Would you like ICC to ban Pakistan Cricket for a while?

[UP]

Amid all internal disputes and incompetence within the PCB, would you like Pakistan to take a break from cricket and focus on solving these never ending issues?

It's been quite a few years now since we went ahead without creating any controversy in the tour. We have been in the headlines for all the wrong reasons while other teams focus on winning.

I think we should take a break and look where we are heading in the future.

Or would you like ICC to help PCB while we continue to play cricket?

Mods installing a Poll will be great.

[anakwalajinn]

No

[ShehryarK]

Poll added

[Zain]

Pakistan cricket team has too many box office players , would be a big loss to interntional cricket if pk is banned. I weould rather ICC run pa cricket, rather then a corrupt pcb, i think we wil be better off if ICC take control.

[Dr_Bassim]

We dont need any breaks.

just need ICC to sort our Cricket Board.

[LegendsXI]

yes for about 6 months. So the loss in revenue leads the chief patron to realize how important the game really is. And the domestic circuit wouldnt be too adversely affected.

[the Great Khan]

No, the need PCB must be worked with and monitored..the ICC along with giles clarke are doing a great job right now and tehy should ratchet things up to help Butt initiate some reforms..

[Afridi_Fan]

no.

[muhammad saad]

Option 2 is out of the equation so the only viable option left is #1.

[ShehryarK]

31.25 % voting for a ban! (so far, that is)

[duostyle]

:

Aur ab aik choti si break!

Btw, no.

[Down2Earth]

we need a very long break from the game. corruption is everywhere and people like us pay to watch them and the matches are fixed. something needs to be done now.

[ShehryarK]

40% for a ban.....

[pullshot]

Yes, I can not take anymore of these dramas associated with Pak on every single tour.

[mhraja]

No Sir, I would not like anything that deprives my countrymen from one of the few source of entertainment they have.

I have been blessed by living in many cities of Pakistan and have seen matches with people who doesn’t own TV sets and sit at a dhabba to watch matches with their fellows. The zeal and zest among those people is beyond anyone’s imagination, leaving all the worries of their lives behind them they pray and cheer for the men who are representing them at world stage. The religious, sectarian, regional, family divides fade away for a few hours and everyone has one and the same thing on mind; Pakistan’s victory. Pakistan cricket must live for sake of not just those who are watching at dhabbas but families watching at home, friends arranging large screens in street, people tuning into cricinfo at their offices, people getting sms score updates while travelling and millions of armchair analysts (like us) who love sitting after the match and discuss the match and future changes.

Now coming to the corruption, it’s no secret that PCB is incompetent and corrupt. With patron of PCB refusing to bring in any changes it does seems like ICC must take things in its hand. I am not sure if ICC can do anything to remove corruption from Pakistan cricket because we must clean our own house. But one thing they can do (and they did threat to do) is to oust incompetent administrators of the Pakistan cricket. Once the competent administrators are here we at least can hope to minimize the effect to corruption to maximum extent.

[insaftak]

1 year ban. As much as it will hurt me with Pakistan not playing any cricket but this would help us a lot in fixing so many of our cricket problems I.e incompetence, match fixing, player power and parchiism.

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by mhraja No Sir, I would not like anything that deprives my countrymen from one of the few source of entertainment they have. I have been blessed by living in many cities of Pakistan and have seen matches with people who doesn’t own TV sets and sit at a dhabba to watch matches with their fellows. The zeal and zest among those people is beyond anyone’s imagination, leaving all the worries of their lives behind them they pray and cheer for the men who are representing them at world stage. The religious, sectarian, regional, family divides fade away for a few hours and everyone has one and the same thing on mind; Pakistan’s victory. Pakistan cricket must live for sake of not just those who are watching at dhabbas but families watching at home, friends arranging large screens in street, people tuning into cricinfo at their offices, people getting sms score updates while travelling and millions of armchair analysts (like us) who love sitting after the match and discuss the match and future changes. Now coming to the corruption, it’s no secret that PCB is incompetent and corrupt. With patron of PCB refusing to bring in any changes it does seems like ICC must take things in its hand. I am not sure if ICC can do anything to remove corruption from Pakistan cricket because we must clean our own house. But one thing they can do (and they did threat to do) is to oust incompetent administrators of the Pakistan cricket. Once the competent administrators are here we at least can hope to minimize the effect to corruption to maximum extent.

Great post! POTW, surely?

[Hassan0987]

Originally Posted by mhraja No Sir, I would not like anything that deprives my countrymen from one of the few source of entertainment they have. I have been blessed by living in many cities of Pakistan and have seen matches with people who doesn’t own TV sets and sit at a dhabba to watch matches with their fellows. The zeal and zest among those people is beyond anyone’s imagination, leaving all the worries of their lives behind them they pray and cheer for the men who are representing them at world stage. The religious, sectarian, regional, family divides fade away for a few hours and everyone has one and the same thing on mind; Pakistan’s victory. Pakistan cricket must live for sake of not just those who are watching at dhabbas but families watching at home, friends arranging large screens in street, people tuning into cricinfo at their offices, people getting sms score updates while travelling and millions of armchair analysts (like us) who love sitting after the match and discuss the match and future changes. Now coming to the corruption, it’s no secret that PCB is incompetent and corrupt. With patron of PCB refusing to bring in any changes it does seems like ICC must take things in its hand. I am not sure if ICC can do anything to remove corruption from Pakistan cricket because we must clean our own house. But one thing they can do (and they did threat to do) is to oust incompetent administrators of the Pakistan cricket. Once the competent administrators are here we at least can hope to minimize the effect to corruption to maximum extent.

Nice comment

[LegendsXI]

reform is to remove inti as coach and make him the head of national academy, than back as manager of the team. Fire bari as COO, and appoint Yawar.
Musical chairs.

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by insaftak 1 year ban. As much as it will hurt me with Pakistan not playing any cricket but this would help us a lot in fixing so many of our cricket problems I.e incompetence, match fixing, player power and parchiism.

Ban won't change a single thing.

Butt would continue in power. And if he "retires", would be replaced by someone far worse as the next appointee.

• Domestic cricket would suffer.
• Poor cricketers would suffer.
• All the poor employees of PCB, regional associations and departments would suffer.
• And millions of Cricket fans would be deprived of what they love the most.

[Down2Earth]

the only reason pakistanis have cricket which brings happiness to their lives is because everything else was corrupt and eventually finished, if action isn't taken now, cricket will be finished too.

[insaftak]

Sheryark Bahi, I am assuming the ban would lead to some serious changes in pcb structure and finally someone sane takes over pcb. If this ban doesn't accomplish anything then we have some serious problems.

[Krishnan]

Originally Posted by mhraja No Sir, I would not like anything that deprives my countrymen from one of the few source of entertainment they have. I have been blessed by living in many cities of Pakistan and have seen matches with people who doesn’t own TV sets and sit at a dhabba to watch matches with their fellows. The zeal and zest among those people is beyond anyone’s imagination, leaving all the worries of their lives behind them they pray and cheer for the men who are representing them at world stage. The religious, sectarian, regional, family divides fade away for a few hours and everyone has one and the same thing on mind; Pakistan’s victory. Pakistan cricket must live for sake of not just those who are watching at dhabbas but families watching at home, friends arranging large screens in street, people tuning into cricinfo at their offices, people getting sms score updates while travelling and millions of armchair analysts (like us) who love sitting after the match and discuss the match and future changes. Now coming to the corruption, it’s no secret that PCB is incompetent and corrupt. With patron of PCB refusing to bring in any changes it does seems like ICC must take things in its hand. I am not sure if ICC can do anything to remove corruption from Pakistan cricket because we must clean our own house. But one thing they can do (and they did threat to do) is to oust incompetent administrators of the Pakistan cricket. Once the competent administrators are here we at least can hope to minimize the effect to corruption to maximum extent.

Even though from another country,i would say your team does not need a ban,but not because of this emotional reason,as this is the main reason why they commit corruption.In countries like india and pakistan,the administrators and players know that how much ever we criticize them we will still watch the matches on tv always and still go to the stadiums,make it full.Even for IPL here,i sometimes get a little angry that every match is packed,which gives them more incentive to carry on doing whatever they want,as anyhow we will keep on watching the games.


The reason why ban is not needed is-world cricket especially one day and test cricket need excitement and close games which teams like pakistan provides in otherwise dull scenarios.

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth the only reason pakistanis have cricket which brings happiness to their lives is because everything else was corrupt and eventually finished, if action isn't taken now, cricket will be finished too.

Firstly, huge assumption to say Pak cricket will be finished. A LONG way to go till then, even if it ever happens.

Secondly, the action you are proposing, ie banning Pakistan, would not help in solving the problems. It would merely exacerbate the existing problems.

You'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face. Or throwing out the baby with the bath water. Or something.

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by insaftak Sheryark Bahi, I am assuming the ban would lead to some serious changes in pcb structure and finally someone sane takes over pcb. If this ban doesn't accomplish anything then we have some serious problems.

We both know that we do have serious problems. One's in London, was in Karachi...and one's in Islamabad, should be in Switzerland.

With those sort of people around, a ban won't achieve jack.

[insaftak]

Shehryark bahi, a short term ban on Pakistan cricket could also lead to broader change in Pakistan by forcing people to vote for the competent people. I believe in people of Pakistan and 100% sure they are capable of making the right decisions. The ban on cricket has the potential to wake up the sleeping middle class of Pakistan.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I vote yes. At this moment in time I don't trust the Pakistan cricket officials and very few of the players. They are good to watch but clearly most of them haven't got two braincells to share between them.

[Newton_fan]

37.14 wants Pk cricket Ban

[Dr_Bassim]

Its sad to see half of voters ( nearly 40 percent ) want our team to be banned.

This team won the T20 world cup sometime ago, and brought smiles to faces of millions of people.

In Pakistan, with rising inflation, sky rocketing prices, and job stress and tension

its tragic to see that most of you want to deprive the poor people a few moments of glory brought by our sportsmen.

" Things which matter the most should never be at the mercy of things which matter less "

[muhammad saad]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim Its sad to see half of voters ( nearly 40 percent ) want our team to be banned. This team won the T20 world cup sometime ago, and brought smiles to faces of millions of people. In Pakistan, with rising inflation, sky rocketing prices, and job stress and tension its tragic to see that most of you want to deprive the poor people a few moments of glory fixed by our sportsmen. " Things which matter the most should never be at the mercy of things which matter less "

Corrected

[MRSN]

A big no

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by insaftak Shehryark bahi, a short term ban on Pakistan cricket could also lead to broader change in Pakistan by forcing people to vote for the competent people. [...]

If drone attacks, subversion of the constitution, high treason, murder, bombings, lal masjid massacre, killings in Baluchistan, missing persons, etc etc etc did not achieve that, why would banning our poor cricket team achieve it?

Change will happen through the society and is best achieved through constitutional means.

Originally Posted by insaftak I believe in people of Pakistan and 100% sure they are capable of making the right decisions. The ban on cricket has the potential to wake up the sleeping middle class of Pakistan.

Bhai, I believe in them too - 100%. But not the middle class per se. Even the uneducated and illiterate people that we somehow may look down upon do know right from wrong. They knew it back in 1946 when they created Pakistan and they have known it ever since.

[JibranAnsari]

As much as I want to want to see pakistani team playing cricket , I also want to know whether they are playing to win every time i watch them play for hours. Our whole nation prays for the win but what are the intentions of players ? I do not want to be in any doubt but I have doubts now. I am crazy about pakistani team but do they care a tiny bit that 180 million pakistanis and expatriots who are already stung by corrupt politicians and filthy bureaucrats . Has Pakistan cricket really become a scripted reality show? Is pakistan cricket only an entertainment for us ?No, we spend hours watching cricket and when they they are not playing we always are thinking and discussing about what was so good and what went wrong. Cricket is our passion ,cricket runs in our blood. Who gives anybody a right to tamper with our emotions and play with our life. If India that is the core of betting and bookmaking can control this and keep their players safe , why cant us? I do not want Pakistan cricket banned , I will watch them whenever our team plays but with a doubt in mind whether they are giving 100% or not.

[Sir john]

ban will be too harsh
pak is 2nd largest cricketer follower nation in world.
SO i think game should go on.

[ShehryarK]

31.7% FOR a ban now.

Interesting that all those who voted for the ban are Pakistani or of Pakistani origin.

There are so far four non-Pakistanis who voted in this thread - all voted AGAINST a ban.

[t_kaay]

Although from a normal point of view a ban might act as a kick up the backside in some quarters, there may be another angle you haven't considered. Bearing in mind the current state of world affairs, some elements may see this as yet another act by the "West" against a Muslim country. You can see the terrorist scaremongers having a field day and making the issue into a political one. For this reason, I think it is up to the ICC to guide and control the PCB. Maybe the ICC can convey a vote of no confidence in the PCB and force a change??

[Newton_fan]

Originally Posted by ShehryarK 31.7% FOR a ban now. Interesting that all those who voted for the ban are Pakistani or of Pakistani origin. There are so far four non-Pakistanis who voted in this thread - all voted AGAINST a ban.

Woh Humari Bebasi ka maza lena chate hain.

[Savak]

The corruption in our cricket board wont go anywhere till we do our utmost to remove corruption from our country and leaders first and foremost.

[Shoaib356]

yap.

[hasanb]

I am shocked to see 27% voting for a ban, this would achieve absolutely nothing it would cause no societal of administrational change whatsoever and it would irrepairably harm the development of cricket in Pakistan. I dont think the people who voted for a ban have thought through the consequences of a ban at all...and in my humble opinion voting for a ban is indicative of an immature, emotional and jazbaati thought process.

In my view though we should NOT be banned under any circumstances, but the control of ALL cricket relating matters should be taken away from the PCB completely...and all control and all decision making should be placed squarely in the hands of the ICC. This would send as strong a message as a ban would without the damaging consequences. It would also takeaway any cricket related power away from the "president" of Pakistan in one move.

[James]

I voted for the ICC to help the PCB - more than they do now, but not to take over the team, or else it would be like the ICC XI. The ODI series in UAE and Eng showed how much Pak cricket has to give to the game, but they clearly need stricter regulation off the field.

[acewings]

What makes anyone think that a ban of any length would get the PCB to sort its house in order? Probably just give bookies more time to find more contacts withing the team/management...

[mhraja]

Originally Posted by Krishnan Even though from another country,i would say your team does not need a ban,but not because of this emotional reason,as this is the main reason why they commit corruption.In countries like india and pakistan,the administrators and players know that how much ever we criticize them we will still watch the matches on tv always and still go to the stadiums,make it full.Even for IPL here,i sometimes get a little angry that every match is packed,which gives them more incentive to carry on doing whatever they want,as anyhow we will keep on watching the games.

I think saying that people’s emotions and passion for the game are the core reason for the game’s corruption is unjust with fans.

If this is the case then I think only solution is that we fans should back off from our passion for the game and stop watching matches.

I think the corruption is because of our system’s incompetency to cope with illegal betting and not fans passion for the game.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by mhraja No Sir, I would not like anything that deprives my countrymen from one of the few source of entertainment they have. I have been blessed by living in many cities of Pakistan and have seen matches with people who doesn’t own TV sets and sit at a dhabba to watch matches with their fellows. The zeal and zest among those people is beyond anyone’s imagination, leaving all the worries of their lives behind them they pray and cheer for the men who are representing them at world stage. The religious, sectarian, regional, family divides fade away for a few hours and everyone has one and the same thing on mind; Pakistan’s victory. Pakistan cricket must live for sake of not just those who are watching at dhabbas but families watching at home, friends arranging large screens in street, people tuning into cricinfo at their offices, people getting sms score updates while travelling and millions of armchair analysts (like us) who love sitting after the match and discuss the match and future changes. Now coming to the corruption, it’s no secret that PCB is incompetent and corrupt. With patron of PCB refusing to bring in any changes it does seems like ICC must take things in its hand. I am not sure if ICC can do anything to remove corruption from Pakistan cricket because we must clean our own house. But one thing they can do (and they did threat to do) is to oust incompetent administrators of the Pakistan cricket. Once the competent administrators are here we at least can hope to minimize the effect to corruption to maximum extent.

anyone advocating a ban should read above..bravo sir..

lets ban the last vestage of entertainment that our beleagured population has left..!! i dont think so!

good to see the poll is overwhelmingly in favour of not banning..

[hasanb]

One really big benefit of the ICC taking control is that the "president of pakistan" will no longer be patron in chief...that has to be a massive benefit for our cricket.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by ShehryarK 31.7% FOR a ban now. Interesting that all those who voted for the ban are Pakistani or of Pakistani origin. There are so far four non-Pakistanis who voted in this thread - all voted AGAINST a ban.

I would too if I was in their shoes. It's a nice insurance cushion knowing that no matter what trouble is round the corner for your own team, there is always those crackpots from Pakistan to deflect the worst of it.

[Passion4Pakistan]

Would you like ICC to ban Pakistan Cricket for a while?

I Voted Others, as I would like you to get banned for a while from PP.

Originally Posted by Umair Paracha! Amid all internal disputes and incompetence within the PCB, would you like Pakistan to take a break from cricket and focus on solving these never ending issues?

Very Senseless Comment there..

If these are Never Ending issue, Then Pakistan should take a Break from Cricket Forever..

Login in a forum and saying big big comments won't change the face Of Pakistan Cricket.

If you really love Pakistan Cricket, Try to help Pakistan Cricket from your position..

You know, the People are Running PCB are Uneducated, So, If you are Educated and Love Pakistan cricket Come On the administrative field and face the problems and Solve them..

Pakistan Cricket means Our Cricket. Now, We are asking for a Break means We are cowards.

[James]

Actually I would like to see Pakistan remain in cricket, because apart from England (who I support) and Australia (so I can egg on the other team and hope they beat the Aussies), Pakistan are the team I enjoy watching the most.

[hasanb]

^ShehryarK did not say that...why are you quoting him?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Whippy Actually I would like to see Pakistan remain in cricket, because apart from England (who I support) and Australia (so I can egg on the other team and hope they beat the Aussies), Pakistan are the team I enjoy watching the most.

I was sort of joking. I have figured by now that any non-Pakistani that hangs round these forums must have some connection with Pak cricket or just a good sense of humour

[Passion4Pakistan]

Originally Posted by hasanb ^ShehryarK did not say that...why are you quoting him?

Sorry.. OP and He both have similar Avatar, I mistakenly quoted him for this reason.. I have already edited that.

[Ummer Khan]

Originally Posted by mhraja No Sir, I would not like anything that deprives my countrymen from one of the few source of entertainment they have. I have been blessed by living in many cities of Pakistan and have seen matches with people who doesn’t own TV sets and sit at a dhabba to watch matches with their fellows. The zeal and zest among those people is beyond anyone’s imagination, leaving all the worries of their lives behind them they pray and cheer for the men who are representing them at world stage. The religious, sectarian, regional, family divides fade away for a few hours and everyone has one and the same thing on mind; Pakistan’s victory. Pakistan cricket must live for sake of not just those who are watching at dhabbas but families watching at home, friends arranging large screens in street, people tuning into cricinfo at their offices, people getting sms score updates while travelling and millions of armchair analysts (like us) who love sitting after the match and discuss the match and future changes. Now coming to the corruption, it’s no secret that PCB is incompetent and corrupt. With patron of PCB refusing to bring in any changes it does seems like ICC must take things in its hand. I am not sure if ICC can do anything to remove corruption from Pakistan cricket because we must clean our own house. But one thing they can do (and they did threat to do) is to oust incompetent administrators of the Pakistan cricket. Once the competent administrators are here we at least can hope to minimize the effect to corruption to maximum extent.

TOP POST.....has to be POTW

[Newton_fan]

No - But ICC should take over management and decisions of all Pak cricket matters

32/75 votes

[OZGOD]

I don't think you need to be banned. But you definitely need some more governance of your cricket. The PCB can't govern its way out of a wet paper bag. If the PCB is unwilling to be governed then perhaps a ban is the only way, unfortunately. There is no improvement without sacrifice, and sacrifice involves pain.

[KingKhanWC]

I find this a disgusting and laughable poll. If you have voted yes or even thought about Pakistan team being banned then you should spend your time doing something else.

[161]

No balls and Zoni are the tip of the iceburg.

This team has been fixing since Inzi and most of the senior players are probably involved in some way, shape or form.

After the WC we will need wholesale changes in both players and management.

[Krishnan]

Originally Posted by mhraja I think saying that people’s emotions and passion for the game are the core reason for the game’s corruption is unjust with fans. If this is the case then I think only solution is that we fans should back off from our passion for the game and stop watching matches. I think the corruption is because of our system’s incompetency to cope with illegal betting and not fans passion for the game.

But that is not happening in reality.Everyone felt after the azhar,cronje incident,thats it,they have learnt their lessons,its going to be pretty clean now.But it hasn't.They realized that how much ever times they repeat the mistakes we will always forgive them and come back to support them.

So when they decide not to care about anything,its time we took some steps and stop giving importance to the game as u say to an extent,till everything becomes proper.Its not backing away from all matches,but let us not consider it as a huge thing and waste our time debating about it whether any match is won or lost.Enjoy the games,have fun,no making them big heroes,just consider them as ordinary people.

[jeetu]

ban instead.
my vote "No - But ICC should take over management and decisions of all Pak cricket matters"
ICC even in worst >> PCB under Ijaz Butt

[Markhor]

No,why ban the entire team ?

This Zoni controversy was an individual case,things were on the up prior to this saga.PCB only seem to listen,infact Pakistan as a society only listen when the danda is there.Either from the ICC or the US.

The PCB were doing just fine under the ICC's wing.

[Pakprideuk]

How can you expect us to be taken over by indians, what stupidness is this, i don't get it, you want the cricket board to be handed to another country, whatever happens, our way of selecting people and playing people is far better than any other country imo, other than the sirfashi calls, we select in a different way to others.

Look at England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, how many 18,19,20,21 year olds do they select, look at us, we're different we play with flare, we have our own system and it works for us, what we need is this whole Zardari system to finish, i'm sure once its finished, once we have a strong chairman i.e. Ehsan Mani things will be fine.

[Newton_fan]

44.86% says ICC should take over PCB

[Stewie]

I think we do need a break.

I would say 1-2 years. ICC should give Pakistan clear and well defined guidelines to put democratically elected officials in the PCB, dissolve the current structure, ensure they get minimal to no political influence from the top (read President of Pakistan) and have a transparent way of doing business.

ICC should not allow Pakistan back into international cricket unless and untill these guidelines are followed.

[eViLrAcEr]

as regrettably as ever, I am with the 29 others who said yes.
Pak cricket needs a break. A complete stop to regrow a brand new crop of players. This bunch isn't doing any good and any new players are just indicted into this sad state of affairs only to be corrupted.

We need to remove everyone and start anew, no matter how taxing this may be.

[amirfanforlife]

Pak cricket needs to be cleaned out.. I'm sure there are others in the team atm that are involved in match fixing in one way or the other.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by eViLrAcEr as regrettably as ever, I am with the 29 others who said yes. Pak cricket needs a break. A complete stop to regrow a brand new crop of players. This bunch isn't doing any good and any new players are just indicted into this sad state of affairs only to be corrupted. We need to remove everyone and start anew, no matter how taxing this may be.

I would not necessarily say grow a new crop altogether.. its the system and the PCB thats corrupt.. dissolve the previous heirarchy and start from scratch.. pick the players on merit and if some of the current ones make it, great.. but we should not dump them all like that.

[eViLrAcEr]

Originally Posted by Stewie I would not necessarily say grow a new crop altogether.. its the system and the PCB thats corrupt.. dissolve the previous heirarchy and start from scratch.. pick the players on merit and if some of the current ones make it, great.. but we should not dump them all like that.

As they say: "ek machli poorey talaab ko gunda kardeti hai"

So if a whole lake is dirty and you have control over its water, what do you do to clean it? Put a filtering plant right?

Now what if that filtering plant can't handle it? Then you switch to another lake or drain this one, clean it and fill it again with water? That's exactly what needs to be done now.

[sanakazmi]

Can you add another option:
4: No, overhaul the PCB (retiring people and re-hiring them on contract, all while continuing with Butt does not count as an overhaul).

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat I would too if I was in their shoes. It's a nice insurance cushion knowing that no matter what trouble is round the corner for your own team, there is always those crackpots from Pakistan to deflect the worst of it.

[Maula Jutt]

It is not practical to ban Pakistan cricket. But I do feel that the way PCB is operating nowadays, under ICC's stick, is the way things will start improving and we'll eventually have something resembling a cricket board.

[FreePalestine]

I have said this before: If Mods would like to see this, they could use this forum to organize peaceful protests in major Pak cities. There are bad men in charge of Pak cricket, and we all want them out, so we should speak out!

[SuperSportsCom]

One option is missing:
4) No.

We don't need no stinking third party to tell us how to run the board.

An overhaul is needed starting with President not being the patron in chief of the PCB.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by SuperSportsCom One option is missing: 4) No. We don't need no stinking third party to tell us how to run the board. An overhaul is needed starting with President not being the patron in chief of the PCB.

`Personally for me its gotten to a point where I think a third party cant possibly be as evil and incompetent as our own people running PCB so ill welcome them with open arms.

Pakistan government should think about outsourcing the running of cricket in Pakistan to a foreign sports management organization.

this would be hte best thing to have ever happened to Pakistan Cricket.

[hasanb]

Outsourcing EVERYTHING to the ICC is the only way we can get rid of both Butt sahab and the Patron in Chief.

Just imagine how amazing that would be.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by insaftak 1 year ban. As much as it will hurt me with Pakistan not playing any cricket but this would help us a lot in fixing so many of our cricket problems I.e incompetence, match fixing, player power and parchiism.

IT wont change anything insaf. You cant ban a sport to make corrections.

The ICC needs to take even more control of PCB, and root out people, both players and officials, who are involved in corruption.

I dont trust the ICC, but until now, they have used the stick very well. In fact, the ICC should go as far as to audit the players' as well as the officials', and PCB's accounts

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by hasanb Outsourcing EVERYTHING to the ICC is the only way we can get rid of both Butt sahab and the Patron in Chief. Just imagine how amazing that would be.

Get zardari. That should fix a lot of the mess in this country

[brombleybybow]

Hi all

Yes, I would like Pak cricket to take a break for a while. This is so that the PCB may regroup, re-organise, and then re-launch itself as a better brand of Pak cricket.

I had posted my grievance earlier in a separate thread and got bombarded by some hardcore patriotic fans. I am a Pakistani, and share a heritage with fellow PPers.

But what is happening right now in Pak cricket is corrupt even beyond our normal standards. Its not just a matter of a few individuals now. With the President 'praising' Butt, there appears to be inplace a corrupt system of the highest order. And this needs to be opposed.

Cricket should have been an industry in Pak, as it is in India. Manufacturing equipment, sponsoring matches, advertisements, academies, age based leagues, players being groomed & tailored for international work (clubs). Like India has bollywood, Pak could have had cricket-wood.

A rest would ensure that those above use 0.01% of their brains, enough for people to take the lead, but if only the right people are opted for.

And look at it this way, by the time we're ready, the situation in Pak would have improved and international teams can return.

Peace to all, don't mean to offend or hurt you, but this is the sorry truth

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by brombleybybow Peace to all, don't mean to offend or hurt you, but this is the sorry truth

No its not the simple truth, its a naive emotional and ill thought out view.

A ban will do nothing except irrepairably damage the development of cricket in Pakistan and mark my words after the ban there will be NO change, the same cancer will still be in charge and there will be no societal or cultural change at all...so what will your little ban achieve? nothing except for terminal harm to our cricket.

Instead we need the ICC to take over ALL facets of our cricket in this way they can just kick any incompetent influences out in one go and at the same time the so called "patron in chief" will no longer have any part to play.

[Looney]

YES

I would have voted for the 2nd option but i rate Haroon Langoor the same as Jihaz Butt

[Newton_fan]

[iZeeshan]

If ICC took over ALL Pakistan matters, doesn't that mean they'd be selecting our squads too? Or would they hire some Pakistani selector to do that?