Zoni, and Threats to his Family (Wife and Kids)

[Javelin]

Zoni has said that not only was he threatened but threats were also made against his family, meaning his wife and his two kids.

Unless you have, or had, very young kids, you will never understand how it feels to have threats made against their lives, how it wrenches your guts, especially if you think that those threats were real and capable of being carried out.

It can make you react in a totally unpredictable way, some may even say stupid way, to try and safeguard them, not just immediately but long term.

So please don't judge Zoni and his actions, unless you have very young kids who's lives have been threatened by some nasty nasty goons.

[Prince_Pathan]

he seems like a good guy so surely cant be fabricating everything

it speaks volumes about somebody who sets up their own charity and donates their funds to imran khans cancer hospital...

people on this forum need to support the guy...

dont have kids but i understand this thread...

with zoni 100 percent

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

do we need another post on him ? please merge ...

[amirfanforlife]

Agree with the OP 100%. Don’t have kids and don’t plan on having any for the next 7 years but I know how I would feel if I did have kids and got threatened.

[Prince_Pathan]

there is no need to merge this

its not going to be seen then...

this is a good thread and hopefully those people criticizing him can get some sense...

[cricketpassion]

Originally Posted by Javelin Zoni has said that not only was he threatened but threats were also made against his family, meaning his wife and his two kids.Unless you have, or had, very young kids, you will never understand how it feels to have threats made against their lives, how it wrenches your guts, especially if you think that those threats were real and capable of being carried out. It can make you react in a totally unpredictable way, some may even say stupid way, to try and safeguard them, not just immediately but long term. So please don't judge Zoni and his actions, unless you have very young kids who's lives have been threatened by some nasty nasty goons.

The thing is He didnt really say that on the first day when he was disappeard and then found on heathrow .Even his family didnt mention about any threat to them .Only thing they said they cant get hold of him .I heard their all interview on Geo .So he is just making up all this now

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

I only said cos same matter have been discussed ..... in other post too .... though the subject isn't the same ... anyways .... carry on

[NJamal]

If he was so worried about the threats to his family then why he ran away more far from them. Sorry but I dont agree with the OP with this threat drama. Btw I had one small kid and I know if somebody threatens him I will chop that person into pieces.

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

Originally Posted by njamal574 If he was so worried about the threats to his family then why he ran away more far from them. Sorry but I dont agree with the OP with this threat drama. Btw I had one small kid and I know if somebody threatens him I will chop that person into pieces.

Thank God you didn't say you will run away to london without even informing your kid & ur family that they are under a threat

[Prince_Pathan]

Originally Posted by njamal574 If he was so worried about the threats to his family then why he ran away more far from them. Sorry but I dont agree with the OP with this threat drama. Btw I had one small kid and I know if somebody threatens him I will chop that person into pieces>/b>.

dare kha alakah..tha pukhtana ghussa bahar raghay hehe

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

I say it again I support him , but he need to come up with one story .. thats it .. no more changes into it .. so far ... he hasn't been able to decide that when he was approched by bookies .... so get him to one story ... we all r behind him ...

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by njamal574 If he was so worried about the threats to his family then why he ran away more far from them. Sorry but I dont agree with the OP with this threat drama. Btw I had one small kid and I know if somebody threatens him I will chop that person into pieces.

Since you have a kid, would you please tell me if you and your family were given a life threat, would you ensure your child's safety first or get on a plane to your own safety first and then remind yourself you have a family?

Because this is what Haider had to say in his interview with The Sun.

"When I finally got on the plane I felt a little relieved, but then I thought of my family. I am still very concerned about them."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz14t2XnXR6

[Javelin]

Some appear to be only able to digest certain passages from a post and ignore the bits they don't like, such as the following paragraph in the OP.

It can make you react in a totally unpredictable way, some may even say stupid way, to try and safeguard them, not just immediately but long term.

[NJamal]

Originally Posted by Maula Jutt Since you have a kid, would you please tell me if you and your family were given a life threat, would you ensure your child's safety first or get on a plane to your own safety first and then remind yourself you have a family? Because this is what Haider had to say in his interview with The Sun. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz14t2XnXR6

I would first make it sure that the person or persons who threatened my family never walks on the planet earth, then I would go and sleep soundly in my home.

[qamar84]

Originally Posted by Javelin Zoni has said that not only was he threatened but threats were also made against his family, meaning his wife and his two kids. Unless you have, or had, very young kids, you will never understand how it feels to have threats made against their lives, how it wrenches your guts, especially if you think that those threats were real and capable of being carried out. It can make you react in a totally unpredictable way, some may even say stupid way, to try and safeguard them, not just immediately but long term. So please don't judge Zoni and his actions, unless you have very young kids who's lives have been threatened by some nasty nasty goons.

what you talking about bro he run away leaving his family behind he just save his own ass!!!!!!!!!!! i know what you going to answer me that 1st he has take care of him in uk and then he's going bring his family. But for me he has to 1st take care of his family and then think about him. IF someone come and wanna shoot my wife ,my little son or even my brother or my parents ,i will put my body on the middle of the bullet and them!!!!!!

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Javelin Zoni has said that not only was he threatened but threats were also made against his family, meaning his wife and his two kids. Unless you have, or had, very young kids, you will never understand how it feels to have threats made against their lives, how it wrenches your guts, especially if you think that those threats were real and capable of being carried out. It can make you react in a totally unpredictable way, some may even say stupid way, to try and safeguard them, not just immediately but long term. So please don't judge Zoni and his actions, unless you have very young kids who's lives have been threatened by some nasty nasty goons.

Exactly.

People are constantly saying how he overreacted. Well, if one desnt have wife and kids, or if one's wife and kids have not been threatened, then one can not understand what zoni is going through.

Excellent thread Javelin

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by njamal574 I would first make it sure that the person or persons who threatened my family never walks on the planet earth, then I would go and sleep soundly in my home.

And what if that was beyond your capabilities at the time?

It's very easy to say, "I will do this, I will do that, .....", and much more difficult to do it in a way that increases the chances of safety long term, and not just simply postpones the threat being carried out.

Currently his wife and kids are under protection, he is in a place where he can bring pressure to bear upon the authorities, by using the media, British police, the High Commission,...in such a way that the chances are increased of his family joining him in a relatively safe place.

So far, his plan seems to be working, and the threat not being carried out.

[proud_pakistani]

well i still dont understand the thing of going to UK then...if it was really causing him so much stress...he shud have juss gone back to his kids...i think if what he says is true he puts his family under much more risk and in addition to that he stresses himself over that as well since his family is quite far away....

[Vegitto1]

Originally Posted by njamal574 I would first make it sure that the person or persons who threatened my family never walks on the planet earth, then I would go and sleep soundly in my home.

Unless you are a bollywood hero, you are no match for these people. It isn't just one individual you are dealing with, it is a crime organisation.

The reason Haider's family is being threatened is to make Haider toe the line.

However if he is no longer in the team and no longer playing, not much could be done to his family now.

Furthermore, after bringing these threats to the attention of the world, even if a freak accident were to happen resulting in some harm to Haider's family, the world media would have field day.


So to keep their match-fixing world hidden, these people will now make sure nothing happens to Haider's family

[NJamal]

Originally Posted by Javelin And what if that was beyond your capabilities at the time? It's very easy to say, "I will do this, I will do that, .....", and much more difficult to do it in a way that increases the chances of safety long term, and not just simply postpones the threat being carried out. Currently his wife and kids are under protection, he is in a place where he can bring pressure to bear upon the authorities, by using the media, British police, the High Commission,...in such a way that the chances are increased of his family joining him in a relatively safe place. So far, his plan seems to be working, and the threat not being carried out.

Mr. Zoni said that a person threatened him right in his face, so how was that person beyond his capabilities. Mr. Zoni was representing Pakistan as an international player not some common man walking in the street. We know that Mr. Zoni is physically weak but he only needed to alert some persons or security near him to grab that person. Instead what he did ran far away in fear and left his kids, family and team behind.

Now dont tell me that the person threatened Mr. Zoni in the middle of a desert where there was no human being in sight for miles.

[NJamal]

Originally Posted by Vegitto1 Unless you are a bollywood hero, you are no match for these people. It isn't just one individual you are dealing with, it is a crime organisation. The reason Haider's family is being threatened is to make Haider toe the line. However if he is no longer in the team and no longer playing, not much could be done to his family now. Furthermore, after bringing these threats to the attention of the world, even if a freak accident were to happen resulting in some harm to Haider's family, the world media would have field day. So to keep their match-fixing world hidden, these people will now make sure nothing happens to Haider's family

If you dont know me personally how can you judge my capabilities.

[The_Real_Deal]

We do have some heartless and brianless people on this site.

Agree with the OP, you have kids, let them be threatened and see what you do.

Also gesturing *face-palm* is a sign of your weak understanding of the OP.

I support Zoni 110%.

[The Blazer]

Originally Posted by njamal574 If you dont know me personally how can you judge my capabilities.

Lulz @ generic keyboard warrior.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Originally Posted by Javelin Zoni has said that not only was he threatened but threats were also made against his family, meaning his wife and his two kids. Unless you have, or had, very young kids, you will never understand how it feels to have threats made against their lives, how it wrenches your guts, especially if you think that those threats were real and capable of being carried out. It can make you react in a totally unpredictable way, some may even say stupid way, to try and safeguard them, not just immediately but long term. So please don't judge Zoni and his actions, unless you have very young kids who's lives have been threatened by some nasty nasty goons.

Very well put....

[CricketCrazee]

so i can take it, that this thread says that he has told all, and there is nothing more to come.

he never said he is holding back anything....

after that i will make my own opnion on how far he will go to be a asylum seeker.

its not to protect his kids in uk... because they are in pak


I will not support him blindly, unless he comes with any thing that exposes anybody

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal We do have some heartless and brianless people on this site. Agree with the OP, you have kids, let them be threatened and see what you do. Also gesturing *face-palm* is a sign of your weak understanding of the OP. I support Zoni 110%.

I dont know about others but my facepalm was not because of my lack of understanding of the OP. It was because the more I learn and think about this case, the more I am convinced neither Zoni nor his family were ever threatened in the first place.

[Eagle_Eye]

Ok I write this a parent of a 2 year old daughter.....

Sorry Javlin.... but you must take the rose tinted glasses off and look at facts as they are appearing...

His family DID NOT receive threats directly..... If the "bad men" can find him in Dubai, I am sure they can go and find his family house in Lahore!! Besides, his wife and family have given statements to press which indicate they are under no threat and infact they are perplexed as to why Haider is running around shaming his country's image.

Without requoting what MJ has already quoted ..... he never told his family about any threat to their lives until he got on the plane. As a parent, husband, son and brother, I would have been on the fone to my family and as a minimum I would ensure they are aware of the threat and out of harms way until I got back home. He had plenty of time to pause and reflect and make his family aware because it happened before the 4th ODI and he ran away on the day of the 5th ODI.

His story does not make sense and to be honest its a vile plan to mint some money off the back of current predicament of Pakistan cricket.... Very sad individual indeed!!

[MRSN]

Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye Ok I write this a parent of a 2 year old daughter..... Sorry Javlin.... but you must take the rose tinted glasses off and look at facts as they are appearing... His family DID NOT receive threats directly..... If the "bad men" can find him in Dubai, I am sure they can go and find his family house in Lahore!! Besides, his wife and family have given statements to press which indicate they are under no threat and infact they are perplexed as to why Haider is running around shaming his country's image. Without requoting what MJ has already quoted ..... he never told his family about any threat to their lives until he got on the plane. As a parent, husband, son and brother, I would have been on the fone to my family and as a minimum I would ensure they are aware of the threat and out of harms way until I got back home. He had plenty of time to pause and reflect and make his family aware because it happened before the 4th ODI and he ran away on the day of the 5th ODI. His story does not make sense and to be honest its a vile plan to mint some money off the back of current predicament of Pakistan cricket.... Very sad individual indeed!!

good post

[UmarAkmals-fan]

I would first make it sure that the person who threatened my family is not one of the akmal brothers

[Schickelgruber]

Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye Ok I write this a parent of a 2 year old daughter..... Sorry Javlin.... but you must take the rose tinted glasses off and look at facts as they are appearing... His family DID NOT receive threats directly..... If the "bad men" can find him in Dubai, I am sure they can go and find his family house in Lahore!! Besides, his wife and family have given statements to press which indicate they are under no threat and infact they are perplexed as to why Haider is running around shaming his country's image. Without requoting what MJ has already quoted ..... he never told his family about any threat to their lives until he got on the plane. As a parent, husband, son and brother, I would have been on the fone to my family and as a minimum I would ensure they are aware of the threat and out of harms way until I got back home. He had plenty of time to pause and reflect and make his family aware because it happened before the 4th ODI and he ran away on the day of the 5th ODI. His story does not make sense and to be honest its a vile plan to mint some money off the back of current predicament of Pakistan cricket.... Very sad individual indeed!!

POTW please.

[Javelin]

OK Eagle-Eye,
Have you ever been threatened by someone ?
Has your wife and kids ?
Especially by someone who may be part of some criminal gang, with tentacles you don't know where?
(and before you comment, never has mine!)

If not, don't say what Zoni did, or did not receive in terms of threats. Only he knows. And he's not neccesarily going to tell the world everything.

Suffice to say, it made him run away in secret, only 36 hours or so after playing a crucial part in Pakistan's win in the 4th ODI that brought Pakistan back level, and hitting the winning runs, and only a few hours from the 5th and deciding ODI.

As for not telling the PCB, or his team, or going back to Pakistan, perhaps he felt that he did not know who to trust, besides they may be waiting for him, or these are the kind of moves they might expect him to make, so he will do something they would not expect - ie go to England.

Someone who's life, and who's family's life, was under threat will not always think in the same way as someone sitting at a keyboard, in a nice safe place, tapping out criticism as to why did'nt he do this or that.

[CricketCrazee]

we should stick to the facts. he held a press conference yesterday, and never said he does not trust his team mates, he said he didnt want them involved into this affair (suggessting that he was sheilding them from the issue) that is why he did talk to his team mates.

please dont change his words to suit your point

right now he is in a safe place and still has nit said anything ... i am more convinced this is a sham... only he can tell us otherwise.... but so far zilch

[fight_club]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=111308

one should not highlight a thread having made one, still for the sake of behavior analysis

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by Javelin OK Eagle-Eye, Have you ever been threatened by someone ? Has your wife and kids ? Especially by someone who may be part of some criminal gang, with tentacles you don't know where? (and before you comment, never has mine!) If not, don't say what Zoni did, or did not receive in terms of threats. Only he knows. And he's not neccesarily going to tell the world everything. Suffice to say, it made him run away in secret, only 36 hours or so after playing a crucial part in Pakistan's win in the 4th ODI that brought Pakistan back level, and hitting the winning runs, and only a few hours from the 5th and deciding ODI. As for not telling the PCB, or his team, or going back to Pakistan, perhaps he felt that he did not know who to trust, besides they may be waiting for him, or these are the kind of moves they might expect him to make, so he will do something they would not expect - ie go to England. Someone who's life, and who's family's life, was under threat will not always think in the same way as someone sitting at a keyboard, in a nice safe place, tapping out criticism as to why did'nt he do this or that.

Ok which part of my previous post did you NOT understand? .... my contention is that his family was not under threat. My thinking has basis on what Zoni has said himself and from what his family told the media!!.....

You and all other supporting Zoni have no basis than what Zoni is saying now.... " I was threatened and my family was threatened".

But what he is saying and what he did do not tie up.......

[MC]

This may come across as a massive shock to some people, but ICC every now then gives these guys hours long lectures explaining what to do in case of being approached by the bookies. So don't make excuses for him, he had options which he simply ignored. Don't trust me, go read what manager of South Africa has to say about that. Don't even bother getting all girly on his UK asylum application, you may not know but in order to get political asylum in the UK, you have to prove that coming to the UK was the last resort. How can this guy seek refuge in the UK when he clearly ran away without even trying his luck with those who were obliged to help him had he informed about his situation?

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye Ok which part of my previous post did you NOT understand? .... my contention is that his family was not under threat.

And he should have taken a risk with his family's life based on your 'contention' ?

My thinking has basis on what Zoni has said himself and from what his family told the media!!..... You and all other supporting Zoni have no basis than what Zoni is saying now.... " I was threatened and my family was threatened". But what he is saying and what he did do not tie up.......

Do you seriously think that he is going to tell the media everything ?

What if he's now been advised (or decided) to pass a coded message to those that were threatening, along the lines of "OK, I'm not in the team now, so no point in threatening anymore. I'll not say anything more that will uncover others, in return for you laying off. I will tell my family to do the same" or words to that effect ?

My OP was saying stop judging him, unless you too have been in a similar situation, with your family having been actually threatened, instead of acting like Judge, Jury and Executioner!

Do YOU understand now ?

[whatsup001]

Originally Posted by njamal574 I would first make it sure that the person or persons who threatened my family never walks on the planet earth, then I would go and sleep soundly in my home.

Man stop watching too many bollywood movies.....I am sure you haven't faced the real life yet

[Stewie]

I have a 7 month old baby at home. Dont think thats what pushed me towards believing him but it is definitely an empathy factor there.

If you are a normal human being, you will NEVER lie about death threats to your children. If he says there were threats to his family, I BELIEVE HIM ONE HUDNRED PERCENT and hence I am with him, and have been since the story first broke out.

I dont claim to be an expert in such things but you listen to him and you look at his body language during the press conference and I am sure he is genuinely disturbed and feel threatened even though we know he is not letting on all of it at this point. Whether its fear of repercussions or backlash, I dont know. But he definitely does not have any ulterior motive here other than to save his and his family's skins.

[whatsup001]

Originally Posted by Stewie I have a 7 month old baby at home. Dont think thats what pushed me towards believing him but it is definitely an empathy factor there. If you are a normal human being, you will NEVER lie about death threats to your children. If he says there were threats to his family, I BELIEVE HIM ONE HUDNRED PERCENT and hence I am with him, and have been since the story first broke out. I dont claim to be an expert in such things but you listen to him and you look at his body language during the press conference and I am sure he is genuinely disturbed and feel threatened even though we know he is not letting on all of it at this point. Whether its fear of repercussions or backlash, I dont know. But he definitely does not have any ulterior motive here other than to save his and his family's skins.

Bingo.....the thought process of the indivudual changes dramatically when he is single compared to him having wife & kids....I can't even think how I would behave in such a situation

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by Stewie I have a 7 month old baby at home. Dont think thats what pushed me towards believing him but it is definitely an empathy factor there. If you are a normal human being, you will NEVER lie about death threats to your children. If he says there were threats to his family, I BELIEVE HIM ONE HUDNRED PERCENT and hence I am with him, and have been since the story first broke out. I dont claim to be an expert in such things but you listen to him and you look at his body language during the press conference and I am sure he is genuinely disturbed and feel threatened even though we know he is not letting on all of it at this point. Whether its fear of repercussions or backlash, I dont know. But he definitely does not have any ulterior motive here other than to save his and his family's skins.

Exactly!

[NJamal]

Originally Posted by whatsup001 Man stop watching too many bollywood movies.....I am sure you haven't faced the real life yet

I dont like to watch silly bollywood movies and secondly I belong to a place where threating a person or his family's life is considered as good as killing. The rest I will leave for you to judge. What do you think I am

[NJamal]

Originally Posted by whatsup001 Bingo.....the thought process of the indivudual changes dramatically when he is single compared to him having wife & kids....I can't even think how I would behave in such a situation

Whats up Newbie first make sure to read the full thread and then make your intellectual comments.

[KingKhanWC]

But so far we don't even know these threats were genuine. His family are surrounded by police and they are not in London but Pakistan exactly were he should be.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC But so far we don't even know these threats were genuine. His family are surrounded by police and they are not in London but Pakistan exactly were he should be.

If this happened to you, will you wait around to determine if the threat is genuine or not? Will you risk playing the finalODi do your best and risk safety of yourself and your family?
Or will you look at some other way of handling it?

The kid comes off a bit naive and one who has heard theories that this may go all the way up. Had he informed the PCB and just played there was no guaranteeing safety of his family. Remember PCB could not even protect theSRLteam.

Speaking of which, I'm starting to think those were professional hired hitmen working for the mafia. Someone in theLankan team refused to play ball.
This goes deep. No smoke without a fire and there has been a lot of smoke around lately.

[NJamal]

Originally Posted by Stewie If this happened to you, will you wait around to determine if the threat is genuine or not? Will you risk playing the finalODi do your best and risk safety of yourself and your family? Or will you look at some other way of handling it? The kid comes off a bit naive and one who has heard theories that this may go all the way up. Had he informed the PCB and just played there was no guaranteeing safety of his family. Remember PCB could not even protect theSRLteam. Speaking of which, I'm starting to think those were professional hired hitmen working for the mafia. Someone in theLankan team refused to play ball. This goes deep. No smoke without a fire and there has been a lot of smoke around lately.

Now that is what you call going Over the Top.

[Stewie]

I think thigns went over the top a long time ago when the SRL team was attacked and we could not defend them.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Stewie If this happened to you, will you wait around to determine if the threat is genuine or not? Will you risk playing the finalODi do your best and risk safety of yourself and your family? Or will you look at some other way of handling it? The kid comes off a bit naive and one who has heard theories that this may go all the way up. Had he informed the PCB and just played there was no guaranteeing safety of his family. Remember PCB could not even protect theSRLteam. Speaking of which, I'm starting to think those were professional hired hitmen working for the mafia. Someone in theLankan team refused to play ball. This goes deep. No smoke without a fire and there has been a lot of smoke around lately.

If this happened to me, firstly I would make sure the guy who was making threats isn't some tourist from India having a laugh. Haider himself did not answer the question, if knew the threat was genuine. All he had to do is go along with the guy and at the same time inform the ICC and Dubai police. They would have performed a sting operation on the so called gangster bookie. When someone threatens an individuals family the natural instinct of human is to be with their family not go further away. His selling of stories to trash papers like the Sun (for money) also doesn't put him in good light. He is deluded if he thinks Britain will offer him long term residence.

Zoni has let down his team, his family, his fans and his country. He will regret this decision for the rest of his life and will never play International cricket again.

The attack on the Sri Lankan team was not because of bookies or fixing it was to make sure nobody comes to play cricket in Pakistan.

[shehzadd]

Originally Posted by Prince_Pathan there is no need to merge this its not going to be seen then... this is a good thread and hopefully those people criticizing him can get some sense...

He wants his whole the family to settle in the UK. So this is the only reason to add in his pre planned story for resident permit that his family is in danger in pak.

[NJamal]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC If this happened to me, firstly I would make sure the guy who was making threats isn't some tourist from India having a laugh. Haider himself did not answer the question, if knew the threat was genuine. All he had to do is go along with the guy and at the same time inform the ICC and Dubai police. They would have performed a sting operation on the so called gangster bookie. When someone threatens an individuals family the natural instinct of human is to be with their family not go further away. His selling of stories to trash papers like the Sun (for money) also doesn't put him in good light. He is deluded if he thinks Britain will offer him long term residence. Zoni has let down his team, his family, his fans and his country. He will regret this decision for the rest of his life and will never play International cricket again. The attack on the Sri Lankan team was not because of bookies or fixing it was to make sure nobody comes to play cricket in Pakistan.

Exactly and was sponsored by Indian government.

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC If this happened to me, firstly I would make sure the guy who was making threats isn't some tourist from India having a laugh. Haider himself did not answer the question, if knew the threat was genuine. All he had to do is go along with the guy and at the same time inform the ICC and Dubai police. They would have performed a sting operation on the so called gangster bookie. When someone threatens an individuals family the natural instinct of human is to be with their family not go further away. His selling of stories to trash papers like the Sun (for money) also doesn't put him in good light. He is deluded if he thinks Britain will offer him long term residence. Zoni has let down his team, his family, his fans and his country. He will regret this decision for the rest of his life and will never play International cricket again..

Another one of the "If it happened to me, I will do this...and that...." fraternity.

Simply does'nt understand that no-one, absolutely no-one, can predict in advance as to how they will react in a similar situation.

Yes, we can all theorise, or hope, or even plan, but if and when (and hope it never does) something similar happens, it is almost impossible to say what we will do and how we will react, especially if the lives of one's kids may be at stake.

How many of us will take the attitude, and take the risk, that the one threatening, and saying that they can get his family, is bluffing ?

Not many, I would suggest, when push comes to shove. Not even the ones who are acting as if they are a Superman.

[Markhor]

You have to credit the man for leaving his wife and two daughters to face the death threats alone.

What the immigration authorities will want to find out that is there actually a genuine threat to him and his family ? If yes,his asylum application will be accepted,if not then he's been lying.

[ads101]

He was threatened that if he returned to his family and home his wife and kids would be killed (that's what I read in the guardian).

Hence it sort of makes sense he is running away to UK and not to his home. He is trying to protect his family. Which is why he immediately alerted the media so that his family would be protected.

[Dr_Bassim]

Yes, totally agreed ... no one can predict anything how one will react to threats.

Predictions are futile.


But he still took the wrong way out.


And you know, no one can predict what the actual thing was.

Maybe he was scared out of his wits. Maybe you are right OP.

But just maybe, he doesn't have anything and is making it up now on the move.


What makes you trust a person who left the team and nation bewildered instead of throwing down the gauntlet and facing adversity is speaking the truth ?

He could be. He could be lying too. Lets stop making threads on Zulqi now.... Enough is Enough !!!

[Markhor]

Do we know if this guy was genuine in his threats or simply a wind-up in order to intimidate him ?

Again,the best approach would've been to contact the local Dubai police or the ANti-Corruption Unit.Playing this out in front of the media makes him a bigger target.

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by Javelin And what if that was beyond your capabilities at the time? It's very easy to say, "I will do this, I will do that, .....", and much more difficult to do it in a way that increases the chances of safety long term, and not just simply postpones the threat being carried out. Currently his wife and kids are under protection, he is in a place where he can bring pressure to bear upon the authorities, by using the media, British police, the High Commission,...in such a way that the chances are increased of his family joining him in a relatively safe place. So far, his plan seems to be working, and the threat not being carried out.

Totally agree with you. Tough I don't have kids but I can tell what it would feel like. And people arguing they would do this they would do that, let me tell you, first thing they will do is Sh!t their pants, and then do anything. Unfortunately there are lots of kids here who don't understand the importance of family.

And we have to stop Judging him.

[sanakazmi]

Many of us are not sure what he meant by the threats to his family. From everything I've read and heard involving direct sources, he's said HE was threatened about his life and his family.

Direct quote from his press conference:

Scroll to 3:03, to hear Zulqarnain say "(He said) if you go back home, we will kill you and also your family."



From what I understand, he hasn't said his family received threats directly; their were threats to their lives(?) made TO him.

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by Markhor Do we know if this guy was genuine in his threats or simply a wind-up in order to intimidate him ? Again,the best approach would've been to contact the local Dubai police or the ANti-Corruption Unit.Playing this out in front of the media makes him a bigger target.

Sometimes the best protection of all is to be in the media spotlight, and at the same time send a subtle counter message to the ones who threaten, along the lines of :
"The whole world now knows I, and my family, were threatened, but not by whom. I won't tell more if you lay off - I'm out of the team and therefore cannot do your bidding to fix-matches, therefore no point threatening me anymore.
If I, or my family, get hurt, they will 'uncover' information that will name names and blow your operation wide open.
Just make sure me and my family don't even have a real, genuine, accident!"

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by kkmix Totally agree with you. Tough I don't have kids but I can tell what it would feel like. And people arguing they would do this they would do that, let me tell you, first thing they will do is Sh!t their pants, and then do anything. Unfortunately there are lots of kids here who don't understand the importance of family. And we have to stop Judging him.

Think you've hit the nail on the head.

[muzher]

Well said Jav.

Even though I don't have wife/children, I can see from Zoni or any family man's point of view - you would take any threat against your family seriously. It might only be an outside chance, or even highly unlikely they will harmed, but you still wouldn't want to take that risk.

[NJamal]

Basically people with kids on this thread are saying that Zoni did wrong by running away to England and not to his family. People who are single and dont know anything about kids or are kids themselves saying that he was right in running away to England and leaving his family in the cold, vulnerable to threats if there were any.

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by njamal574 Basically people with kids on this thread are saying that Zoni did wrong by running away to England and not to his family. People who are single and dont know anything about kids or are kids themselves saying that he was right in running away to England and leaving his family in the cold, vulnerable to threats if there were any.

Not quite correct.
Look at Stewie's posts. He has a child.

I started the thread. I have children.

Just a few examples - there are others.

[amirfanforlife]

Originally Posted by njamal574 Basically people with kids on this thread are saying that Zoni did wrong by running away to England and not to his family. People who are single and dont know anything about kids or are kids themselves saying that he was right in running away to England and leaving his family in the cold, vulnerable to threats if there were any.

Wrong - His family is under protection + he did ask them to join him.
He's also said he came to england because If Benazir Bhutto can be killed then he's just an ordinary cricketer.

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by amirfanforlife Wrong - His family is under protection + he did ask them to join him. He's also said he came to england because If Benazir Bhutto can be killed then he's just an ordinary cricketer.

Dude, agar likhi hogi, then England is not safe either, as you saw in case of MQM Dr Imran Farooq.

I live in Pakistan for last so many years without any fear of assassination.

Neither do i stroll out in the streets thinking this might be the last bit of daylight i see.

Dont believe the media that much.

[Borg]

Originally Posted by cricketpassion the thing is he didnt really say that on the first day when he was disappeard and then found on heathrow .even his family didnt mention about any threat to them .only thing they said they cant get hold of him .i heard their all interview on geo .so he is just making up all this now

+1

[amirfanforlife]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim Dude, agar likhi hogi, then England is not safe either, as you saw in case of MQM Dr Imran Farooq. I live in Pakistan for last so many years without any fear of assassination. Neither do i stroll out in the streets thinking this might be the last bit of daylight i see. Dont believe the media that much.

I’m just saying what Zoni said in the press conf.
And I haven’t been to Pakistan for the past 6 years. My mum went this February and she said it isn’t the place it used to be.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Javelin Another one of the "If it happened to me, I will do this...and that...." fraternity. Simply does'nt understand that no-one, absolutely no-one, can predict in advance as to how they will react in a similar situation. Yes, we can all theorise, or hope, or even plan, but if and when (and hope it never does) something similar happens, it is almost impossible to say what we will do and how we will react, especially if the lives of one's kids may be at stake. How many of us will take the attitude, and take the risk, that the one threatening, and saying that they can get his family, is bluffing ? Not many, I would suggest, when push comes to shove. Not even the ones who are acting as if they are a Superman.

I was asked the question and answered. Not everyone would run off from their families in the same situation. You need to accept this.

[kingusama92]

I don't understand this "extra feeling" one has for their kids. The feeling is usually of equal amounts for any of your family members. I mean what's the difference between the bond with your mother/father and your own kids? Surely, you will love them all the same? This is where the OP has me confused. Plus, the generalization that everyone would go crazy over their kids being threatened - some parents leave their kids when they are young or worse throw them in the dumpster.

Anyway, the problem is not with Zoni's love for his children - I am sure he loves them greatly. The issue is with his extraordinarily shocking decision-making along the way.

During this recent bout of spot-fixing the ICC has increased their lectures on how to handle such issues. Players have to listen to these hour long lectures quite often. I highly doubt the ICC doesn't tell the players what to do if a death threat is received by them.

Plus, I don't see how he was "safeguarding" them by running away to England. I just see that as safeguarding himself to be honest. He could have done the same thing by going to the Dubai police or the ACSU and things would still be the same. Instead, he flees to England and his family tells him to either go back or come to Pakistan. Doesn't seem like the family is shivering in their pants.

[PlanetPakistan]

Javelin is right

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 I don't understand this "extra feeling" one has for their kids. The feeling is usually of equal amounts for any of your family members. I mean what's the difference between the bond with your mother/father and your own kids? Surely, you will love them all the same? This is where the OP has me confused. Plus, the generalization that everyone would go crazy over their kids being threatened - some parents leave their kids when they are young or worse throw them in the dumpster..

You'll only understand when (or if) you ever have kids of your own. No one can explain it to you in a way that you will understand.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Javelin You'll only understand when (or if) you ever have kids of your own. No one can explain it to you in a way that you will understand.

So you are suggesting that one's kids are more important then any other family member?

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC I was asked the question and answered. Not everyone would run off from their families in the same situation. You need to accept this.

In nature it is not unknown for parents to run in the opposite direction of where their children are. It is not abandoning them, but getting the attackers to follow you and away from their children. Humans have also been known to do the same.
Besides, Doni said that he was told he should not go to his family in Pakistan, or they will be in greater danger - or words to that effect.

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 So you are suggesting that one's kids are more important then any other family member?

See post # 69

[eViLrAcEr]

Originally Posted by Javelin In nature it is not unknown for parents to run in the opposite direction of where their children are. It is not abandoning them, but getting the attackers to follow you and away from their children. Humans have also been known to do the same. Besides, Doni said that he was told he should not go to his family in Pakistan, or they will be in greater danger - or words to that effect.

I don't think half the people here have the brains to understand psychology. <_<

I just hope Zoni does some big damage to the current PCB Administration, we need to get rid of these fools.

[786warrior]

he'll be on the next boat out very soon unless he produces some tangible evidence of threats to himself and starts NAMING NAMES - he has my sympathy if this is all true regarding the threats

[eViLrAcEr]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 So you are suggesting that one's kids are more important then any other family member?

actually yes, most parents in south-asia will sacrifice their lives for the survival of their children. It's only the west that's got a completely disintegrated family system nowadays.

I guess it'll be hard to imagine for you but people there live their lives for their children.

[eViLrAcEr]

Originally Posted by 786warrior he'll be on the next boat out very soon unless he produces some tangible evidence of threats to himself and starts NAMING NAMES - he has my sympathy if this is all true regarding the threats

I want him to just point fingers at Ijaz Butt and other higher powers...probably not Zardari if he wants to live.

[Shayan_Sohail]

Originally Posted by Javelin And what if that was beyond your capabilities at the time? It's very easy to say, "I will do this, I will do that, .....", and much more difficult to do it in a way that increases the chances of safety long term, and not just simply postpones the threat being carried out. Currently his wife and kids are under protection, he is in a place where he can bring pressure to bear upon the authorities, by using the media, British police, the High Commission,...in such a way that the chances are increased of his family joining him in a relatively safe place. So far, his plan seems to be working, and the threat not being carried out.

Yea he ran away to England leaving his family and kids by themselves that is showing some care for his kids. His actions are clearly wrong even his own family seems to agree with that.

[786warrior]

Originally Posted by eViLrAcEr I want him to just point fingers at Ijaz Butt and other higher powers...probably not Zardari if he wants to live.

I'm trying to rationalise his situation - if I'm walking home from work and somebody threatens my life/ family, do I get on the next plane out?? I just don't know what to believe - some of us will have received serious threats in the past - I know it's not the same as he's an intl cricketer but I'm trying to make sense

The more I hear about how humane and kind the UK is - and yes it is the most tolerant society in the world full stop - the more I lean to the fact that he just wants to escape to here BUT I'm not sure

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by 786warrior he'll be on the next boat out very soon unless he produces some tangible evidence of threats to himself and starts NAMING NAMES - he has my sympathy if this is all true regarding the threats

That's his big dilemma.
Naming Names will only lessen the danger if, and it's a big if, the whole gangs can be caught, otherwise the danger may actually increase - certainly to his extended family (brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, in-laws...), basically anybody that could be hurt so that no other player in future does the same - i.e send out a message to anybody else involved - you rat on us, we'll make someone, anyone, in your family suffer..The police cannot protect everyone - permanently.

[786warrior]

Originally Posted by Javelin That's his big dilemma. Naming Names will only lessen the danger if, and it's a big if, the whole gangs can be caught, otherwise the danger may actually increase - certainly to his extended family (brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, in-laws...), basically anybody that could be hurt so that no other player in future does the same - i.e send out a message to anybody else involved - you rat on us, we'll make someone, anyone, in your family suffer..The police cannot protect everyone - permanently.

very true, but we need some substance, or at least behind the media he has to be providing some good intel to the authorities