Who agrees with me... Zulqarnain should either "Put up or Shut Up"

[CricketCrazee]

He felt such urgency, that he ran away in the middle of a crucial series...

So far he has said a stranger approached him and threatened him. He does not know of any other person involved.

Is that it??? - I tried and tried and not heard anything more.

Please could he just state the facts, or just shut up.

Who agrees with me?

[blinding light]

Shut up.

[CricketCrazee]

I think in UK, if the police were involved, there is an offence called "wasting police time" - if he did get the police involved he would be guilty

[Eagle Eyes]

He is doing nothing wrong. All he is doing is exposing the cancer that has been spreading for far too long. ICC needs to stop the cancer by cooperating and understanding the situation with the players than handing out the bans, and take measures to stop this menace and to keep the competition and good players available for entrainment.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Eagle Eyes He is doing nothing wrong. All he is doing is exposing the cancer that has been spreading for far too long. ICC needs to stop the cancer by cooperating and understanding the situation with the players than handing out the bans, and take measures to stop this menace and to keep the competition and good players available for entrainment.

woh kaisay?

all i've heard is what you can see in my signature plus a reference to Benazir's death lol.

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

I think he should shut up cos he have said nothing factful so far .... he should sit down & write his story ... so he don't keep changing his version

[Master Blaster]

I argee with you.

My guess he will reveal things after hes convinced he and his family are safe.

Jail him if he ran away only because a stranger approached and threatened him and there is nothing else he got to reveal.

[Maula Jutt]

As time passes and he realizes no one's buying his story, he is going to start making some vague additions to it. Things like, "Some others in the team are involved," "You should keep an eye on their hotel rooms," "Tap all players' phones," "Check all players' accounts", "Corruption needs to be routed," "Pakistan deserves clean cricket," "Pakistan first," "Cricket needs to be cleaned throughout the world," etc, and some past incidents in domestic cricket where he feels he was wronged.

There will be no names and there will be no proofs.

He will end up with no future in cricket, but if he is very, very lucky, he will have a relatively nice life and income as a conspiracy theorist like Sarfraz, Latif and Basit on various tv shows for a long time to come.

[t_kaay]

Having just read what he said in his press conference, I was thinking exactly the same, "put up or shut up".

This part confused me:

Haider said "a lot of people are involved" in match-fixing and that he would co-operate fully with the ICC's Anti-Corruption and Security Unit as he wants cricket to be "clear of fixing", but did not accuse any of the players in the Pakistan team, saying he didn't want to blame or be negative towards anyone. The ACSU has already communicated with Haider over his claims.

Not naming anyone isn't the same as fully co-operating.

Also, he goes out to dinner, a random guy comes up and says "fix a game" and this is the basis of running off? Hell, it could have been a heckler fan just passing, taking the mickey. Surely Haider has enough bottle to challenge someone in a public place in Dubai who has just threatened him, even by saying, "who the hell are you?" and making a stand....

[CricketCrazee]

Ii totally agree with the comments so far

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada he should be jailed for wasting our time.

I'm sure his family's safety is more important to him than your oh-so-important 'time'

Keep it up Zoni, I'm still behind you...

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by LegCutter I'm sure his family's safety is more important to him than your oh-so-important 'time' Keep it up Zoni, I'm still behind you...

So the poor guy is the only one who ever had faced death threat in his life....


Rest of them international players are garlanded with roses and flowers.


Oh wait, rest of them should leave the team too whenever they want right ?

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim So the poor guy is the only one who ever had faced death threat in his life.... Rest of them international players are garlanded with roses and flowers. Oh wait, rest of them should leave the team too whenever they want right ?

For all we know the rest of the team fixes matches. We know of three who did.

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by LegCutter For all we know the rest of the team fixes matches. We know of three who did.

+1

All of them are fixers.

Only Zulqi is innocent.

We fix matches and lose and we fix matches and win. Wow. We must be good !!!

[CricketCrazee]

he already signed with the icc that he has never been approached, and agreed the icc may ban him for life if the declaration was false.

accordingly, icc know what they should do.

[pakcricketfan]

Seriously,
If he knows a lot and doesn't think it is the right time to reveal it, then he should keep his mouth tightly SHUT, instead of holding useless news conferences and talking to Geo/Ary/Dunya etc etc and coming up with the same old thing "watan maa hoti hai, seniors baap hotay hain".

Either speak up and tell EVERYTHING or just don't say ANYTHING at all. Khud bhi beech mein latka hua hai, baqi sab ko bhi latka raha hai!

[ShehryarK]

^^ Knows a lot? LOL! He doesn't know jack. Is making it up as he goes along, with comical results.

Khud bhi beech mein latka hua hai, baqi sab ko bhi latka raha hai!

Yaar aap ko kis ne kaha hai latakne ko? Its a drama, with Zoni as the comical villain who goes around making laughable mistakes, bass. Haqeeqat se is ka limited taluq hai.

[161]

He'll put up .. in time .. until then the rest of you please shut up

[MRSN]

he should shut up...A greedy , selfish and pakistan ka naam badnaam karne wale ka Anjaam bura hona chahiye

[CricketCrazee]

so we will just be patient.... for what.

He had his press confernce, he never said he is holding back anything?.. he never said more to come.... and never implicated any pakistan player

he had nothing to say! meanwhile while asylum seeker haider wants to take his time, he destroyed the atmosphere of this series.

when pakistan cricket has totally sunk from innuendo.... he might just might speak..

who will care then..... he is a total waste of time.

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by ShehryarK ^^ Knows a lot? LOL! He doesn't know jack. Is making it up as he goes along, with comical results. Yaar aap ko kis ne kaha hai latakne ko? Its a drama, with Zoni as the comical villain who goes around making laughable mistakes, bass. Haqeeqat se is ka limited taluq hai.

Kuch toh pata hoga usay...Thora sa he sahi..
Aur woh itnaaaaa paagal toh nahi ho sakta k apna career/future..har cheez ko khud he tabaah kar de.. Abhi toh us k paas puri test series thi..Kuch toh hua hoga jo woh aisay team chor k bhaag gaya.. At least I hope so!

I have a feeling..he does know something.. Plus, Lahore Eagles wali baat toh uski theek lag rahi hai..

[sal2010]

what a suprise we all want clean cricket yet when anyone dares expose we call them chor/darkpook and many names under the sun.

maybe its high time us pakistan fans realised that Pakistan cricket is corrupt from top to bottom and needs to be cleaned up!

yes he shouldnt have run away at the end of the of the ODI series (by many acocunts many on this forum did not rate his keeping abilities so no loss really for the team for the test matches)

but put yourself in your shoes 24 yrs old and threatend and with a wife n kids at home plus other family you would run for safety as pak is the last place you go as there if somone doesnt like the look you gave them could kill you so with threats on your life last place you would go too!

Everyone is caught up in "bringing shame on the country" Pakistan is country run by crooks who have spent many yrs behind bars if that isn't an embrassment then what is start thinking straight people.

[t_kaay]

Originally Posted by sal2010 what a suprise we all want clean cricket yet when anyone dares expose we call them chor/darkpook and many names under the sun. maybe its high time us pakistan fans realised that Pakistan cricket is corrupt from top to bottom and needs to be cleaned up! yes he shouldnt have run away at the end of the of the ODI series (by many acocunts many on this forum did not rate his keeping abilities so no loss really for the team for the test matches) but put yourself in your shoes 24 yrs old and threatend and with a wife n kids at home plus other family you would run for safety as pak is the last place you go as there if somone doesnt like the look you gave them could kill you so with threats on your life last place you would go too! Everyone is caught up in "bringing shame on the country" Pakistan is country run by crooks who have spent many yrs behind bars if that isn't an embrassment then what is start thinking straight people.

We all want clean cricket but Zoni has taken the broom out of the cupboard and is now refusing to use it to sweep up. The point people are fed up with is that now he has taken the step to stand up, he should divulge any information. By saying he knows but he aint telling doesn't help much.

[CricketCrazee]

i believe he has not exposed anything...

we all want clean cricket, but by saying nothing.... means there is no stand he is taking

so he has turned out to be a waste of time

[sal2010]

Originally Posted by t_kaay We all want clean cricket but Zoni has taken the broom out of the cupboard and is now refusing to use it to sweep up. The point people are fed up with is that now he has taken the step to stand up, he should divulge any information. By saying he knows but he aint telling doesn't help much.

with an axe hanging over his family he won't say anything!

he can't be making it all up as what is the point of that any rational reason?

[CricketCrazee]

what is the reason any asylum seeker comes to uk...... certainly nothing to do with cricket at least.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by sal2010 with an axe hanging over his family he won't say anything! he can't be making it all up as what is the point of that any rational reason?

That is BS. He's always said plenty, that would 'anger' the culprits behind the threats. He's revealed they exist etc etc.

Its at that point now where he should just tell the truth.

He's just milking it, and waiting for a good offer from a newspaper.

[LegCutter]

Zulqarnain should have just taken the money and lost the match. Atleast he wouldnt be regarded as a 'traitor to Pakistan' then.

[The_Real_Deal]

I think the OP an the other posters on this thread who are dismissing Zoni as a nut-case should shut up themselves.

His wife and kids were threatened, a sane man would go mental defending his family, yet this man does a crazy thing which is natural if your family is threatened and no one backs him?!

I wonder what you would do if your family was threatened, especially your kids?

110% behind Zoni.

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by t_kaay We all want clean cricket but Zoni has taken the broom out of the cupboard and is now refusing to use it to sweep up. The point people are fed up with is that now he has taken the step to stand up, he should divulge any information. By saying he knows but he aint telling doesn't help much.

This!

I'm still willing to give him the benefit of doubt.. But what I want him to do is to either speak up and tell EVERYTHING NOW or just don't say anything at all atm.
If he thinks it is not safe for him to expose anyone right now, then he should remain silent, instead of talking to every news channel and coming up with the same 4 sentences that we've been listening to since the day he fled. It is just weakening his case and he is losing support.

[DOOSRA95]

Fact pakistan cricket is terminally corrupt to the core, no denying no hiding.it will continue until the cricket authorities do some thing.

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal I think the OP an the other posters on this thread who are dismissing Zoni as a nut-case should shut up themselves. His wife and kids were threatened, a sane man would go mental defending his family, yet this man does a crazy thing which is natural if your family is threatened and no one backs him?! I wonder what you would do if your family was threatened, especially your kids? 110% behind Zoni.

I get your point. But the way he is going about things is not good at all!
He should have informed the ICC/ACSU before fleeing away..Chalo, yeh nahi kiya.. even then, whatever he is doing right now in London is just plain stupid. Why are you holding press conferences and coming up with just nothing? If you didn't want to reveal anything, then why did you talk to the media in the first place?!
He said he is asked not to talk to the media, yet his favorite pastime in the last couple of days seems to be talking to every ABC XYZ news channel!
And then he comes up with a gem today.. about that letter with 45000, 35000 and names of 5 girls written on it! Everyday he is coming up with a different story, making U-turns!

[Saj]

I'm afraid there are too many contradictions in what Zoni has been saying.

He came across as a nice guy over the course of the England tour, very friendly and enjoyed the attention of the media.

I'm puzzled by his stance and what he has done, as well as the revelations. Also some of the statements seem to be changing by the day?

I was approached as I left the team hotel, has become I was threatened over the phone.

Reasons why he didnt contact the team management also seem to be changing.

He didnt want to put his family in danger, yet spoke openly to GEO about this.

Why didnt he go to the ACSU?

I get the impression that Zoni is being led a merry dance by GEO, and this will all end in tears for him.

[CricketCrazee]

well said Saj

[Salman]

This whole episode is a joke, there is definitely more going on behind the scenes.

Everyone has a price, just a personal conspiracy theory but i think Zoni has accepted money in past to under perform like possibly many of his fellow cricketers over time, however he did not under perform as requested in the 4th ODI and now whoever gave him the money was rightly pissed off.

so what does Zoni do, he takes the money and runs to the UK using a genuine/fake threat story, it doesn't really matter as he plans not to stick around anyway.

how else would a Pakistani cricketer in his junior position be able to afford last minute flight to the UK, plus enough money to be able to pay for a month long stay in a decent UK hotel?

The press conference just show that he himself is in deep water and will not disclose vital information because he himself will be caught with his pants down if he exposed the full story.

That's what i make of the situation anyway!

If he was totally innocent he would state facts and names within 48 hours of his arrival, too late now!

[161]

Originally Posted by Salman This whole episode is a joke, there is definitely more going on behind the scenes. Everyone has a price, just a personal conspiracy theory but i think Zoni has accepted money in past to under perform like possibly many of his fellow cricketers over time, however he did not under perform as requested in the 4th ODI and now whoever gave him the money was rightly pissed off.

Interesting theory .. but if he wanted to get on the bookies good side again he could have just underperformed in the 5th ODI and in the test matches.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Zulqarnain should shut the hell up and should stop making prank calls to future keepers

[kkmix]

Zoni should have fixed the match and saved this criticism that he is getting from fellow pakistanis. and no i dont agree to the OP.

[Salman]

Originally Posted by kashif77 Interesting theory .. but if he wanted to get on the bookies good side again he could have just underperformed in the 5th ODI and in the test matches.

He is young and probably acted too fast in taking the money and making a run for the border!

In a way he probably is trying to get back on the bookies good side again by not actually naming any names in the end.

either way, grab the money and run would be first natural instinct for most people in his predicament. It will be interesting to see what happens when he runs out of money!

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by Salman This whole episode is a joke, there is definitely more going on behind the scenes. Everyone has a price, just a personal conspiracy theory but i think Zoni has accepted money in past to under perform like possibly many of his fellow cricketers over time, however he did not under perform as requested in the 4th ODI and now whoever gave him the money was rightly pissed off. so what does Zoni do, he takes the money and runs to the UK using a genuine/fake threat story, it doesn't really matter as he plans not to stick around anyway. how else would a Pakistani cricketer in his junior position be able to afford last minute flight to the UK, plus enough money to be able to pay for a month long stay in a decent UK hotel? The press conference just show that he himself is in deep water and will not disclose vital information because he himself will be caught with his pants down if he exposed the full story. That's what i make of the situation anyway! If he was totally innocent he would state facts and names within 48 hours of his arrival, too late now!

I think your theory is very plausible...

Just to add to that... he has been coming to UK to play league cricket prior to 2010 and has network of friends/family in UK. He is not naive as some have tried to portray him.

[NJamal]

Zoni should shut up, he is overreacting and damaging the image of Pakistan.

[sal2010]

Originally Posted by njamal574 Zoni should shut up, he is overreacting and damaging the image of Pakistan.

What image of pakistan cricket as our american friends would say wake up and smell the coffee!

forgot the whole issue in the summer/the fact no one tours there/shooting a visiting cricket team the list goes pakistan cricket's image cannot be tarnished any further!

lets not forgot the nation as a whole has an image problem reluctence of countries to donate money due to CORRUPTION after the flood so pretty plausable that the PCB is knee deep in the stuff!

[Sherazkhalid]

well if he have something then he should bring it up or else should just shut up.

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by Saj I'm afraid there are too many contradictions in what Zoni has been saying. He came across as a nice guy over the course of the England tour, very friendly and enjoyed the attention of the media. I'm puzzled by his stance and what he has done, as well as the revelations. Also some of the statements seem to be changing by the day? I was approached as I left the team hotel, has become I was threatened over the phone. Reasons why he didnt contact the team management also seem to be changing. He didnt want to put his family in danger, yet spoke openly to GEO about this. Why didnt he go to the ACSU? I get the impression that Zoni is being led a merry dance by GEO, and this will all end in tears for him.

100 percent agree.

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by Salman This whole episode is a joke, there is definitely more going on behind the scenes. Everyone has a price, just a personal conspiracy theory but i think Zoni has accepted money in past to under perform like possibly many of his fellow cricketers over time, however he did not under perform as requested in the 4th ODI and now whoever gave him the money was rightly pissed off. so what does Zoni do, he takes the money and runs to the UK using a genuine/fake threat story, it doesn't really matter as he plans not to stick around anyway. how else would a Pakistani cricketer in his junior position be able to afford last minute flight to the UK, plus enough money to be able to pay for a month long stay in a decent UK hotel? The press conference just show that he himself is in deep water and will not disclose vital information because he himself will be caught with his pants down if he exposed the full story. That's what i make of the situation anyway! If he was totally innocent he would state facts and names within 48 hours of his arrival, too late now!

Salman bhai, you know what. When Zoni first disappeared, that is EXACTLY what my mother said. Hailing from a political/industrial household, she really knows what goes inside and out, and she said that one would be shocked at the similarities of this case and one against any politician at the time of "horse-trading". These people would just accept money and disappear at the day of voting, then turn up the next day saying they couldin't vote because "I was kidnapped!" or "They dropped me there.." or "They tried to put me under house arrest" etc etc etc.

I just shrugged off saying "Meh, that was 20 years ago :/" but it really, really is plausible too!

[iRfaN_LA]

Originally Posted by blinding light Salman bhai, you know what. When Zoni first disappeared, that is EXACTLY what my mother said. Hailing from a political/industrial household, she really knows what goes inside and out, and she said that one would be shocked at the similarities of this case and one against any politician at the time of "horse-trading". These people would just accept money and disappear at the day of voting, then turn up the next day saying they couldin't vote because "I was kidnapped!" or "They dropped me there.." or "They tried to put me under house arrest" etc etc etc. I just shrugged off saying "Meh, that was 20 years ago :/" but it really, really is plausible too!

spot on ! This is one big drama. I knew it the moment I heard Zoni's brother on "Islamabad Tonight". After speaking to the host for 2 min, he said "His daughter wants to talk" WHY in the world would u bring a 2 yr old kid into a serious matter such as this?? Well there is only one answer, the kids have been used to gain sympathy of our emotional qaum. My conclusion is that Zoni has defamed Pakistan and Pakistan cricket unless he comes up with something substantial.

I was reading on JANG that he has already been offered to play for Lancashire. So there it goes.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by t_kaay Having just read what he said in his press conference, I was thinking exactly the same, "put up or shut up". This part confused me: Haider said "a lot of people are involved" in match-fixing and that he would co-operate fully with the ICC's Anti-Corruption and Security Unit as he wants cricket to be "clear of fixing", but did not accuse any of the players in the Pakistan team, saying he didn't want to blame or be negative towards anyone. The ACSU has already communicated with Haider over his claims. Not naming anyone isn't the same as fully co-operating. Also, he goes out to dinner, a random guy comes up and says "fix a game" and this is the basis of running off? Hell, it could have been a heckler fan just passing, taking the mickey. Surely Haider has enough bottle to challenge someone in a public place in Dubai who has just threatened him, even by saying, "who the hell are you?" and making a stand....

This is the thing though.

As a cricketer you shouldn't have to even put up with threats if you don't match fix. It's ridiculous. Whether these bookies would have carried their threat out or not, it's perfectly understandable he wouldn't want to take this risk. Especially if he has young children.

[Saj]

The other thing to note is that it took him 4 days since the threat was made to actually leave the UAE for England.

I mean why wait 4 days if the matter is so serious.

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by Saj The other thing to note is that it took him 4 days since the threat was made to actually leave the UAE for England. I mean why wait 4 days if the matter is so serious.

All the circumstantial evidence is massively stacked up against him.....

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

let see what more cooks up