*****AMAZING!!!: Zahid Likely broke 100mph***** Young Waqar to be measured next.....

Read Lahori's thread here

This was done by calculating from the videos using video editing programs that have spanned the videos to milliseconds

Btw the calculation read 164kph

wow if it is true...how come noone ever tried to do this before and figure out, old bowler's speed officially??

There's alot of inaccuracies. How accurately are you converting yards into km? The distance will be different for each bowler, as some players use the crease better. Counting frames I'm assuming is not as accurate.

Even the slightest differences can effect the overall result, when dealing in decimals.

(i posted this in Lahori's thread)


AMAZING!!!! ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!

Zahid's yorker video is quite ideal - the frame begins just as he's releasing it and ends [/i]just[/i] as the ball hits the 20yard crease (the batsman's playing back).

Here are the results:

Ball hits 20 yard crease at 3.300 seconds (worst case 3.333 seconds, when the ball is behind the bat). Ball is released at exactly 2.900 seconds

3.300 (worst case 3.333) -2.900 = 0.400 (worst case = 0.433)

20 yards = 0.01828 KM

therefore the ball is travelling at 0.01828km / 0.400s = 0.0457 km/s
x60 = 2.742 km/minute
x60 = 164.52 km/h = 102.23 mph (worst case = 151.98kph = 94.44mph)



And this was on Zahid's debut when he was 19!!!!! Conclusion?

Mohammad Zahid was a demon! Fastest ever? Possibly!







Going to do Waqar next. Lahori bro - do you have any videos to work with?

apologies, the first post was inaccurate - we're not counting the video frames, but using the timing from the video editing programs - accurate to milliseconds

You've convinced me

Very true. He might have revolutionised speed measurement on telly. We can now do the same for the old legends who were videod.

yep, and while this obviously isn't incredibly accurate - it gives a good ballpark figure of where the bowler is - i'm getting good correlations with already speed-gun clocked deliveries (see Lahori's thread). The difference between express and fast medium is reflected clearly.

true, thanks bro, will edit

Waqar in 1998 - THAT yorker Vs Lara - 151.98kph (and perhaps a touch faster because the ball was not fully released in the first frame).

Mods i've no problems if you merge this thread into Lahori's - but i really thought this Zahid breakthrough should be flagged!

Waqar Vs New Zealand 1993 - Vicious yorker - 161.49kph!!


i'm having fun with this!!

Wowwwwwwwwwwwwww

That Is Some Great Stuff !!!

yard to km is very very accurate. I use google to get the result to like 5 or 6 decimal places. To the point where even if you add remove a couple of yards it will cause the km/h speed to vary by only 0.2 or 0.3km/h which is hardly significant.

note that we're not counting frames now since we're relying on Virtual Dub millisecond timings and splitting them up.

thanks bro! Zahid 164km/h ? Wow insane! I wish I could have seen some of his matches.

What happened to the guy? He should still be playing if he was that young?

He got stress fractures, had surgery and came back a lesser bowler. I think it was either Ramiz Raja or Aamir Sohail responsible for this as one of them was captain and over bowled him in the heat of Sri Lanka or South Africa.

to cut a long story short he broke his back many times (i used to have an old thread entitled "Muhammad Zahid: Demon" but it seems like the old posts have disappeared)

Just in case anyone's wondering about (albeit crude) calibration, As Merc has suggested i've timed some clocked deliveries - I've done Akhtar's 96.5mph or 155.4kph yorker Vs South Africa and on initial, crude measurement I got 153kph, but when i took considered estimations of when the ball hit between the frame I got 155.94kph!!! Remarkable!

Now that I come to think of it, howcome no one tried this before? Lack of sophisticated video editing tools? Lack of motivation?

I'll be trying this on an Imran Khan match in 1986-87

I think no-one had an ingenious mind like yours, and you do also happen to be a Pakpassioner. We usually look for ways to prove the speed of our bowlers.

A Wasim Akram delivery Vs NZ at Sharjah in 1993 - reversing yorker (Delivery #4 for anyone who has it)

1.167 - 0.738 = 0.429

(0.01828x60x60)/0.429 = 153.40kph!

Because it's not actually that accurate

Razzaq Vs Sri Lanka in 2000 - a particularly fast looking yorker - 139.22kph!

Akhtar YORKING TENDULKAR First ball! - 155.34kph!

It's pretty obvious, with the tools Lahoris has to work with, I still think it's reasonably accurate.

Obviously the different conditions can be taken into consideration e.g the point from where the bowler releases the ball. It would be good to know from what distance the speed gun clocks the speed, so as to make certain the formula.

But with the subtle variations in Television studios, they should have been able to calculate the speeds of the past legends, like Holding, Imran Khan and THOMPSON, the latter claimed to bowl at 100mph.

So if it hasn't been done before, Lahori at the very least has laid the foundations for what I would call a Cricketing Revelation.

i think if 10 different bowlers have 5 different speeds in different matches measured and matched against the actual speed gun. with the results show here. Then depending on how accurate the estimations are overall we can see how close this system is!

Have you tried Malcolm MArshall yet?

BTW this thread is excellent, this is the very reason i asked lahori to double check the measurements and then asked him to check zahid and waqar deliveries to see if they were as fast as we imagined them to be!!

I've been collecting clips of really fast deliveries for ages to try and do this myself some day but i've been too lazy and my maths isnt really upto it even if i did have the time!!

Amazing work guys.

Excellent thread, BTW can someone do calculations for Imran Khan and Michael Holding!

lahori2 can u measure the speed of tht yorker shoaib sent down to poor fleming in the 99 world cup?

Brilliant idea by lahori.

One way to check the accuracy of the method is to calculate the speed of a deliverey whos speed is already known by a modern speed gun and then match it with the result of this calculation. Shoaib's 100 mph deliverey to Nick Knight for example

Ok i'm beginning to use Sony's editor - really good software.

Going to do some requests now starting with Marshall

we've already done this:
Just in case anyone's wondering about (albeit crude) calibration, As Merc has suggested i've timed some clocked deliveries - I've done Akhtar's 96.5mph or 155.4kph yorker Vs South Africa and on initial, crude measurement I got 153kph, but when i took considered estimations of when the ball hit between the frame I got 155.94kph!!! Remarkable!

And again just to reiterate - this is of course, not 100% accurate, but the correlation has been pretty remarkable so far

The one Malcolm Marshall Yorker i have on hard disk - 136.68kph

Imran Khan sometime mid-career - 146.62kph

as with Malcolm Marshall above, I don't think this was their fastest

oooh, you ripper!

Jeff Thomson - 156.69kph! (vs England I think)

DM and Lahori2, How about checking Kapil's killer pace, after he had consumed huge quantities of 'Daal' and was releasing Massive Amounts of various poisenous gasses while delivering that thunderbolt

I have heards stories from people...too bad there were no survivors to confirm the horror that was unleashed that brilliant yet sad day

My Word!!! Michael Holding's fastest i've got of him so far (this is in his heyday) - 160.90kph!!!!

lol ok, i'll see if i have a kapil clip (though i don't think i do) - anyone have a link to one?

Ask Amjit Singh...he is from India. He must have his hero's clips stacked on his PC

Joel Garner - 142.06kph

Good treadh, DM keept them coming !

gr8 stuff DM keep em coming

You could only request Kapil Dev of all the bowlers Monsee

hehe, no comment from me! I'm actually not certain what this smiley means, but it seems appropriate!

Wrong Smiley, unless you wanna pick a fight...it means "You are a looser"

Unless...

is that a cultural thing?! If i did that to someone here, i imagine they'd look bemused!

Ok, my calculations so far:



Mohammad Zahid – 1996 - Bowled Yorker on debut Vs NZ – 164.52kph

Waqar Younis – 1993 – Bowled Yorker Vs NZ – 161.49kph

Waqar Younis – 1998 – THAT Yorker Vs Lara – 151.98kph (but likely faster – the frame cut was a bad one here – ie difficult to know exactly when it would have hit the crease – I erred on the conservative side)

Wasim Akram – 1993 – Yorker Vs NZ – 153.40kph

Shoaib Akhtar – Yorking Tendulkar First ball – 155.34kph

Imran Khan – mid career (vs England?) – 146.62kph

Jeff Thomson – (vs England?) - 156.9kph

Michael Holding – vs England - 160.90kph

Joel Garner – 142.06kph

Abdul Razzaq – 2000 - Vs Sri Lanka – 139.22kph (but as we know he has bowled much faster, approaching 150kph at his fast peak)





I wish i had more Zahid, Holding and Thomson footage - i'm sure they've hade faster recordings! - i haven't finished all their recordings yet though...

btw any requests for specific deliveries? (even if it's a slow one!)

DM do u have any of the Gillespie's footage? the spell that he bowled against the Saffies when Australia toured SA in the mid 90's. the sries that was titled as the unofficial world series. ?

sorry i dont have any of Gillespie's old footage on disk - you're right that would be a good one - i'm certain he exceeded 150kph

how about Allan Donalds deliverey to Sachin when he clean bowled him with that famous in swinger that took his off stump. i thnk it was towards the end of 90's too.

anyone else has it ?

http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/...-28DEC1996.html

this is the link to the scorecard

oh and the problem with measuring non-yorker deliveries is that they lose pace over that last few yards or so after they've bounced (as we've seen from Channel 4's analyst - a good 10-15mph at the end). I'm not sure what degree of difference it'd make over the course of the full 20 yards though...

oh yes, i've got srinath and prasad. will do soon, currently measuring young Donald

brilliant thread this. and it doesnt really surprise me that waqar and wasim, esp waqar hit 150+ no more then one occasion. also doesnt surprise me that zahid can bowl that fast. i remember richie benaud saying in the 97 C&U triangular that zahid is making waqar and wasim look like pedestrians. he was talking abt the pace ofcourse.

but good work by DM and Lahori. I'll see if i have got any interesting clips, although what i have probably everyone else might have as well. BTW u guyz have that shoaib video of clean bowling kallis?

young Donald yorker - vs England - 157.06kph!!

dm could u also do shabeer , on his debuted in the sahara series in canada. before he modified his action for the first time , i think it was 97 98 . in his first match he had 3 bowled to genuine pace

Yep - there was a speedo in the game itself actually and it registered 148.3kph (92.1mph) - i timed it myself from the video and got 151.98 (94.4mph) (well 151.981524249422kph to be exact!) - a difference of 2.3mph, so as you can see there's is a considerable degree of error (but lower than i expected!)

I'd estimate an error of plus/minus about 2-3mph, but i've got less depending on how well and considerately I judge the exact time the ball hits the crease (if the frame itself doesn't pick it up), but i'll need to do more 'calibrated' recordings against already speedgun-timed deliveries for a better sense of the approximate error.

Unfortunately, though i tried like crazy to get it, i dont' have footage of Shabbir's debut - i followed it very closely though and remember how he was beating Lara a lot and bowling with a lot of pace (and with albeit a very suspect action). I reckon he was over 150kph (though i have a memory that says he was actually timed over 150kph during it, but i'm not certain)

WHOA!!

I recorded a spell once in 2000, Akhtar bowled a viciously fast spell, i remember wishing it was clocked but there was no speed gun in the match (speed guns were not really standard yet) - Akhtar was really steaming in - and was winding the ball up a lot - very similar to the 100mph delivery Vs Nick Knight.

Here's the delivery - Akhtar FAST delivery Vs SL

This was the fastest i got in that spell - 162.79kph!

Akhtar may well have broken the 100mph before it was officially recognised

Updated measurements:



Donald yorker - (young Donald) vs England - 157.06kph

Mohammad Zahid – 1996 - Bowled Yorker on debut Vs NZ – 164.52kph

Waqar Younis – 1993 – Bowled Yorker Vs NZ – 161.49kph

Waqar Younis – 1998 – THAT Yorker Vs Lara – 151.98kph (but likely faster – the frame cut was a bad one here – ie difficult to know exactly when it would have hit the crease – I erred on the conservative side)

Wasim Akram – 1993 – Yorker Vs NZ – 153.40kph

Shoaib Akhtar – Yorking Tendulkar First ball – 155.34kph

Shoaib Akhtar - 2000 - Vs SL - 162.79kph

Imran Khan – mid career (vs England?) – 146.62kph

Jeff Thomson – (vs England?) - 156.9kph

Michael Holding – vs England - 160.90kph

Joel Garner – 142.06kph

Abdul Razzaq – 2000 - Vs Sri Lanka – 139.22kph (but as we know he has bowled much faster, approaching 150kph at his fast peak)

ooh i've got an idea - one of Afridi's Test debut wickets (5 wicket haul) Vs Australia - i'll measure this one - Afridi Vs Australia - Test debut - fast reversing delivery to Waugh - lbw - (no speed gun)

Above Afridi Test Debut quicker delivery - not as fast as i hoped, but still fast enough!! - 122.546kph (76.1mph)

Brett Schultz - dubbed the left-handed Donald (had a short career but was one of the few genuine express left armers ever in the world) - 148.6kph

a Srinath delivery from WC 99 - 141.2kph - i'm sure this guy was faster in his youth - will measure some from his younger days next time.

That's it i'm done for the night!

You gotta remember I have this undying love for our neighbors and their hero' s

LOL!

Aadaab Arz hai janaab

DM sorry dude I wasn't able to help you out with analyzing the clips. My day had me totally busy throughout with work and other stuff. Btw is it just me or the rapidshare.de site is down? its not loading for me

Why don't you use www.putfile.com, much easier to handle files

Got Prasad and Kuruvilla speeds from the Chennai match (Saeed Anwar's 194)

Kuruvilla (delivery which got Afridi out caught) : 129.1km/h

Prasad (delivery to Anwar which was slashed on the off for 4) : 128.3km/h

Updated measurements:

Donald yorker - (young Donald) vs England - 157.06kph

Mohammad Zahid – 1996 - Bowled Yorker on debut Vs NZ – 164.52kph

Waqar Younis – 1993 – Bowled Yorker Vs NZ – 161.49kph

Waqar Younis – 1998 – THAT Yorker Vs Lara – 151.98kph (but likely faster – the frame cut was a bad one here – ie difficult to know exactly when it would have hit the crease – I erred on the conservative side)

Wasim Akram – 1993 – Yorker Vs NZ – 153.40kph

Shoaib Akhtar – Yorking Tendulkar First ball – 155.34kph

Shoaib Akhtar - 2000 - Vs SL - 162.79kph

Imran Khan – mid career (vs England?) – 146.62kph

Jeff Thomson – (vs England?) - 156.9kph

Michael Holding – vs England - 160.90kph

Joel Garner – 142.06kph

Abdul Razzaq – 2000 - Vs Sri Lanka – 139.22kph (but as we know he has bowled much faster, approaching 150kph at his fast peak)

Kuruvilla - Match in which Anwar scored 194 (delivery which got Afridi out caught) : 129.1kph

Prasad - Match in which Anwar scored 194 (delivery to Anwar which was slashed on the off for 4) : 128.3kph

edit: nevermind about rapidshare.de

For some weird reason it was not opening up on my home connection. I got it through downloading at another machine and transferred the videos over.

Try Shoaib's Fleming (bowled) wicket in the WC 99. That looked really really quick.