South Africa's Spin Bowler Issue continues..

[sticky_wkt]

South Africa is the best Test team especially the bowling unit as of now, but the Spin bowling has been their main weak point for long time. Today also fast bowlers did exceptionally when to restrict Pakistan to 33/4, but there was no support from spinners with old ball. Robin Peterson went for 85 in 19 overs without Wicket, almost 1/3 of runs scored in the first day.

Is it the pitches to be blamed or SA just don't have any test class bowler which is an essential ingredient to become a great test team?

[Savak]

Peterson was a major factor in SA relieving pressure on Pakistan. Pacers cannot bowl eternally, once a partnership develops you need spinners to come to the party.

[Supporter of Pak legends]

That's why SA should persist with Imran Tahir as even though he can prove extremely inconsistent and expensive, he can take a few wickets. In addition, he is effective at removing the tail quickly. On the other hand you have R.Peterson who is a non-spinning spin bowler. Although it doesn't matter if SA plays a spinner at home because their pitches are not really receptive to spin bowlers.

[leatherface58]

Any day of the week, Peterson, Harris, mannequin, cadavers >>>> Tahir. Tahir is one of the worst bowlers to ever play international cricket. He is so bad he isn't even a minnow basher. Averages above 35 against ALL the countries he has played against. You would think he would dominate us considering our weakness against spin but he can't even do that.

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Originally Posted by leatherface58 Any day of the week, Peterson, Harris, mannequin, cadavers >>>> Tahir. Tahir is one of the worst bowlers to ever play international cricket. He is so bad he isn't even a minnow basher. Averages above 35 against ALL the countries he has played against. You would think he would dominate us considering our weakness against spin but he can't even do that.

I agree with that but at least he is able to take one or two wickets. Still, it was hilarious to see Aus batsmen take him to the cleaners with an economy rate of 8 in the tests.

[leatherface58]

It was revenge for Bryce McGain's horror test debut

[chacha kashmiri]

south africa dont have a plan b, which is why they will never dominate like wi/aus

They are too one dimensional

Kallis used to be a good to go to bowler but it seems like his alopecia has coincided with him starting to run in like abdul razzaq

[leatherface58]

Haha Kallis and Razzaq being compared. Btw grandpa Kallis looked fine bouncing out Azhar Ali and troubling Pakistan batsmen in first test.

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by leatherface58 Haha Kallis and Razzaq being compared. Btw grandpa Kallis looked fine bouncing out Azhar Ali and troubling Pakistan batsmen in first test.

Razaaq used to bowl in like there was a spinach drought

Kallis was lethal in 2007 and he could still get more wkts then peterson even if he came in with his walking stick

[PakPosheeda]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri south africa dont have a plan b, which is why they will never dominate like wi/aus They are too one dimensional Kallis used to be a good to go to bowler but it seems like his alopecia has coincided with him starting to run in like abdul razzaq

I agree. Also I could never understand how a fat guy like Kallis could be considered a dangerous bowler. I guess every trundler is dangerous in South Africa as the wickets are made for them.

They're one trick ponies though. Asian batsmen are called FTBs if they cant perform in tough conditions but people like Steyn are considered ATGs for bowling teams out with the new ball in South Africa. Johannesburg wicket was like you're playing on a damn mountain.

As the going gets tough, the "tough" need to go. Steyn was obviously frustrated when he talked crap to YK, and then ran away as YK started to walk towards him. Wait till we face them in UAE where Steyn averaged 37 against us in the last series. Philander the trundler will go home crying.

[Justcrazy]

Every team has weakness. No team can be perfect.

[Kianig89]

De Lange or Tsotsobe would be very handy.........agaisnt PAkistan specially Tsotsobe left arm angle........even Rory would be good

[Amjid Javed]

S.A have never really had a top class test spinner and the conditions they play there home and domestic cricket in its very unlikely they will produce one going forward.

[saiyan0312]

south africa dont have a plan b, which is why they will never dominate like wi/aus

Agreed...... those teams had plan A,B,C,D and if they failed they would improvise an E plan.... their plan is the new ball...

[Jo_Don]

Just as you have to wait until both teams have batted to get a true assessment of the playing conditions, I'd wait until both teams have bowled. Let's see how Ajmal goes in the first innings.

[Kwremb]

I sometimes think they're better off playing another pace bowler

[Convict]

Originally Posted by saiyan0312 Agreed...... those teams had plan A,B,C,D and if they failed they would improvise an E plan.... their plan is the new ball...

I disagree.

The Windies and Australia were extremely predictable.

Bowling wise the Windies only had plan A. Plan A was so good however that only one or two individuals (such as Border) and no teams could deal with it. Richards was actually a poor captain for spinners.

Australia had an extra bow to their string because we had a good spinner as well as a good pace attack. If McGrath didn't bowl Australia to victory then Warne would.

[sticky_wkt]

Originally Posted by Jo_Don Just as you have to wait until both teams have batted to get a true assessment of the playing conditions, I'd wait until both teams have bowled. Let's see how Ajmal goes in the first innings.

What do you say now

[Jo_Don]

Originally Posted by sticky_wkt What do you say now

Think it's fairly obvious. Conditions are favourable to spin and Ajmal made better use of it than Peterson.

[Mamoon_Ghaffar]

Peterson is as horrible as Tahir.

[Bullet Drive]

Tahir would be a better option. Don't see PAK doing too well vs him

[Mamoon_Ghaffar]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Tahir would be a better option. Don't see PAK doing too well vs him

He will be taken to the cleaners

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar He will be taken to the cleaners

Pakistan have a thing of being troubled by mediocre spin bowlers. E.g. Ashley Giles even used to sometimes trouble Pakistan's batsmen even though all he did was bowl a negative line outside the leg stump. Nathan Hauritz also springs to mind.

[AFM]

Marcus North :p

The next Murali.

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Originally Posted by AFM Marcus North :p The next Murali.

Exactly what I mean. 6-fer against the Pakistan!