Its official - ICC is unbiased towards Asian Nations...

[MIG]

So its official - for all the talk of biased ICC officials, handling of corruption etc - we are told by Mr. Speed that its all a myth - so live with it !

I suppose its the same argument that I have heard in England "How can I be racist ? I know atleast 4 Asian people!"

From Cricinfo:

Speed denies ICC has anti-Asian bias Cricinfo staff June 17, 2006 Malcolm Speed, the chief executive of the ICC, has strongly dismissed recent complaints that the organisation is biased against Asian countries. "The ICC is sometimes criticised, and we read this from time to time and we get very offended by it, that we are biased against Asia and somehow we are alleged to be racist," he said in a speech to the Asian Cricket Council. "Our president [Ehsan Mani] is from Pakistan, the chairman of the cricket committee is from India and our chief referee is from Sri Lanka ... think about that for a moment." He added that the four Asian Test-playing countries were major commercial players, and that was one of the reasons the ICC relocated from Lord's in London to Dubai. At the time of the move it was claimed that the move had been caused by the British government's failure to offer the ICC tax concessions to remain in London. "Cricket's unique selling point, we hear that term from the marketers, is the Indian subcontinent. In those four countries there is a great passion for cricket. That is 22% of the world's population. They are huge economies that are growing rapidly. That is our unique selling point and too often we shy away from that. Much of our revenue now comes from that region and we should work very hard to make sure that continues to happen." "We moved to Asia. It was a deliberate move and there are good reasons to move to Asia. We are only a few hours from Delhi, Karachi, Colombo or Dhaka. We are not far from here (Kuala Lumpur) or South Africa, England, Australia or New Zealand. We can get where we need to be."

[Easa]

Then why do we never get 4-5 test series? The one against England is the first one in a very long time.

[Rob H]

Originally Posted by Easatheman Then why do we never get 4-5 test series? The one against England is the first one in a very long time.

That's the PCBs decision..... and it was the ECB who gave 4 tests, not the ICC.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Easatheman Then why do we never get 4-5 test series? The one against England is the first one in a very long time.

Yes as rh pointed out, the boards decide the number of tests to be played.

The ICC cound have done better with the 10-year program but that's more about money than racism.

[Easa]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[MIG]

Have 2 words for people who want to defend ICCs record: Chris Broad

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Have 2 words for people who want to defend ICCs record: Chris Broad

What about him

[KB]

Have 2 words for people who want to defend ICCs record: Chris Broad

I think he has been removed from the elite referee panel.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by ggm I think he has been removed from the elite referee panel.

He has indeed, but only after the irreversible damage that people suffered under his reign

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by ggm I think he has been removed from the elite referee panel.

Best. Decision. Ever. By the ICC anyway

[Tariq Jamshed]

The ICC is biased indeed - towards incompetence.

Any other claims of bias do not hold after even a little bit of scrutiny. As far as I am concerned, Speed's defense of ICC in that regard is needless, as personally I have never felt ICC to racially biased.

Now plain sheer incompetence is another matter altogether, and of course ICC isn't the only organization which suffers from it - though to the extent it does for a major sporting body is pretty sad. Don't think there is any equivalent of it in that regard

[akpower]

Originally Posted by ggm I think he has been removed from the elite referee panel.

really.. are u sure?

[akpower]

i just checked out of anxiety. chris broad is very much there in the ICC's list of referees!

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Tariq Jamshed The ICC is biased indeed - towards incompetence. Any other claims of bias do not hold after even a little bit of scrutiny. As far as I am concerned, Speed's defense of ICC in that regard is needless, as personally I have never felt ICC to racially biased. Now plain sheer incompetence is another matter altogether, and of course ICC isn't the only organization which suffers from it - though to the extent it does for a major sporting body is pretty sad. Don't think there is any equivalent of it in that regard

Incompetence, when repeated against Certain Countries, time and time again...starts looking more and more like 'The hell with them' kind of attitude; for me that really defines the racist attitude!

When a player, after being run out by his fellow team mate, in disgust throws his bat on the ground, on his way to the pavilion, and every Tom Dick and Harry could see that he is mad at his team mate and frustrated for not being able to take his team to victory...He gets suspended for What???

While a Ponting escapes any real punishment, after time and again arguing with umpires about 'Their Decisions' and a Lara snatches the ball out of the hand of an umpire...and then they are defended by words like "Oh they were well within the limits, they didn't break any laws etc...." If that is not racist attitude than what is racist!

For me it is simple, "If it looks like Bullshi.t, talks like it, and even smells like it...It definitely is!"

[Amir]

To add to Monsee's run out example, one also remember, Mr. Pontings choice of words at Mr. Fletcher after he was run out by one Gary Pratt.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Amir To add to Monsee's run out example, one also remember, Mr. Pontings choice of words at Mr. Fletcher after he was run out by one Gary Pratt.

If Ponting never gets suspended or fined, every time he argues with umpires; why is it that Inzi got suspended for excessive appealing...was Ponting just talking about the 'weekend weather' with those umpires

At the end of day, Mr Speed can say whatever the heck he believes...Asian players know they will be hanged for some of the stuff people like Warne, McGrath, Ponting, and Co. get away with for fun

[Saqlain_doosra]

ICC is just a talk shop. As mr speed says, they use asian conutries for commercial prupose and nothing else.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Monsee If Ponting never gets suspended or fined, every time he argues with umpires; why is it that Inzi got suspended for excessive appealing...was Ponting just talking about the 'weekend weather' with those umpires At the end of day, Mr Speed can say whatever the heck he believes...Asian players know they will be hanged for some of the stuff people like Warne, McGrath, Ponting, and Co. get away with for fun

Speaking of McGrath, he had some choice words to Sarwan and did not even get a slap on the wrist. Shoaib Akthar, says F U out of frustration since he coudln't get ADams out and what happens to him? Suspended for a test match. Now isn't Akthars case same as Mcgrath or Lara's because he said it out of frustration just like they did.

To quote ICC:

"Cricket is an emotional, passionate game but, at the same time, there is a thin line between an expression of frustration or disappointment and something more serious"

So what is that thin line? What is more serious...two words or snatching the ball from the umpires hand?

Those who do not think ICC is harder on Asian players shall be deemed as legally blind as there are many instacnes which can be reviewed.

P.S Monsee, we make quite the team

[Tariq Jamshed]

Here are the incidents/penalties by ICC for this year so far:

http://www.icc-cricket.com/rules/penalties/2006.html

I do not see any evidence of any racial discrimination. I do, however, can cite inconsistent standards, but that has no relation with race at all.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Tariq Jamshed Here are the incidents/penalties by ICC for this year so far: http://www.icc-cricket.com/rules/penalties/2006.html I do not see any evidence of any racial discrimination. I do, however, can cite inconsistent standards, but that has no relation with race at all.

What that site fails to recgonize is the people who got off scotch free..ala McGrath and Sarwan incident. (I know it was not in this year, but this has been a ongoing issue for several years and this site misses those who do just got nothing).

[Invictus]

Those decisions are made by match refrees not the ICC and you would notices that more often then not its the asian match refrees that let the australian, english and west indians players off the hook with only a warning. You can't blame ICC for that its the fault of the asian match refrees without a pair of kahonas.

[Asim2Good]

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[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Invictus Those decisions are made by match refrees not the ICC and you would notices that more often then not its the asian match refrees that let the australian, english and west indians players off the hook with only a warning. You can't blame ICC for that its the fault of the asian match refrees without a pair of kahonas.

Last time I checked, Chris Broad and Lloyd, two of the most controversial referees in terms of cutting slack to non-Asians and bringing down the Chainsaw when they see a poor Asian player, were both Non-Asian...

Add Mike Denesee and a few more...the only two controversial guys not being given a term as a referee are Gatting and Botham; the way things are usually stacked up against us, they might as well make them both in the near future and then Speed will say "Both these two excellent individuals are a fine and shinning light of humility and Reverse Swing Expertise...and ICC is only richer due to their expertise"

[MIG]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen "How can I be racist ? I know atleast 4 Asian people!"

QED....

[Easa]

Agree completely with Monsee and Amir.

Kaneria, tells Clarke to **** of after getting him out and he is fined his whole match fee. McGrath can say whatever he likes to Sarwan, and Brett Lee can verbally abuse the batsman to no end, no problems. A little consistency, please?

[Usman]

Consistency from the ICC? You must be joking! It’s all very well that Asians are involved in the structure of the ICC at some high positions, but it is in fact positions such as referees that actually have an affect on the players, not some group of people sitting in a 5 star hotel signing papers away. If the ICC wants to get rid of its tag of racism, then it should not just simply employ Asians but make sure that there are fairer officials present at the ground where the match is being played. Chris Broad is a prime example of racism as many have already mentioned. He seems to go by two sets of books, one called the ICC code of conduct for Asians and second, the ICC code of conduct for the rest. Until the ICC deals with racism in vital areas such as this, they will continually be labelled, and quite understandably, as a racist organisation.

[Faisal Akhtar]

Rashid Latif takes an unfair catch - gets a 5 match ban!

Gerrient Jones takes an unfair catch ( against Bangladesh i think?)- ICC turns blind eye!

Ian Bell takes an unfair catch (against Pakistan) - ICC turns blind eye!

[waqar_ahmad]

ICC is a pathetic organization, and Malcom SPeed likes to bulllshit a lot. y r all the asian bowlers called for suspect bowling actions (at least most of them r asians). y r guys like darel hair still umpiring? how come ponting can get away with murder and afridi is told to keep his mouth shut by rudi. and some of the asians that r on the panel r incompetent or biased themselves, like sunil gavasker who favors india, gets away with it, makes rule like the super sub. and thinks that he is always rite. ICC is just a load of crap