PTI agrees to electoral alliance with AML

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Raz Which TV shows was Sheikhoo going nuts on?

I watched 3 shows of him going nuts. Watch the start of this:

[insaftak]

Asad Umar is also some what against this alliance

[waqar_ahmad]

^I am also not sure if this is a good decision or not. It would be interesting to know who from PTI supported this, and who didnt

[dhump]

Originally Posted by zaid65 He said great leaders

I think she is great in size absolute massive.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by insaftak Asad Umar is also some what against this alliance

These sort of tweets must be avoided. You cant publicize disagreements within a party like this. Alliance is a party decision (this isnt PPP where zardari does whatever he wants with the party), and whoever tweets using the PTI london account, should get a good dressing down, and so should PTI london as a whole

[tanzeel]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan from what i know i can concur and trust me it isnt just a few people in the army...many people dont rate kayani but trust me he isnt corrupt..also Pasha may be gone from view but he is still around...the army would prefer Imran over everyone else.. the rank and file love the guy and well what the rank and file want normally goes..in a roundabout way!

What do you base that assertion on? I normally wouldn't ask but 'trust me' makes a pretty strong statement and there's usually some knowledge others don't have to say something with that kind of conviction. Do you know something others don't, because from what I know, his average remuneration from the Americans can often run into the seven figure range, so please, do tell.

[Mohsin]

^COAS is from Gujar Khan...My dads side village in near GJ, trust me he's not corrupt and a patriot to the core



Also...I'm hearing news from some that there is NO alliance/seat adjustment with AML and Sheikhoo just invited IK as a 'chief guest'. I've just heard this, not sure if true so I'm just putting it out there, may just be rubbish (and I think it is personally)
Will let know if more reliable info comes through

[PetroDollars]

Kayanni might be incompetent, but defiantly not corrupt.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by tanzeel What do you base that assertion on? I normally wouldn't ask but 'trust me' makes a pretty strong statement and there's usually some knowledge others don't have to say something with that kind of conviction. Do you know something others don't, because from what I know, his average remuneration from the Americans can often run into the seven figure range, so please, do tell.

I have insider information...I cant say too much other than he is from Gujar khan and has a certain philosophy that he is following. The rank and file respect him but dont think he is very dynamic and want someone with a bit more oomph. He is a safety first type soldier and prefers not to rock the boat (according to the rank and file), most of them prefer Pasha. Kayani is not to be underestimated!

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by PetroDollars Kayanni might be incompetent, but defiantly not corrupt.

Kayani is not incompetent he is smart for instance bin laden raid which pak and americs agreed to do together pakistan kicked cia agents out he called meeting with all politican parties and discussed it and and made all the nation stand together. On the other hand had'nt he did that people would have come on streets.

[Amar786]

“Kayani is a true General of the soldiers”

BELIEVE it or not, the non-commissioned soldiers love Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani as a 'true' General of the soldiers!

Some people had been complaining that The Terrorland group blogs were very harsh on Gen. Kayani and his 'cronies' (although the criticism is in good faith for improvement in the traditional criminal behavior so that there is peace and prosperity in Pakistan).

Critics accuse bloggers especially Habib Sulemani as working against the "national interest" of Pakistan. They often say: “You’re pointing out his (Kayani's) 'negatives' but ignore his 'positives' as a 'soldier' and the 'son' of a soldier.”



The face-to-face interaction with some Facebook-generation soldiers of the Pakistan Army, unexpectedly gave birth to this post! These common soldiers claimed that they had been serving the nation with grace and dignity since Gen. Kayani took over as Army Chief.

“Kayani is a true General of the soldiers,” said a non-commissioned member of the Pakistan Army. “He is the son of a Subadar (non-commissioned officer) and is well aware of the difficulties of the common solders.”

Gen. Kayani has not forgotten his modest upbringing in a village near Rawalpindi, sources said, and that is why he has given more facilities to the common soldiers than any of his predecessors since 1947. He is the first Army Chief who is the son of a common soldier not a commissioned officer or from a civil services, business or political background.

The difference between the commissioned officers and common soldiers has become almost invisible. “The tyrant behavior and abusive language of the Kakul-trained officers is also changing,” said a soldier. “We can do anything we’re ordered to do—we can sacrifice our lives without any judgment of a right or wrong cause—but in reward we want respect and dignity as human being—nothing else.”

"It means The Kakul Syndrome is no more there?"

“I don’t know,” said the solder, “if any commissioned officer is not happy with him (Gen. Kayani), it may be because he is a commoner and works for the welfare of the common soldiers. Earlier, we used to wear a low quality uniform but now the officers and solders are given the same good quality uniforms.”

Here are some of the facilities a sepoy (the lowest grade common combatant soldier) is being given since Gen Kayani took over as Army Chief:

1- Salary has doubled from Rs.10,000 to Rs. 20,000 (approximately) and the increase has been added in the basic salary.
2- The standard of family residential areas at cantonments has been improved and “now there is almost no difference between an officers' colony and a soldiers' colony".
3- Ration (food) has been doubled: for example three breads per solder has been increase to six breads per soldier at a time.
4- A solder is given high quality uniform or Rs. 2,600 in cash to purchase the military outfit and the same amount is given to a four-star general as well.
5- Monthly pension of a retired soldier has also been doubled from Rs. 3,000 to Rs. 6,000 (approximately). Rs. 6,000 is the minimum wage in Pakistan.
6- The amount of commute at retirement has doubled from Rs. 300,000 to Rs. 600,000 (approximately).
7- Residential plots are also being given to non-commissioned officers (from hawaldar onwards).
8- The facilities and benefits for the martyred or disabled soldiers have been multiplied in the same way.

The salary of the non-commissioned officers, from Lance Naik to Subadar Major, has increased in the same way. Their salary is now around Rs. 50,000.

What would be the consequences of the "political rule" of Gen Kayani for Pakistan, only time can give any judgment in this regard! But, so far, his two-time period (hope there is not yet another 'extention' in the future) as the Army Chief has made the common soldiers of the Pakistan Army very happy! Or this is what the above mentioned intearation shows. Allah knows the reality about the one million military men in our terror-hit Islamic Republic of Pakistan!

[insaftak]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad These sort of tweets must be avoided. You cant publicize disagreements within a party like this. Alliance is a party decision (this isnt PPP where zardari does whatever he wants with the party), and whoever tweets using the PTI london account, should get a good dressing down, and so should PTI london as a whole

That's the beauty of PTI man. everything is out in public and everyone knows about it. I hope it stays that way and people keep leaking out stuff like this so pti supporters know which leader was backing a certain decision.

[insaftak]

@ ammar. Mohsin & Petrodollars.

This so called General of Soldiers is building a huge mansion in native village. His brother is also said to be involved in partnership with Malik Riaz in Lahore.

I refuse to believe that this guy is clean. He is as corrupt as Zardari & Nawaz.

[insaftak]

@ ammar. Mohsin & Petrodollars.

This so called General of Soldiers is building a huge mansion in native village. His brother is also said to be involved in partnership with Malik Riaz in Lahore.

I refuse to believe that this guy is clean. He is as corrupt as Zardari & Nawaz.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by insaftak That's the beauty of PTI man. everything is out in public and everyone knows about it. I hope it stays that way and people keep leaking out stuff like this so pti supporters know which leader was backing a certain decision.

eh...not so sure about this. There are pros and cons to both approaches though

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by insaftak @ ammar. Mohsin & Petrodollars. This so called General of Soldiers is building a huge mansion in native village. His brother is also said to be involved in partnership with Malik Riaz in Lahore. I refuse to believe that this guy is clean. He is as corrupt as Zardari & Nawaz.

he could do that by simply being a general...to be honest only Allah swt knows whats in people hearts and whats really going on..from my info he isnt corrupt but then my sources could be wrong too...

[PetroDollars]

Originally Posted by insaftak @ ammar. Mohsin & Petrodollars. This so called General of Soldiers is building a huge mansion in native village. His brother is also said to be involved in partnership with Malik Riaz in Lahore. I refuse to believe that this guy is clean. He is as corrupt as Zardari & Nawaz.

If this mansion is given to him by the Army then how is that corruption, everyone gets perks and rewards from their organisation but when the army gives to its people its automatically corruption.

[0tt0man]

All Army officers are 'doodh kay dhulay huay'. When was the last time one of them was convicted of corruption?

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by insaftak @ ammar. Mohsin & Petrodollars. This so called General of Soldiers is building a huge mansion in native village. His brother is also said to be involved in partnership with Malik Riaz in Lahore. I refuse to believe that this guy is clean. He is as corrupt as Zardari & Nawaz.

Wow i am sure he is the first general in the history or the first person in pakistan to do so. Wow you believe in stories which are against him but when time comes to give kayani some credit you back away and you are ready to beliee what anyone says bad but not anything good about him.

Don't talk about zardari and nawaz and imran no one is worse then them they back bite each time they come out to the media so dont compare a army guy to a politician even mush had the good habbit of not back biting unlike these lot each and every time they come out it is a statement against each other. He kayani and the rest top brass have featured in wars to defend pakistan unlike imran khan and so on they can only talk about developments they can't do nothing.

Imran khan has all zardari and nawaz sharif's people in his party ask them to give the looted money back first i am sure there swiss accounts are full aswell. it show imran khan hypocrisy he points fingers at zardari and sharif but not at his party workers they also looted the nations money where is that money know?

[saadibaba]

Another gem by IK, well said.

[Waseem]

Kayani's VERY VERY close relative drives a taxi in Australia, he has given many examples of Kayani's honesty (he obviously can be biased) but his examples were definitely quite convincing as groud realities prove all his claims to be true. He rightly said that if he was this close to one of the politcians or any other corrupt general, he would have been enjoying the life in Pakistan rather than driving a taxi here.

The way this government has destroyed Pakistan, any other General would have locked up Zardari long ago but credit should be given to Kayani for not interfering.

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by Waseem Kayani's VERY VERY close relative drives a taxi in Australia, he has given many examples of Kayani's honesty (he obviously can be biased) but his examples were definitely quite convincing as groud realities prove all his claims to be true. He rightly said that if he was this close to one of the politcians or any other corrupt general, he would have been enjoying the life in Pakistan rather than driving a taxi here. The way this government has destroyed Pakistan, any other General would have locked up Zardari long ago but credit should be given to Kayani for not interfering.

Who are you saying this to people are so much anti army that they know that zia used to ride a bike and people believe that to be bulll **** while i was watching ARY news last night while PTI member said that zia used to ride a bike. As for kayani loyality is concerned you could bring a thousand evidences and bring one against him and people will take the one over a thousand

As i said early people don't give credit to kayani when it is due.

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

jalsa thanda tha !!

[Sjaloha]

Not a bad move by PTI. They need alliances with smaller groups or parties to ensure they win the seats or support for future government. Can't say too much about Sheikh Rasheed but the stuff he delivers in talk shows, he does not sound too bad. He definitely has the public speaking skills which is necessary in pakistan during elections.

[ahsan88]

What a pathetic individual is this Sheikh Rasheed.

"Kill the ******, before he kills you."

"Amir ul Momineen Mullah Omer sahab, Khan sb ko raasta dein."

Shameful.

[waqar_ahmad]

As Hasan Nisar once said, in the next elections, the only person who can beat Imran Khan, is Imran Khan.

The more I look at this, the more I think that this is the first electoral blunder from PTI. Hashmi could have won from here on his own. I know this is an important constituency, but is it worth it, and can SR really take it away from PML-N? Hashmi certainly could have.

I hope I am wrong, and I hope that some sane political heads were involved in this decision from PTI