PCB Left to Hang and Dry

[Saj]

Based on the body language and statements of Haroon Lorgat today at the press conference, it would seem to me that the PCB is very much on it's own now and that they are going to receive very little, if any support from the cricket world governing body.

The PCB should really have kept on side with the ICC and worked closely with them, instead of this clear divide.

Stupid statements from the Pak High Commisioner have not helped matters.

[Mian Hassan]

The PCB and the high commisioners have handled this sooo stupid like the handle everything

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Saj Based on the body language and statements of Haroon Lorgat today at the press conference, it would seem to me that the PCB is very much on it's own now and that they are going to receive very little, if any support from the cricket world governing body. The PCB should really have kept on side with the ICC and worked closely with them, instead of this clear divide. Stupid statements from the Pak High Commisioner have not helped matters.

I started a thread on this yesterday, the ICC gave the PCB plenty of room to take a mature and decisve roll but they have continued to live in denial and probably made it worse for their own players.

[MIG]

Incompentence at the highest level - inability to analyse the facts at hand and a corrupt mindset. PCB.

[Schickelgruber]

Well I for one was hoping PCB could work closely with ICC and at least get someone one on their side, so much for that.

[Markhor]

PCB and Ijaz Butt are nowhere to be seen.The High Commissioner's comments about a set-up reeks of a 'Us vs Them' mentality.Why not cooperate,make things clearer and not speculate on set-ups and conspiracies.This denial mode is not helping.

[KA$H]

i think this is going to escalate further

the way teh PCB & HC have been posturing i wouldn't rule out a cancellation of the tour

a cut your nose to spite your face type action

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The PCB is no loss, everyone has seen how incompetent and amateurish they are in any case. If that is the best representatives we can come up with then we are better off without cricket being played in Pakistan.

[Maula Jutt]

Well all we can hope is that this prompts a change in the PCB management from head to toe.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by KA$H i think this is going to escalate further the way teh PCB & HC have been posturing i wouldn't rule out a cancellation of the tour a cut your nose to spite your face type action

Wouldnt surprise me Kash.

However the PCB need to keep the ECB on side, regards to future series in England, if that happens.

Also the financial aspects come into it - the ECB would probably sue the PCB if they walked out of the tour.

[Blistering Barnacle]

It's kind of shocking that someone of the HC's incompetence is actually the HC.

It's one thing having Butt run the PCB, but having this guy as HC to such an important country??

[SameerM]

why should pcb suck up?

ECB needs PAKISTAN!!!! its a £10 million deal.... a big loss if pak dont play


its 3 no balls for giles clarkes sake! not a match losing performance!!!!!!

[Indieview]

Well the Tour would go on .. Too much Financial numbers is at stake for ECB... They will not cancel the tour.... TV rights with SKY runs into millions of dollars

Remember this is home series for Pakistan and ECB invited Pakistan to host in England ..

[qamar84]

all of you people want to do what icc is saying whyyyyyy??????????????

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Saj Wouldnt surprise me Kash. However the PCB need to keep the ECB on side, regards to future series in England, if that happens. Also the financial aspects come into it - the ECB would probably sue the PCB if they walked out of the tour.

Zardari should withdraw some of the money from his swiss bank account and pay the bill. Far better than fulfilling a tour through legal posturing. After inflicting his buffoon of a High Commissioner on the world in public it's the least he could do.

[Schickelgruber]

Watch your words guys, HC might be the next president of Pakistan.

[*sallu*]

PCB have been asking for it for years and years and years

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by Indieview Well the Tour would go on .. Too much Financial numbers is at stake for ECB... They will not cancel the tour.... TV rights with SKY runs into millions of dollars Remember this is home series for Pakistan and ECB invited Pakistan to host in England ..

Pakistan's series with Australia was home series for Pak.

I believe this current series with England is England's home series.

[wasim-fan]

Originally Posted by Saj Based on the body language and statements of Haroon Lorgat today at the press conference, it would seem to me that the PCB is very much on it's own now and that they are going to receive very little, if any support from the cricket world governing body. The PCB should really have kept on side with the ICC and worked closely with them, instead of this clear divide. Stupid statements from the Pak High Commisioner have not helped matters.

What would have done differently, Saj bhai? Not defending the PCB, just wondering.

[Blistering Barnacle]

I guess the HC can always point at his boss and say at least he wasn't that bad:


What Zardari said after shaking Palin's hand will likely prove a great deal less memorable. "You are more gorgeous than you are on [television]," he told Palin after she declared that she was honored to meet him. "Now I know why the whole of America is crazy about you," Zardari added, flashing his trademark teeth-baring smile.

At that point, the two were urged to shake hands again, presumably for the benefit of the cameras. "I'm supposed to pose again," Palin said quietly. Pointing toward the aide that prompted them, Zardari said, "If he's insisting, I might hug."



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz0ySuOu9Nq

[Saj]

Originally Posted by wasim-fan What would have done differently, Saj bhai? Not defending the PCB, just wondering.

WF, the High Commisioner should have kept his trap shut for starters. He should have simply said that we have spoken to the players and they say they are innocent. We are working with the ICC and ACSU and assisting in helping to resolve this matter.

Ijaz Butt should have appeared at a press conference with Lorgat and Flanagan and stated that the PCB are working with the ICC and ACSU and the ECB.

Behind the scenes disagree and whatever else, but in public dont make stupid statements that isolate you.

[SOSami]

It would be a disaster for Pakistan to put their cricketing future in the hands of the ICC and subsequently relying on the goodwill of an organisation that has never been a friend of the PCB.

Was it not the same organisation that gave Darrell Hair for series after series despite being informed discreetly by the PCB of the potential for disaster? The Ovalgate incident was fully the ICC's fault and could have been prevented, instead of being deliberately incouraged. There are many other issues that could be listed too.

The Pakistani High Commissioner may well have access to information that goes beyond cricketing circles that is making him act in such a manner. Pakistan have employed top London lawyers as advisers who obviously will be involved in such decisions.

The HC yesterday was slated by so many people on this board for his tough stance on the issue, which many speculated resulted in the ICC's rapid decision to suspend the players. It's now clear that the ICC may have already made the decision prior to his comments.

I heard the HC on 5Live this morning maintaining the players innocence. The halls of power always have more in-depth information than those played out in the shallow media. Yet again, lets wait and see.
What we would all do to have Shahriar Khan managing this situation - a true diplomat.

[KA$H]

^^ @BB - that zardari's quite a charming rogue in a sleazebag kind of way

[moumotta]

Out of curiosity, why has Ijaz Butt gone quiet while the high commissioner does all the talking. He doesn't seem to be much of an improvement on Butt and his comments appear to be more for home consumption.

[Golden arm]

I was wondering now: why Mr Big Butt supported Sharad Powar ?
Clearly it seems ICC acted in haste:
Also in press conference haroon Logat said : I indicated.

now Indicated : How ??? very dodgy

seems fishy to me now.

He didnt say anything clear rather indicated: ???????

why?

now i clearly believe sharad powar did dictate this.

anyways big stupidity on part of PCB: they should have isolated the players for their repurtation and country's image sake: given them mental rest , rather than leaving things in hands of ICC.

[Schickelgruber]

I think HC dug the graves for PAK cricket even deeper.

[Blistering Barnacle]

Originally Posted by moumotta Out of curiosity, why has Ijaz Butt gone quiet while the high commissioner does all the talking. He doesn't seem to be much of an improvement on Butt and his comments appear to be more for home consumption.

I don't know, but I think the HC might have misjudged the reception his comments will get in Pakistan...

[Indieview]

According to HC .. Mr Ijaz Butt is on a another assignment

One of the journalist put this question to HC, to which he replied above, clearly there is no PCB now

[Blistering Barnacle]

Originally Posted by Indieview According to HC .. Mr Ijaz Butt is on a another assignment

He's probably been sent to handle delicate negotiations over Kashmir with India.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It does make you wonder if PCB is headed for a scorched earth policy here. ICC's hands are hardly clean and the introduction of the High Commissioner (idiot that he is) might signal a move to hit back hard with their own revelations.

[ShehryarK]

The PCB deserve everything that's coming to them.... they acted with complete and utter incompetence.

Sad to say that now Pakistan as a whole and the Pakistani team are out on their own, because of the shambles that is the PCB!!

Originally Posted by wasim-fan What would have done differently, Saj bhai? Not defending the PCB, just wondering.

I posted a thread on PCB's incompetence 4 days and its impact on Pak cricket:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=104716

Sad to say its all come true...

[Amoeba]

As I have said repeatedly I'm not sure the PCB realises that it is fighting for its very existence. They probably believe that they are still in Pakistan where they can sweep it under the carpet by bribing a judge who has a soft corner for the players to make a poor village boy a scapgoat whilst the stars get off.

There is no doubt that if this had happened in Pakistan, firstly it would have been dismissed as masala news by the majority of posters here, and then Umin Amin would have probably been banned whilst the rest get off scot free.

If the players are found guilty I feel that the ICC will come down hard on the PCB. Given the way it is going at the moment the world, not just the ICC, has no confidence in the PCB so a ban from international cricket cannot be ruled out. If the PCB had shown itself to be a willing partner to clear up this mess it would have only have been tough recommendations.

Oh well bye bye PCB and bye bye Pakistan from International cricket.

[Im Suds]

Originally Posted by Saj Based on the body language and statements of Haroon Lorgat today at the press conference, it would seem to me that the PCB is very much on it's own now and that they are going to receive very little, if any support from the cricket world governing body. The PCB should really have kept on side with the ICC and worked closely with them, instead of this clear divide. Stupid statements from the Pak High Commisioner have not helped matters.

Yep-the chickens are coming home to roost

[sal2010]

why does it suprise anyone this is a country where no one is repsonsible for ANYTHING it is always an outside force that defaming/causing trouble etc etc

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Amoeba As I have said repeatedly I'm not sure the PCB realises that it is fighting for its very existence. They probably believe that they are still in Pakistan where they can sweep it under the carpet by bribing a judge who has a soft corner for the players to make a poor village boy a scapgoat whilst the stars get off. There is no doubt that if this had happened in Pakistan, firstly it would have been dismissed as masala news by the majority of posters here, and then Umin Amin would have probably been banned whilst the rest get off scot free. If the players are found guilty I feel that the ICC will come down hard on the PCB. Given the way it is going at the moment the world, not just the ICC, has no confidence in the PCB so a ban from international cricket cannot be ruled out. If the PCB had shown itself to be a willing partner to clear up this mess it would have only have been tough recommendations. Oh well bye bye PCB and bye bye Pakistan from International cricket.

As the Shane Warne betting scandal a few years ago showed the ICC is not above sweeping things under the carpet itself. I don't see the PCB being under any threat as the TV deals must be on the back of a fair percentage of Pakistani fans subscribing to channels which cover Pakistan cricket.

Despite the somewhat hypocritical outrage shown by the ICC, cricket needs Pakistan and is worse off without it.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat As the Shane Warne betting scandal a few years ago showed the ICC is not above sweeping things under the carpet itself. I don't see the PCB being under any threat as the TV deals must be on the back of a fair percentage of Pakistani fans subscribing to channels which cover Pakistan cricket. Despite the somewhat hypocritical outrage shown by the ICC, cricket needs Pakistan and is worse off without it.

CR, I was talking to a Sri Lankan journalist yesterday and he said that the PCB are worthless to the ICC at the moment are like a "naughty stepchild" who keeps getting into trouble again and again.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Saj CR, I was talking to a Sri Lankan journalist yesterday and he said that the PCB are worthless to the ICC at the moment are like a "naughty stepchild" who keeps getting into trouble again and again.

I wouldn't disagree with that, but it isn't as if the ICC has power to appoint members of the PCB according to who they like, any more than it is in our hands as fans. We have to grit our teeth and bear it or just kick Pakistan cricket out of the game for the foreseeable future. Again, I'm not sure cricket has a big enough worldwide following to alienate one of it's largest support bases.

[Golden arm]

Originally Posted by Indieview According to HC .. Mr Ijaz Butt is on a another assignment One of the journalist put this question to HC, to which he replied above, clearly there is no PCB now

lolz

I wonder what could be that important assignment.

more important than this crisis.

plus ijaz butt is clearly above 70 (real age 80) so this doesnt seem to be linked to women

[Saj]

Had this been some of the other cricket boards, the press statement today would have been a joint one with the Board, ICC and ACSU.

Instead what we saw were the PCB on the sidelines and very much on their own.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Saj Had this been some of the other cricket boards, the press statement today would have been a joint one with the Board, ICC and ACSU. Instead what we saw were the PCB on the sidelines and very much on their own.

The ICC have tried to work with the PCB but it seems that the PCB is intent on confrontation.

[iRfaN_LA]

From top to bottom, all departments of Pak gov are corrupt, It starts with Zardari and does not end at Ijaz Butt or Wajid Shamsul hasan. And then we expect the world to respect what these corrupt / incompetent people? No!! the fault lies within.

[Maula Jutt]

Well the PCB is definitely not made up of professionals. So why are people here expecting them to act professionally?

[Indieview]

Originally Posted by Saj Had this been some of the other cricket boards, the press statement today would have been a joint one with the Board, ICC and ACSU. Instead what we saw were the PCB on the sidelines and very much on their own.

Valid Point Saj.. instead of working together to solve the mess, PCB is now seen as outsider in ICC, needlessly HC poked their nose in dealing with ICC.

A wrong move from PCB

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Fish The ICC have tried to work with the PCB but it seems that the PCB is intent on confrontation.

Strange days Fish - I actually agree with what you say !

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Maula Jutt Well the PCB is definitely not made up of professionals. So why are people here expecting them to act professionally?

Which is why I have always maintained that there should be ex-professionals in the PCB. Or at least people who aren't imbeciles.

[akhtar]

ICC made the right move in suspending the players because pcb did not want to make that decision or they are trying to cover the whole situation. Well pcb are in for a shock because were not in pakistan were you can do sarfarish and get away with a lot of issues, this is uk and scotland yard are well known throughout the world in dealing with any cases.

HC was just seeking publicity for himself posing with the cigar and chewing gum ( he must have forgot that were in month of ramazan) kamina has seriously messed the whole case what a dumb buffoon. its getting dumb (Hc) and dumbrer(ijaz butt) with these 2 at the helm situation is going to get worse.

[PapaBear]

Originally Posted by Blistering Barnacle It's kind of shocking that someone of the HC's incompetence is actually the HC. It's one thing having Butt run the PCB, but having this guy as HC to such an important country??

He is the man who had moved evidence against Zordari, in Switzerland, he was seen on TV in a video moving boxes of evidence overnight after Pakistan withdrew the cases against Zordari. What do you expect from him?

Jaisa baab waisa beta. Incompetence, incompetence, incompetence.

they thought a diplomat would be able to better handle this so they kept PCB away but this guy has screwed it up big time.

[cricmylife]

Originally Posted by *sallu* PCB have been asking for it for years and years and years

They've got it now! and I think it serves them right. Hope is that this process will not only weed out the bad players but also our incompetent admins.

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by ShehryarK The PCB deserve everything that's coming to them.... they acted with complete and utter incompetence. Sad to say that now Pakistan as a whole and the Pakistani team are out on their own, because of the shambles that is the PCB!! I posted a thread on PCB's incompetence 4 days and its impact on Pak cricket: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=104716 Sad to say its all come true...

Absolutely, stupid is what stupid does, why do we expect anything better from PCB? They've shown time and time again to be a joke organization.

[Amoeba]

The problem is that, as always, it will be the ordinary people of Pakistan who will pay for the elite's incompetencies. If the PCB gets spanked we cannot rule out a ban from International cricket.

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by moumotta Out of curiosity, why has Ijaz Butt gone quiet while the high commissioner does all the talking. He doesn't seem to be much of an improvement on Butt and his comments appear to be more for home consumption.

Probably a case of "the more sweeping under the rug needed, the bigger the jamadar you need." In this case, the HQ is an experienced jamadar, he swept the Zardari swiss case evidence before and probably the govt felt he'd sweep this one as well.

[Ummer Khan]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat I wouldn't disagree with that, but it isn't as if the ICC has power to appoint members of the PCB according to who they like, any more than it is in our hands as fans. We have to grit our teeth and bear it or just kick Pakistan cricket out of the game for the foreseeable future. Again, I'm not sure cricket has a big enough worldwide following to alienate one of it's largest support bases.

not to forget of 2nd most populous cricketing nation

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by Umerkhan007 not to forget of 2nd most populous cricketing nation

With about 1 man and his dog attending most test matches.......... and no international team willing to tour!

We really are in no position to dictate terms. Rather we already had the begging bowl out.

[Ummer Khan]

Originally Posted by akhtar ICC made the right move in suspending the players because pcb did not want to make that decision or they are trying to cover the whole situation. Well pcb are in for a shock because were not in pakistan were you can do sarfarish and get away with a lot of issues, this is uk and scotland yard are well known throughout the world in dealing with any cases. HC was just seeking publicity for himself posing with the cigar and chewing gum ( he must have forgot that were in month of ramazan) kamina has seriously messed the whole case what a dumb buffoon. its getting dumb (Hc) and dumbrer(ijaz butt) with these 2 at the helm situation is going to get worse.

dumb and dumber

[dani2k]

Originally Posted by Amoeba The problem is that, as always, it will be the ordinary people of Pakistan who will pay for the elite's incompetencies. If the PCB gets spanked we cannot rule out a ban from International cricket.

True and sad. I really feel for the common man of Pakistan..

[SameerM]

police have dropped charges.... no illegal activity evidence - the END


ps. NO BAN on int'l cricket!!!! cmon it was allegations of 3 noballs being pre-empted!!!


gosh u lot overact so much

[JellyBro]

Pakistan's HC is a complete tool. I mean no one so high up the bureaucratic food chain says these things but this guy chose to stick with the conspiracy theorists and made himself look like a fool

[SOSami]

The fact that the ICC supposedly don't need Pak, it's all the more reason we shouldn't trust them surely.

It's time we stop holding up the ICC as a puritan organisation that are less corrupt than the PCB itself. Putting Pakistani cricket in the hands of the ICC Corruption Unit is like giving the fox keys to the chicken coop.

Were they not the same body that moved their headquarters to Dubai, that haven for black-market bookies? Tax reasons, eh?

I suspect the attack by the HC is designed to make the ICC think about any counter-revelations that may occur which would be fair enough, let he without sin cast the first stone.

I dislike the PCB more than anyone and the players if found guilty should be severely punished, but the ICC's credibility died a long time ago.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Amoeba With about 1 man and his dog attending most test matches.......... and no international team willing to tour! We really are in no position to dictate terms. Rather we already had the begging bowl out.

You are forgetting tv audiences, I'm not sure how much people subscribe to watch Pakistan cricket but the rights must be worth something. This website alone generates massive interest for a cricket site. I'll be interested to see if the ICC is willing to ban Pakistan cricket and damage one of it's biggest fan bases.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by SOSami The fact that the ICC supposedly don't need Pak, it's all the more reason we shouldn't trust them surely. It's time we stop holding up the ICC as a puritan organisation that are less corrupt than the PCB itself. Putting Pakistani cricket in the hands of the ICC Corruption Unit is like giving the fox keys to the chicken coop. Were they not the same body that moved their headquarters to Dubai, that haven for black-market bookies? Tax reasons, eh? I suspect the attack by the HC is designed to make the ICC think about any counter-revelations that may occur which would be fair enough, let he without sin cast the first stone. I dislike the PCB more than anyone and the players if found guilty should be severely punished, but the ICC's credibility died a long time ago.

This.

I am one of the most vocal critics of the PCB but the double standards of the ICC with regard to dealing with players from pakistan and players from other countries is not good enough. Enough is enough. I would rather not watch cricket than to be constantly used as the ICC's whipping boys everytime an example needs to be made.

[iHammad]

Three words come to mind straight away:

lack of education

or in urdu: jahaalat

[askmoi]

i just hope Zardari decides to revamp the entire PCB...hopefully with former players....

[GLORY OF '92]

SOSami, great posts. Let's wait and see instead of insulting the HC and assuming the players are guilty.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by askmoi i just hope Zardari decides to revamp the entire PCB...hopefully with former players....

Sarfraz, Amir Sohail, & Zaheer Abbas?

[SOSami]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat This. I am one of the most vocal critics of the PCB but the double standards of the ICC with regard to dealing with players from pakistan and players from other countries is not good enough. Enough is enough. I would rather not watch cricket than to be constantly used as the ICC's whipping boys everytime an example needs to be made.

Spot on. I'm sick of it. If the PCB are going down, at least go down fighting.

The battle between Pak cricket and the ICC reminds me of a saying:

"Never fight with a chimney sweep coz even if you win, you'll both end up dirty". I don't know who the chimney sweep is in this instance, but I hope the ICC are aware of that now.

[the Great Khan]

Lol since when was the ICC relevant anyway? the PCB has to maintain two relationships to survive, one with teh BCCI and since a pka vs india match brings in more money than most the BCCI will never rule it out completley, and teh otehr with england...these are the two pivotal relationships for pakistan...

i actually believe the PCB should be disbanded altogether and replaced by another body..it has become bloated ineffeicient and corrupt...time for a change...

I think teh "defiance" is so that they can save their jobs...nothing else...if we had anyone but zardari in charge butt sahib would have been sacked asap..but whats interesting is that he may already have gotten his marching orders...wait till the tour is over!

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by SOSami Spot on. I'm sick of it. If the PCB are going down, at least go down fighting. The battle between Pak cricket and the ICC reminds me of a saying: "Never fight with a chimney sweep coz even if you win, you'll both end up dirty". I don't know who the chimney sweep is in this instance, but I hope the ICC are aware of that now.

Mark my words. PCB or whatever the regime the HC heads, will back off.

Next UTurn 100 meters.

[wasim-fan]

Originally Posted by SOSami Spot on. I'm sick of it. If the PCB are going down, at least go down fighting. The battle between Pak cricket and the ICC reminds me of a saying: "Never fight with a chimney sweep coz even if you win, you'll both end up dirty". I don't know who the chimney sweep is in this instance, but I hope the ICC are aware of that now.

Has there ever been a case for stong video evidence before this to nail a player/team for fixing ? To establish double standards there have to be two or more similar situations. PCB was given an opportunity to react and not let the ICC take the call.

ICC is an impotent body for me, but I really don't know what else they could have done here.

[SOSami]

Originally Posted by moumotta Mark my words. PCB or whatever the regime the HC heads, will back off. Next UTurn 100 meters.

They may well back off, but the point will have been made either way.

The ICC will be reading between the lines and understand what the Pakistanis are trying to say. Whether they take notice we will wait and see.

Look at the headline on any unbiased newspaper and you will see the effect the counter-punches have had:

http://www.independent.co.uk/ "ICC defend themselves over corruption"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ "Cricket watchdog denies failures over betting scandal"

The ICC are having to work very hard to defend their flimsy credibility. At the moment their response seems to be as simple as saying "we are good people" which is not decent evidence and won't wash with the cricketing public.

[GLORY OF '92]

WF video evidence is still not verified, where is the proof of it's date. Also why does Majeed look straight at the camera in the car??? These questions are still not satisfied.

[SOSami]

Originally Posted by wasim-fan Has there ever been a case for stong video evidence before this to nail a player/team for fixing ? To establish double standards there have to be too similar situations. PCB was given an opportunity to react and not let the ICC take the call. ICC is an impotent body for me, but I really don't know what else they could have done here.

The point is, we don't know if the ICC have ever been provided with the evidence that may well have existed, or whether they would really have taken any action if it were.
I would refer you to the following thread:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=105350


You are assuming they are guilty and balance of probabilities they probably are. However, the ICC allowed their member cricket boards to send their players to the very dodgy IPL1 (and even worse IPL2) without any checks and balances. Why was there not a major point made in public by the ICC at the time?
http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/cont...ry/460389.html

They cannot be trusted.

[Serendipity]

ICC unlike other bodies, e.g. FIFA does not have same teeth and powers but still can do a lot of harm and put Pak Cricket into abyss.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan Lol since when was the ICC relevant anyway? the PCB has to maintain two relationships to survive, one with teh BCCI and since a pka vs india match brings in more money than most the BCCI will never rule it out completley, and teh otehr with england...these are the two pivotal relationships for pakistan... i actually believe the PCB should be disbanded altogether and replaced by another body..it has become bloated ineffeicient and corrupt...time for a change... I think teh "defiance" is so that they can save their jobs...nothing else...if we had anyone but zardari in charge butt sahib would have been sacked asap..but whats interesting is that he may already have gotten his marching orders...wait till the tour is over!

Spot on.

People are forgetting the ICC is effectivley the BCCI.

The PCB should be dismantled and made totally independent with only those given the higher posts who have no connection with any political parties.

There should have been one media spokesman instead of everyone trying to get the limelight.

The PCB have made a laughing stock of Pakistan.

[TigerJat]

The boards are all political. Just see how some of the boards got together and did not allow John Howard to become VP or something.

If other boards gang up against PCB, there would be no choice for PCB to back off. PCB is not only corrupt, it doesn't really have that much money either, due to lack of matches in the last few years.

[TigerJat]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC Spot on. People are forgetting the ICC is effectivley the BCCI. The PCB should be dismantled and made totally independent with only those given the higher posts who have no connection with any political parties. There should have been one media spokesman instead of everyone trying to get the limelight. The PCB have made a laughing stock of Pakistan.

Those are good ideas, and I am sure everyone on this board agrees with them, but who is going to make that happen?

Not Zardari, who is the chief right now.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by TigerJat Those are good ideas, and I am sure everyone on this board agrees with them, but who is going to make that happen? Not Zardari, who is the chief right now.

That's the problem. Cricket is a major political tool, that's why you see these ministers and Presidents annoucing rewards when we win test match to give them some points.

[Mobashir]

This is all PCB's own fault, ICC gave them plenty of time to do something. It's one thing to back up your players and another being in complete denial that your players have done something wrong.
PCB are known mentals, but surprisingly even on PakPassion some PPers were in complete denial mode.
Now i am really afraid that these poor moves by our managment have a big impact on Mohammad Amir's career...

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by Mobashir This is all PCB's own fault, ICC gave them plenty of time to do something. It's one thing to back up your players and another being in complete denial that your players have done something wrong. PCB are known mentals, but surprisingly even on PakPassion some PPers were in complete denial mode. Now i am really afraid that these poor moves by our managment have a big impact on Mohammad Amir's career...

True, but Amir's own actions have had they greatest impact on his career.

The PCB's poor moves will determine whether we are still part of the international fold if the players are found guilty.

[wasim-fan]

Originally Posted by SOSami The point is, we don't know if the ICC have ever been provided with the evidence that may well have existed, or whether they would really have taken any action if it were. I would refer you to the following thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=105350 You are assuming they are guilty and balance of probabilities they probably are. However, the ICC allowed their member cricket boards to send their players to the very dodgy IPL1 (and even worse IPL2) without any checks and balances. Why was there not a major point made in public by the ICC at the time? http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/cont...ry/460389.html They cannot be trusted.

For the first instance, in 1990s many people got away for lack of awareness or lack of intent. You are well aware of Pak. and India's history which would have stunted some future great careers. ICC only became a body of any credence in this decade. So, I am sure lot of boards covered up their players at the time. It was a different decade, different times.

Btw I am not assuming anything for Pak players, not yet. But in my lifetime, I haven't seen the kind of evidence that I have seen in this instance. So, I fail to see at how else ICC could have reacted. Now, it is presumptuous to assume that ICC had similar evidence in the past but did not do anything unless you know something for certain.

As for the second instance of IPL1 and 2, again it is the same case. Lot of conjecture but no evidence, none whatsoever. So, if you are a person of logic, which I am sure reading your posts, you cannot claim their incapabilities with regards to IPL unless you have some specific "fact" or evidence to nail their incompetence.

This is not to say that IPL is clean just because it recieved a clean chit from ACSU. Btw many PPers believe Sydney test was fixed while ACSU denies the allegations and gave clean chit. So, would you say that they are anti-pak always? In fact, it was easiest test to punish Pak. players if they want to considering public sentiments.

IPL match fixing scandal broke out on because the govt. indirectly via IT authorities went after Lalit Modi to malign him to retaliate his actions against Tharoor, their cabinet minister. You can check it up. After few days of "breaking news", there was no evidence found, not yet. I don't trust any media outlet anymore.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Amoeba True, but Amir's own actions have had they greatest impact on his career. The PCB's poor moves will determine whether we are still part of the international fold if the players are found guilty.

Dealed properly Aamer coul have been punished for what he did and still play for Pakistan. You could have fined him heavely, banned him for 6months-1year...
But now ICC are tlking about life bans... And there is no denying that BCCI plays a big parti in ICC's decisions, so they will be pretty happy to ban Aamer more than what he probably deserve.