Decreasing terrorist attacks in Pakistan

[shan]

And where are those who wanted Pak army to step back? If one is killed 10 will come up? Doesnt look like it now does it?

[Sufi]

It is decreasing, as well as drone strikes (if you look up the statistics from year to year)

Insha'Allah once PTI comes into power; there will be no more at all.

[freelance_cricketer]

Nazar na laga dena

Stay safe guys. Good luck

[PetroDollars]

The raw terroists have gone back into Afganistan. It was all being operated from tribal areas and Waziristan. Pak Fauj has given great sacrifices there to save the country again.

The solution however lies in getting India out of Afganistan, but for now the border must be protected, military must remain in these areas and the people must be supported.

[saadibaba]

Read Hoodboy's latest article in Express Tribune and you will know why the decrease in these attacks. In short, appeasement of militant groups and leaders.

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars The raw terroists have gone back into Afganistan. It was all being operated from tribal areas and Waziristan. Pak Fauj has given great sacrifices there to save the country again. The solution however lies in getting India out of Afganistan, but for now the border must be protected, military must remain in these areas and the people must be supported.

Do you have a reliable source to back it up or is this coming straight from laal topi school of thought?

[IgnitedMind]

First of all, nice that they are decreasing. Innocent people do not deserve to die...and kudos for who ever is responsible for the decrease.

But am I reading that graph right?, every month of 2012 has more than 100 terrorist attacks ...thats like 4 every single day!!! still alarmingly huge.... Do I miss the news regarding this...or they not huge enough to be reported internationally?

anyway...hopefully the trend continous..and pakistan wil be safe for every one living in it.... good for everybody inside and neighbouring countries...

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars The raw terroists have gone back into Afganistan. It was all being operated from tribal areas and Waziristan. Pak Fauj has given great sacrifices there to save the country again. The solution however lies in getting India out of Afganistan, but for now the border must be protected, military must remain in these areas and the people must be supported.

Very raw indeed.

Petro Dollars, why I do always get the impression after reading your posts that you are sitting somewhere in Aabpara, trolling the blogosphere, trying to promote the Army/ISI agenda. If that is who you are than my advice to you is to be a bit subtle. You are making it way to obvious for everyone.

[LethalSami]

Originally Posted by navroks123 But am I reading that graph right?, every month of 2012 has more than 100 terrorist attacks ...thats like 4 every single day!!! still alarmingly huge.... Do I miss the news regarding this...or they not huge enough to be reported internationally? .

there's some wrong with those #'s.........no way 100+ attacks every month in 2012..

should be in like single digit....

maybe they're counting the drones attacks too??
or maybe clashes between political parties..

whatever it is.....numbers are way off

[Looney]

Many of the attacks do go unnoticed if they happen in the ( troubled ) tribal areas .

[Torpedo]

Catch a few more Raymond Davis' and the terror attacks will be finished for good.

[shan]

Originally Posted by navroks123 First of all, nice that they are decreasing. Innocent people do not deserve to die...and kudos for who ever is responsible for the decrease. But am I reading that graph right?, every month of 2012 has more than 100 terrorist attacks ...thats like 4 every single day!!! still alarmingly huge.... Do I miss the news regarding this...or they not huge enough to be reported internationally? anyway...hopefully the trend continous..and pakistan wil be safe for every one living in it.... good for everybody inside and neighbouring countries...

Huge majority of terrorists attacks now days only happen in FATA region where Pak army is fighting terrorists. Before they were all over Pakistan and numbers of attacks incresed greatly from in 2009-10. They are reported in Pakistani online news sites.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by saadibaba Read Hoodboy's latest article in Express Tribune and you will know why the decrease in these attacks. In short, appeasement of militant groups and leaders.

Since we aren't going to win a war with them then it's probably as good a strategy as any.

[batfirst]

Since ISI put restrictions on American CIA contractors inside Pakistan, the bomb blasts have stopped. This happened when 4 Americans with beards, wearing shalwar kameez and pathan hats got caught in Peshawar! These guys used to go round planting bombs in markets, imam bargah's and mosques to stir up shia-sunni fighting!

[Looney]

We should ask ourselves why had we allowed them in the first place instead of blaming the " bad guys "

[Blitz]

While the decline is great, the very fact its at 100 is absolutely shocking.


Something serious needs to be done by this, or a the next government. The UK has a figure of 1 terrorist attack in forever, and we here think that number is too high.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Blitz While the decline is great, the very fact its at 100 is absolutely shocking. Something serious needs to be done by this, or a the next government. The UK has a figure of 1 terrorist attack in forever, and we here think that number is too high.

The English government showed the way to go when they did a peace deal with the IRA. Now NATO will probably come to some sort of negotiations with the Taliban in order to withdraw from the war some time in the near future.

We will need to do the same. That doesn't mean we appease the fundos, but giving them war is like giving them oxygen. Let progress be it's own weapon. Enlightenment rarely comes at the end of a gun barrel, it has to be organic.

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by saadibaba Very raw indeed. Petro Dollars, why I do always get the impression after reading your posts that you are sitting somewhere in Aabpara, trolling the blogosphere, trying to promote the Army/ISI agenda. If that is who you are than my advice to you is to be a bit subtle. You are making it way to obvious for everyone.

Dont worry, Its the impression all ABCDs have of patriots. But why is it that after reading your posts, you give the impression of a westernized tool trying to promote the agenda of CIA into Pakistan.

[zzebie]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat Since we aren't going to win a war with them then it's probably as good a strategy as any.

For the time being yes.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by saadibaba Very raw indeed. Petro Dollars, why I do always get the impression after reading your posts that you are sitting somewhere in Aabpara, trolling the blogosphere, trying to promote the Army/ISI agenda. If that is who you are than my advice to you is to be a bit subtle. You are making it way to obvious for everyone.

actually many of them are bandits, smugglers, cuthtroats, some tribals, northern alliance and afghans. Some are disgruntled badla types.

In 2007 at the height of the insurgency the afghan Northern alliance was sending cadres of uzbeks and tajiks across the border with the explicit help or compliance of the occupied powers in afghanistan. You see you cant have your cake and eat it. If the PA is accused of incompetence and complicity in the OBL case then the same case can be directed at the powers in afghanistan.

there is no doubt that the Indians have been upto no good but it seems things are calming down now with NATO leaving. India has probably calculated that having a stable and epaceful Pakistan is better than a pissed off one. I am not convinced however.

I believe we have been successful in breaking the backs of these groups through intelligence work, sowing dissention and yes appeasement. Ultimatley what matters is the stability of Pakistan.

clearly the armed approach has not worked. The PA is invloved in building roads, cantts, schools etc in these areas and the fruits of these labours will take some time to ripen.

it is the only way. All otehr paths lead to nowhere. secualr liberal commentators as usual offer nothing but criticism. what is the solution of the secular liberal? bomb the dari walas, raze the masajid, bomb the madrassa's, aman ki asha, bend to the will of the west, wash your self respect down with a few shots of jack daniels! sorry but the discourse has failed. the secular liberal has failed to provide a single concrete solution to our problems.

[Looney]

We make them and then we break them

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Dont worry, Its the impression all ABCDs have of patriots. But why is it that after reading your posts, you give the impression of a westernized tool trying to promote the agenda of CIA into Pakistan.

You did'nt dissapoint. Was expecting nothing short of that from you, in fact surprised why you left out RAW and Mossad agent as well as CIA.

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan it is the only way. All otehr paths lead to nowhere. secualr liberal commentators as usual offer nothing but criticism. what is the solution of the secular liberal? bomb the dari walas, raze the masajid, bomb the madrassa's, aman ki asha, bend to the will of the west, wash your self respect down with a few shots of jack daniels! sorry but the discourse has failed. the secular liberal has failed to provide a single concrete solution to our problems.

You can't really say those solutions failed when we did'nt even tried them.

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by saadibaba You did'nt dissapoint. Was expecting nothing short of that from you, in fact surprised why you left out RAW and Mossad agent as well as CIA.

On the defence after your identity is exposed

CIA controls RAW, Mossad doesn't have a presence in Pakistan, no need to try and confuse us now.

and even if your accusations are right, i will rather be an ISI agent and defend the country rather than be a sellout like you and sell the country for CIA.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by saadibaba You can't really say those solutions failed when we did'nt even tried them.

What would you try ?

[Looney]

Thank you PetroDollars for exposing traitors like saadibaba . I would have never thought that he could be that .

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by akheR What would you try ?

He'd write a scathing satire and publish it in Dawn would be my guess.

[Daniyal99]

Thank god, I hope Pakistan is not dangerous any more.

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars On the defence after your identity is exposed CIA controls RAW, Mossad doesn't have a presence in Pakistan, no need to try and confuse us now. and even if your accusations are right, i will rather be an ISI agent and defend the country rather than be a sellout like you and sell the country for CIA.

I had a feeling you have been fed the "Lal Toopi" propaganda way too much and far too long, but you are trying to outdo even him. Maybe you should get your own show.

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat He'd write a scathing satire and publish it in Dawn would be my guess.

You have a problem with writers and columnists too. The intolerance shown by some of your folks makes me wonder why you continue to live in the west, why not move to Saudia Arabia or Iran wher you can ban any dissenting voices as you please.

[Black Zero]

another achievement by pppp govt.

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by akheR What would you try ?

To start with, reign in the militant groups that we have nurtured for this long as part of our strategic asset strategy. Be honest with our people about our foreign policy and not play the patriotic card everytime we need to bargain with the west. Give the civilian govt. total authority over foreign policy and not just use them as puppets.

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by Looney Thank you PetroDollars for exposing traitors like saadibaba . I would have never thought that he could be that .

Its a he, i thought he was a girl

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by saadibaba You have a problem with writers and columnists too. The intolerance shown by some of your folks makes me wonder why you continue to live in the west, why not move to Saudia Arabia or Iran wher you can ban any dissenting voices as you please.

What a pathetic comment. When someone uses satire which doesn't match your agenda you start labelling it intolerance and talk about Saudi Arabia. Really? Is that your level?

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by saadibaba I had a feeling you have been fed the "Lal Toopi" propaganda way too much and far too long, but you are trying to outdo even him. Maybe you should get your own show.

Typical ABCD rant
Cant really expect anything more from a so called secularist.

Its funny when a brainwashed ABCD talks about being fed
You have already outdone the fools in Express Tribune and Dawn, or maybe Nadeem 'Prat' cha has a ID on PP, wouldn't be surprised.

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat What a pathetic comment. When someone uses satire which doesn't match your agenda you start labelling it intolerance and talk about Saudi Arabia. Really? Is that your level?

Did you really expect anything better?
According to her, i mean he (as its been revealed in the thread) its ok to call everyone an ISI agent and call every problem an ISI saazish, but when you name CIA you are a conspiracy theorist

Thats her (i mean his) level.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by saadibaba To start with, reign in the militant groups that we have nurtured for this long as part of our strategic asset strategy. Be honest with our people about our foreign policy and not play the patriotic card everytime we need to bargain with the west. Give the civilian govt. total authority over foreign policy and not just use them as puppets.

lol and you think that would work?

so lets look at your first option, how do we reign in the militants when there is a war going on next door without them retaliating against our cities. oh wait that happened already and our strategy failed.

Be honest with our people. yes indeed I agree with that one. except being honest will mean exposing our "western allies" and their duplicitous activity vis a vis India and the rest.

give authority to the civilian govt. hich one? the one lead by a theif and a convicted felon? erm I dont think so. Our foreign policy should not be held hostage by appointed puppets and fools who cant answer straight questions. The only time foreign policy can be handed back to the civilian govt is when it is strong and has the interests of pakistan at heart. This govt doesnt.

by the way lets say we did the above overnight , I'll guarantee you we would be in the same if not worse mess!

[saadibaba]

^ I respectfully disagree.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Typical ABCD rant Cant really expect anything more from a so called secularist. Its funny when a brainwashed ABCD talks about being fed You have already outdone the fools in Express Tribune and Dawn, or maybe Nadeem 'Prat' cha has a ID on PP, wouldn't be surprised.

When you talked about columnists, the lad came in mind directly.

Originally Posted by saadibaba To start with, reign in the militant groups that we have nurtured for this long as part of our strategic asset strategy. Be honest with our people about our foreign policy and not play the patriotic card everytime we need to bargain with the west. Give the civilian govt. total authority over foreign policy and not just use them as puppets.

With the likes of Zardaris, Gillanis, Hussain Haqqanis, ... don't you believe that the "civilian govt." is as credible as the Army ? They're both different ends of the same spectrum when it comes to Pakistan's national interests.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by saadibaba ^ I respectfully disagree.

Why not be a little less respectful and explain why?

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Very nice.

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat Why not be a little less respectful and explain why?

He would just quote an article from Prat cha or post something from CNN, so to save himself from further embarrasment it was easier to just say 'I respectfully disagree'

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat What a pathetic comment. When someone uses satire which doesn't match your agenda you start labelling it intolerance and talk about Saudi Arabia. Really? Is that your level?

Oh so it's satire when you talk about it and agenda when I talk about it.

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Its a he, i thought he was a girl

Does it matter to the discussion whether I am a girl or a boy. Or in your male chauvinistic mullah mindset, you have to differentiate how to discuss a topic with a female versus a male.

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Typical ABCD rant Cant really expect anything more from a so called secularist. Its funny when a brainwashed ABCD talks about being fed You have already outdone the fools in Express Tribune and Dawn, or maybe Nadeem 'Prat' cha has a ID on PP, wouldn't be surprised.

Kudos to NFP for being such a lightning rod for delusional fools like you. I wish he would post at PP but I feel like my presence is enough to give you guys heartburn.

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Did you really expect anything better? According to her, i mean he (as its been revealed in the thread) its ok to call everyone an ISI agent and call every problem an ISI saazish, but when you name CIA you are a conspiracy theorist Thats her (i mean his) level.

Again, the he she confusion. Dude, what's the matter, do you have problem with me being a male.

Originally Posted by akheR When you talked about columnists, the lad came in mind directly. With the likes of Zardaris, Gillanis, Hussain Haqqanis, ... don't you believe that the "civilian govt." is as credible as the Army ? They're both different ends of the same spectrum when it comes to Pakistan's national interests.

I was talking about civilians in general not this or that civilian govt. Most of us want civilian supremacy, just not this civilian govt. supremacy. The thing is we cannot pick and choose. This govt. came to power after being elected by the majority of people of our country. Call them fools or idiots, but they voted for this lot and now will have to suffer till next elections, that's the whole beauty of democracy. You get your chance, if you don't perform, you get booted off. But if we start picking and choosing which civilian govt. we are going to support and which not, the same could be expected from people who are pro PPP resulting in a never ending cycle of mistrust of civilian govt.

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat Why not be a little less respectful and explain why?

First, let our friend Petrodollars explain all the hogwash he has posted so far in this thread about "raw" agents etc. with some evidence. Once he do that, I will be more than happy to explain my side with solid evidence.

Originally Posted by PetroDollars He would just quote an article from Prat cha or post something from CNN, so to save himself from further embarrasment it was easier to just say 'I respectfully disagree'

What about you dude. Can you give me some evidence of all the fantastic claims the you have made so far in this thread and other threads. Or are you also going to quote your beloved Lal Topi's FB page rants or post his video clips.

[RWAC]

I was exactly thinking this a couple of days - that we don't hear of any big ticket attacks in Pakistan these days.

The # show for them. Good job. (y)

PS: Just like some other posters, the 'reduced' numbers still seem so high on an absolute basis. Are there really 100+ attacks in a month? :s


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[LethalSami]

maybe they are counting the skirmishes in FATA between TTP and Army

[shan]

Originally Posted by LethalSami maybe they are counting the skirmishes in FATA between TTP and Army

True, 90% of the attacks now happen in FATA.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by saadibaba ^ I respectfully disagree.

which bit do you disagree with? you cant possibly disagree with the first one because that is an established fact simply by looking at the facts on the ground over the last 4-5 years. That strategy has failed.

I said I agreed with your second point but only differed on the timing.

and the third well I disagree with your point.

The problem I have with people who think like you is the extreme negativity and lack of desire to actually present a proper solution be it in print or in action. we have tons of so called secular liberal commentators who sput garbage about the country be it Imran Khan, Islam, red topi wala etc etc but present nothing to counter the aforementioned ideologies.

I have thus concluded that those with a secualr viewpoint offer nothing but misery, servitude and the utter elimination of Pakistan as an entity.

You offer nothing to the people of Pakistan!!

[saadibaba]

^ you keep harping about how seculars offer no solutions, when in fact they do offer very practical, precise and concrete solutions. Just watch Najam Sethi's show as an example. I offered some solutions in my post but you rubbished them down saying they have not worked or will not work, so what is it. There is one thing to disagree with our solutions and another thing to say that we don't offer solutions and only criticism. The solutions you offer have not worked, this temporary decline in terrorist attack is due to appeasement and sooner or later will bite us in the behind with more vengeance than before. Just like others you also seem to have a developed a monopoly over patriotism and love for our country. I also always get a feeling of extreme disgust and hate towards seculars/liberals on reading your posts. This attitude of us vs. them is very unproductive. Saying that we want our country eliminated is the height of delusion and paranoia. I may disagree with you but I will never think you are a traitor of some sort. You on the other hand will label people who think a certain way or have a different worldview. That is just a very regressive form of thinking and does not contribute any towards honest debate.

[DRS]

Let's see what happens when supplies are opened. hint hint