get a clone of Giles...cause england just beat the Aussies. If it is working for England then Pakistan must follow that plan too __________________

And next he might want us to start playing 7 batsmen cause it works for India...or is that really the case for India

I guess even he can't be that foolish
.

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Monsee First of all you started comparing Flintoff to Razzaq, nobody did...and you started laughing at yourself cause no one else mentioned Razzaq as equal to Flintoff. Razzaq is just the best we have so far! Now you want Pakistan to follow the lead of Aussies...do you really think we have McGrath, Warne, Lee, and Gillepie in the team...and also is our batting and fielding anywhere near the Aussies! You were quick to make assumptions and laugh and all but you yourself don't know your elbow from..... I guess next you will start preaching us to kick Danish out and get a clone of Giles...cause england just beat the Aussies. If it is working for England then Pakistan must follow that plan too

first of all don't throw insults.coz if u do i will give it back with interest.

secondly u brought a stupid assumption that australia needs an allrounder.They don't need one.They have beaten everyone.so wake up to that fact

secondly for some innane inexplicable reason u n some fellows here have this urge to field an allrounder in the test side even if he is pathetic.if razzaq is the best we have then no wonder we r seventh.the thing is we play with 9 fellows in the team instead of 11.if razzaq was an aussie or a pom he would have been kicked out 18 months ago n his place given to someone else.

giles may be worse than kaneria but his team can beat pakistan wearing blind folds.hurts does'nt it?we beat this team for fun in the 90s.That's the value of progress and solidity.

May be u like the status quo.u like the team as it is.may be u like mediocrity.i don't.i could'nt care less of team spirit n drawn test series against west indies.i could'nt care less if the team performs in some useless masala odis.if u r happy with that....good luck to u then.over n out

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by elantedronai first of all don't throw insults.coz if u do i will give it back with interest. Where did I throw any insult in the post that you quoted Show it or shut up about it secondly u brought a stupid assumption that australia needs an allrounder.They don't need one.They have beaten everyone.so wake up to that fact No one brought any assumption that Aussies need an all rounder...their skipper and coach have said it couple of time before and recently that a genuine all rounder will balance their team out secondly for some innane inexplicable reason u n some fellows here have this urge to field an allrounder in the test side even if he is pathetic.if razzaq is the best we have then no wonder we r seventh.the thing is we play with 9 fellows in the team instead of 11.if razzaq was an aussie or a pom he would have been kicked out 18 months ago n his place given to someone else. No one has the urge to field Razaq or anyone else...you guys are the one who want to shove a has been, unfit, spent up, drugged up wanna be, down our throat...when he will get unfit in a game, I will see your other three bowlkers how they will cope with the pressure I guess you must have read what his county people think of him by now giles may be worse than kaneria but his team can beat pakistan wearing blind folds.hurts does'nt it?we beat this team for fun in the 90s.That's the value of progress and solidity. What does that have to do with our discussion...sawaal ganduum, jawaab channa May be u like the status quo.u like the team as it is.may be u like mediocrity.i don't.i could'nt care less of team spirit n drawn test series against west indies.i could'nt care less if the team performs in some useless masala odis.if u r happy with that....good luck to u then.over n out No one likes or love mediocrity...when you have 4-5 fast bowlers who are unfit, what can you do...rent one from Aussies or from England. You have to play someone who has some experience of the Int'l cricket You guys conveniently keep forgetting that against WI we had no Inzi (more than half of our batting right there), no Shoaib, no Sami, no Malik, No Youhanna (there goes another 30% of our batting) Keep banging the drum...oh we didin't beat WI. Reality is for all too see but you I guess

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[zaf1986]

.rent one from Aussies or from England.

Not a bad idea

[Bitman]

Yeah!

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Hitman Yeah!

Oye lambaay hansta hi rahaay ga...meri shayiri check ker Shoaib thread mein

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by zaf1986 rent one from Aussies or from England. Not a bad idea

But we must ensure the rental is paid for the whole Match cause otherwsie we have a world class one innings Pak bowler too

[Bitman]

Acha.

Monsee, PP par maray say bhai aik lamba hai. Raz is 6'7" !!!!!!

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Monsee But we must ensure the rental is paid for the whole Match cause otherwsie we have a world class one innings Pak bowler too

Arey Monsee bhai, bas bhi karo, itna hassaogey to bas hum has has key marjaiyen gey

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by zaf1986 Arey Monsee bhai, bas bhi karo, itna hassaogey to bas hum has has key marjaiyen gey

Yaar aaj moka hai...Oxy ka mood acha hai aur woh haraay waala Badmaash duur duur tak nazar nahin aa raha

Kabhi kabhi to mein form mein aata huun, waisaay aaj kal Shoaib bohat material provide ker raha hai...soch raha hun aik "Thank You" card usaay daal hi duun jaldi saay

[Somali Pirate]

Lets narrow this down.insults..u said ' you yourself don't know your elbow from.....'
so subtle yet so touching.

now give me a link where aussie skipper or coach said'mama we need an allrounder quick or we are going to be beaten'

as for fielding razzaq yes he is a has been.My grand ma can bat n bowl better than him.He has a worthless average with bat n ball n he calls himself an allrounder.Lol

besides u said earlier razzaq is the best we have.so to me ur justifying his place based upon no one is good enough who can take his place.which is laughable.

Since u bought giles into the equation comparing him to kaneria i followed up by comparing england n pakistan.


btw the WI beat us because we were too confident.We shouild have finished them inzi or no inzi.

And finally please don't compare razzaq n shoiab.Shoiab is a first name chosen by icc super series whereas razzaq can only hit big shots against thezimbos and take cheap wi wickets.

[Bitman]

Originally Posted by elantedronai Lets narrow this down.insults..u said ' you yourself don't know your elbow from.....' so subtle yet so touching. now give me a link where aussie skipper or coach said'mama we need an allrounder quick or we are going to be beaten' as for fielding razzaq yes he is a has been.My grand ma can bat n bowl better than him.He has a worthless average with bat n ball n he calls himself an allrounder.Lol besides u said earlier razzaq is the best we have.so to me ur justifying his place based upon no one is good enough who can take his place.which is laughable. Since u bought giles into the equation comparing him to kaneria i followed up by comparing england n pakistan. btw the WI beat us because we were too confident.We shouild have finished them inzi or no inzi. And finally please don't compare razzaq n shoiab.Shoiab is a first name chosen by icc super series whereas razzaq can only hit big shots against thezimbos and take cheap wi wickets.

Too bad the genes weren't passed on!

[z10]

Originally Posted by elantedronai Lets narrow this down.insults..u said ' you yourself don't know your elbow from.....' so subtle yet so touching. now give me a link where aussie skipper or coach said'mama we need an allrounder quick or we are going to be beaten' as for fielding razzaq yes he is a has been.My grand ma can bat n bowl better than him.He has a worthless average with bat n ball n he calls himself an allrounder.Lol besides u said earlier razzaq is the best we have.so to me ur justifying his place based upon no one is good enough who can take his place.which is laughable. Since u bought giles into the equation comparing him to kaneria i followed up by comparing england n pakistan. btw the WI beat us because we were too confident.We shouild have finished them inzi or no inzi. And finally please don't compare razzaq n shoiab.Shoiab is a first name chosen by icc super series whereas razzaq can only hit big shots against thezimbos and take cheap wi wickets.

are you by any chance related to geoffrey boycott?

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by Hitman Too bad the genes weren't passed on!

yeah too bad.But being a medical student ain't so bad.Either way i get to make a living in a rich place like england.alhamdulillah

[Bitman]

Originally Posted by elantedronai yeah too bad.But being a medical student ain't so bad.Either way i get to make a living in a rich place like england.alhamdulillah

Good for you, good for you!

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by z10 are you by any chance related to geoffrey boycott?

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by elantedronai now give me a link where aussie skipper or coach said 'mama we need an allrounder quick or we are going to be beaten' You are twisting the words...show me where I said "Ponting said we are gonna loose"...he merely stated that having a world class all rounder helps and they some times wish for one Why do you think they have tried to promote that Blond No Good All Rounder, I forgot his name...oh yeah Shane Watson. Rings a bell as for fielding razzaq yes he is a has been.My grand ma can bat n bowl better than him.He has a worthless average with bat n ball n he calls himself an allrounder.Lol I didn't see you complain when we beat Lanka due to his 5 wickets or when he saved the test against India or played his part in winning us the last test besides u said earlier razzaq is the best we have.so to me ur justifying his place based upon no one is good enough who can take his place.which is laughable. I said so far...show me one better. Don't say Afridi, cause he is barely any better, outside Asia or against good teams. He is improving but not there yet! Since u bought giles into the equation comparing him to kaneria i followed up by comparing england n pakistan. That comment was made cause you said we should follow the lead of Aussies by playing same kind of team btw the WI beat us because we were too confident.We shouild have finished them inzi or no inzi. Are you kidding me...show me one game where we won against anyone, without Inzi in the last few years. Actually show me one where Inzi didn't score at least a fifty and we still won And finally please don't compare razzaq n shoiab.Shoiab is a first name chosen by icc super series whereas razzaq can only hit big shots against thezimbos and take cheap wi wickets. Yeah, they are not putting up with him for long...ask his county supporters and mates, "How lucky and special they are feeling right now for having him over there"

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[Somali Pirate]

give me a link where ponting said we need an allrounder?show it to me.secondly if they wanted one so badly symonds or watson would be drafted in.They r not good enough so they r off.Unlike pakistan who keep picking based on loyalties.

now regarding razzaq performing once every 50 matches is pitiful.if u r not consistent u r not fit to be in the team as said once by imran khan.he dropped abdul qadir for tauseef n tauseef won that test for us in india.none of that bhai bhai stuff from imran to qadir

plenty of better players than razzaq.asim for one.farhat,taufeeq,nazir.the bowlers nazir,gul,shabbir.One extra batsmen or bowler is better than one who can't do neither.

and yes we should follow the logic of the aussies.play the best team not allrounders for the sake of it.btw there r games we won without inzi getting a fifty.2002 brisbane for one.


And i said do not compare shoiab n razzaq in terms of ability.Shoiab can walk into any team razzaq can't walk into bangers team

[z10]

Originally Posted by elantedronai give me a link where ponting said we need an allrounder?show it to me.secondly if they wanted one so badly symonds or watson would be drafted in.They r not good enough so they r off.Unlike pakistan who keep picking based on loyalties. now regarding razzaq performing once every 50 matches is pitiful.if u r not consistent u r not fit to be in the team as said once by imran khan.he dropped abdul qadir for tauseef n tauseef won that test for us in india.none of that bhai bhai stuff from imran to qadir plenty of better players than razzaq.asim for one.farhat,taufeeq,nazir.the bowlers nazir,gul,shabbir.One extra batsmen or bowler is better than one who can't do neither. and yes we should follow the logic of the aussies.play the best team not allrounders for the sake of it.btw there r games we won without inzi getting a fifty.2002 brisbane for one. And i said do not compare shoiab n razzaq in terms of ability.Shoiab can walk into any team razzaq can't walk into bangers team

haha

u r asking for it now

but seriously, he cant on current form

[Somali Pirate]

Originally Posted by z10 haha u r asking for it now but seriously, he cant on current form

he took 15 wickets in 4 games when he is not even at full throttle.form is temporary and class is permanent.The ICc has picked him for that reason alone

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by elantedronai give me a link where ponting said we need an allrounder?show it to me. I will, if you would just stop typing and typing and typing secondly if they wanted one so badly symonds or watson would be drafted in.They r not good enough so they r off.Unlike pakistan who keep picking based on loyalties. They did give them chances and yeah they dropped them cause they didn't have 4-5 bowlers injured at the same time, unlike Pak! now regarding razzaq performing once every 50 matches is pitiful.if u r not consistent u r not fit to be in the team as said once by imran khan. Again, where were you when Razzaq helped us in winning against Lanka, saved a game against India, helped win against India and WI...I didn't hear you crying out loud "Kick him out" plenty of better players than razzaq.asim for one.farhat,taufeeq,nazir.the bowlers nazir,gul,shabbir.One extra batsmen or bowler is better than one who can't do neither. One Extra batmsman means if your world class and beloved Mr. jet man breaks down...just like Murphy's law "Everything that can go wrong, will go wrong".....We would be looking at a 3 man bowling attack. Last time I checked McGratrh, Freedie, Harmison, Bond etc. were not in our team One extra bowler will definitely help us in the bowling department (Especially if Shoaib breaks down...actually when he breaks down) but who will score especially when we are usually down 10-2 on a regular basis btw there r games we won without inzi getting a fifty.2002 brisbane for one. Wow, after doing half hour of searches, you came up with a ODI win...you are some arguer ...we were primarily talking Tests Only...what does that ODI win has to do with anything Pakistan has won many more ODI's without Inzi scoring a 50...why that one only And i said do not compare shoiab n razzaq in terms of ability.Shoiab can walk into any team razzaq can't walk into bangers team Again what does that have to do with the argument I am sure Bangers or Shangers or whatever ers those guys are...if they have half a brain...they will think 10 times before picking Shoaib up...I am sure Shoaib's current county will write him a lovely letter of recomendation

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[Bitman]

Monsee, why are you firing blanks?