Ijaz Butt interview with the BBC

[pakforegin]

Just saw Butt tell a BBC reporter that Butt, Amir and Asif will play the T20 and ODI series. He says that that won't change until there is better evdience.

[sazz]

butt.jpg

[Gollum]

Begining to believe yesterday's Aaj Kamran Khan Key Sath.

[Fazz]

his on now its true!!!

'here to play immediately'

[Sledger]

Originally Posted by gollumbird Begining to believe yesterday's Aaj Kamran Khan Key Sath.

Wonder how big Ijaz's cut was.

[Sherlock]

Disgraceful, I just can't see how Pakistan look good from this. If a chance is dropped, and run out missed will the crowd boo, you damn right they will.

[BoomBoomAli]

Why are we such a laughing stock? I feel like a guy whose wife has cheated on him with four different guys and now I'm walking with her in public as if nothings happened.

[Cobra]

Ijazz Butt
The disgrace of our nation

[atif.raza]

I absolutely support Ijaz Butt here.

If the players are found innocent, why on earth do the fans still want them banned? What crack are the fans smoking

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by gollumbird Begining to believe yesterday's Aaj Kamran Khan Key Sath.

what did kamran khan show say?

[Gollum]

Where does this leave Afridi now?

[pakforegin]

To be more precise, he says that unless the players are charged, they will play.

[saeed-sohail]

This was expected.They are all at it.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Disgraceful, I just can't see how Pakistan look good from this. If a chance is dropped, and run out missed will the crowd boo, you damn right they will.

Which crowds cheers for their players after they drop a catch?

Match-fixers or not - everyone gets booed for dropping catches by their own fans.

Nothing unusual in that.

[Gollum]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom what did kamran khan show say?

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=105046

[BoomBoomAli]

Originally Posted by atif.raza I absolutely support Ijaz Butt here. If the players are found innocent, why on earth do the fans still want them banned? What crack are the fans smoking

If you as a father knew your son was guilty for murder but the authorities couldn't prove it, would you still act as if nothing has happened?

[Cryin Out Loud]

Originally Posted by pakforegin Just saw Butt tell a BBC reporter that Butt, Amir and Asif will play the T20 and ODI series. He says that that won't change until there is better evdience.

Earlier I got the sense from other reports that the ECB was 'insisting' that these three do not play.

If ECB's stance was as reported, does this put PCB and ECB on a collision course?

[Fazz]

he said they had talks with giles clarke, scotland yard and they agreed aswell....

[ScotRaz]

There is nothing on the BBC website about this. And that would be big news.

[saeed-sohail]

Butt you are a disgrace.

[atif.raza]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli If you as a father knew your son was guilty for murder but the authorities couldn't prove it, would you still act as if nothing has happened?

Once again, an extremely weak logic been used.

Why oh Why will i assume that my son is guilty for murder if no authorities can prove it? Why will i go out of my way to accuse my son of something for which zero evidence exist.

[pakforegin]

Originally Posted by ScotRaz There is nothing on the BBC website about this. And that would be big news.

It will be on BBC website soon I'm sure.

[Fazz]

Originally Posted by ScotRaz There is nothing on the BBC website about this. And that would be big news.

i just heard it, the news reporter looked abit shocked!!

[atif.raza]

Originally Posted by Fazz he said they had talks with giles clarke, scotland yard and they agreed aswell....

Yes they have to agree

It's commonSense101 which most of PP fans either dont lack or are too dumb to see.

In any democracy, a man is innocent until proven guilty. If no evidence can be found against the accused, why on good earth do our moronic fans still want to see them banned? What decent logic exists for this

[Sufi Malang]

Well heres my take on this issue now. There could be only two possible scanarios how the PCB will act.

Scanerio 1: If the PCB gives harsh punishments like life BAN etc. then it will mean that PCB is clean and has done a fair job and that the players were guilty hence punished.

Scanerio 2: If the PCB is hell bent on saving these players, hiring lawyers to find loop holes in how to save these players, then i am afraid the people who believe PCB is also involved in match fixing would be damn right.

The only other possible scenario could be if Scotland Yard report and ICC clears the players if there ain't enough evidence which i highly doubt

[Desire]

whoever is the architect. he is a brilliant one. i still dont know who is who in this. absolutely confused. totally!!

[Noork85]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli If you as a father knew your son was guilty for murder but the authorities couldn't prove it, would you still act as if nothing has happened?

lol this 'logic' is wrong on so many levels. not even worth explaining.

[BoomBoomAli]

Originally Posted by atif.raza Once again, an extremely weak logic been used. Why oh Why will i assume that my son is guilty for murder if no authorities can prove it? Why will i go out of my way to accuse my son of something for which zero evidence exist.

Oh my, are you living in a bubble? Did you not see them two MASSIVE no balls? Did you not watch Kamran Akmal drop all them dollys? Did you not watch the Sydney test match?

ARE YOU AS STUPID AS YOU SOUND RIGHT NOW?

[Sledger]

If we leave the suspected fixing aside for one moment and suppose they do make the XI, will these players actually be in any fit state of mind to play the games? Most of their own fans have already labelled them guilty anyway.

[Cobra]

What Ijaz Butt really wants to say is.....

"until i dont get my cut from the players involved i cant comment on the matter further"

[ScotRaz]

Butt saab is an oxygen thief!

[classic]

come on guys we need to be united in this ...If they are innocent and have been framed then back them with open heart ..

What did you do at the oval fiasco ....did you insult Inzi or back the team.

[Fazz]

it wasnt just butt, the high comissioner and ecb agreed aswell...

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by atif.raza I absolutely support Ijaz Butt here. If the players are found innocent, why on earth do the fans still want them banned? What crack are the fans smoking

These fans are crackheads man they've came to their own conclusions.

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli If you as a father knew your son was guilty for murder but the authorities couldn't prove it, would you still act as if nothing has happened?

How do you know team is guilty?

[atif.raza]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli Oh my, are you living in a bubble? Did you not see them two MASSIVE no balls? Did you not watch Kamran Akmal drop all them dollys? Did you not watch the Sydney test match? ARE YOU AS STUPID AS YOU SOUND RIGHT NOW?

Kamran dropped all those dollys. To me, that means he is incompetent. It is extremely offensive to accuse a player of match fixing simply because you feel emotional about these events. There has been zero evidence on Kamran. Scotland yard has declared him innocent. I don't understand why then you are hell bent on assasinating a man character? What if i accuse you of being a rapist simply because you sound so ridiculous from your posts?

The no balls happened but if that is the sole evidence then it is an extremely weak evidence in the higher courts. What if Mazhar actually called 50 deliveries that could potentially be no balls and he got two hits? That video for all i know could have been condensed edited version of the true events that happened. NO DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY WILL USE THAT AS A SOLE EVIDENCE TO CALL PLAYERS FOR MATCH FIXING.

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Fazz it wasnt just butt, the high comissioner and ecb agreed aswell...

that puts the "ECB refuse to have these players in the team" suggestion to rest.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Fazz it wasnt just butt, the high comissioner and ecb agreed aswell...

Interesting.

Seems nothing substantial has come out of the reports by SY. Not enough to warrant a suspension at least. SY will take their time.

This would be the only reason for everyone agreeing to let them play.

[T20_Cricket]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli Oh my, are you living in a bubble? Did you not see them two MASSIVE no balls? Did you not watch Kamran Akmal drop all them dollys? Did you not watch the Sydney test match? ARE YOU AS STUPID AS YOU SOUND RIGHT NOW?

India 88 per all out ho gaya thah against a very weak team NZ.India was thrashed by Zimbabwe as well .Does that Mean the match was fixed?Even if I say the match was fixed but then again I have to prove how was that fixed.

[chui_kadoo]

Imagine if Butt plays and then either he gets run out or drops a sitter. It would be better off If these player did not play until the investigation is complete.
In any case mentally they would be shattered and probably will not be in any state of mind to give there best performance. Stupid decision to play them. U can imagine the crowds reaction If they do play

[Prince_Pathan]

Originally Posted by atif.raza I absolutely support Ijaz Butt here. If the players are found innocent, why on earth do the fans still want them banned? What crack are the fans smoking

we are smoking the crack...of JUSTICE...

lol

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli Oh my, are you living in a bubble? Did you not see them two MASSIVE no balls? Did you not watch Kamran Akmal drop all them dollys? Did you not watch the Sydney test match? ARE YOU AS STUPID AS YOU SOUND RIGHT NOW?

It's a post - there is no sound.

Anyway, you seem to already have declared them guilty.

[saeed-sohail]

I have been saying for 15 years match fixing goes on everywhere and most teams are involved.Now ICC ECB and PCB will save these players at any cost.

[AZ]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail I have been saying for 15 years match fixing goes on everywhere and most teams are involved.Now ICC ECB and PCB will save these players at any cost.

are you ?

[Fazz]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Interesting. Seems nothing substantial has come out of the reports by SY. Not enough to warrant a suspension at least. SY will take their time. This would be the only reason for everyone agreeing to let them play.

he said they had long talks with all of them

[saeed-sohail]

This is a disgrace.

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by t20_cricket india 88 per all out ho gaya thah against a very weak team nz.india was thrashed by zimbabwe as well .does that mean the match was fixed?even if i say the match was fixed but then again i have to prove how was that fixed.

[BoomBoomAli]

I just think its too much of a coincidence, I cant watch the team I love any more because the doubt in my head is too much, if they don't play then I would be happy.

The rest of the world would look at us like were all the same if we don't send the message and ban these guys.

[ScotRaz]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom How do you know team is guilty?

Mr Venom, on a side note, who is the picture off in your posts? Pablo Escobar or Har Mar Superstar?...just curious....

PS. I'm putting ALL my money on PAK to win the 1st 20/20, they gonna come out all guns blazing.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Fazz he said they had long talks with all of them

They probably discussed all the legal possibilities behind suspending the players.

All three might not even get selected into the Final XI. Asif won't for sure due to the other bowlers.

[Sledger]

Veena has said that match fixing has been taking place. What more do you people want?

[T20_Cricket]

Originally Posted by Sledger Veena has said that match fixing has been taking place. What more do you people want?

Can you trust Veena Malik?
No one can replace Asif: Veena Malik
Pakistani actress Veena Malik has confessed that her heart still beats for fast bowler Muhammad Asif. She said that the house built for Asif is even vacant today.
According to a statement given to media, Venna said she prays for Asif’s success. However she admitted that she cannot stand any girl who takes her place in Asif's life. She informed that her engagement was decided by her parents and she has accepted the decision as her destiny, though no one can replace Asif from her heart.
http://www.dunyanews.tv/main_categor...catid=6&flag=d

[Prince_Pathan]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar are you ?

az out of sheer curiosity...why do you have a picture of sarfaraz nawaz

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar are you ?

His biggest fan.

[pakforegin]

Scotland Yard won't rush their investagations. Look at the Kaneria and Essex case - that's still going on after 4-5 months. So unless the ICC step in (which they probably won't), it's likely that Butt, Amir and Asif will play on sunday.

[BoomBoomAli]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 It's a post - there is no sound. Anyway, you seem to already have declared them guilty.

Definitely, I openly admit it, there is adequate proof of fixing, I don't care if there's not enough proof to convict them, for me it is a dead cert that there was spot fixing.

[billllal]

Originally Posted by Sledger Veena has said that match fixing has been taking place. What more do you people want?

do u really think veena is a reliable source shame on u if u think like this, where the hell she was till now y dint she inform pcb before one hell of a *****

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Prince_Pathan az out of sheer curiosity...why do you have a picture of sarfaraz nawaz

just for a laugh

[BoomBoomAli]

Originally Posted by billllal do u really think veena is a reliable source shame on u if u think like this, where the hell she was till now y dint she inform pcb before one hell of a *****

He was being sarcastic.

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by ScotRaz Mr Venom, on a side note, who is the picture off in your posts? Pablo Escobar or Har Mar Superstar?...just curious.... PS. I'm putting ALL my money on PAK to win the 1st 20/20, they gonna come out all guns blazing.

Pablo I don't know who Har Mar is lol. Pablo is a bit of a legend IMO not for his drug dealing but just was a cool guy

[atif.raza]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli Definitely, I openly admit it, there is adequate proof of fixing, I don't care if there's not enough proof to convict them, for me it is a dead cert that there was spot fixing.

For me, it is dead cert that there is proof you were the person who stole badaaam from Khala Reshmaniyaan in her park. Prove me wrong

[saeed-sohail]

Ban me? Why?

[Fazz]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 They probably discussed all the legal possibilities behind suspending the players. All three might not even get selected into the Final XI. Asif won't for sure due to the other bowlers.

the reporter asked ijaz butt twice he could believe it he said 'can the 3 players play the next match on sunday', ijaz 'said they can start to play today LOL

[cricmylife]

Originally Posted by ahmed zulfiqar are you ?

[AZ]

let's stick to the point please, guys...ek doosre se matt laro

[BoomBoomAli]

Originally Posted by atif.raza For me, it is dead cert that there is proof you were the person who stole badaaam from Khala Reshmaniyaan in her park. Prove me wrong

Your right, I did, what ever the hell your going on about. What the hell is Khala Reshmaniyaan?

[T20_Cricket]

Originally Posted by atif.raza For me, it is dead cert that there is proof you were the person who stole badaaam from Khala Reshmaniyaan in her park. Prove me wrong

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Fazz the reporter asked ijaz butt twice he could believe it he said 'can the 3 players play the next match on sunday', ijaz 'said they can start to play today LOL

Ijaz Butt always pulls off the impossible. BBC reporter left with his jaw hanging.

[KA$H]

you know in a funny way for once i kind of respect Ijaz Butt stance - he's been consistent for once

i was expecting all kind of flip flops on this issue

[Xohaib]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli Your right, I did, what ever the hell your going on about. What the hell is Khala Reshmaniyaan?

He ate them all,no proof.
bichari khala reshmiyan

[Sledger]

Originally Posted by KA$H i was expecting all kind of flip flops on this issue

Tomorrow is a new day.
Scratch that, the next hour will be fresh for all sorts of U turn possibilities.

[Prince_Pathan]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar just for a laugh

i c i had begun to think he was your new idol since the butt allegations lol

[Faisalabadimunda]

Originally Posted by pakforegin Just saw Butt tell a BBC reporter that Butt, Amir and Asif will play the T20 and ODI series. He says that that won't change until there is better evdience.

plz can you give us the link for that video.

[Fazz]

Originally Posted by Faisalabadimunda plz can you give us the link for that video.

theres no link should be on the website in abit..

[pakforegin]

Originally Posted by Faisalabadimunda plz can you give us the link for that video.

It's not up yet but i wil give you the link when it is mate.

[kingusama92]

Please do post the video link when it comes out.

Thanks for the updates.

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAli Oh my, are you living in a bubble? Did you not see them two MASSIVE no balls? Did you not watch Kamran Akmal drop all them dollys? Did you not watch the Sydney test match? ARE YOU AS STUPID AS YOU SOUND RIGHT NOW?

[Cobra]

Ijaz Butt.....
i still remember him trying to sneak into the team photo after the win against australia in the tests.....

baaz ni achna

[Sherlock]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Which crowds cheers for their players after they drop a catch? Match-fixers or not - everyone gets booed for dropping catches by their own fans. Nothing unusual in that.

Booed is the wrong word, but the crowd Pakistani/English would definitely have doubts about that specific player

[saamry]

Originally Posted by Sledger Wonder how big Ijaz's cut was.

Dont feel too bad, Ijaz has to provide a little cut to his boss as well.