Goal difference vs Head to Head l Which system is more fair?

[freelance_cricketer]

Greece went through instead of Russia who had a +2 GD

This is how the points table looked before tonight's games. Russia was at #1

[kingusama92]

I had Akinfeev and Sweden's guy as my keepers in fantasy.

Systems don't matter. A team should know that winning will get you through. Clean up the competition and you'll go through.

Relying on the standings and other teams is when you get caught out.

[freelance_cricketer]

Bang on KU, you opened my eyes. This is why matchday3 matches occurring simultaneously was a great call by UEFA. You don't just rely on points table.

[Myrmidon]

goal difference easily

[freelance_cricketer]

If Denmark and Portugal beat Germany, Netherlands 1-0 tomorrow then Denmark, Portugal and Germany will be tied on 6 points each with the same GD of +1



Then which teams will go through????? :-l

[Myrmidon]

lol

i can see germany going out if denmark beat them
and portugal beat holland

[freelance_cricketer]

LOL getting all confused. UEFA is triksy

[Big Mac]

You can make a case for goal difference over the course of a full league season but in a group stage like this where you only play a handful of games then head to head is the obvious first tiebreaker.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Big Mac You can make a case for goal difference over the course of a full league season but in a group stage like this where you only play a handful of games then head to head is the obvious first tiebreaker.

Disagree. Cause essentially you can nick one game, as Greece just did and they go through. It encourages negative football. GD should be the way to go, the more positive you are, more likely you were offensively good!

[chacha kashmiri]

As much as i would love to make excuses for russia, everyone knew the rules before the game but greece going through is a travesty against football

[ecstatic_freak]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri As much as i would love to make excuses for russia, everyone knew the rules before the game but greece going through is a travesty against football

I wouldnt really call it a travesty, Greece made its own luck and in the end Russians were just not good enough, its definitely a shocker but its not because of rules, its because Russians were quiet wasteful infront of the goal!

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by Amir Disagree. Cause essentially you can nick one game, as Greece just did and they go through. It encourages negative football. GD should be the way to go, the more positive you are, more likely you were offensively good!

Another good point, this time against 'head to head'.
So GD promotes positive offensive football whereas 'head to head' makes sure teams don't just rely on points table and play in a certain way to ensure their qualification and another team's elimination.

[James]

Hopefully Greece go out in the quarters, extremely average team.

[DHONI183]

This "head to head" system even in cricket is flawed. Period!

Originally Posted by Myrmidon lol i can see germany going out if denmark beat them and portugal beat holland

How? I mean, in this case three team´s will end up with two wins and a loss - Germany, Portugal and Denmark. How will this "head to head" system be applied if three teams end up with the same number of wins, losses and thus points?

[freelance_cricketer]

We may have a situation of 3 teams having same number of wins, defeats, points and GD in group B.

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer We may have a situation of 3 teams having same number of wins, defeats, points and GD in group B.

No..... Support Germany......

[freelance_cricketer]

Germany all the way but be aware of all possibilities to avoid a heart attack.

[PetroDollars]

Italy also can get sent home but i doubt the Croatians will hit 2 past Spain.

[Chicharito14Hernandez]

League - GD.
Group - H2H.

[Mohsin]

Head to head in a tourney group stage is fair enough...you beat them, you did your job imo

In terms of reality and what actually happened...really dissapointed, i really wanted Poland to go through (as theyre the hosts) and really wanted Russia to go through...instead we have an average boring Greece side and equally boring Czech side.

Gonna be a boring atmosphere too with both hosts out (hopefully Ukraine go out, i AM an England supporter after all lol) as well as Russia (who i saw as an 'unofficial host' with the proximity/support they got.

[talha3]

In a 3 game group stage, head to head is the best first criterion IMO. You're comparing two teams who have equal points. If team A won against team B, A deserves to go through over B. If their match was a draw, then by all means use GD.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by DHONI183 This "head to head" system even in cricket is flawed. Period! How? I mean, in this case three team´s will end up with two wins and a loss - Germany, Portugal and Denmark. How will this "head to head" system be applied if three teams end up with the same number of wins, losses and thus points?

If they have the same number of points then they look at GD involving those teams, if that is same then it goes down to goals scored in those games etc

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed If they have the same number of points then they look at GD involving those teams, if that is same then it goes down to goals scored in those games etc

Thanks. I was also thinking so.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Amir Disagree. Cause essentially you can nick one game, as Greece just did and they go through. It encourages negative football. GD should be the way to go, the more positive you are, more likely you were offensively good!

So Russia, by virtue of one good day against a crap Czech side should finish above a team they just lost to? In what world is that remotely just?

[Pakistaniboy]

Head to Head.

Its pity that Russia is out, But its their own fault.

[Myrmidon]

Originally Posted by DHONI183 This "head to head" system even in cricket is flawed. Period! How? I mean, in this case three team´s will end up with two wins and a loss - Germany, Portugal and Denmark. How will this "head to head" system be applied if three teams end up with the same number of wins, losses and thus points?

if denmark beat germany and portugal beat holland

and gd is not the same
i think it will be denmark ultimately because germany are first

if denmark beat germany they have a better head to head than germany? so they would go through wont they? and portugal have beaten denmark

germany could go out

thats what happened to russia

in a normal table would be second but because of head to head greece overtook them

if i understand this correctly

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by Myrmidon if denmark beat germany and portugal beat holland and gd is not the same i think it will be denmark ultimately because germany are first if denmark beat germany they have a better head to head than germany? so they would go through wont they? and portugal have beaten denmark germany could go out thats what happened to russia in a normal table would be second but because of head to head greece overtook them if i understand this correctly

Even though things went well but let us assume so.

Originally Posted by Myrmidon if denmark beat germany they have a better head to head than germany? so they would go through wont they? and portugal have beaten denmark

Yeah, but Germany have beaten Portugal too..... From what I know from cricket at least is that this "head to head" system does not apply if three teams end up with the same situation of wins, draws, losses and thus points.

[Kwremb]

So what happens if Croatia beats Spain and Italy beats Ireland today Spain, Italy & Croatia will be tied on equal points?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Kwremb So what happens if Croatia beats Spain and Italy beats Ireland today Spain, Italy & Croatia will be tied on equal points?

I don't think they will, Croatia have 4 points so a win today puts them on 7 points, Italy have 2 points so win today puts them on 5, Spain currently have 4 points so a loss today would keep them on 4 points and eliminated

[Kwremb]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I don't think they will, Croatia have 4 points so a win today puts them on 7 points, Italy have 2 points so win today puts them on 5, Spain currently have 4 points so a loss today would keep them on 4 points and eliminated

Sorry I messed up my calculation, what if Spain & Croatia win given Italy defeats Ireland? All 3 teams will be tied on 5 points?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Kwremb Sorry I messed up my calculation, what if Spain & Croatia win given Italy defeats Ireland? All 3 teams will be tied on 5 points?

I assume you mean Spain and Croatia draw?

In that case it depends on the score, a 0-0 between Spain-Croatia will put Spain and Italy through, a 1-1 will mean Italy need to better or equal Croatia's win over Ireland (3-1 win), a 2-2 draw or higher and it will be both Croatia and Spain going through

There are some fears in Italy that Spain and Croatia will conspire to draw 2-2 (or higher) to eliminate them

[Kwremb]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I assume you mean Spain and Croatia draw? In that case it depends on the score, a 0-0 between Spain-Croatia will put Spain and Italy through, a 1-1 will mean Italy need to better or equal Croatia's win over Ireland (3-1 win), a 2-2 draw or higher and it will be both Croatia and Spain going through There are some fears in Italy that Spain and Croatia will conspire to draw 2-2 (or higher) to eliminate them

Yeah my bad meant draw. I don't understand this, how do the score lines come in to the picture? Is it to do with goal difference?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Kwremb Yeah my bad meant draw. I don't understand this, how do the score lines come in to the picture? Is it to do with goal difference?

Yes GD, if that is level then goals scored

Firstly they just look at the GD between those teams that are tied on points, only if they are level do they go on overall goal difference