Faysal Bank T20 International players watch

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 Anyone want me to add someone on the list just mention it.

Add Taufeeq Umar, Faisal Iqbal, Manzoor, Rehman and Zulqarnain.

[shaykh1985]

Taufeeq averages over 40 in T20s with a century at a SR of 141...with all the debates about Nazir and Shahzaib maybe his name should be chucked into the hat...he having a good game today too...

[Kamranaazam]

Sohail Tanveer

27 from 16 balls with two sixes and two fours...............

[Kamranaazam]

Yasir Arafat good looking 20 unfortunately was run out.

[Kray_jackson7]

Updated with todays latest

[Kray_jackson7]

End of match day Updates.

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Was it Malik's captaincy or the difference in quality of the players?

Tbh Sallu I used to take your posts seriously but your obsession with discrediting each and every thing Shoaib Malik does has changed that. Yes he has done some pretty poor things but he's a decent captain with a superb record.

[Energy]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 End of match day Updates.

I would suggest if you can update the overall statistics for batting and bowling analysis rather than by Matches because its looks a little messy.

But a good progression board to keep a close eye on who is achieving what.

Most impressed with Riaz to be really honest.

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz Tbh Sallu I used to take your posts seriously but your obsession with discrediting each and every thing Shoaib Malik does has changed that. Yes he has done some pretty poor things but he's a decent captain with a superb record.

I'm not doubting his credentials as a domestic t20 cricketer

Hes right up there at the top

But some people here are under the impression that Malik's captaincy is the reason why Sialkot Stallions have been winning, I personally don't. Sialkot simply have had too many big stars in their lineup compared to others (in previous years)

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by *sallu* I'm not doubting his credentials as a domestic t20 cricketer Hes right up there at the top But some people here are under the impression that Malik's captaincy is the reason why Sialkot Stallions have been winning, I personally don't. Sialkot simply have had too many big stars in their lineup compared to others (in previous years)

Repeat Telecast:

Fact #1: SS won 5 consective tournment.
Fact#2: SS undefeated for over 5 years.
Fact#3: Asif was not part of all tournments (due to various reasons)
Fact#4: Razzaq was just part of one tournment and SS won 4 times without him. It was Malik favor to accept his request to include him. Razzaq part of LL but couldn't give them a win.

Fact#5

oct 8th, 2008
defeated kd in final with following team.
i don't see razzaq/asif/rana and even Imran Nazir.


Kamran Younis
Faisal Naved
Mansoor Amjad
Malik
Qaiser Abbas
Adeel Malik
Abdur Rehman
M. ayub
Sarfraz
Shakeel Ansar
Kashif Raza

Defeated LL with same team on oct 7th

LL had
SB
Nasir Jamshed
MoYo
Ahmed Shehzad
wahab
kami
umer akmal

Accept it that your thinking is blinded by a undiluted hatred.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz Tbh Sallu I used to take your posts seriously but your obsession with discrediting each and every thing Shoaib Malik does has changed that. Yes he has done some pretty poor things but he's a decent captain with a superb record.

Yes, sadly, Sallu has lost objectivity here for some reason.

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by Hassam Nasarullah I would suggest if you can update the overall statistics for batting and bowling analysis rather than by Matches because its looks a little messy. But a good progression board to keep a close eye on who is achieving what. Most impressed with Riaz to be really honest.

I see what you mean. i will come up with something shortly

[ahmed16]

[QUOTE=*sallu*;3038204]I'm not doubting his credentials as a domestic t20 cricketer

Hes right up there at the top

But some people here are under the impression that Malik's captaincy is the reason why Sialkot Stallions have been winning, I personally don't. Sialkot simply have had too many big stars in their lineup compared to others (in previous years)[/QUOTE]

na mate sorry, Im not a big supporter of Malik, but if having big stars is the criteria for winning domestic T20 tournaments then what has happened to the Karachi Dolphins and Lahore Lions (the latter has read like a bonafide Pakistan line up over the past 2-3 years), why have they not had a 5 plus winning streak? Agreed Maliks captaincy is not the sole reason for Sialkots winning streak but I certainly think it is a deciding factor.

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by ahmed16 na mate sorry, Im not a big supporter of Malik, but if having big stars is the criteria for winning T20 tournaments then what has happened to the Karachi Dolphins and Lahore Lions (the latter has read like a bonafide Pakistan line up over the past 2-3 years), why have they not had a 5 winning streak? Agreed Maliks captaincy is not the sole reason for Sialkots winning streak but I certainly think it is deciding factor.

Then why did our talented national team struggle so much when Malik was captain?

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Then why did our talented national team struggle so much when Malik was captain?

Maybe because the domestic team would never think of questioning whatever Shoaib bhai says or does, whereas the national team is a different case altogether.

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by Maula Jutt Maybe because the domestic team would never think of questioning whatever Shoaib bhai says or does, whereas the national team is a different case altogether.

Actually if we see Win/Loss Ratio and Win%age wise Malik is World's best Captain at the moment.

Everything was going ok when Mush had to resign> then Ashraf resigned > Jeff sacked > 8/9 players refused to play under Malik > PCB supported a revolt against Malik and sacked him (Players underperformed against SL: in last 3 ODIs)

[ahmed16]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Then why did our talented national team struggle so much when Malik was captain?

mate I didnt say Malik was a good ODI/test captain did I? That would be like saying Afridi can handle tests.

If i remember rightly as far as International T20 is concerned, Malik has one of the best records as a captain.

Where talking purely T20 because this is a T20 tournament, if you want to talk ODI/tests then Im sure you have a point about the quality of his team, he captained the Punjab Stallions in some List A Pentangular cup where he led them to the title, the problem is that Punjab Stallions was basically the Pakistan cricket team sans Afridi/Gul/Younus, If you look at his international ODI record as captain that is not great either, so yeah in the longer forms of the game he does come up short in captaincy, but to say that Sialkot has won 5 T20 tournaments a row and that it is not in some parts due to Maliks captaincy, that to me is simply the talk of a hater.

[ahmed16]

Originally Posted by Maula Jutt Maybe because the domestic team would never think of questioning whatever Shoaib bhai says or does, whereas the national team is a different case altogether.

Thats a good point aswell, too many egos in Pakistan cricket team, Malik was appointed at a time where in terms of seniority (a huge factor in the Pakistan team as we have seen) there where at least 5 players above him. Thats not to say that you can blame Malik failing on that, for the most part he never captained more than 2 of those 5 in his career.

The same ego factor is also present in the reign of captains post-Malik.

[shaykh1985]

Not everyones favourite player but Wahab has been impressive in both the games hes played so far...

[Kray_jackson7]

Match 2

Peshawar Panthers
Younis khan - 31 (19)

Lahore Lions
Abdul razzaq 3*(3) Bowling 4 overs 2-28
mohammed yousuf - Did not play
Umar Akmal - 52 (29)
Wahab riaz - 3 overs 3-15

Karachi Zebras
Danish kaneria

Sialkot Stallions
Rana Naved-ul-hasan - 8* (15) and bowling 3 overs 2-25
Imran Nazir - 45 (15)
Shoaib Malik - 32 (26) and bowling 3 overs 0-18

Faisalabad Wolves
Mohammed hafeez - 0 (3) And bowling 4 overs 1-18
misbah ul-haq - 47 (32)
saeed ajmal - Bowling 4 overs 0-26 And Batting 13* (13)

Multan Tigers
Mohammed irfan - 3 overs 0-20

Karachi dolphins
Shahid Afridi - 48 (18) And Bowling 3 overs 2 - 28 (2 run outs)
Shahziab hasan - 101* (61)
Fawad alam - DNB And bowling 2 overs 0-32
Asad Shafiq - DNB
Mohammed sami - DNB And Bowling 4 overs 0-35

Lahore Eagles
Imran Farhat - 4 overs 0-57 And Batting 53 (36)
taufeeq umar - 28 (19)
azhar ali - 6 (2)

Rawalpindi Rams
Umar amin - 8 (8)
yasir arafat - 2(4) and bowling 4 overs 1-46
sohail tanvir - 15 (9) and Bowling 4 overs 0-33

Islamabad Leopards
Shoaib Akhtar - 4 overs 4-20

[pakcricketfan]

^ Please add Zulqarnain and Abdur Rehman too.

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Then why did our talented national team struggle so much when Malik was captain?

Sallu do you have a selective memory? Malik was fine as captain...yes his record was inflated by those matches v ZIM and Bangladesh but 23 out of 36 as cappo is pretty hot for a "struggling" team. His personal traits are a whole other thing but he is one of the most underrated and unjustly attacked players on this site

[Kray_jackson7]

Match 3

Peshawar Panthers
Younis khan - 0 (1)

Lahore Lions
Abdul razzaq - Bowling 4 overs 3-12 / DNB
mohammed yousuf - DNB
Umar Akmal - 68* (57)
Wahab riaz - 4 overs 1-11

Karachi Zebras
Danish kaneria

Sialkot Stallions
Rana Naved-ul-hasan
Imran Nazir
Shoaib Malik

Faisalabad Wolves
Mohammed hafeez
misbah ul-haq
saeed ajmal

Multan Tigers
Mohammed irfan

Karachi dolphins
Shahid Afridi
Shahziab hasan
Fawad alam
Asad Shafiq
Mohammed sami

Lahore Eagles
Imran Farhat
taufeeq umar
azhar ali

Rawalpindi Rams
Umar amin
yasir arafat
sohail tanvir

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by pakcricketfan ^ Please add Zulqarnain and Abdur Rehman too.

Team for zulqarnain? abdur rehman hasnt played for us in a long time.

[Energy]

My player to watch is fast narrowing down to Wahab Riaz. The guy has had three outstanding games with regular wickets.

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by Anwaar Actually if we see Win/Loss Ratio and Win%age wise Malik is World's best Captain at the moment. Everything was going ok when Mush had to resign> then Ashraf resigned > Jeff sacked > 8/9 players refused to play under Malik > PCB supported a revolt against Malik and sacked him (Players underperformed against SL: in last 3 ODIs)

Thank you for providing the counter-argument

Nothing of that sort happened, you're just trying to put 1 plus 1 here. There were few bitter players (we've always had some from in last 4 decades) and went for the ICL. Nothing of that sort happened, can you please name who are those 8/9 players?

And how is Malik the best captain in the world at the moment? he is not even in his national team? how does that make him the best in the world?

[Desi_Joker]

Sallu was praising YK for still "having it" based on one fluent knock. Should we show him the ridiculousness of that post by saying that's he's now "lost it all" after a golden duck today and should retire?

I used to respect the poster, not anymore after his posts in the last couple of days though... too much of that victim mentality that we're well accustomed to.

[MalikMohsin]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Then why did our talented national team struggle so much when Malik was captain?

Do you want me to remind you of Younus words or his interview especially he explains how the team tried to undermine Malik's captaincy, and betrayed the nation along with Malik because of stupidity, insecure, jealously and much more.

Younus Khan ko phir bhi sharaam haaye ishliye interview main sab kuch bata diya hai lekin tumhein kab haayega sharaam? Chup chaap enjoy kardo T20 domestic tournament.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

shahid shabzada afridi from karachi dolpans

[farhan1]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 Match 3 Peshawar Panthers Younis khan - 0 (1) Lahore Lions Abdul razzaq - Bowling 4 overs 3-12 / DNB mohammed yousuf - DNB Umar Akmal - 68* (57) Wahab riaz - 4 overs 1-11 Karachi Zebras Danish kaneria Sialkot Stallions Rana Naved-ul-hasan Imran Nazir Shoaib Malik Faisalabad Wolves Mohammed hafeez misbah ul-haq saeed ajmal Multan Tigers Mohammed irfan Karachi dolphins Shahid Afridi Shahziab hasan Fawad alam Asad Shafiq Mohammed sami Lahore Eagles Imran Farhat taufeeq umar azhar ali Rawalpindi Rams Umar amin yasir arafat sohail tanvir

Day 3 not match 3 lol

[farhan1]

Originally Posted by UmarAkmals-fan shahid shabzada afridi from karachi dolpans

Apne speling to theek kar lo

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by farazaidi Thank you for providing the counter-argument Nothing of that sort happened, you're just trying to put 1 plus 1 here. There were few bitter players (we've always had some from in last 4 decades) and went for the ICL. Nothing of that sort happened, can you please name who are those 8/9 players? And how is Malik the best captain in the world at the moment? he is not even in his national team? how does that make him the best in the world?

Unfortunately you may have to update/educate yourself.


RE 8/9 players: Why don't you ask YK the names who said about 8/9 players revolting against Malik to Parliamentarians. (hint: that very same day YK and Butt hugged each other).
or call YK a liar.

Pardon me, but your last sentence may earn you a disability support.

[Kamranaazam]

Bigger slap on selectors face

Tanveer is bowled great reverse swing

[shaykh1985]

Tanvir bowled really well at the death today...Shoaib Malik showed why he should be in the one day and T20 side...Yasser showed why he shouldnt even make it into the Rawalpindi side and Hammad proved the matchwinner today...

What I would find interesting is if anyone commends Hammad for his matchwinning 4-50 and also finds themselves amongst those who joined the bandwagon to cuss Sami for his uneconomical 3-40 the other day...

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by shaykh1985 What I would find interesting is if anyone commends Hammad for his matchwinning 4-50 and also finds themselves amongst those who joined the bandwagon to cuss Sami for his uneconomical 3-40 the other day...

All about expectations.

Hammad is 19, has zero international experience and is primarily a batting all-rounder. Hence, we don't expect a LOT from him in bowling so what he delivered today was good.

Sami is 30, has been playing international cricket for 10 years, has received constant coaching and advice from the world's best coaches, yet is still worse than useless. He is also just a bowler, not an all-rounder let alone a batting all-rounder. Hence, the expectations from his bowling should be much, much higher than the expectations from Hammad's bowling!



If you expect Sami's bowling to be of the same calibre as that of a 19 year old uncapped batting all-rounder, you are basically acknowledging that Sami is pathetic.

[shaykh1985]

Originally Posted by ShehryarK All about expectations. Hammad is 19, has zero international experience and is primarily a batting all-rounder. Hence, we don't expect a LOT from him in bowling so what he delivered today was good. Sami is 30, has been playing international cricket for 10 years, has received constant coaching and advice from the world's best coaches, yet is still worse than useless. He is also just a bowler, not an all-rounder let alone a batting all-rounder. Hence, the expectations from his bowling should be much, much higher than the expectations from Hammad's bowling! If you expect Sami's bowling to be of the same calibre as that of a 19 year old uncapped batting all-rounder, you are basically acknowledging that Sami is pathetic.

My point isnt to do with comparing the two players but more to do with angles of attack reserved for Sami...

Now the other day he did a good job...he got 3 wickets and went for plenty but he won the game with his 3 wickets...now an unneccesary thread was opened laying into Sami for his economy rate...now if you dont think hes good enough then thats fine but my point was referring to those that lay into him for his performance that day for his economy rate and then not hesitate in praising a 4-50 performance...if your going to attack someone for their economy rates then be consistent with it...you cant call one persons a 3-40 a terrible performance then praise a 4-50 for being matchwinning...

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by shaykh1985 Now the other day he did a good job...he got 3 wickets and went for plenty but he won the game with his 3 wickets.

Agreed. No point in criticising just for the sake of it. He was the best bowler in his team that day, so didn't deserve criticism.

[hashbb]

Shoaib Akthar:

Bowling

4-0-20-4

[*sallu*]

I must say I've been impressed by Mahmood's bowling today

Edit: and he bowls a shocking wide just as I say that

[cricmylife]

Originally Posted by *sallu* I must say I've been impressed by Mahmood's bowling today Edit: and he bowls a shocking wide just as I say that

attampted slower one gone wrong.. but all in all... Azhar impressed!

[Kamranaazam]

Sohail tanveer and Azhar Mahmood must be in T20 SIDE

[*sallu*]

Originally Posted by Kamranaazam Sohail tanveer and Azhar Mahmood must be in T20 SIDE

I think its too late now for Azhar too make a comeback, but this guy should've definitely played more for Pakistan. Not a doubt in that

[Kray_jackson7]

Azhar has always been a good player, he should definately have played more no doubt. He excelled in england for surrey allround class showing why he is a good allrounder especially in limited overs cricket

[Kray_jackson7]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...&postcount=100

match 2 updated with latest results and goings on

[Kray_jackson7]

Final updates for today.