Faysal Bank T20 International players watch

[Kray_jackson7]

i thought we should have a thread for international players and track their performances. This is for Regulars and people who have a chance of coming back into the team.

MATCH 1

Peshawar Panthers
Younis khan - 22 (29)

Lahore Lions
Abdul razzaq - 60 (30) - Bowling 4 overs 1 -42
mohammed yousuf - 1(4)
Umar Akmal - 4 (8)
Wahab riaz - 4 overs 0-11

Karachi Zebras
Danish kaneria - 3.4 overs 0-27

Sialkot Stallions
Rana Naved-ul-hasan - 4 (9) and bowling 4 overs 1-20
Imran Nazir - 64* (42)
Shoaib Malik - 14* (11)

Faisalabad Wolves
Mohammed hafeez - 37 (30) and bowling 4 overs 2-12
misbah ul-haq - 3 (6)
saeed ajmal - 4 overs 0-11

Multan Tigers
Mohammed irfan - 4 overs 2-11

Karachi dolphins
Shahid Afridi - 22 (13) And bowling 4 overs 0-31
Shahziab hasan - 76 (38)
Fawad alam - 12 (7)
Asad shafiq - 31 (25)
Mohammed sami - 4 overs 3-40

Lahore Eagles
Imran Farhat - 14 (13)
taufeeq umar - 78* (55)
azhar ali - 10 (10)

Rawalpindi Rams
Umar amin - 24 (20)
yasir arafat - 20 (20) and bowling 2 overs 1-19
sohail tanvir - 27 (16) and bowling 2 overs 1-19

Islamabad Leopards
Shoaib Akhtar - 4 overs 1-27


Match 2: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...&postcount=100

Match 3:: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...&postcount=103

[Saj]

Yousuf and Umar Akmal continue their poor run of late.

[*sallu*]

Good thread

Please keep the OP updated

[*sallu*]

Lahore's big guns (Umar Akmal and Yousuf with the bat and Razzaq with the ball) really let them down

[*sallu*]

Pakistan's test rockstars shine for Zebras as expected

Manzoor and Iqbal

Edit: And Hasan Raza as well

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 i thought we should have a thread for international players and track their performances. This is for Regulars and people who have a chance of coming back into the team. Peshawar Panthers Younis khan - 22 (29) Mohammad Irfan - 3 overs 1-25 Lahore Lions Abdul razzaq - 60 (30) - Bowling 4 overs 1 -42 mohammed yousuf - 1(4) Umar Akmal - 4 (8) Wahab riaz - 4 overs 0-11

Leading the pack

[Kray_jackson7]

Anyone want me to add someone on the list just mention it.

[usman2321]

Junaid Khan 4 overs 11 for 2

[iHammad]

add nasir jamshed

[hashbb]

Originally Posted by iHammad add nasir jamshed

Should only include the regulars

[hashbb]

Rana Naveed 4 overs: 1 - 20

[*sallu*]

LOL
Shoaib Malik hiding behind lesser players even in a domestic t20 match

I forgot how pathetic and afraid a batsman this guy was

[usman2321]

http://www.cricinfo.com/pakdomestic-...er/318788.html

[*sallu*]

Karachi's international players have been shocking

Kaneria throwing down rubbish

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by *sallu* LOL Shoaib Malik hiding behind lesser players even in a domestic t20 match I forgot how pathetic and afraid a batsman this guy was

or he could be allowing other people to play a bit

[FastBowler]

can you put in Imran Nazir
and Shoaib Malik

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by FastBowler or he could be allowing other people to play a bit

Ofcourse

At 22-2, its just the time to give others a chance

Story of his life

[Kray_jackson7]

Updated

[Energy]

Impressive figures for Riaz.

[cryptkeeper*]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Ofcourse At 22-2, its just the time to give others a chance Story of his life

I don't know if it's just me, but about 33 % of your posts downgrade Malik. ; get over it.

Malik bats really well on South Asian pitches, there can be several reasons why he came later on. & FYI, the Stallions are the best domestic team we have, they don't have to heavily rely on Malik to achieve wins, hope that explains something here.....

[shaykh1985]

Junaid Khan had a super day will the ball...seems a shame he wont be in South Africa in some form...would have been nice to give him an opportunity in the limited overs games at least...

Btw I was wondering if there is any specific reason Sarfaraz Ahmed the bowler for Sialkot has never played for Pakistan in any form across his career...notice hes 31 and his stats look quite impressive for a domestic career...was he never good enough?...

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by cryptkeeper* I don't know if it's just me, but about 33 % of your posts downgrade Malik. ; get over it. Malik bats really well on South Asian pitches, there can be several reasons why he came later on. & FYI, the Stallions are the best domestic team we have, they don't have to heavily rely on Malik to achieve wins, hope that explains something here.....

Well, read my posts carefully.

I have been mentioning for sometime now that Malik should play in the sub continent and on flat pitches in LOI and should be continued to be ignored in tests and on tougher pitches in LOIs.

There can be several reasons ofcourse, there can be several reasons for every decision taken by anyone ever in the history of mankind.
But the highest probability is that Malik was unwilling to take responsibility and come out at 4 with his side in a spot of bother.

Sialkot have been winning because of individual brilliance and not great captaincy, if you think otherwise, you need a reality check

[cryptkeeper*]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Well, read my posts carefully. I have been mentioning for sometime now that Malik should play in the sub continent and on flat pitches in LOI and should be continued to be ignored in tests and on tougher pitches in LOIs. There can be several reasons ofcourse, there can be several reasons for every decision taken by anyone ever in the history of mankind. But the highest probability is that Malik was unwilling to take responsibility and come out at 4 with his side in a spot of bother. Sialkot have been winning because of individual brilliance and not great captaincy, if you think otherwise, you need a reality check

@ bold: I think that IS what I just said above? Read carefully again..

I don't think that's the "highest probability" generally speaking, that can not be the case everytime. Once or twice, maybe, but every freakin' time? No. according to your calculations? maybe, but that means nothing overall anyways.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by *sallu* LOL Shoaib Malik hiding behind lesser players even in a domestic t20 match I forgot how pathetic and afraid a batsman this guy was

Plus he was scared of zebra's batsmen and Refused to bowl.

[cryptkeeper*]

Originally Posted by Anwaar Plus he was scared of zebra's batsmen and Refused to bowl.

Very true.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Sialkot have been winning because of individual brilliance and not great captaincy, if you think otherwise, you need a reality check

Malik is world's best T20 captain but you have a point that
SS winning cause of Malik's consistent brilliance:


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[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by Anwaar Malik is world's best T20 captain but you have a point that SS winning cause of Malik's consistent brilliance:

Where did you get the idea that he is the worlds best T20 captain?

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 Where did you get the idea that he is the worlds best T20 captain?

ICC official data

[Faisalabadimunda]

Pakistan players have a good chance before the saffer series to get into form in this tournament.

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by Anwaar Malik is world's best T20 captain but you have a point that SS winning cause of Malik's consistent brilliance:

I agree, Sialkot have been winning because of Maliks, Ranas and Nazirs individual performances mostly

That does not make Malik a good captain or a good international player though

Hes just about good enough to play for Pakistan on flat pitches or against Ind, Bang or Zimbabwe and that too only in LOIs

[shaykh1985]

Originally Posted by Anwaar Malik is world's best T20 captain but you have a point that SS winning cause of Malik's consistent brilliance: Attachment 9246 Attachment 9247

I actually agree with you here...this winning streak is incredible and captaincy is important in determining whether a side wins...

Malik gets a lot of stick on this forum but I dont feel anyone can dispute what a brilliant captain he has been for the Stallions...for those suggesting his captaincy has nothing to do with the side winning thats nonsense...

We're constantly discussing on this forum the importance of captaincy to get a side winning and then decide to suggest that a guy who has captained a side supremely successfully is only doing it because of the talent in his side is grossly unfair...Malik manages this set of player very well...

And no this isnt an endorsement for his captaincy in the International arena but credit is due for his domestic form...

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Ofcourse At 22-2, its just the time to give others a chance Story of his life

chasing 100

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Sialkot have been winning because of individual brilliance and not great captaincy, if you think otherwise, you need a reality check

this is just rubbish. in that case I could say we won the 2009 T20s cuz of individual brilliance from Aamer, Afridi, Razzaq, Gul, Malik but it took Younus' captaincy or we wouldn't have won.

you just blindly hate Malik especially as a captain.

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by FastBowler this is just rubbish. in that case I could say we won the 2009 T20s cuz of individual brilliance from Aamer, Afridi, Razzaq, Gul, Malik but it took Younus' captaincy or we wouldn't have won. you just blindly hate Malik especially as a captain.

Malik has never had to lead Sialkot after the entire world had written them off and they were 1 more loss away from elimination
Malik didn't have to fight against the odds with the whole country thinking hes not cut out for the format and turn out being the best batsman in the side.

If Malik faced even 5% the pressure that YK faced after the Srilanka loss with the country down and out and the team ready to pack its bags and he brings his side out from the ashes and leads them to a miraculous world cup victory, I will never criticize his captaincy again. Fair enough? Because thats what Muhammad Younis Khan did.

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by *sallu* LOL Shoaib Malik hiding behind lesser players even in a domestic t20 match I forgot how pathetic and afraid a batsman this guy was

I get you don't like Malik and why you don't, but could it be *gasp!* giving an opportunity for other players to have a bat?

You don't need to tear apart each and every thing the guy does.

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz I get you don't like Malik and why you don't, but could it be *gasp!* giving an opportunity for other players to have a bat?

Then why'd he happily come at number 5 with the game all but sealed?

[RehanG]

Originally Posted by hashbb Should only include the regulars

since when is Younis regular?

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Then why'd he happily come at number 5 with the game all but sealed?

Mate it's just one of those things. This isn't a career make-or-break match for Malik--plenty of captains have pushed Rana up as a Twenty20 pinch-hitter. Point is you shouldn't attack each and every thing the fellow does just because you don't like him--fact is he's a good limited overs player and a successful captain for Sialkot

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz Mate it's just one of those things. This isn't a career make-or-break match for Malik--plenty of captains have pushed Rana up as a Twenty20 pinch-hitter. Point is you shouldn't attack each and every thing the fellow does just because you don't like him--fact is he's a good limited overs player (against medicore bowling and/or flat conditions) and a successful captain for Sialkot

fixed

He hides behind other players and is reluctant to take responsibility and lead from the front

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by shaykh1985 I actually agree with you here...this winning streak is incredible and captaincy is important in determining whether a side wins... Malik gets a lot of stick on this forum but I dont feel anyone can dispute what a brilliant captain he has been for the Stallions...for those suggesting his captaincy has nothing to do with the side winning thats nonsense... We're constantly discussing on this forum the importance of captaincy to get a side winning and then decide to suggest that a guy who has captained a side supremely successfully is only doing it because of the talent in his side is grossly unfair...Malik manages this set of player very well... And no this isnt an endorsement for his captaincy in the International arena but credit is due for his domestic form...

Good that we agree on some point....

For who don't, I have been asking a simple question for months now, and I repeat:

Q: Point some tactical mistakes committed on field by SM as captain.

The best answer I got, was:
"As SM does nothing, so he hasn't committed any good or bad thing as captain"


Players are joining and leaving SS but team is churning out results years after year and I gave a lot of thought to it and I rate as below:

1- Management of SS is exceptional.
2- Leadership of SM is unmatched.
3- SM knows how to get the best of his team players and also the weaknesses of opponents and how to exploit them.


Denying Malik's contribution as a skipper would be rooted from hatred for him.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by *sallu* I agree, Sialkot have been winning because of Maliks, Ranas and Nazirs individual performances mostly That does not make Malik a good captain or a good international player though Hes just about good enough to play for Pakistan on flat pitches or against Ind, Bang or Zimbabwe and that too only in LOIs

You missing SA
Plus ODIs, T20 are played on flat tracks...so whats the issue here?

[hashbb]

Mohammed Hafeez

Batting: 37 (30)
Bowling: 4-0-12-2

Good all round performance from Hafeez

[hashbb]

Misbah-Ul-Haq

Batting: 3 (6)

[hashbb]

Saeed Ajmal

Bowling: 4-2-11-0

No wicket, but very economical, Batsmen were just looking to take singles off him

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by hashbb Misbah-Ul-Haq Batting: 3 (6)

Definitely our captain material. If his performance didn't go down after becoming captain, he would not fit Pakistan cricket standards.

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by hashbb Saeed Ajmal Bowling: 4-2-11-0 No wicket, but very economical, Batsmen were just looking to take singles off him

The batsmen were completely intimidated by him. They were scared to score runs against him.

[shaykh1985]

Originally Posted by hashbb Saeed Ajmal Bowling: 4-2-11-0 No wicket, but very economical, Batsmen were just looking to take singles off him

It was Quetta though...isnt their losing streak the equivalent of Sialkots winning one?...

[nomz15]

What team is zularnain haider playing for in the RBS 20/20? Probably should add him to the players to watch for list.

[Kamranaazam]

Adnan from Abbottabad Falcons

[hashbb]

Mohammed Irfan

Bowling: 4-1-11-2

Impressive

[Shaka81]

Mohammad Irfan bowled really well for Multan today. His stats: 4 - 1 - 11 - 2

[Shaka81]

Originally Posted by hashbb Mohammed Irfan Bowling: 4-1-11-2 Impressive

You beat me to it! LOL!

[nomz15]

What team is zularnain haider playing for in the RBS 20/20? Probably should add him to the players to watch for list.

[Amjid Javed]

All these T20 games should be gaged as is Match practice! Pakistan domestic cricket is not a yard stick for anything else.

[Kamranaazam]

Navid Yasin

[hashbb]

Originally Posted by Kamranaazam Navid Yasin

This is the international players thread

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Then why'd he happily come at number 5 with the game all but sealed?

Match was sealed when SS bowlers calibrated their line n length as per Malik's direction.

Malik captaincy strangled KZ to death in first few overs...and in rest of the match they were just bleedingh...

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed All these T20 games should be gaged as is Match practice! Pakistan domestic cricket is not a yard stick for anything else.

I recall someone sometime ago bringing domestic stats now they are good 4 nothing.

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by Anwaar Match was sealed when SS bowlers calibrated their line n length as per Malik's direction. Malik captaincy strangled KZ to death in first few overs...and in rest of the match they were just bleedingh...

Was it Malik's captaincy or the difference in quality of the players?

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Was it Malik's captaincy or the difference in quality of the players?

Malik's captaincy has always been a factor in Stallions winning streak. You gotta hand him for that. Yesterday, all Stallion bowlers were bowling short, if 1 or 2 bowlers had done, you can attribute it to quality of players but that certainly looked like clear team strategy. That coupled with inefficient Zebra's batting lead to a dismal collapse.

Captainship always have a huge effect on the outcome, that is what separates this game from the rest. A good example could be Zebra's performance this year as the same team did a 1000 times better last season and dragged even better Stallions side up to the last over. So what is the difference this year? Bhanja is the captain instead of Hasan Raza.

And this idiot is going to lead our A-team in few days. Another master stroke by the selectors

[Kray_jackson7]

Including regulars and recent players.

[Kamranaazam]

Add Faisal Ather from Hyderabad Hawks

[hashbb]

Mohammed Sami

Bowling: 4-0-40-3

Horrible economy rate, but took a wicket in almost everyover

[FastBowler]

great yorker by Sami for his last wicket.
also a good outswinger to get Azeem Ghumman.

[FastBowler]

sallu's talking rubbish jsut cuz he hates Malik

[Pakprideuk]

Yea you can't argue Malik's strategy and captaining in that game, i remember one of the bowlers getting driven and he went straight up to him and he started bowling short of a length and the karachi batsmen couldn't handle it.

[Energy]

Who was the best performer of the day batting and bowling wise?

I'm sorry but I have no access to the matches and I can't judge based on scorecards so your answers would be much appreciated.

[Kray_jackson7]

Updated after todays set of Games.

[Rizwan25]

Lal Kumar, Faisal Ather and Sherjeel Khan from HHs.

All 3 of them are far better then Manzoor, Latif and Dammad but lack of ****** is not letting them break into the team.

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by Hassam Nasarullah Who was the best performer of the day batting and bowling wise? I'm sorry but I have no access to the matches and I can't judge based on scorecards so your answers would be much appreciated.

Sami wasn't very consistent and bowled some bad balls, but his wickets were really good balls. A good outswinger to remove Azeem Ghumman and a great yorker to take care of Lal Kumar.

But his stats show accurately how he bowled, expensive but took wickets.

He and Afridi looked the best from a poor bowling display by Karachi today.

[Energy]

Originally Posted by FastBowler Sami wasn't very consistent and bowled some bad balls, but his wickets were really good balls. A good outswinger to remove Azeem Ghumman and a great yorker to take care of Lal Kumar. But his stats show accurately how he bowled, expensive but took wickets. He and Afridi looked the best from a poor bowling display by Karachi today.

Thanks for the info mate.

Regular wickets will only help Sami build some sort of confidence.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Was it Malik's captaincy or the difference in quality of the players?

So you believe that only SS got quality and rest are just rubbish?
To answer your question, as i said b4, difference is SS management (also very important) and Malik's leadership. Abbotabad could have easily defeated LL under Malik.

Meanwhile, I understand your feeling. Very hard to acknowledge someone's achievements when "everything" invested in hating that "someone".

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by Pakprideuk Yea you can't argue Malik's strategy and captaining in that game, i remember one of the bowlers getting driven and he went straight up to him and he started bowling short of a length and the karachi batsmen couldn't handle it.

Even commentrator shouted the very same thing multiple times
But I would give sallu benefit of doubt that maybe he was on mute.

In addition to wat we all know that he shuts his eyes as Malik comes on screen.

[Rizwan25]

Ooo Anwar pagi kyaa rollaaa dala hota haay her thread paaay yar.....?

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by Anwaar So you believe that only SS got quality and rest are just rubbish?

Rest are not rubbish but the difference in quality of Sialkot and the rest is very vast

Shoaib Malik
Rana Naved
Muhammad Asif
Imran Nazir
Abdul Razzaq
Abdur Rehman

are 6 very highly experienced (5 of them are very experienced at the international level)

How many sides have 5 experienced international players who have been stars in the side in their best years?

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Rest are not rubbish but the difference in quality of Sialkot and the rest is very vast Shoaib Malik Rana Naved Muhammad Asif Imran Nazir Abdul Razzaq Abdur Rehman are 6 very highly experienced (5 of them are very experienced at the international level) How many sides have 5 experienced international players who have been stars in the side in their best years?

Fact #1: SS won 5 consective tournment.
Fact#2: SS undefeated for over 5 years.
Fact#3: Asif was not part of all tournments (due to various reasons)
Fact#4: Razzaq was just part of one tournment and SS won 4 times without him. It was Malik favor to accept his request to include him. Razzaq part of LL but couldn't give them a win.

Fact#5

oct 8th, 2008
defeated kd in final with following team.
i don't see razzaq/asif/rana and even Imran Nazir.


Kamran Younis
Faisal Naved
Mansoor Amjad
Malik
Qaiser Abbas
Adeel Malik
Abdur Rehman
M. ayub
Sarfraz
Shakeel Ansar
Kashif Raza

Defeated LL with same team on oct 7th

LL had
SB
Nasir Jamshed
MoYo
Ahmed Shehzad
wahab
kami
umer akmal

Accept it that your thinking is blinded by a undiluted hatred.

[Omar Malik]

Just wanted to ask a simple question...Is this tourny being shown LIVE in the UK on GEO? I havent seen any and just had a look for highlights on their schedule for tonight and can't see anything as of yet!

[cric_crazy]

Originally Posted by farazaidi Malik's captaincy has always been a factor in Stallions winning streak. You gotta hand him for that. Yesterday, all Stallion bowlers were bowling short, if 1 or 2 bowlers had done, you can attribute it to quality of players but that certainly looked like clear team strategy. That coupled with inefficient Zebra's batting lead to a dismal collapse. Captainship always have a huge effect on the outcome, that is what separates this game from the rest. A good example could be Zebra's performance this year as the same team did a 1000 times better last season and dragged even better Stallions side up to the last over. So what is the difference this year? Bhanja is the captain instead of Hasan Raza. And this idiot is going to lead our A-team in few days. Another master stroke by the selectors

agreed for most of the part but faisal was the captain in last season as well and he played a very crucial knock to take the match so close to the SS in last tournament.........

[cric_crazy]

Originally Posted by Rizwan25 Lal Kumar, Faisal Ather and Sherjeel Khan from HHs. All 3 of them are far better then Manzoor, Latif and Dammad but lack of ****** is not letting them break into the team.

lol wt ****** all three who u mentioned are not even in the squad.............ask salman butt, kamran akmal, imran farhat.......they will tell u wt being ****** is all about..........Its just that players from particular region are not given as many chances as ****** players from one region..............

[zulfi00]

Last two years PCB have given out so many test and ODI caps that they ran out of caps for players. SO based on your title, your list may grow too big