Nawaz pushed MQM to the wall : Musharraf

[Markhor]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=9499

LONDON: Pervez Musharraf has alleged that Pakistan Muslim League leader Nawaz Sharif can be blamed for today's gory situation in Karachi, for he had ignored the military's advice and tried to corner the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (Altaf faction). Speaking at the launch of his party's London chapter here Saturday, Musharraf, a globe-trotter who is avoiding to enter Pakistan as he faces opposition from the government as well as political and religious parties, said he had advised Nawaz Sharif against his policy of cornering the Altaf-led MQM, but Nawaz Sharif didn't pay heed to his words of caution and pushed the party against the wall and thought that the original MQM's breakaway faction, known as MQM-Haqiqi, would prevail. I had advised against the policy of encouraging gang warfare in Karachi, but my advice was not acted upon, said Musharraf. Musharraf said that ill-conceived policy bred a lot of resentment and today's situation in Karachi can be seen in that context. Answering questions by The News, he lashed out Sharif brothers and called them closet supporters of extremism and sectarian groups and said both cannot be differentiated as none of them were taking any stand against extremism and hard-line forces. Musharraf challenged Sharif brothers to make their stand clear on extremism and come clean on it and alleged that they retained links with dubious people and groups in Jhang. He said he knew from the beginning that Nawaz Sharif and his party were just scoring political points when they put the government on ultimatum. "They (PML-N) have stakes in this system, and they will never destabilise this setup because it suits them. They bluff, huff and puff when they issue ultimatums and statements, it doesn't mean anything, other than political grandstanding," he said in reference to PML-N policies at the national level. Musharraf said Salman Taseer's murder showed Pakistani society is polarized, and hysteria ruled the national discourse. He said blasphemy law is a necessity, and it should be seen in the rationale perspective, but there was an urgent need to stop its misuse and the element within the law that allowed the miscarriage of justice must be revisited and amended. He said he had amended the Hudood laws and made some changes in the blasphemy law itself to tighten it up but conceded that more needs to be done. He called for a strict punishment for Mumtaz Qadri, Salman Taseer's killer, who fired 27 bullets in the governor's neck and was garlanded by right-wingers. "Punishment is the sole responsibility of the State. Mumtaz Qadri should be punished because he challenged the writ of the government," Musharraf demanded. Musharraf said he was continuing with his lecture to parties and think tanks in Europe and elsewhere and was happy that Diaspora Pakistanis were flocking to his party. Mushararf denied ever telling Hamid Mir, famous Geo political show host, that he would like to kill Altaf Hussain if ever he found the exiled MQM leader. "Hamid Mir has never said any good thing about me. I cannot trust him. I have met Altaf Hussain many times, and we have been on fine terms."

[kkmix]

Totally agree with him, Ganja made too much negative propaganda against MQM in the 1990s, through the only television channel and few news papers. And he succeeded because whole of Punjab hates MQM pretty much.

[ganeshran]

But why should the military advice the government on political matters?

[FastBowler]

Because the government wants to fire their gun from over the military's shoulder.

[GOAT]

Originally Posted by ganeshran But why should the military advice the government on political matters?

Segregation of the state and military can only exist when the government is reasonable, intelligent, and most importantly - not corrupt.

This is Pakistan. What works for others will not and cannot work for us, we live in two different worlds at the moment.

[Toe Crusher]

The craziness and sickness that has engufled Karachi and within for so many decades...

I've personally had a cousin murdered in Karachi due to this political gang crap, so it's a particularly sore subject..

[cricketkhan88]

Musharraf is so right about this issue...........NS ganja(pro taliban) needs to be exposed as soon as possible so that his turn to rule Pakistan never comes which he is again dreaming of. And its time that Pakistanis needs to know the truth.

[waqar_ahmad]

Musharrraf said it himself, that if he could, he would shoot Altaf Hussain himself coz he is a traitor. But this was when mush had just come to power, and he actually wanted to better pakistan.

[Eagle_Eye]

Musharaf would say and do anything to absolve himself of any responsibility..... cannot trust what the man says... Perhaps he learnt this from the best... Benazir!!

[Saad Hasan]

What a liar this Mush is just like his MQM thugs cohorts...the real operation clean up which resulted in the deaths of thousands of MQM terrorist along with a few innocents was conducted by an old PPP stalwart Naseerullah Babar under BB's second term...

MQM terrorist are not even sincere with their own deceased workers and their families...how can it be when many of them are killed on the direct orders of Altaf bhai...e.g. Azeem Tariq, Khalid Bin Walid, Imran Farooq, etc., etc....

[madaboutlfc]

Originally Posted by Saad Hasan What a liar this Mush is just like his MQM thugs cohorts...the real operation clean up which resulted in the deaths of thousands of MQM terrorist along with a few innocents was conducted by an old PPP stalwart Naseerullah Babar under BB's second term... MQM terrorist are not even sincere with their own deceased workers and their families...how can it be when many of them are killed on the direct orders of Altaf bhai...e.g. Azeem Tariq, Khalid Bin Walid, Imran Farooq, etc., etc....

is that fact or fiction and has it been proven in court of law.

[Saad Hasan]

Originally Posted by madaboutlfc is that fact or fiction and has it been proven in court of law.

Has it been proven in the court of law that Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks...

How about discussing a more relevant subject here...MQM's complete apathy and lack of sincerity towards their own???

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by madaboutlfc is that fact or fiction and has it been proven in court of law.

That's exactly what Nawaz has achieved to do, put so much hate into people's mind about MQM that they don't even think right and Blame blame and blame without any proof.

[Saad Hasan]

Originally Posted by kkmix That's exactly what Nawaz has achieved to do, put so much hate into people's mind about MQM that they don't even think right.

Right, and the cognitive dissonance is quite conspicuous in your and your fellow MQM propaganda-cell member's half-hearted technicality-based defence of bhai's innocence, nay, benevolence...

[madaboutlfc]

Originally Posted by Saad Hasan Has it been proven in the court of law that Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks... How about discussing a more relevant subject here...MQM's complete apathy and lack of sincerity towards their own???

How old are you? 5 or under..

Bin Laden has not stood trial and does not intend to. Most if not all mqm members have had court cases against them and still do but a lot of those have been cleared. Unlike Bin Laden they can be prosecuted.

As for discussing a more relevant subject I would say that you ability to be a massive liar (presenting stuff which has not been proven in court is lies)

[madaboutlfc]

Originally Posted by Saad Hasan Right, and the cognitive dissonance is quite conspicuous in your and your fellow MQM propaganda-cell member's half-hearted technicality-based defence of bhai's innocence, nay, benevolence...

its not technicality sunshine its a fact unlike your making up stuff.. MQM members maybe rapists, murderers or even terrorists but till they are proven as such they are not and its a libelous to suggest that. I am pretty certain were you someone of significance not hiding behind a username on a forum you would have been taken to task and found yourself in a deep hole.

[Saad Hasan]

Originally Posted by madaboutlfc How old are you? 5 or under.. Bin Laden has not stood trial and does not intend to. Most if not all mqm members have had court cases against them and still do but a lot of those have been cleared. Unlike Bin Laden they can be prosecuted. As for discussing a more relevant subject I would say that you ability to be a massive liar (presenting stuff which has not been proven in court is lies)

Ever heard of trial in absentia...now I am compelled to ask, does bhai let you clones do any critical thinking...or lets you read about the rest of the world...or you can't deviate off the script/talking points laced with filthy ad-hominems handed to you by bhai Waseem Akhter...

They can be prosecuted but your fellow co-ethnist Mush gave you all a massive immunity in the shape of NRO...and the last time anybody tried to prosecute cases against you lot, your Nazi nature came into the full view, where you burned to death lawyers and occupied the Sind high court...

As for being a massive liar or not..."Jo Quaid ka ghaddar hai woh mot ka haqdaar hai"...

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by madaboutlfc I am pretty certain were you someone of significance not hiding behind a username on a forum you would have been taken to task and found yourself in a deep hole.

A very unfortunate choice of words given MQM's alleged and proud track-record record of silencing dissent and criticism through threats or worse (eg murder, torture, etc).

In any case - are you really threatening violence against someone just because their views don't accord with your own?

[Saad Hasan]

Originally Posted by madaboutlfc its not technicality sunshine its a fact unlike your making up stuff.. MQM members maybe rapists, murderers or even terrorists but till they are proven as such they are not and its a libelous to suggest that. I am pretty certain were you someone of significance not hiding behind a username on a forum you would have been taken to task and found yourself in a deep hole.

, please give it try none the less, so that even nobodies like me won't dare repeat this in public...

In reality bhai and his many thug clones usually don't quite deal with this sort of criticism with civility...usually it's either a bori band lash or a profanity filled tongue lashing by the likes of lalookhaiti Waseem Akther and badboodar Haider Abbas...

Speaking of profanity wants to know when is he getting sued...or popping up in band bori..

[madaboutlfc]

Originally Posted by ShehryarK A very unfortunate choice of words given MQM's alleged and proud track-record record of silencing dissent and criticism through threats or worse (eg murder, torture, etc). In any case - are you really threatening violence against someone just because their views don't accord with your own?

Im sure being a resident of manchester you do know what i mean by deep hole. I am not a fan of alleged stuff like muslims are allegedly targeted by the US or Aasia bibi allegedly said blasphemous stuff etc etc

[madaboutlfc]

Originally Posted by Saad Hasan , please give it try none the less, so that even nobodies like me won't dare repeat this in public... In reality bhai and his many thug clones usually don't quite deal with this sort of criticism with civility...usually it's either a bori band lash or a profanity filled tongue lashing by the likes of lalookhaiti Waseem Akther and badboodar Haider Abbas... Speaking of profanity wants to know when is he getting sued...or popping up in band bori..

maybe they need to go the balochi way..

[cricketkhan88]

Originally Posted by Saad Hasan , please give it try none the less, so that even nobodies like me won't dare repeat this in public... In reality bhai and his many thug clones usually don't quite deal with this sort of criticism with civility...usually it's either a bori band lash or a profanity filled tongue lashing by the likes of lalookhaiti Waseem Akther and badboodar Haider Abbas... Speaking of profanity wants to know when is he getting sued...or popping up in band bori..

r u a chaudhry nisar in disguise????? Please don't you try to explain from where you are coming from. By your language and hate I can already tell about your back ground and up bringing. Why not read the topic 1st for once may be you will get the idea what this thread is about.

[0tt0man]

I'll keep it simple here. Have the MQM lovers forgotten Naseerullah Babar and the party he belonged to? Temporary forgetfulness is understandable in their case as they're currently lapdogs of the PPP

I bet they'll be licking Nawaz's feet after the next elections. And it'll be Babar who will be targeted for the killings then

[the Great Khan]

oh the jiyalas are out in force today..you want proof? im living proof of the MQM's ethnic cleansing policies!!..they are terrorists and traitors!!Im just dissappointed Babar didnt finish the job!!

[Saad Hasan]

Originally Posted by cricketkhan88 r u a chaudhry nisar in disguise????? Please don't you try to explain from where you are coming from. By your language and hate I can already tell about your back ground and up bringing. Why not read the topic 1st for once may be you will get the idea what this thread is about.

Nice try, I grew in Lalookhait and Azizabad...I am as bhaya as they come...and have seen the genesis and the evolution of MQM up close and personal...

[Markhor]

Seeing as his name is being mentioned,Naseerullah Babar passed away last week.

[Qelic]

lol .... ethnic divide of Pakistan in disguise of political clash !

[madaboutlfc]

Originally Posted by Saad Hasan Nice try, I grew in Lalookhait and Azizabad...I am as bhaya as they come...and have seen the genesis and the evolution of MQM up close and personal...

euphemism surely

[waqar_ahmad]

I just dont understand, how can anyone hate Altaf bhai, after listening to his wonderful speeches.

[0tt0man]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad I just dont understand, how can anyone not hate Altaf bhai, after listening to his wonderful speeches.

Corrected

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by 0tt0man I just dont understand, how can anyone not Love Altaf bhai, after listening to his wonderful speeches.

corrected

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Toe Crusher The craziness and sickness that has engufled Karachi and within for so many decades... I've personally had a cousin murdered in Karachi due to this political gang crap, so it's a particularly sore subject..

Thats why I dont wanna go back.

[Desire]

i came to know about mqm few years before. i was so surprised religous parties used to hate mqm so much and i wondered why? pmln is also secular, anp is also secular but why target mqm? yes may be they also have had issues with terrorism in karachi but why a guy in punjab hate mqm so much. i still dont understand it TBH.

[kkmix]

^They are the biggest stakeholders of the biggest city of Pakistan, which also happens to be a business hub of the country. Who wouldn't want piece of that.

Originally Posted by Desire but why a guy in punjab hate mqm so much. i still dont understand it TBH.

I am still trying to figure that out myself.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by Desire i came to know about mqm few years before. i was so surprised religous parties used to hate mqm so much and i wondered why? pmln is also secular, anp is also secular but why target mqm? yes may be they also have had issues with terrorism in karachi but why a guy in punjab hate mqm so much. i still dont understand it TBH.

you got to know about them a few years ago and now you think your a expert? Ill tell you about these scum..why dont you ask altaf bhai supporters what happend between 1986 and 1996? ask them and watch them spin you a yarn about their grievances..Ill tell you what happened they turned the city of lights into a sectarian hellhole..if you were a puinjabi or a pukhtoon you were dead meat..end of story..they shot innocent labourers for no reason simply becasue they were a pakhtoon or punjabi..

I remember the slogans and rascism and fear..I used to travel to karsaz for school on my school bus ..being one of only one or two punjabios i kept my mouth shut amongst the songs of altaf and his mujahids shooting up the punjabis!! the dirty dhoti walay.."yaad nahi? " Sindhi muhajir bhai bhai yay naswaar aur dhoti khanan say aye?"

My mother used to live in fear waiting for us to get home..then eventually they came for us..lets leave it at that!!..in my opinion they are an enemy of Pakistan and Islam itself..a cancer in pakistan..May 12? anyone..Naseerullah babar should have finished the scum off for good..now they rule karachi like warlords!! Paksitan will never find peace as long as these traitors are amongst us!!

just do a search for the amount of threads and arguments we've had over this?? any one remeber aurangzeb on pp? who was a staunch supporter? where are the jiyalas now? your all sick and pathetic in my book..its very simple for me..anyone who supports them is my blood enemy!..end of story!

[0tt0man]

@the Great Khan
I hope you don't base your opinion about all Mohajirs because of the antics of the MQM. A majority hates them and only supports them out of fear. They are scum of the worst degree and everybody knows it

A good no. of my relatives had to flee Karachi due to threats by the MQM supporters and they were Mohajirs aka Urdu Speaking.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by 0tt0man @the Great Khan I hope you don't base your opinion about all Mohajirs because of the antics of the MQM. A majority hates them and only supports them out of fear. They are scum of the worst degree and everybody knows it A good no. of my relatives had to flee Karachi due to threats by the MQM supporters and they were Mohajirs aka Urdu Speaking.

no im against the MQM..individual muhajirs were good people and they are my pakistani brothers but these MQM scum are my enemies! they are the worst kind of traitor in pakistan!!

[ShehryarK]

Guys,

Please respond to posts without personally insulting the other posters, thank you.

Criticising or insulting a political party is fine as that's normal political discourse. However, insulting a race/tribe/religion, or abusing another PPer, is not on.

I am sure we are all old enough to appreciate the distinction.

Thanks!

[cricketkhan88]

Originally Posted by 0tt0man I'll keep it simple here. Have the MQM lovers forgotten Naseerullah Babar and the party he belonged to? Temporary forgetfulness is understandable in their case as they're currently lapdogs of the PPP I bet they'll be licking Nawaz's feet after the next elections. And it'll be Babar who will be targeted for the killings then

lol.....it has always been other way around........Once again in next election your ganja leader and Mr bean will be coming all the way from kingdom of raiwand to lick the feet of farooq sattar and haider abbas at 9 0, asking them to be with them in govt just like the days in 97 when nawaz ganja went to london and literally went on his knees and begged for support from altaf hussain. Zaradari and co did the same in 2008 elections, and soon it will be your leader's turn mark my words. Unless which I hope that nawaz and gang don't get any support in next elections and somehow imran khan, mqm and apml(musharraf) make a coalition govt in punjab which in reality is not going to happen unless an army operation takes place in punjab to clean up the lotaray leaders and their supporters.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by cricketkhan88 [/B] lol.....it has always been other way around........Once again in next election your ganja leader and Mr bean will be coming all the way from kingdom of raiwand to lick the feet of farooq sattar and haider abbas at 9 0, asking them to be with them in govt just like the days in 97 when nawaz ganja went to london and literally went on his knees and begged for support from altaf hussain. Zaradari and co did the same in 2008 elections, and soon it will be your leader's turn mark my words. Unless which I hope that nawaz and gang don't get any support in next elections and somehow imran khan, mqm and apml(musharraf) make a coalition govt in punjab which in reality is not going to happen unless an army operation takes place in punjab to clean up the lotaray leaders and their supporters.

the only reason people come to ask your quaid for his blessing is because if they dont he'll turn karachi into an abbatoir for punjabis and pakthuns!! its called blackmail..the MQM are traitors and must be removed from karachi for teh safety of Pakistan itself!

[*syed59*]

Originally Posted by Desire yes may be they also have had issues with terrorism in karachi but why a guy in punjab hate mqm so much. i still dont understand it TBH.

Originally Posted by kkmix I am still trying to figure that out myself.

I think we all know and accept that most people from punjab don't consider a muhajir as pakistani. This is a common fact, and if it isn't known to be a common fact especially among the newer generation, then I think it should be known and accepted as quickly as it could.

Just for example, 1-2 yrs ago a man came to my office and was told by my colleague(who is from sialkot or somewhere near to it) to check with me for his requirements.

The concerned but prompt response from that man was "yeh kidher kai hain, Pakistan kay ? my friend told him im from karachi.... to which he replied:
" karachi se ya india se ?... then " oh jee karachi india ek hi cheez hai....then almost proudly said "mein to inhain pakistani he nahin samajhta na"..... he said this with some punjabi words mixed in somewhere between those lines and was laughing slightly

And he didn't care whether I listened to it or not. He said what he had to. After which he finally came to me started asking what he needed from me.

These type of other incidents plus I've also heard from many politicians as well as from my friends and relatives that when muhajirs were entering into punjab, they were told "pakistan aagae hai ji... aagay jaaein". Which obviously means they weren't accepting those coming from India.


This is however regarding Muhajirs. I dont know much about MQM on what their party really consists of or whether they really are way too bad or way too good or a mixture of bad and good.

But yea, all these pieces together do point out to something. That punjabis did not and still not have, with an open heart, accepted those who are living in karachi today, as pakistanis.

But certainly, I also know A LOT of punjabis who have absolutely no problem with the concept of muhajirs and others in sindh as pakistanis.

You can call it hatred, or complex, or simply bad characters, on the part of those in PML-N and all those who follow them while bash MQM like anything.