Hindu boy converts to Islam on live television show in Pak

[srh]

this should not have happen on TV in a show produced by the TV management itself. Its totally wrong. If this show was produced by some other organization who have bought this time slot from the TV then I would not have mind it.

But still all muslims should be really happy that a person has come to the right path. One more life is saved from the eternal hellfire. Thats a reason of joy.

[Dolphins]

The guy looks like

[mithun_minhas]

One thing I have observed is that Abrahamic faiths are all about numbers. Their motto seems to be my way or the high way or convert the non-believer at any cost. For them, anyone who does not believe in their God or follow their customs are automatically uncivilized people.

I was watching History channel about programs on Barbarians and Vikings. The way they were converted to Christianity is absolutely hilarious. In fact the way Christianity spread in Europe is a huge disgrace. The church had to create hoaxes and fake miracles to convert people in thousands everyday.

There is this other program on Native Indians in Alaska and they showed an Indian family who were striving to find their roots. They discover a lot of artifacts about their culture, their Gods and they become emotional and angry towards white man. In the end, they all went to Church to pray for their ancestors. ROFL!!!
Those people who converted them have no shame in doing that

[mithun_minhas]

Originally Posted by Dolphins The guy looks like

Looks like Amir's younger brother.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas One thing I have observed is that Abrahamic faiths are all about numbers. Their motto seems to be my way or the high way or convert the non-believer at any cost. For them, anyone who does not believe in their God or follow their customs are automatically uncivilized people. I was watching History channel about programs on Barbarians and Vikings. The way they were converted to Christianity is absolutely hilarious. In fact the way Christianity spread in Europe is a huge disgrace. The church had to create hoaxes and fake miracles to convert people in thousands everyday. There is this other program on Native Indians in Alaska and they showed an Indian family who were striving to find their roots. They discover a lot of artifacts about their culture, their Gods and they become emotional and angry towards white man. In the end, they all went to Church to pray for their ancestors. ROFL!!! Those people who converted them have no shame in doing that

What I have observed about non-Abrahamic faiths is that they preach passivism yet practice differently. So it is strange to learn about recent events where buddhists and hindus have indulged in ethnic cleansing or destruction of places of worship when it goes against everything they preach.

[Dolphins]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas One thing I have observed is that Abrahamic faiths are all about numbers. Their motto seems to be my way or the high way or convert the non-believer at any cost.

True thats why its always quality over quantity. Also reminds me of a dialogue from the movie Bol.

[oyei]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag ^^^atleast i can say that,majority of pakistanis on PP see no problem in religious conversion on live TV

Take off your nationalism goggles, and try again, majority of the Muslim Pakistani support the conversion to Islam.

[chacha kashmiri]

The way this was carried out was very cheap and tacky of what should be a beautiful and sincere ceremony

[vcool80]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat What I have observed about non-Abrahamic faiths is that they preach passivism yet practice differently. So it is strange to learn about recent events where buddhists and hindus have indulged in ethnic cleansing or destruction of places of worship when it goes against everything they preach.

it is some time now this cyber RSS wing/Sakha followers stage propaganda that Abrahamic "Mleccha" religions are the sole reason for troubles and oh so peaceful Hindu,Buddhist,Jains are like sheeps. it is not so. Hindus riot among themselves as well as with other faiths. Orissa Kandhamal etc are examples.

OT:Abrahamic religions are Judaism and Christianity. reason is YAHWEH is not the God of Islam. it is not a case to take offence by Muslims.

[Animal]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat What I have observed about non-Abrahamic faiths is that they preach passivism yet practice differently. So it is strange to learn about recent events where buddhists and hindus have indulged in ethnic cleansing or destruction of places of worship when it goes against everything they preach.

Yes. That is the irony about the Oriental faiths. In their xenophobic paranoia about the Abrahamic faiths, they are becoming like them. For instance, the Hindu Right's attempts to foist the god Rama as the supreme deity of Hinduism much like Christ or the Prophet Mohammad.

[Senman]

KARACHI:
For the Hindu boy, whose conversion to Islam was beamed into millions of homes across Pakistan, leading to the talk show host’s downfall and an international controversy, the motivation was more secular than initially thought.
“I wanted to escape from the atmosphere at home,” said Abdullah while talking with The Express Tribune two months after the scandal. “I never wanted to come on the media.” He consoles himself by reasoning that people would have found out eventually – the television show just made it easier.
Twenty-three-year-old Sunil’s decision to become Abdullah is strongly linked to a troubled home. His mother passed away five years ago and his father was unable to take care of his three brothers. Fighting erupted every day in the Ranchore Line house. “Because of my mother, the house was united,” he explains. “Had my mother been alive, I would have never converted. I wouldn’t have done it in front of her.”
It was at the Sarim Burney Welfare Trust that Sunil found a sense of belonging with the Muslim staff. In order to get away from the misery at home, he even moved in to one of their shelters three years ago. But the young man still felt lost and left out when Ramzan rolled around each year. Eventually, despite his own upbringing, he decided to join to fast during the last two Ramzans.
In July, he felt it was time to convert. “I have been thinking for a long time,” he said, adding that while there were quite a few people who put on the pressure, he did it when he felt he wanted to. He did not, however, inform his family who learnt of the news when they saw him on the Maya Khan show, dressed in a new shalwar kameez and obeying the cleric. “My family and relatives were outraged. They wanted the channel to be blocked, the show to be stopped. They asked me, ‘Why did you do it live?’”
Now that the furor has subsided, what has life been like since then? Abdullah visits his family once in two weeks – but as they are Hindu, he refuses to eat or drink anything in his own house. There is an element of confusion, however, as evidenced by his keenness to appear democratic in the face of beliefs that veer on the radical. “Changing their religion is every person’s right,” he stresses. “There was nothing wrong with my previous religion. I believe that every religion is the same, only the way of praying is different.”
His voice quivers, however, as he mentions Raksha Bandhan and other festivals. “It is a sister’s right to tie a red thread around her brother,” he says. “But I missed out on the festival because I converted.” And then, looking down at the floor, he says, “I won’t go any more.”
Abdullah is not the only one adjusting to this new reality. His 15-year-old younger brother Rohit misses him at home but is happy at least he can see him at work. “We felt so weird when bhaiya wasn’t there at our festival,” he said. “I won’t convert. But I have accepted him as a Muslim.”
Ironically, while Sunil was drawn to Islam in his instinct to replace a broken family, his conversion split another: a rift developed between the social activist Burney brothers, Ansar and Sarim, with Ansar condemning the conversion and Sarim defending it.
Published in The Express Tribune, October 6th, 2012.

Source : http://tribune.com.pk/story/447693/l...ver-converted/

__________________________________________________ _________

Is the bolded part true? Muslims not supposed to eat or drink from a Hindu?

[umerz]

Originally Posted by Senman KARACHI: For the Hindu boy, whose conversion to Islam was beamed into millions of homes across Pakistan, leading to the talk show host’s downfall and an international controversy, the motivation was more secular than initially thought. “I wanted to escape from the atmosphere at home,” said Abdullah while talking with The Express Tribune two months after the scandal. “I never wanted to come on the media.” He consoles himself by reasoning that people would have found out eventually – the television show just made it easier. Twenty-three-year-old Sunil’s decision to become Abdullah is strongly linked to a troubled home. His mother passed away five years ago and his father was unable to take care of his three brothers. Fighting erupted every day in the Ranchore Line house. “Because of my mother, the house was united,” he explains. “Had my mother been alive, I would have never converted. I wouldn’t have done it in front of her.” It was at the Sarim Burney Welfare Trust that Sunil found a sense of belonging with the Muslim staff. In order to get away from the misery at home, he even moved in to one of their shelters three years ago. But the young man still felt lost and left out when Ramzan rolled around each year. Eventually, despite his own upbringing, he decided to join to fast during the last two Ramzans. In July, he felt it was time to convert. “I have been thinking for a long time,” he said, adding that while there were quite a few people who put on the pressure, he did it when he felt he wanted to. He did not, however, inform his family who learnt of the news when they saw him on the Maya Khan show, dressed in a new shalwar kameez and obeying the cleric. “My family and relatives were outraged. They wanted the channel to be blocked, the show to be stopped. They asked me, ‘Why did you do it live?’” Now that the furor has subsided, what has life been like since then? Abdullah visits his family once in two weeks – but as they are Hindu, he refuses to eat or drink anything in his own house. There is an element of confusion, however, as evidenced by his keenness to appear democratic in the face of beliefs that veer on the radical. “Changing their religion is every person’s right,” he stresses. “There was nothing wrong with my previous religion. I believe that every religion is the same, only the way of praying is different.” His voice quivers, however, as he mentions Raksha Bandhan and other festivals. “It is a sister’s right to tie a red thread around her brother,” he says. “But I missed out on the festival because I converted.” And then, looking down at the floor, he says, “I won’t go any more.” Abdullah is not the only one adjusting to this new reality. His 15-year-old younger brother Rohit misses him at home but is happy at least he can see him at work. “We felt so weird when bhaiya wasn’t there at our festival,” he said. “I won’t convert. But I have accepted him as a Muslim.” Ironically, while Sunil was drawn to Islam in his instinct to replace a broken family, his conversion split another: a rift developed between the social activist Burney brothers, Ansar and Sarim, with Ansar condemning the conversion and Sarim defending it. Published in The Express Tribune, October 6th, 2012. Source : http://tribune.com.pk/story/447693/l...ver-converted/ __________________________________________________ _________ Is the bolded part true? Muslims not supposed to eat or drink from a Hindu?

No my friend that is not true. Muslims can eat and drink with people of other religions. His statement is lack of knowledge/understanding of religion. I have non muslim friends in Pakistan but we have no such issues mate

[Crazy_K]

Originally Posted by umerz No my friend that is not true. Muslims can eat and drink with people of other religions. His statement is lack of knowledge/understanding of religion. I have non muslim friends in Pakistan but we have no such issues mate

I don't know what Islam says, but I can tell you there are 'mullahs' who teach that.
I have Muslim relatives, when my nieces and nephews are around, some of them don't eat, initially I thought it was a case of shyness, over time I've discovered they've been told they shouldn't be eating food in a 'Hindu house'
Made me feel quite sick

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by Crazy_K I don't know what Islam says, but I can tell you there are 'mullahs' who teach that. I have Muslim relatives, when my nieces and nephews are around, some of them don't eat, initially I thought it was a case of shyness, over time I've discovered they've been told they shouldn't be eating food in a 'Hindu house' Made me feel quite sick

This is not exclusive to Muslims only. Many Hindu families also avoid eating at homes of Muslims in India. Well, the word many can be misleading here though. I can't certainly speak for whole India.

[Senman]

Originally Posted by umerz No my friend that is not true. Muslims can eat and drink with people of other religions. His statement is lack of knowledge/understanding of religion. I have non muslim friends in Pakistan but we have no such issues mate

Thanks mate, thought so.

[lahori@denmark]

i usually eat with my hindu/sikh friends out and in thier house but do not eat parsad, or from gurduwara or anything which is from khatam, or things from pakistani shirines of muslim saints etc, becouse the food is offered on the name of other then allah

[Crazy_K]

Originally Posted by AlizeeFan This is not exclusive to Muslims only. Many Hindu families also avoid eating at homes of Muslims in India. Well, the word many can be misleading here though. I can't certainly speak for whole India.

Could be the case. Though growing up I was never told not to eat in a Muslims house, my cousins would eat at my house. Now their kids have been taught not to eat in a 'Hindu home' was offensive

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by Crazy_K Could be the case. Though growing up I was never told not to eat in a Muslims house, my cousins would eat at my house. Now their kids have been taught not to eat in a 'Hindu home' was offensive

Well current generation won't bother about this, but previous generation used to bit more cautious about this.

[QazzarFan]

Originally Posted by Crazy_K Could be the case. Though growing up I was never told not to eat in a Muslims house, my cousins would eat at my house. Now their kids have been taught not to eat in a 'Hindu home' was offensive

That is pretty pathetic. All my Muslim relatives make no qualm about my family knowing very well we choose to be atheists. Looks like radicalization is making a coming back amongst few Muslim families.

[mithun_minhas]

Originally Posted by vcool80 OT:Abrahamic religions are Judaism and Christianity. reason is YAHWEH is not the God of Islam. it is not a case to take offence by Muslims.

VCool, you are a Christian right?
Even I thought that Christian God and Muslim God are different. Yahweh and Allah are same or different? Any good link?

But have seen Muslims claiming that Islam is an Abrahamic faith

[shan]

Actually not eating with other religion people is Hinduism thing. Like Dalit is not allowed to eat in Brahmin mandir. So since Pakistanis ancestors converted from hindus, now extremist ones say that eating with Hindus is haram.

[shan]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas VCool, you are a Christian right? Even I thought that Christian God and Muslim God are different. Yahweh and Allah are same or different? Any good link? But have seen Muslims claiming that Islam is an Abrahamic faith

Actually the god is same and its Abrahamic religion becaue Abraham is also prophet of Islam. Judism and Islam is alot closer but different with Christianity is they consider Jesus as god.

"Islamic traditions consider Abraham the father of Islam (which is also called millat Ibrahim, the "religion of Abraham"), and that his purpose and mission throughout his life was to proclaim the Oneness of God."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

[akheR]

Originally Posted by shan Actually not eating with other religion people is Hinduism thing. Like Dalit is not allowed to eat in Brahmin mandir. So since Pakistanis ancestors converted from hindus, now extremist ones say that eating with Hindus is haram.

I actually do find funny when some here are all "oh... so Muslims can't even EAT with Hindus... how tragic!" when, in fact, it's a REACTION to the Hindu behaviour.

[KingKhanWC]

The anti-Pakistan tribune again but it's still good to see the lad is still a Muslim.

[shan]

Originally Posted by akheR I actually do find funny when some here are all "oh... so Muslims can't even EAT with Hindus... how tragic!" when, in fact, it's a REACTION to the Hindu behaviour.

Its funny to see Indian Hindus surprised by that Islam doesnt forbid but hindusism does.

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by shan Its funny to see Indian Hindus surprised by that Islam doesnt forbid but hindusism does.

No, it doesn't

[IgnitedMind]

Would like to know where in Hinduism does it say..not to eat with Dalits? It WAS prevelant among brahmins does not mean it is the truth..

Ever listened to Lord Sri Krishna and Sudama story???

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Would like to know where in Hinduism does it say..not to eat with Dalits? It WAS prevelant among brahmins does not mean it is the truth.. Ever listened to Lord Sri Krishna and Sudama story???

Lol what! How is Krishna-Sudama relevant here? Sudama was a brahmin and Krishna a ruler.

[mithun_minhas]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Would like to know where in Hinduism does it say..not to eat with Dalits? It WAS prevelant among brahmins does not mean it is the truth.. Ever listened to Lord Sri Krishna and Sudama story???

Lod Ram and Shabari.

Ram ate food given by Shabari who is a tribal lady. Same with Guha who ate food with Ram.

Hinduism does not forbid eating food with Dalits or non-hindus. Its the Brahmins who do this as for them anyone who does not accept caste system is an out-caste and forbidden.

[shan]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas Lod Ram and Shabari. Ram ate food given by Shabari who is a tribal lady. Same with Guha who ate food with Ram. Hinduism does not forbid eating food with Dalits or non-hindus. Its the Brahmins who do this as for them anyone who does not accept caste system is an out-caste and forbidden.

So Brahmins does it right? Highest cast so they dont eat it with lower caste.

[mithun_minhas]

Originally Posted by shan Actually the god is same and its Abrahamic religion becaue Abraham is also prophet of Islam. Judism and Islam is alot closer but different with Christianity is they consider Jesus as god. "Islamic traditions consider Abraham the father of Islam (which is also called millat Ibrahim, the "religion of Abraham"), and that his purpose and mission throughout his life was to proclaim the Oneness of God." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

Weren't Arabs Pagans at the time of Abraham and Moses?

Do Jews consider Muslims as people of Abraham and Moses too?

[umerz]

Originally Posted by Crazy_K I don't know what Islam says, but I can tell you there are 'mullahs' who teach that. I have Muslim relatives, when my nieces and nephews are around, some of them don't eat, initially I thought it was a case of shyness, over time I've discovered they've been told they shouldn't be eating food in a 'Hindu house' Made me feel quite sick

It can only be bcoz of two reasons
1. They are misinformed
2. If it was meat/chicken the reason could be the doubt whether its halal or not

[mithun_minhas]

Originally Posted by shan So Brahmins does it right? Highest cast so they dont eat it with lower caste.

Modern Hinduism is a twisted version given by Brahmins.

Vedas do not talk about Caste system. When Vedas were created, almost the entire population were either Brahmins or Ksatriyas or Vyshyas. The Agricultural Class and Landlords became Shudras.

As Sanatana Dharma started spreading into interior parts of India, Sage Manu wrote the Varna system as a law. Some say it is to prevent from intermixing with native tribes. Some say it is to preserve the stranglehold of Brahmins, Ksatriyas and Baniyas.

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by AlizeeFan Lol what! How is Krishna-Sudama relevant here? Sudama was a brahmin and Krishna a ruler.

Haaa....got my religious knowledge exposed!!! lol..

but as mithun said....Lord Ram and Shabari then..

[anakin]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Haaa....got my religious knowledge exposed!!! lol.. but as mithun said....Lord Ram and Shabari then..

I don't know if you guys know that Hinduism, a religion with a ritual for every little thing in life, doesn't have ritual for conversion from other religion.

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by anakin I don't know if you guys know that Hinduism, a religion with a ritual for every little thing in life, doesn't have ritual for conversion from other religion.

Why there should be a ritual for conversion from other religion?

[anakin]

Originally Posted by AlizeeFan Why there should be a ritual for conversion from other religion?

I dunno. All others have entire sequence planned.

[Looney]

Originally Posted by Crazy_K I don't know what Islam says, but I can tell you there are 'mullahs' who teach that. I have Muslim relatives, when my nieces and nephews are around, some of them don't eat, initially I thought it was a case of shyness, over time I've discovered they've been told they shouldn't be eating food in a 'Hindu house' Made me feel quite sick

Yeah , I agree it is a subcontinental thing . The shuddha shakaharis would not want to eat food in a Muslim house where they eat meat . Of course, it does not apply to everyone but there are cases like that .

As far as I know , Islam only wants you to follow halal and haram rules .

[Ranvir]

Pakistanis are obsessed with converting people to their religion. Showing it on TV shows desperation. Only Muslims or some Christians in America would do something like this. There is just as much caste discrimination with Pakistani Muslims.

[Looney]

1 . Your post shows your hatred for Muslims , including Indian Muslims
2 . The last line " just as much caste discrimination among Pakistanis "

^ Good to know you admit and prove India is worse .

[pal]

Originally Posted by Looney 1 . Your post shows your hatred for Muslims , including Indian Muslims 2 . The last line " just as much caste discrimination among Pakistanis " ^ Good to know you admit and prove India is worse .

If tomorrow Hindu organizations in India began a campaign to convert poor Muslims, would you consider that a good thing, or at the least, with the same perspective and equanimity that you would regard Muslim attempts to convert Hindus? This has nothing to do with hatred. It is a matter of a religious majority in a explicitly religious state preying on a religious minority which has suffered and been marginalized for decades and decades.

This poor kid has admitted that he would never have converted if his mother was still alive. So, he hasn't been convinced of the falsity of Hinduism or the truth of Islam. He would still be a Hindu if his mother were alive. He himself states that he converted because he could not bear the social marginalization nor the issues he faced with his father. This is not something to be treated with glee or rejoicing. This is a person who is suffering because of your society and instead of providing him with relief, he is instead induced to abandon his religion and paraded on television. He is told to convert to Islam to have all his material inadequacies be fulfilled.

I will say this, India also has a terrible and maligned history in its treatment of minorities, which must be condemned and redressed, but what we have never had is a concerted, mass effort to convert Muslims or Christian minorities, to essentially seek to eliminate people practicing a certain religion by wiping out their religious heritage. Do you believe that it would be a good thing if Hinduism ceased to exist in the world, and that only Islam would remain?

It's fine if this is what you wish for, but you have to realize that there are still a billion Hindus and we're not going to sit by and placidly watch our religion, which has existed for more than five thousand years, and our communities be eradicated, as long as there is breath in our bodies.

[Looney]

Who is stopping you ? :gillani

The woman who did this has gotten herself into another controversy earlier , this is what she does for television ratings . You know Indian Pakistani media . This , as well as her other shosha , were both criticized by people in Pakistan .

As far as I know , this kid was not forced . He is admitting he enjoyed working with Muslims and that attracted him towards Islam . His family issues also did not help the matter .

No matter which priest , saint , mullah , rabbi , pundit you go to , they will tell you their religion will be the solution to everything in your life . I am not denying Pakistan has got a problem with ultra religious people selling Allah , Quran and Islam everywhere and they are ready to kill you if you don`t buy it .

However , this is a different problem . These dimwits are ready to cross any limit for money , they have made a circus out of Islam and they will make a circus out of everything else too .

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by srh this should not have happen on TV in a show produced by the TV management itself. Its totally wrong. If this show was produced by some other organization who have bought this time slot from the TV then I would not have mind it. But still all muslims should be really happy that a person has come to the right path. One more life is saved from the eternal hellfire. Thats a reason of joy.

yeah.... I am facing eternal hellfire everyday.

A question to other ppers in regards to 2nd para above. I know this is what islam believes but.... Do you think, it is ok to spread around saying those words above? In a sense, it is actually offending to any other religion.

My taken is, religion teaches many things. But there are selected things which even if you believe in your mind, should be kept that way and not spoken out.... To continue peace and harmony

[justarslan]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas Weren't Arabs Pagans at the time of Abraham and Moses? Do Jews consider Muslims as people of Abraham and Moses too?

It does not matter. Allah rewarded Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) for his devotion and sacrifice to Allah that all the prophets will come from lineage of Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.). All the prophets up to Issa (P.B.U.H.) came from lineage of Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) and last Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) came from lineage of Ismail (P.B.U.H.). Both Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) and Ismail (P.B.U.H.) are sons of Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) hence Jews are called children of Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) while Arabs are called children of Ismail (P.B.U.H.) and Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) is common father of both Jews and Arabs. Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) and Ismail (P.B.U.H.) also rebuilt the Kabba Sharif in Mecca.

[Buffet]

Ah and there was some thread about how to make Islamophobia uncool.

[Ranvir]

Originally Posted by Looney 1 . Your post shows your hatred for Muslims , including Indian Muslims 2 . The last line " just as much caste discrimination among Pakistanis " ^ Good to know you admit and prove India is worse .

Doesn't show my hatred for Muslims. It's just what I have observed with my own eyes in England.
I was in whitechapel once and saw numerous tables handing out leaflets stating that Islam is the only religion and that other religions are false.

Now imagine if a **** did that in Pakistan or Bangladesh stating that Christianity is the only true religion, or actively sought converts. He would be dead within a few days.

If there was only one true religion then God would have made everyone that religion. If people who do not believe in Islam go to hell, then what about the people who have never even heard of Islam, like tribal people or the millions of babies who did each year?

[Looney]

Again , there is a reason countries in the West have prospered and the reason for it is that they may not " follow " Islam but their actions are more Islamic than those in the Muslim countries . I am not saying Pakistan or other Muslim countries are ideal states , they are far from it .

From what I know of Islam - everyone is a born Muslim and until you are of a certain age , God will not start judging your actions . Say , a 2 year old is playing with a copy of the Quran and ripped its pages , you won`t charge him with the blasphemy law . The kid obviously does not understand the importance of it yet . However , you will find Mullahs who will happily charge him with it and want him dead .

Don`t judge any religion from its followers .

[anakin]

Originally Posted by justarslan It does not matter. Allah rewarded Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) for his devotion and sacrifice to Allah that all the prophets will come from lineage of Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.). All the prophets up to Issa (P.B.U.H.) came from lineage of Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) and last Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) came from lineage of Ismail (P.B.U.H.). Both Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) and Ismail (P.B.U.H.) are sons of Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) hence Jews are called children of Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) while Arabs are called children of Ismail (P.B.U.H.) and Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) is common father of both Jews and Arabs. Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) and Ismail (P.B.U.H.) also rebuilt the Kabba Sharif in Mecca.

Kinda reminds me of the Family trees(hobbits, Men, Elves etc) in the Appendix of "Lord of the Rings".

[Looney]

[srh]

Originally Posted by srh this should not have happen on TV in a show produced by the TV management itself. Its totally wrong. If this show was produced by some other organization who have bought this time slot from the TV then I would not have mind it. But still all muslims should be really happy that a person has come to the right path. One more life is saved from the eternal hellfire. Thats a reason of joy.

Originally Posted by Itachi yeah.... I am facing eternal hellfire everyday. A question to other ppers in regards to 2nd para above. I know this is what islam believes but.... Do you think, it is ok to spread around saying those words above? In a sense, it is actually offending to any other religion. My taken is, religion teaches many things. But there are selected things which even if you believe in your mind, should be kept that way and not spoken out.... To continue peace and harmony

The 2nd para was actually for muslims only as you can see I started it with But all muslims. Still I should have mentioned it more clearly. Sorry for offending you.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by justarslan It does not matter. Allah rewarded Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) for his devotion and sacrifice to Allah that all the prophets will come from lineage of Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.). All the prophets up to Issa (P.B.U.H.) came from lineage of Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) and last Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) came from lineage of Ismail (P.B.U.H.). Both Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) and Ismail (P.B.U.H.) are sons of Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) hence Jews are called children of Ishaq (P.B.U.H.) while Arabs are called children of Ismail (P.B.U.H.) and Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) is common father of both Jews and Arabs. Ibrahim (P.B.U.H.) and Ismail (P.B.U.H.) also rebuilt the Kabba Sharif in Mecca.

You actually avoided answering the question.

Jews scriptures recognises islam or not? As far as i know, between abrahamic religion, Jews were the chosen ones.

[anakin]

Originally Posted by Itachi You actually avoided answering the question. Jews scriptures recognises islam or not? As far as i know, between abrahamic religion, Jews were the chosen ones.

Jews get stuck at failure to recognize Jesus, and Christians get stuck by not recognizing anyone after Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam

See the series and Shia-Sunni conflict follows from the succession controversy after the last person in the list.

[justarslan]

Originally Posted by Itachi You actually avoided answering the question. Jews scriptures recognises islam or not? As far as i know, between abrahamic religion, Jews were the chosen ones.

If Jews recognized Islam, it will solve the whole Palestine Israel issue. It will also hurt their ego to accept prophet from lineage of Ismail (P.B.U.H.). As for the question of chosen ones, Jews were the chosen people of Allah and Quran does talk about it but now Muslims have taken their place as chosen ones because Jews corrupted Torah. That is why Allah is protector of Quran.

Islam and Judaism are much similar than Christianity and Judaism. Islam and Judaism both believe in one God. They do not have active clergy. Jews have 3 daily prayers while Muslims have 5 daily prays. Daily prayer ritual is same. I assume you are familiar with Muslim prayer ritual. Here is video of Jewish prayer ritual ( ) It is almost same as muslim prayer ritual.

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by justarslan If Jews recognized Islam, it will solve the whole Palestine Israel issue. It will also hurt their ego to accept prophet from lineage of Ismail (P.B.U.H.). As for the question of chosen ones, Jews were the chosen people of Allah and Quran does talk about it but now Muslims have taken their place as chosen ones because Jews corrupted Torah. That is why Allah is protector of Quran. Islam and Judaism are much similar than Christianity and Judaism. Islam and Judaism both believe in one God. They do not have active clergy. Jews have 3 daily prayers while Muslims have 5 daily prays. Daily prayer ritual is same. I assume you are familiar with Muslim prayer ritual. Here is video of Jewish prayer ritual It is almost same as muslim prayer ritual.

If zealous muslims stop making derogatory claims against other religions that will solve most problems. Might even make Islam cool.

[anakin]

Originally Posted by moumotta if zealous muslims stop making derogatory claims against other religions that will solve most problems. Might even make islam cool.

+1

[freelance_cricketer]

Hope he's happier now. Good luck to him. I see no point in publicizing this event though.