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Old 20th September 2010, 17:34
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73 runs in the first 10 overs: Thats the PP for you!

It is a shame that Pakistan is outplayed by England in the first PP.

Pakistan made 44 runs in the first 10 while England smashed 73 runs in their first 10.

England scored 29 runs more than Pakistan and that is just too much of a difference. You need at least 60 runs in those overs.

And the worst thing is that it is England of all teams.
Yes Strauss was lucky and is in good form but what can Pakistan do themselves?

Hafeez isn't the right option at all. You can say he along with Kamran has given some decent starts but it is the pace which is the problem.

Once your openers give you a quick start the rest can come in and take their time to settle in.

Don't we really have any other choice than Hafeez?
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Old 20th September 2010, 17:38
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England are of to a flyer yes - but they are bound to slow down as the inns progresses, We acclerated rapidly due to some barbaric butchering courtesy of the Razzaq late on - England don`t have a razzaq type finisher.
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Old 20th September 2010, 17:40
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but i somehow have the feeling, that pakistan is winning this! would do wonders for them :-)
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Old 20th September 2010, 17:40
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I was thinking exactly the same thing... This is the difference, they took the game away from us in the first PP.

Aggressive options for opening...

Kamran
Afridi
Razzaq
Imran Nazir
Shahzaib
Azhar
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Old 20th September 2010, 17:45
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this is Pakistans strategy through the ages. keep wickets in hand and then go for it
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Old 20th September 2010, 17:46
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when players plays for themselves, you see the result like this.
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Old 20th September 2010, 17:49
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Hafeez is playing for himself. He can then tell anyone didnt you see I made the 60
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Old 20th September 2010, 18:11
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Be grateful that we're not 0-2 !
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Old 20th September 2010, 18:11
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Hafeez is not a ODI opener this guy is a classic test player, give Azhar Ali a chance because that guy is more likely to play for the team than himself.
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Old 20th September 2010, 18:22
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England bowled superbly and our captaincy, field settings and line and lengths were off. Strauss is also in great form.

I can guarantee, had we gone after the bowling today, we'd have been something like 50 for 3
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:14
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we are not taking advantage of the power plays

australia, england, south africa, india, sri lanka are quite capable of taking the advantage of PPs! but our team seriously lacks in this department!
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:15
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One thing England can't do is make 42 off the last 2 overs.
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:15
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42 runs off the last 2 overs. That's Pakistan version of the PP.
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:16
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Both team scored exactly the same number of runs in the 20 overs of PP.
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:17
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42 runs off the last 2 overs. That's Pakistan version of the PP.
Who needs five overs when we can get the same runs in 2?

Seriously though, something happened badly to England today, they got 73 off the first ten and took another 29 overs to get their next 100 runs.
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:17
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I was thinking exactly the same thing... This is the difference, they took the game away from us in the first PP.

Aggressive options for opening...

Kamran
Afridi
Razzaq
Imran Nazir
Shahzaib
Azhar
Well Kamran is already there, Azhar is not you aggressive type.

We can not have 7 balls 15 runs, with our fragile middle order we need solid starts.
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:18
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Who needs five overs when we can get the same runs in 2?

Seriously though, something happened badly to England today, they got 73 off the first ten and took another 29 overs to get their next 100 runs.
That was always expected, that is the reason they went hard against the new ball, but our bowlers did not help their own cause by bowling short.
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:19
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Whether you call it complete chance or a genius strategy, Pakistan always win with when we start slowly and conserve our wickets and explode at the end

This strategy has always worked, and continues to do so (as proven today)

So my question is, why mend something that is not broken?
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:24
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Whether you call it complete chance or a genius strategy, Pakistan always win with when we start slowly and conserve our wickets and explode at the end

This strategy has always worked, and continues to do so (as proven today)

So my question is, why mend something that is not broken?
This is the key, we can play faster calculated risks and keep our wickets. If akmal stops trying to pull everything and hafeez plays a few drives instead of just blocking we can add 20-30 + easy at the start of the innings. 15 overs at the start should be looking to get atleast 80-90
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:24
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Hafeez was 2 slow, some1 needs to tell him to pick it up and stop playing out so many dot balls
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:26
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Whether you call it complete chance or a genius strategy, Pakistan always win with when we start slowly and conserve our wickets and explode at the end

This strategy has always worked, and continues to do so (as proven today)

So my question is, why mend something that is not broken?
The problem is that this strategy relies heavily on Afridi and Razzaq to absolutely butcher the opposition bowling in the last 10 overs. Today it came off and Pakistan put a good score on the board. However, there are many times when Afridi's skied his first ball and the ball doesn't come onto Razzler's bat. When that happens, Pakistan end up posting 220-230 in 50 overs which even our bowlers find difficult to defend.
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Old 20th September 2010, 21:26
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Hafeez will learn in the next match.
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