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Old 5th September 2010, 02:26
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EXPOSED: News of the World’s lies, dirty tactics and gutter journalism

Firstly, let’s get one thing very clear. Yasir Hameed DID NOT give any interview to NOTW. Fact. They went undercover, and he expressed only his private opinions.

Secondly, the whole article is based on the frankly ludicrous claim that Yasir Hameed has admitted that almost every match was fixed.

Now, with most of us able to understand basic Urdu, let’s break down the exact conversation.

Reporter: The players say that fixing went on in almost every match (frankly ridiculous in itself since no player has ever admitted that)
Hameed: Almost
Reporter: Sure?
Hameed: That’s what the newspaper reports say

So Hameed has expressed an OPINION based on newspaper reports he has read. He is not claiming to know that almost all matches were fixed, but that the newspaper reports said they were. Hameed is not admitting to know anything at all.

It's a bit like me saying, 'did you hear, NOTW reported that Pakistanis were involved in match fixing for the past 2.5 years', and the next minute NOTW runs a headline saying 'Usman exposes Pakistani match fixing that has been going on for 2.5 years'.

Notice how the NOTW conveniently forget to mention that this interview was done undercover. They couldn't stop boasting about how they exposed Majeed and co with an undercover sting, yet don't mention it once in this article. Why? Well because they want to give the impression that Yasir Hameed gave them that interview in order to expose his team mates. At no point do they mention that the remarks were made in casual conversation, and that Hameed was clearly expressing his opinions.

So as the News of the World would say, we at Pakpassion can sensationally reveal that the NOTW has presented no new evidence to suggest that further match fixing went on during this tour or the tour of Australia. As before, there remains substantial proof for only one allegation, and that is for spot fixing. There is no evidence of match fixing in any allegation.
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:28
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well yasir hammed should not be opeing his mouth about so a difficult issue in the 1st place.


the shouldnt be allowed to talk to any1 about match fixing.
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:29
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well yasir hammed should not be opeing his mouth about so a difficult issue in the 1st place.


the shouldnt be allowed to talk to any1 about match fixing.
Where was Team Manager?
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:30
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well yasir hammed should not be opeing his mouth about so a difficult issue in the 1st place.


the shouldnt be allowed to talk to any1 about match fixing.
Yes Yawar Saeed should do the talking about the allegations
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:30
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Here is the video.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/vide...nnel=NOTW:News
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:30
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Yes it is gutter journalism but doesn't mean the players are not involved in both spot and match fixing.

NOTW has a newspaper to sell which they are doing the way they always do.

I expect more evidence to come out in the coming weeks.
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:30
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:30
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PP mods should really put a check on no. of threads here.

@Topic: No doubt, this so-called 'interview' is nothing but hogwash. Doesnt prove a thing although Hameed may be interrogated now by ACU
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:32
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well yasir hammed should not be opeing his mouth about so a difficult issue in the 1st place.


the shouldnt be allowed to talk to any1 about match fixing.
Very valid point but then, Yasir is not with the team anymore. Perhaps he should've briefed all players about the gravity of the situation after the lords test.

But expecting PCB to do the logical thing is expecting too much
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:33
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well yasir hammed should not be opeing his mouth about so a difficult issue in the 1st place.


the shouldnt be allowed to talk to any1 about match fixing.
He hasn't 'opened his mouth'. This was a private conversation. Do you honestly think it is reasonable to expect people not to discuss things in private?
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:33
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Thanks for making this thread. I was going mad on how such a clear cut, credibility revealing manipulation can go without us creating a thread PP. Thanks.
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:35
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well yasir hammed should not be opeing his mouth about so a difficult issue in the 1st place.


the shouldnt be allowed to talk to any1 about match fixing.
Exactly !!

Blaming NOTW is like blaming the snake after being bitten. The snake WILL bite you as this is it's nature. YOU GOTTA SAVE YOURSELF !!!
Don't blame the snake, blame yourself !!
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:36
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Firstly, let’s get one thing very clear. Yasir Hameed DID NOT give any interview to NOTW. Fact. They went undercover, and he expressed only his private opinions.

Secondly, the whole article is based on the frankly ludicrous claim that Yasir Hameed has admitted that almost every match was fixed.

Now, with most of us able to understand basic Urdu, let’s break down the exact conversation.

Reporter: The players say that fixing went on in almost every match (frankly ridiculous in itself since no player has ever admitted that)
Hameed: Almost
Reporter: Sure?
Hameed: That’s what the newspaper reports say

So Hameed has expressed an OPINION based on newspaper reports he has read. He is not claiming to know that almost all matches were fixed, but that the newspaper reports said they were. Hameed is not admitting to know anything at all.

It's a bit like me saying, 'did you hear, NOTW reported that Pakistanis were involved in match fixing for the past 2.5 years', and the next minute NOTW runs a headline saying 'Usman exposes Pakistani match fixing that has been going on for 2.5 years'.

Notice how the NOTW conveniently forget to mention that this interview was done undercover. They couldn't stop boasting about how they exposed Majeed and co with an undercover sting, yet don't mention it once in this article. Why? Well because they want to give the impression that Yasir Hameed gave them that interview in order to expose his team mates. At no point do they mention that the remarks were made in casual conversation, and that Hameed was clearly expressing his opinions.

So as the News of the World would say, we at Pakpassion can sensationally reveal that the NOTW has presented no new evidence to suggest that further match fixing went on during this tour or the tour of Australia. As before, there remains substantial proof for only one allegation, and that is for spot fixing. There is no evidence of match fixing in any allegation.
Some good points there, its just the mad spin they put on things and everyone goes mad, we have to remember the class of this paper, and the credibility of what they report, not saying its all lies, just wait for the full story to come out, there two sides to every story.
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:37
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Recycle-save the world

It looks like NOTW's M. Mahmoud spent last week eating porky pies and sh!t pizza. Though he manage to recycle the pizza boxes and week old news. Nothing special this week. The lad had our hopes high, what a let down , eh?
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:38
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What comes out for me through this conversation is that Yasir was presenting his thoughts and opinions which may or may not be true as he has not been in the team for some time. If he made any first hand quotes about something he saw personally then it is different. This is not different than me laying allegations on a player.
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:40
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Just look how Aussie have defended and covered up Warne and others. If only NOTW was there to catch Warne red handed.
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:42
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He hasn't 'opened his mouth'. This was a private conversation. Do you honestly think it is reasonable to expect people not to discuss things in private?
A private conversation with some random bloke - is this guy stupid? Then again it seems like they gave him enough wine so he eventually opened up
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:43
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None of what he has said has any credence really - he seems like he was under the influence and people say the most bizarre things when they are drunk
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Old 5th September 2010, 02:44
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He refused 150,000 pounds to fix the game but sold himself on cheap glass of white wine to throw mud on his teammates and country.
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:05
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Guys, there is a part II of this video which will be coming out at a later date. If i know NOTW tactics and i think i do, they are going to realese all these so called "evidence" bit by bit.

What i am interested in knowing is how much money NOTW is making through this increased publicity stunt. They got atleast Pakistanis around the world checking their websites every minute. How many papers have they sold so far since this story broke. They are trying to pose themselves as some saintly organization who is doing the right thing. Bull crap!!!!

They have a history of false reporting and have been sued on many occasions for libel and defamation.

We are all getting revved up for nothing and are falling pray to their tactics. Our media should try to debunk this farce instead of joining them and so should we.
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:07
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None of what he has said has any credence really - he seems like he was under the influence and people say the most bizarre things when they are drunk
people say true things when they are drunk
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:08
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I think he stumbled and hurt his face recently.
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:13
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None of what he has said has any credence really - he seems like he was under the influence and people say the most bizarre things when they are drunk

of course this video cant be shown as evidence in front of english court.

but fact is that , know whole world knows that pakistan players are fixers and cheats.
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:14
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of course this video cant be shown as evidence in front of english court.

but fact is that , know whole world knows that pakistan players are fixers and cheats.
Actually, they are jawaris (gamblers) and sharabis (drinkers).
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:16
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It is gutter journalism.

Second, it seems that Yasir is speculating and guessing rather than making statement. This is a non news.
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:17
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people say true things when they are drunk
Not always mate
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:21
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Denials will make pak govt look even more stupid, not sure if most pakistanis have realized this yet

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Old 5th September 2010, 03:23
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don b stupd there is a video evidence ,,, google it
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:25
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Guys, there is a part II of this video which will be coming out at a later date. If i know NOTW tactics and i think i do, they are going to realese all these so called "evidence" bit by bit.

What i am interested in knowing is how much money NOTW is making through this increased publicity stunt. They got atleast Pakistanis around the world checking their websites every minute. How many papers have they sold so far since this story broke. They are trying to pose themselves as some saintly organization who is doing the right thing. Bull crap!!!!

They have a history of false reporting and have been sued on many occasions for libel and defamation.

We are all getting revved up for nothing and are falling pray to their tactics. Our media should try to debunk this farce instead of joining them and so should we.
Well yes they partly did this to make money. (Which is obvious) And it's perfectly fine. I mean who would just hand over 160k pounds to some guy. They took the risk for the monumental return (selling of papers)
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:27
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Thanks to wayne rooney cheating on coleen, we won't make the full front page this week
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:27
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and i herd on GEO they offerd him £50,000 to match fix and he refused thats a honest player right there and he can sue them so atleast someone can finally sue them
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:33
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agreed. Yasir should sue NOTW and take them to cleaners. This kind of behavior is criminal. They can not use an honest man like this!
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:33
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people say true things when they are drunk
I guess you have been there to know it. So who did you tell on? Hope not your friends
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:39
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Thankfully this is not done by Indian Media.......that would have created furore between 2 countries.

India is already talking abt legalising betting in the news papers these days.
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:42
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I wouldn't be surprised Notw reporters read our comments daily to check our sentiments and act accordingly ....the SCUM BAGS.

Show me one footage just ONE footage NOTW that can not be disputed and I promise to buy your papers every Sunday.

So far everything they have shown us can easily be argued and is completely baseless would not hold up in court but have to admit does make you wonder who their script writers are... I'm guessing film producers.
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Old 5th September 2010, 03:58
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None of what he has said has any credence really - he seems like he was under the influence and people say the most bizarre things when they are drunk
which are usually true.

They got him drunk and took this interview and yasir obliged and rose up to the situation.
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I agree with the OP. The video is not incriminating in any form. Yasir Hameed has said nothing wrong, unless there is a part 2 of the video waiting to be released.

Surely NOTW can't be that stupid to release just one video that is very baseless.
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which are usually true.

They got him drunk and took this interview and yasir obliged and rose up to the situation.
Not always - im a taxi driver and I have spoken to people with superpowers, people who have just spoken to the Prime Minister on their mobile phone, people who just had a fight with a footballer (even though the footballer was in another country at the time) etc etc


Anyhow whether he is drunk or not is irrelevant - it appears he is rambling and is angry - he has been misquoted and the interview cleverly coerced certain comments out of him - its a non-story really
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What a HUGE let down. NOTW promissed so much and there is nothing at all.
They are feeding Hameed to repeat something and even he then say God knows as he is clueless.

If I see this guy Majeed he is the 3rd worst guy in my books now after Zardari and I.Butt for Pak cricket
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None of what he has said has any credence really - he seems like he was under the influence and people say the most bizarre things when they are drunk
That is very true. I have heard unbelievable amounts of BS come out of certain drunk people's mouths! In this video it seemed Hameed was quite tipsy so he wasn't afraid to give his team mates a bad rep, however, legally he said nothing wrong.
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What a HUGE let down. NOTW promissed so much and there is nothing at all.
They are feeding Hameed to repeat something and even he then say God knows as he is clueless.

If I see this guy Majeed he is the 3rd worst guy in my books now after Zardari and I.Butt for Pak cricket
His name is Mazhar Mahmood.
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Firstly, let’s get one thing very clear. Yasir Hameed DID NOT give any interview to NOTW. Fact. They went undercover, and he expressed only his private opinions.

Secondly, the whole article is based on the frankly ludicrous claim that Yasir Hameed has admitted that almost every match was fixed.

Now, with most of us able to understand basic Urdu, let’s break down the exact conversation.

Reporter: The players say that fixing went on in almost every match (frankly ridiculous in itself since no player has ever admitted that)
Hameed: Almost
Reporter: Sure?
Hameed: That’s what the newspaper reports say

So Hameed has expressed an OPINION based on newspaper reports he has read. He is not claiming to know that almost all matches were fixed, but that the newspaper reports said they were. Hameed is not admitting to know anything at all.

It's a bit like me saying, 'did you hear, NOTW reported that Pakistanis were involved in match fixing for the past 2.5 years', and the next minute NOTW runs a headline saying 'Usman exposes Pakistani match fixing that has been going on for 2.5 years'.

Notice how the NOTW conveniently forget to mention that this interview was done undercover. They couldn't stop boasting about how they exposed Majeed and co with an undercover sting, yet don't mention it once in this article. Why? Well because they want to give the impression that Yasir Hameed gave them that interview in order to expose his team mates. At no point do they mention that the remarks were made in casual conversation, and that Hameed was clearly expressing his opinions.

So as the News of the World would say, we at Pakpassion can sensationally reveal that the NOTW has presented no new evidence to suggest that further match fixing went on during this tour or the tour of Australia. As before, there remains substantial proof for only one allegation, and that is for spot fixing. There is no evidence of match fixing in any allegation.
Agreed, I have no idea, why we are believing this news paper. they have history a of making rubbish claims and they have been sued and had to pay fines numerous times before.
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Agreed, I have no idea, why we are believing this news paper. they have history a of making rubbish claims and they have been sued and had to pay fines numerous times before.
looks like another suing then
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You can't be stationary on a moving train

A man is only honest if he comes out now and tells all he knows


I suspect many players who know things are keeping quiet... cuz they fear PCB will take vengeance on them

this is so sad... we need some brave souls to come out on Geo TV and expose it all !!!! Lets do a major clean up now that the mess has come out...
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The Pakistan team has been exposed as match fixers and cheats and some posters are more interested in shooting the messenger. Who really cares what the NOTW write or put on thier front page Pakistan cricket has bigger problems to deal with.
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Old 5th September 2010, 05:34
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The Pakistan team has been exposed as match fixers and cheats and some posters are more interested in shooting the messenger. Who really cares what the NOTW write or put on thier front page Pakistan cricket has bigger problems to deal with.
Firstly, no one's been exposed as match fixers. Till this day there is no proof presented of that whatsoever. Stop getting carried away. However, what Aamer, Asif and Butt did is inexcusable (yes I am presuming they are guilty of spot fixing because I'm yet to see something which shows me they are not!). These three deserve proper punishments. However, this does not give anybody the right to say whatever they like. It is very important to care about what the NOTW puts on its front pages, because these are perhaps the most serious accusations to ever face our team, and NOTW have no right to defame the cricketers who are clean and to defame Pakistan as a nation in general.

When I first read the NOTW article, I honestly felt like pelting stones at Yasir because I was led to believe by the article that Yasir had actually given an interview to the newspaper, which would have meant he was paid handsomely to expose his team mates. I thought he too had sold his country. However, when I watched the video, I realised that firstly this was an undercover interview where Yasir was clearly drunk and where he wasn't even saying the things the article claimed he was saying. He wasn't saying that 'almost every match is fixed', but more like 'that’s what the newspapers say and God knows what the truth is'. NOTW have absolutely no right to lead the reading public to believe that one of our own players has decided to expose the others, because that is a complete fabrication.

Where the evidence is there, such as in the spot fixing videos, the players must be punished. Where NOTW makes things up, they too must be held to account.

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Old 5th September 2010, 05:42
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Where the evidence is there, such as in the spot fixing videos, the players must be punished. Where NOTW makes things up, they too must be held to account.
Funny though when the shoe is on the other foot nothing gets said. We all witnessed the Pakistan High Commissioner falsly and deliberiately slurr the President of the ICC and yet no one wants to hold him accountable. Should the ICC sue the Pakistan High Commissioner.
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Usman you're a very level-headed poster and I've agreed completely with most of your threads in the past week or so.

Another excellent thread, it's pretty much common sense which is seriously lacking on this forum nowadays.
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Old 5th September 2010, 05:45
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Firstly, no one's been exposed as match fixers. Till this day there is no proof presented of that whatsoever. Stop getting carried away. However, what Aamer, Asif and Butt did is inexcusable (yes I am presuming they are guilty of spot fixing because I'm yet to see something which shows me they are not!). These three deserve proper punishments. However, this does not give anybody the right to say whatever they like. It is very important to care about what the NOTW puts on its front pages, because these are perhaps the most serious accusations to ever face our team, and NOTW have no right to defame the cricketers who are clean and to defame Pakistan as a nation in general.

When I first read the NOTW article, I honestly felt like pelting stones at Yasir because I was led to believe by the article that Yasir had actually given an interview to the newspaper, which would have meant he was paid handsomely to expose his team mates. I thought he too had sold his country. However, when I watched the video, I realised that firstly this was an undercover interview where Yasir was clearly drunk and where he wasn't even saying the things the article claimed he was saying. He wasn't saying that 'almost every match is fixed', but more like 'that’s what the newspapers say and God knows what the truth is'. NOTW have absolutely no right to lead the reading public to believe that one of our own players has decided to expose the others, because that is a complete fabrication.

Where the evidence is there, such as in the spot fixing videos, the players must be punished. Where NOTW makes things up, they too must be held to account.
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Old 5th September 2010, 05:51
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In The Video Does He Mention These Statements ? : ''It makes me angry because I'm playing my best and they are trying to lose.'', "They're gone - forget about them.", "Just look at my average. It's 38, 39 (runs scored per innings). Which player in the world has that average and is dropped?" Or This "If I was playing for any other country, what would I be now? I'd be the team captain."
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Old 5th September 2010, 06:03
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This is all drama. everyone including players are playing it. playing with our emotions. there is no truth in anything that is shown on media. Now i am not sure if rana naveed was banned or he is injured.
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Old 5th September 2010, 06:09
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The extent of some fan's denial is genuinely amusing, and would slightly worry me if I cared
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The extent of some fan's denial is genuinely amusing, and would slightly worry me if I cared
What denial? Did you see the video? Hameed has been misquoted so severely, he SHOULD take NOTW to court. I am not joking here. The phrase 'Allah janta hai' summed up the video for me, dont need to look at any other videos to determine how scum and **** NOTW really is
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:10
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come on mate, your team stinks of corruption
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:12
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come on mate, your team stinks of corruption
Just because a tabloid says so?
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:13
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Good post Usman.

Like some other posters here, I was shocked when I first read the interview, as it looked like he knew matchfixing was taking place for sure. But once I watched the interview, I can see why Hameed is denying the claims promptly. The players in the team should see the video, they will clearly see that NOTW are reporting one thing and Hameed is saying something else.

One need to understand urdu, to clearly see that Hameeds conversation is taken out of context.

Whatever he said about matchfixing was his opinion based on what has been happening just recently. No where are there any claims as to what has been going on. Actually, I think the NOTW have shot them selves in the foot on this one, IF it becomes clear to the general public that Hameed was expressing an opinion like so many of us have done in the past week, the newspaper will loose some credibility.

I feel sorry for Hameed. This could have happened to any of the players.
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:15
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I don't know if you live in the UK or not but this is the most convincing and extensive accumulation of evidence on one subject that I've ever seen in the British media.
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:16
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come on mate, your team stinks of corruption
Unfortunately it does. Playing shoot the messenger is not going to help, Pakistan cricket will actually owe NOTW in years to come for this.
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:19
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I don't know if you live in the UK or not but this is the most convincing and extensive accumulation of evidence on one subject that I've ever seen in the British media.
As is evident by the phenomenal misquoting of Yasir Hameed by the NOTW. I thought India's media was a joke, your people are taking the cake this time!
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:20
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guys i have heard that whole video is of 40 mins but they showed only 2 mins of it...
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:21
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come on mate, your team stinks of corruption
Whippy, you are a good poster here on PP, but if you don't understand urdu I can see where you are coming from. But I am telling you, if you feel discusted because of Hameeds interview, then you need to rely on those who actually understand urdu. Can anyone who understands urdu claim that Hameeds words are not taken out of context?

They broke a huge story last week that rocked the world. NOTW are milking this story and are using Hameeds words out of context and that is like kicking somebody who is lying down.
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:24
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The News of the World has done nothing but gain credibility from this whole episode, I assure you. Many Brits have always bought the News of the World every week, but plenty of others have long viewed it as a crappy tabloid and ignored it. however, since the spot-fixing allegations first arose, the public here have recognised the wonderful, devastating journalism on display and been taking the NotW very seriously. after all, the Brits who avoid the tabloids and follow the likes of the BBC and the Guardian are now just reading stories on those websites that have been brought to light by the NotW. The NotW sports editor said last night on SSN that it is one of the best stories he has ever been involved in from a journalist's perspective, and it's hard to deny him that. as someone who avoids the Sun and the NotW like the plague for various reasons, I may even go and buy today's edition out of interest, because it is so utterly relevant to our times.

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Old 5th September 2010, 08:28
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As is evident by the phenomenal misquoting of Yasir Hameed by the NOTW. I thought India's media was a joke, your people are taking the cake this time!
I'm talking about the investigation that has apparently been ongoing since Sydney in January. that's a stunning piece of journalism, and has been presented in completely convincing fashion. with the way the ICC have investigated in their own manner since the story broke, and reacted by preparing to sling the implicated players from the game of cricket, can you really sit there and deny what is going on?
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:32
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The News of the World has done nothing but gain credibility from this whole episode, I assure you. Many Brits have always bought the News of the World every week, but plenty of others have long viewed it as a crappy tabloid and ignored it. however, since the spot-fixing allegations first arose, the public here have recognised the wonderful, devastating journalism on display and been taking the NotW very seriously. after all, the Brits who avoid the tabloids and follow the likes of the BBC and the Guardian are now just reading stories on those websites that have been brought to light by the NotW. The NotW sports editor said last night on SSN that it is one of the best stories he has ever been involved in from a journalist's perspective, and it's hard to deny him that. as someone who avoids the Sun and the NotW like the plague for various reasons, I may even go and buy today's edition out of interest, because it is so utterly relevant to our times.
I agree on the part that NOTW did a great piece last week, but todays piece is utter BS. Like I said in an earlier post, The NOTW have shot themselves in the foot IF the general public can see how Hameeds words have been taken out of context. You need to understand urdu to see how clearly todays report is BS.
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:39
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what a load of hot air, yasir hasn't said anything more than whats in the public arean anyway. i'm sue he's quoted that $1.8m figure having heard Veena malik mention it! Over the relevant period, Hameed has had very little to do with the team
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:40
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I'm talking about the investigation that has apparently been ongoing since Sydney in January. that's a stunning piece of journalism, and has been presented in completely convincing fashion. with the way the ICC have investigated in their own manner since the story broke, and reacted by preparing to sling the implicated players from the game of cricket, can you really sit there and deny what is going on?
OK first of all, I am neither denying nor endorsing what our players did. Still waiting for ICC's investigation to get over until we should judge the players IMO. Secondly, the number of lies this washed up tabloid has burped out in its articles, just to exaggerate whatever it is trying to say, has made me certain these guys are nothing but a bunch of attention-seeking gits. Also, they do not care about any consequences. Hameed's career would have been in danger thanks to these twits, what with the ICC and PCB interrogating him till he broke down
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:53
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you are right that they do not care for the consequences here, which is what tells me that they are onto something. the NotW have affected many lives and also ripped their own England football set-up in two with their stories in the past - they have no bias, which I should put out there to assure some of the more worried Pakistan fans that the NotW are not coming after them specifically. if there's a story, they go to town on it until there is no blood left to squeeze out, and they're known for it. at the end of the day, the NotW can always justify their actions, whomever is left without a career, by claiming their right to free speech and their duty to inform the people. democracy really can be this cruel. looks like it is Pakistan cricket's turn to pay.
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people say true things when they are drunk
Where in the video is Hameed drunk?

By definition drunk is when you are intoxicated or in temporary state in which one's physical and mental faculties are impaired by an excess of alcoholic drink.

Drinking a glass of wine does not make you drunk ...

Drinking does open up inhibitions, but when people are REALLY drunk, they speak bull.**** and it gets embarrassing.
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Old 5th September 2010, 10:51
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Lol just watched the video fully.

Hameed says nothing! He's basing what he's saying on what he read in NOTW, which is fair enough.
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Someone should contact Yasir and tell them to sue the NOTW and get loadsa money outta them

That should help him finish his house off... and keep him comfortable for a few years...
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The only genuinely weak point in this whole NOTW story I see till now has been Hameed's 'interview'. They've done a pretty good job on the rest of it.

If Hameed can plead his case successfully to ICC (which I believe he can because I feel he genuinely was tricked), then he has a case against NOTW.

Apart from this, NOTW has done a great job. We have to give them that. Had it been any other country's team, we would have believed everything in the blink of an eye too, admit it.


A few years down the line, we might be thanking NOTW and Mazhar Mehmood.
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Old 5th September 2010, 11:05
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Why would Yasir even be questioned by the ICC? It's not like he was talking to a bookie.
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It could have been an ex Pakistan manager who exposed them, Bob Woolmer via a ouija board.

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Old 5th September 2010, 11:17
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Firstly, let’s get one thing very clear. Yasir Hameed DID NOT give any interview to NOTW. Fact. They went undercover, and he expressed only his private opinions.

Secondly, the whole article is based on the frankly ludicrous claim that Yasir Hameed has admitted that almost every match was fixed.

Now, with most of us able to understand basic Urdu, let’s break down the exact conversation.

Reporter: The players say that fixing went on in almost every match (frankly ridiculous in itself since no player has ever admitted that)
Hameed: Almost
Reporter: Sure?
Hameed: That’s what the newspaper reports say

So Hameed has expressed an OPINION based on newspaper reports he has read. He is not claiming to know that almost all matches were fixed, but that the newspaper reports said they were. Hameed is not admitting to know anything at all.

It's a bit like me saying, 'did you hear, NOTW reported that Pakistanis were involved in match fixing for the past 2.5 years', and the next minute NOTW runs a headline saying 'Usman exposes Pakistani match fixing that has been going on for 2.5 years'.

Notice how the NOTW conveniently forget to mention that this interview was done undercover. They couldn't stop boasting about how they exposed Majeed and co with an undercover sting, yet don't mention it once in this article. Why? Well because they want to give the impression that Yasir Hameed gave them that interview in order to expose his team mates. At no point do they mention that the remarks were made in casual conversation, and that Hameed was clearly expressing his opinions.

So as the News of the World would say, we at Pakpassion can sensationally reveal that the NOTW has presented no new evidence to suggest that further match fixing went on during this tour or the tour of Australia. As before, there remains substantial proof for only one allegation, and that is for spot fixing. There is no evidence of match fixing in any allegation.
You're conveniently missing out the other stuff Hameed said.

- the 4 mansions rant about asif vs. his own house
- that he thinks he was left out of the team because of his honesty
- about the match in CT which was not brought up by NOTW


And more.

Personally I feel Hameed was just bragging, but NOTW did not distort a lot of stuff he said.
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Old 5th September 2010, 11:43
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there's an article with some interesting revelations about how NOTW set up this sting operation, how they won over majeed's trust, etc. it mentions their tactic of having several undercover reporters around, all fitted with hidden cameras, to ensure that they have backup if one camera fails or the audio is lost or something (apparently this is common when the cams are hidden). that article also has some interesting bits about kamran akmal being the one to get azhar majeed into the hotel after his entry was banned by yawar saeed.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...2&postcount=29

posted a thread on it, because i thought it had some pretty significant piece of NEW information, but it got merged and buried. (thank you, moderators!)
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Old 5th September 2010, 11:49
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He is not a kid and knowing the sensitivity of the issue and dirty journalism of UK newspapers he should know when and in front of whom he should be expressing his opinions..very childish of Yasir Hameed to have done this...NOTW we all know are in to gutter journalism
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Old 5th September 2010, 12:10
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After watching the video, i was quite surprised how Yasir knew exact figure of Sydney test. WTH???
He didn't represent the team for couple of years, recently joined the squad and knew it was 1.8 million Pounds?? Where did Pounds come from anyway??? I know it sounds stupid but even if he knew about figure it would have been in DOLLARS rather than POUNDS. How did that figure come to his mind???? Then that guy almost puts words in Hameed's mouth by saying that guys must have talked to you about that..............Why would they talk about match fixing figures months after it allegedly happened in front of Hameed????? Pakistani players are definitely involved in spot fixing and i would definitely want them to be punished but NOTW is purely RUBBISH and i wouldn't really trust them one bit (just like i won't trust Butt and Asif) after watching this video.
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Old 5th September 2010, 12:12
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^ Waseem Hameed has clarified by saying he got the 1.8 million figure from the NOTW article he read, which he was basing all of what he said upon!

Basically a massive twist by the newspaper!
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