India's bowling attack is better than Pakistan's?

[Ali Raja]

After seeing Pakistan's bowling attack for the last two Tests, I can't help but think that this is probably the worst bowling-attack we have had ever. Without Asif, Amir and to a lesser degree Kaneria we don't have an attack which can blow the opposition apart.

Gul, Wahab, Sami, Tanvir, Rehman and Ajmal. None of them are Test-class, really. Gul, Wahab, Rehman and Ajmal are all limited-overs bowlers. Sami is just crap and Tanvir is too raw.

For the first time I think India's bowling-attack is better than ours. I know their bowling is also crap barring Zaheer, but stiller better than ours.

Zaheer is a better Test-bowler than all Pakistani bowlers except Asif and Amir, that's a fact. He takes wickets with the new and old ball consistently even when playing in India. Sreesanth is a clown, but look at his seam position, it's almost perfect. He swings the ball all day and in more helpful conditions he will be a handful. Ishant is on his way down, but he is still miles ahead of Sami. Spinners are equally crap I must say.

[ads101]

Yep miles better.

Zaheer is better than Gul
Sreeshant and Inshant both better than Tanvir.
Tanvir inconclusive so far, hasn't played enough.
I'd take harbajan, a proven world class spinner over rehman or ajmal, even if he might be on the decline.

Riaz I feel is a test bowler, and I think he'll go out and outperform Inshant and Sree.

Zaheer khan is by far the best of the lot though.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by ads101 Yep miles better. Zaheer is better than Gul Sreeshant and Inshant both better than Tanvir. Tanvir inconclusive so far, hasn't played enough. I'd take harbajan, a proven world class spinner over rehman or ajmal, even if he might be on the decline. Riaz I feel is a test bowler, and I think he'll go out and outperform Inshant and Sree. Zaheer khan is by far the best of the lot though.

I agree with you. But not the part about Wahab. You see, he is a good bowler from what I have seen. But I feel he needs to develop more before we can surely say that he will be a good Test-bowler. He has got pace, but he is lacking control. And more importantly, he has minimal of swing. He just pushes the ball across the right-handers, for him to be successful he needs to learn the inswinger to the righties.

[IT_Khumbee]

India bowling attack is rubbish...Jaheer is as good as Gul...Harbhajan is averaging 40 for last 2 years.....

[Down2Earth]

well if we had better umpires, these bowlers would be compared with the 1980's west indians. shocking umpiring cost us. absolutely pathetic umpiring

[FastBowler]

This is a stupid thread. India is the team who couldn't bowl Chris Martin out!

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by IT_Khumbee India bowling attack is rubbish...Jaheer is as good as Gul...Harbhajan is averaging 40 for last 2 years.....

Zaheer is much better than Gul. If you think Gul is a better bowler than him in Tests you don't know much about cricket.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by FastBowler This is a stupid thread. India is the team who couldn't bowl Chris Martin out!

Don't talk about bowling out tailenders. Did you see what SA's tailenders did today? Remember Siddle?

[duostyle]

Barring Zaheer (and to some extent Wahab and Tanvir) they're all rubbish.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja I agree with you. But not the part about Wahab. You see, he is a good bowler from what I have seen. But I feel he needs to develop more before we can surely say that he will be a good Test-bowler. He has got pace, but he is lacking control. And more importantly, he has minimal of swing. He just pushes the ball across the right-handers, for him to be successful he needs to learn the inswinger to the righties.

from what I've seen of him, he has a good cricketing brain though. He's able to adjust, try out new things etc. We have too many bowlers who can bowl every delivery in the book but lack the brain to become world beaters.

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja Don't talk about bowling out tailenders. Did you see what SA's tailenders did today? Remember Siddle?

so what? there are tailenders and there are tailenders. Martin's the king of tailenders.

[IT_Khumbee]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja Zaheer is much better than Gul. If you think Gul is a better bowler than him in Tests you don't know much about cricket.

Both Gul & Jaheer are one trick pony and depend on reverse swing to get wickets.....Jaheer averages 35+ against most teams ...he is mediocre at international level but world class in India...he is perfect example of " Andhon mein kaana raja"

[khalil1986]

Right now yes But that's because our two best test bowlers aim playing.

[SempreSami]

Zaheer Khan carries the Indian bowling attack like Atlas the world.

[JibranAnsari]

At the moment , yes!. indian attack is better these days andprobably will be for sometime untill we find good opening bowlers ( tanvir isnt bad though) . A good spinner is needed in tests gulis a supporting bowler nt the main striker

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by IT_Khumbee Both Gul & Jaheer are one trick pony and depend on reverse swing to get wickets.....Jaheer averages 35+ against most teams ...he is mediocre at international level but world class in India...he is perfect example of " Andhon mein kaana raja"

Yes, you are partly right. But lately Zaheer have been giving important breakthroughs with the new ball as well. And since he came back he has become a much improved bowler. Gul is only going one way, down.

[sanakazmi]

What exactly do you mean by "the Pakistan bowling attack"? Cuz it's a complex term, you know. Fragile, in a hyper-dynamic sort of way.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by FastBowler so what? there are tailenders and there are tailenders. Martin's the king of tailenders.

What's your point exactly?

[cric]

Originally Posted by FastBowler This is a stupid thread. India is the team who couldn't bowl Chris Martin out!

then the world best bowlers could't bowle out board, and aus number 10 batsman. which cost them the test. and i can give you many more example recently.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by sanakazmi What exactly do you mean by "the Pakistan bowling attack"? Cuz it's a complex term, you know. Fragile, in a hyper-dynamic sort of way.

I mean like the bowling line-up we have right now, without Asif, Amir and Kaneria.

[GOAT]

lol, India get one bowler friendly pitch against the worlds third worst Test batting line up & Pakistan gets a flat track against the worlds second best Test batting line up. These threads are to be expected.

Relax folks, give our team some time to settle in and gel together, and we'll be alright.

[sanakazmi]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja I mean like the bowling line-up we have right now, without Asif, Amir and Kaneria.

Still changes every day. Just look at the new-ball combinations that have been used

Gul-Wahab
Younis-Gul
Tanvir-Gul
Gul-Sami

NZ mai we might see , so I suggest we should hold off on such analysis for a while.

[Sherlock]

Not better but more consistent. Doesn't help when 2 of the best opening bowlers are suspended.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by sanakazmi Still changes every day. Just look at the new-ball combinations that have been used Gul-Wahab Younis-Gul Tanvir-Gul Gul-Sami NZ mai we might see , so I suggest we should hold off on such analysis for a while.

If Rana makes a comeback it will become even worse.

[sanakazmi]

Originally Posted by GOAT lol, India get one bowler friendly pitch against the worlds third worst Test batting line up & Pakistan gets a flat track against the worlds second best Test batting line up. These threads are to be expected. Relax folks, give our team some time to settle in and gel together, and we'll be alright.

haha, seriously.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Not better but more consistent. Doesn't help when 2 of the best opening bowlers are suspended.

If we had a Amir and Asif I would never have created this thread.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by GOAT lol, India get one bowler friendly pitch against the worlds third worst Test batting line up & Pakistan gets a flat track against the worlds second best Test batting line up. These threads are to be expected. Relax folks, give our team some time to settle in and gel together, and we'll be alright.

I am not talking about current matches. Although for your information, this track wasn't that flat. I doubt Sami would have bowled any better anyway.

[Cobra]

no chance. Keep dreaming india

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by GOAT lol, India get one bowler friendly pitch against the worlds third worst Test batting line up & Pakistan gets a flat track against the worlds second best Test batting line up. These threads are to be expected. Relax folks, give our team some time to settle in and gel together, and we'll be alright.

I kno, people are too quick to start threads after just 2 tests...I can fully imagine Indian bowlers bowling to SA batsmen in UAE pitches and the score would be 650/2 with Amla and Smith scoring double hundreds.

[GOAT]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja I am not talking about current matches. Although for your information, this track wasn't that flat. I doubt Sami would have bowled any better anyway.

ffs, this track is STUPENDOUSLY FLAT. Enough with this wrist slitter BS.

There is nothing in this pitch except for a few overs with the new ball, thats how Tanveer managed his quick opening burst (not to take away from his debut), and thats why Steyn got a quick wicket in our innings.

Oh, you're not talking about current matches? The last Test we played before this series was in England where Amir and Asif ran through England on a daily basis. What match then are you talking about?

I don't understand the fickle fans on this forum like you. Always looking for something to cry about, be it Fawad Alam or our reeling-from-controversy bowlers. Stop being a baby.

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja I am not talking about current matches. Although for your information, this track wasn't that flat. I doubt Sami would have bowled any better anyway.

But compare the two batting line ups that NZ has and SA has. Zameen and Aasman

[farazaidi]

will people please stop over-rating Zaheer? yes I know he gets wickets in India. Big deal! His primary weapon is reverse swing and even our current depleted attack Gul-Wahab-Tanvir have mastered that art, and would be successful too even in India if they get 500+ run pressure behind them everytime. As for bowling in less conducive wickets, hmm ... do you know what Zaheer did when he did got the conditions to work with? well, he got tonked in both SA & AUS.

Oh wait, I remember. He is a much improved bowler now. Well then wait n see what he does in SA and then we'll know if he has improved on anything if et all.

As for the topic, I'd say both are pretty even right now!

[161]

As of right now I'd rate both bowling attacks as pretty rubbish.

However we have probably do have plenty of talent at the domestic level where as India does not.

[hasanmehmoodkhan]

if we had aamer and asif there would be no comparison

[James]

tbh only South Africa, Australia and England have even semi-good bowling attacks at the moment.

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Originally Posted by Whippy tbh only South Africa, Australia and England have even semi-good bowling attacks at the moment.

LOL

its funny how aussie english 'greats' these years have avg of 35+ on bouncy swinging pitches...

whereas Pakistani greats of wasim waqar and akhtar have 25 approx averages mainly playing on flat pitches most of their lives

amazing

[James]

hence the term 'semi-good'

there is another thread running for us to lament the decline of bowling in general

[ads101]

Originally Posted by Whippy tbh only South Africa, Australia and England have even semi-good bowling attacks at the moment.

yep. England's fast bowlers seem to be in a good patch of form too.

Sri Lanka's is probably worse than India's even with malinga playing at the moment. Without malinga it's little wonder Gayle tonked them all over the place.

I think England's problem is reluctance to experiment with their bowling attack. Once it's good enough, they're happy to stick with it (until someone really starts failing big time e.g. panesar replaced for swann). They're content to stick with guys with over 30 bowling averages. There's a lot of talent in the domestic cricket and a lot more guys probably should have got a chance to try out for England.

In my opinion I would have tried out someone different to Broad who I don't think is test quality. I'd stick with Anderson just because he's so damn good in England (and seems to be getting better away too).

[Cricketismylife]

I am surprised no one has mentioned lack of decent captaincy affecting Pak Bowlers.

I am sorry but Moyo, Afridi and Misbah arent captaincy material at all. When the ball is swinging they take out slips- thats as basic as it goes, There's million other silly mistakes they do. Back on the point you cant expect your bowlers to perform at their best without a good field- be it attacking or defensive. Managing bowlers is another thing as well- Misbah seems to be following "damage control" ideology a lot. Even on the front foot he is placing fields as if defending an ODI game.

Dhoni and his bowling is BETTER than Misbah and his bowling.

So yes, I agree- Indian Bowling is currently better than Pak.

But I am sure pak will bring another Aamer like super bowler in another few months.

[James]

England under Flower have been conservative for sure. A four-man bowling attack, putting faith in struggling players, not enforcing the follow-on against Australia, etc. But there is a strange tendency amongst fans to deem conservatism in cricket as instantly bad, when in reality, conservatism has got Flower's England very far.

A while ago, I would have agreed with you about Broad, but since the Zoni throwing incident, and Broad's punishment, he has been a changed character and one of our best players. He deserves to start at Brisbane.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by Whippy England under Flower have been conservative for sure. A four-man bowling attack, putting faith in struggling players, not enforcing the follow-on against Australia, etc. But there is a strange tendency amongst fans to deem conservatism in cricket as instantly bad, when in reality, conservatism has got Flower's England very far. A while ago, I would have agreed with you about Broad, but since the Zoni throwing incident, and Broad's punishment, he has been a changed character and one of our best players. He deserves to start at Brisbane.

I don't agree with the fact that conservatism has been good for England. If we look at the players who have got England strong again recently for example. Swann is the obvious one, a replacement for Panesar when things started to go wrong. Trott's inclusion has allowed England to have a solid no.3 (and these two players were the main reason England won the last ashes test).

Your greatest batsman by far in ODIs and T20s probably is Morgan. A new guy. England could have chosen to persist with bell or bopara, but they didn't they gave morgan a try and he performed. The ODI and T20 bowling attacks are now very different, with inclusion of players like Wright, Bresnan, yardy etc. Guys like Anderson don't even play in T20s now.

Prior replaced with Kieswetter in limited overs. Worked brilliantly and perhaps was the difference of them winning the T20 world cup. Even Bell looks like a better having been dropped and then recalled. Seems to have done him wonders.

The fact is England have done a lot of changes recently and they've paid off very quickly. This method of conservatism has failed and in tests it's no different. The one thing they still don't seem to want to experiment with however is their test bowling line up. They're still sticking to their old selection tatics (which weren't particularly paying off mostly in the last 20 years). Until they start doing this, I don't think they'll ever reach no.1 in tests. They'll be climbing the ODI tables very quickly though, I'm sure of that.

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by Whippy England under Flower have been conservative for sure. A four-man bowling attack, putting faith in struggling players, not enforcing the follow-on against Australia, etc. But there is a strange tendency amongst fans to deem conservatism in cricket as instantly bad, when in reality, conservatism has got Flower's England very far. A while ago, I would have agreed with you about Broad, but since the Zoni throwing incident, and Broad's punishment, he has been a changed character and one of our best players. He deserves to start at Brisbane.

conservative as in? I find them more attacking then they were couple of years ago. Particularly in LOIs

And how can England afford a 5-man bowling attack without any decent allrounder who can bat in top 6?

[James]

Swann didn't come in under Flower. the core of the side was created after England were bowled out for 50 in the West Indies - they stuck with the same failures that had been there all along and started managing them properly, and 22 months later they are one of the better teams out there. I like England right now, they have taken things back to basics. 7 batsmen, 4 bowlers, back your guys and keep them together.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by farazaidi conservative as in? I find them more attacking then they were couple of years ago. Particularly in LOIs And how can England afford a 5-man bowling attack without any decent allrounder who can bat in top 6?

they've been known to stick with their bowlers too long even if they're averaging mid 30s. Well in tests anyway. Under 30 for a fast bowler really needs to be the standard especially on England pitches.

They've changed around quite a lot these days. Tests are a different story though, they're more or less the same. Even in 2006, all their bowlers averaged over 30 I believe. I simply can't believe England are incapable of finding a bowler who can average under 30. It's just incredible.

The 5 man bowling attack was just for the ashes I believe. Not really for other teams. I doubt it would have made much of a difference.

[James]

Originally Posted by farazaidi conservative as in? I find them more attacking then they were couple of years ago. Particularly in LOIs And how can England afford a 5-man bowling attack without any decent allrounder who can bat in top 6?

not necessarily more attacking in LOIs, just better. they used to attack a lot but got tanked.

I agree, we should have a four-man attack. I have yet to see a decent argument from any fan, pundit or ex-player as to how and why we can justify playing a fifth bowler.

[PB]

What are you talking about? Wahab and Tanvir just started their damn test careers, obviously their going to be raw, if they don't get any games. If they play enough games, these 2 are miles better then Indian bowlers, Both Wahab and Tanvir have gotten 5fers on debut. Give them more time, and they'll establish themselves in the test arena...

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja After seeing Pakistan's bowling attack for the last two Tests, I can't help but think that this is probably the worst bowling-attack we have had ever. Without Asif, Amir and to a lesser degree Kaneria we don't have an attack which can blow the opposition apart. Gul, Wahab, Sami, Tanvir, Rehman and Ajmal. None of them are Test-class, really. Gul, Wahab, Rehman and Ajmal are all limited-overs bowlers. Sami is just crap and Tanvir is too raw. For the first time I think India's bowling-attack is better than ours. I know their bowling is also crap barring Zaheer, but stiller better than ours. Zaheer is a better Test-bowler than all Pakistani bowlers except Asif and Amir, that's a fact. He takes wickets with the new and old ball consistently even when playing in India. Sreesanth is a clown, but look at his seam position, it's almost perfect. He swings the ball all day and in more helpful conditions he will be a handful. Ishant is on his way down, but he is still miles ahead of Sami. Spinners are equally crap I must say.

I am suprised you didn't create this thread after the second test India vs NZ.

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by goat lol, india get one bowler friendly pitch against the worlds third worst test batting line up & pakistan gets a flat track against the worlds second best test batting line up. These threads are to be expected. Relax folks, give our team some time to settle in and gel together, and we'll be alright.

exactly!!!!

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja What's your point exactly?

that if you can't get out steyn or siddle or whoever it happens, its not good but it happens


but if you cant get chris martin out, you are the worst bowler in the world

[mastermind_quad]

good or not but most of the time they get the job done ...and I am happy with it ...

[wasim-fan]

You must be kidding. Bhaji, Zaheer would not make it to the second or third best of Pak. line up.

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by wasim-fan You must be kidding. Bhaji, Zaheer would not make it to the second or third best of Pak. line up.

Right, how can he replace Sami?

[mrk]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja After seeing Pakistan's bowling attack for the last two Tests, I can't help but think that this is probably the worst bowling-attack we have had ever. Without Asif, Amir and to a lesser degree Kaneria we don't have an attack which can blow the opposition apart. Gul, Wahab, Sami, Tanvir, Rehman and Ajmal. None of them are Test-class, really. Gul, Wahab, Rehman and Ajmal are all limited-overs bowlers. Sami is just crap and Tanvir is too raw. For the first time I think India's bowling-attack is better than ours. I know their bowling is also crap barring Zaheer, but stiller better than ours. Zaheer is a better Test-bowler than all Pakistani bowlers except Asif and Amir, that's a fact. He takes wickets with the new and old ball consistently even when playing in India. Sreesanth is a clown, but look at his seam position, it's almost perfect. He swings the ball all day and in more helpful conditions he will be a handful. Ishant is on his way down, but he is still miles ahead of Sami. Spinners are equally crap I must say.

lol no and never will be

[The_Cricket_Devil]

Originally Posted by wasim-fan You must be kidding. Bhaji, Zaheer would not make it to the second or third best of Pak. line up.

Um, both of those players would walk into our first XI. Bhajji is a better spinner than either Ajmal or Rehman while Zaheer is just quality through and through

That being said, two bowlers don't make a lineup and India do not have a better lineup with jokers like Sreesanth filling their ranks. Yes, without Aamir and Asif our lineup lacks the same level of penetration but we still have better options than India

[philhunter]

Originally Posted by The_Cricket_Devil Um, both of those players would walk into our first XI. Bhajji is a better spinner than either Ajmal or Rehman while Zaheer is just quality through and through That being said, two bowlers don't make a lineup and India do not have a better lineup with jokers like Sreesanth filling their ranks. Yes, without Aamir and Asif our lineup lacks the same level of penetration but we still have better options than India

yes pakistan has better options that is why Morne morkel shared 100 runs partnership and team has struggled to get 10 wickets forget 20 wickets.

Just because in swinging conditions they bowled well it doesnt mean they are good.

[jeetu]

Without Amer and ASif , i'll give Indian bowling slight edge over Pak.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by jeetu Without Amer and ASif , i'll give Indian bowling slight edge over Pak.

more than a slight edge lol.

Zaheer Khan is a great bowler, and harbajan is still good (even though he's not as good as he was). Ojha looks quite promising too, I honestly think he'll turn into a world class spinner.

We really need to go back to domestic and try and find new bowlers. Maybe try junaid khan or/and zulqifar babar/raza hasan (I'd go with the former as raza's perhaps too young).

[Dondulkar]

We have a good bowling line-up actually as long as all the bowlers are match fit

[sully3]

even though i am the first one to mock the speed of indian bowlers.

you have to give it up to zaheer for becoming such a effective bowler in conditions where most fail, prime example steyn against pak. zaheer probably the best bowler to bowl in sub content at the moment. (test cricket)

harbajan was good then got found out like many off spinners do. we always have played him like local club player though

[zahid01]

Originally Posted by Ali Raja If we had a Amir and Asif I would never have created this thread.

Well you are going to be busy next few years then

[1137moiz]

Zaheer is a fine if overrated bowler. Bhajji is crap, Sharma and Sreesanth OK in fits and starts, Ojha is...well, restricting...but mediocre, Mishra has been pretty mediocre.

Zak is India's only bowler who could get into Pakistan's attack...just like YK is perhaps the only batsman who can make India's lineup

This is the team that spent an hour trying to bowl an injured debutant tailender and Chris Martin out...then collapsed to 15 for 5. Are they good, yes, with a bulky batting bulwark. Are they brilliant, no. Are they even close to consistently dominant, no.

[Pakprideuk]

Lol Zaheer isn't better than Gul, simple as, if you didn't follow cricinfo and actually watched the game then you would know how Gul was bowling the first two tests, he got seam off the wicket, he beat Graeme Smith on the inside and outside, he had Peterson edged 3 times in the 2nd test and Greame Smith.

Gul bowls well but this wicket was really slow so the ball didn't carry.

As far as Tanvir Ahmed is concerned he bowled really well, also remember the team that Pakistan were facing and the squad that India were facing, i mean how many proven world class batsmen have New Zealand got and how many world class batsmen have South Africa got therefore the comparison isn't fair and Gul and Tanvir are still better than the India quicks and we will continue to have, i have nothing against them but indian strategies are completely different to Paks, pak have quality seamers as India beat Pakistan comfortably in the spin department and have done so, as well as the batting,.

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

lol @ 2nd test vs NZ showed how good it is ... don't wanna comment ;)

[Friend786]

they just have better test spinners !

[Friend786]

fast bowling , no way near pakistan's !

[NJamal]

LOL at the OP

Gul >>> Zaheer
Tavir>> Ishant
Wahab> Sree-Nose
Ajmal>> Harbhajan

And remember this is our second string attack. If UAE pitches were also like Nagpur than you would have seen different results. What happened to Indian better bowlers in first two tests against world's weakest test batting line up. When the conditions are good for bowling Pakistan's third string bowlers will be better than Indian first string.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by njamal574 LOL at the OP Gul >>> Zaheer Tavir>> Ishant Wahab> Sree-Nose Ajmal>> Harbhajan And remember this is our second string attack. If UAE pitches were also like Nagpur than you would have seen different results. What happened to Indian better bowlers in first two tests against world's weakest test batting line up. When the conditions are good for bowling Pakistan's third string bowlers will be better than Indian first string.

nope Zaheer better than gul. Harbajan still better than ajmal. Agree with the rest (though those two still need more time to prove themselves).

[Ali Raja]

Originally Posted by njamal574 LOL at the OP Gul >>> Zaheer Tavir>> Ishant Wahab> Sree-Nose Ajmal>> Harbhajan And remember this is our second string attack. If UAE pitches were also like Nagpur than you would have seen different results. What happened to Indian better bowlers in first two tests against world's weakest test batting line up. When the conditions are good for bowling Pakistan's third string bowlers will be better than Indian first string.

LOL at you if you really think Gul is better! Gul is no good in Tests, he sucks. When was the last time he performed? Harbhajan is still better than Ajmal. And Sreesanth is a very good bowlers for Tests, can move the ball both ways with excellent wrist position.

[ace58]

Its too early to judge Ojha Rehman Akmal Tanvir and Riaz.

And Sharma has done pretty well considering he's been bowling in some pretty flat pitches. I wouldn't judge him either untill he plays in South Africa and England. Sreesanth is brilliantly at time but has mental Issues.

[KashifButtar]

Yeah without Amir & Asif i will give Indian bowling attack a slight edge over Pakistani attack.

[saj001]

Jaheer is most over rated bowler in the world.

[Markhor]

Zaheer Khan yes,the rest are fairly average.I think this is the right way to go for Pakistan.Focus on our batting,its let us down too often and if we have to sacrifice our bowlers,fine.There are plenty of youngsters in domestic cricket as well so I dont believe that there is a crisis in Pakistan's bowling attack.However,cricket is struggling for a new generation of Test bowlers.

We have to accept the likes of McGrath,Bond,Lee,Akhtar,Walsh,Ambrose etc have been brilliant in the last 10-15 years,but they're done.Gone.Either they've retired completely or are now focusing on LOIs only like Lee and Akhtar.But thats for another bowler-mourning thread.When it comes to India,there seems to be a much bigger focus on batsmen,all the top youngsters are batsmen.Pujara,Kohli,Raina,Vijay etc.Zaheer Khan is the only leading light when it comes to the bowlers.

Now,Sir Atul Sharma bhai of Uttar Pradesh,.He deserves a different category altogether.

[s2k]

Well the present PAK line up without Asif and Aamer is not better than India.

Zaheer is a much better test bowler than Gul

Harbhajan is still way better than Ajmal(in tests)

Sreesanth well he is temperamental......on his day he is devastating.

Ishant is patchy

Ojha it is too early to comment on him eer.just like it is too early to comment on Wahab and Tanveer

[ads101]

Originally Posted by Markhor Zaheer Khan yes,the rest are fairly average.I think this is the right way to go for Pakistan.Focus on our batting,its let us down too often and if we have to sacrifice our bowlers,fine.There are plenty of youngsters in domestic cricket as well so I dont believe that there is a crisis in Pakistan's bowling attack.However,cricket is struggling for a new generation of Test bowlers. We have to accept the likes of McGrath,Bond,Lee,Akhtar,Walsh,Ambrose etc have been brilliant in the last 10-15 years,but they're done.Gone.Either they've retired completely or are now focusing on LOIs only like Lee and Akhtar.But thats for another bowler-mourning thread.When it comes to India,there seems to be a much bigger focus on batsmen,all the top youngsters are batsmen.Pujara,Kohli,Raina,Vijay etc.Zaheer Khan is the only leading light when it comes to the bowlers. Now,Sir Atul Sharma bhai of Uttar Pradesh,.He deserves a different category altogether.

lee was never a good test bowler. excellent in limited overs though.

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by s2k Well the present PAK line up without Asif and Aamer is not better than India. Zaheer is a much better test bowler than Gul Harbhajan is still way better than Ajmal(in tests) Sreesanth well he is temperamental......on his day he is devastating. Ishant is patchy Ojha it is too early to comment on him eer.just like it is too early to comment on Wahab and Tanveer

Ojha's role in the team can be compared to Abdur Rehman.
But Harbhajan is complete and utter garbage and Zaheer is good, but not better than Gul.
On his day Sreesanth is pretty good. Devastating? Not really.
Yeah, Ishant is patchy and doesn't normally do much.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by FastBowler Ojha's role in the team can be compared to Abdur Rehman. But Harbhajan is complete and utter garbage and Zaheer is good, but not better than Gul. On his day Sreesanth is pretty good. Devastating? Not really. Yeah, Ishant is patchy and doesn't normally do much.

Harbhajan is still better than Ajmal.......

Bhajji 378 wickets @32

Ajmal 33 wickets @ 40

Gul as a test bowler is not as good as Zaheer

Gul 112 wickets @ 36

Zaheer 260 wickets @ 32


Ishant just bowled a match winning spell againist NZ and before that againist AUS

Statistically he is better than Gul

83 wickets @ 34

Rehman and Ojha havent played enough to have any judgement passed on them

[Stewie]

I think current Indian bowling line up is good only because of Zaheer. Harry Singh is not as good a spinner as before. Ojha in fact is better and I believe he will be a future super star. Ishant and Sreesanth are very flaky.
I want to say Pakistan's bowling is better because of some new additions like Waahab and Tanvir but then again they have not played much.

If you have a bowling line up of Gul, Tanvir, Sami then of course Indian line up is miles better.

You take out Sami and put Wahab in there or even Amir (which may not be possible for a few years I am guessing) then Pakistan has the edge.

[saqlain]

There is no comparison between the two teams. One is the leader in Test Cricket and the other is at the bottom. India has a balanced team which suits their style of cricket. Their bowlers are okay, I don't think they are the best but are good enough to get 20 wickets. Simply comparing Pakistan's team or bowlers with India is not fair.

[TigerJat]

The current bowling lineups of both countries are pathetic.

Not one world class bowler among the two. Zaheer and Gul are the best bowlers amongst both sides, both are 3rd bowler level bowlers.

Pakistan need to start trying out some new blood and try to find the next Amir/Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib.

For India it is ok, because they are traditionally a batting team, but this is bad for Pakistan, because we are more dependent on our bowling.

[PB]

Originally Posted by s2k Harbhajan is still better than Ajmal....... Bhajji 378 wickets @32 Ajmal 33 wickets @ 40 Gul as a test bowler is near Zaheer Gul 112 wickets @ 36 Zaheer 260 wickets @ 32 Ishant just bowled a match winning spell againist NZ and before that againist AUS Statistically he is better than Gul 83 wickets @ 34 Rehman and Ojha havent played enough to have any judgement passed on them

Yep your right, but Gul is our 3rd bowler, but unfortunatly because of Amir and Asif, now he has to be the 1st bowler...

Your 1st and 2nd bowlers, average almost as much as our 3rd bowler..