Attacker on SL Cricket Team on Geo News

[Shahrukh Khan]

Ok here is the Video

[Shahrukh Khan]

His name is Abdul Rehman Code Name is Umar. He belongs to Lashkar-e-Jhangwi. Plan was to kidnap the SL Players and deal with the Govt. to release his partners. Master mind name is Dr. Usman and he is from DI Khan. He got training in Waziristan. After attack they all went back to Waziristan.

Will try to find the video.

[SAF]

I dont trust geo. A propaganda machine that seems to be ready to insult Pakistan at any given time.

[Shahrukh Khan]

Originally Posted by Shahid Afridi's Fan I dont trust geo. A propaganda machine that seems to be ready to insult Pakistan at any given time.

the man was under police custody and was sitting in a Police Mobile

[FusedBulb]

Reminds of Pakistani police joke that went in the jungle and came back with an elephant.

[Garuda]

How to catch a lion in Indian police way ?

Catch a dog from street. Beat the hell out of him till he accepts that he is a Lion.


Hope thats not the case.

[Down2Earth]

they didn't catch anyone, i don't believe this.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth they didn't catch anyone, i don't believe this.

Exactlty

[Omar Malik]

Geo apne number barhaanay ke chakar mein aik baar phir!

[ascher]

Height of denial!!!!

Geo is a propaganda machine and a channel following yahoodi/ indian lines just because the culprit doesn't say that he did it at behest of Indians or RAW (a desperate desire of all the rightists)

I bet that the police station where he is sitting right now is also full of ahmedis, mqmers, salman taseers family, ngos and Aasia bibi supporters!

[WithLoveFromCanada]

GEO has hurt Pakistani interest on many occasions. I cant forget their role in hurting Pakistan's image all over the world by proving to the world that pakis conducted that operation in India. For any pro **** that was enough to show the real face of GEO.

[Maula Jutt]

By the way, I don't understand what's so hard to believe in this?

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada GEO has hurt Pakistani interest on many occasions. I cant forget their role in hurting Pakistan's image all over the world by proving to the world that pakis conducted that operation in India. For any pro **** that was enough to show the real face of GEO.

First, it was not an operation. It was a cold blooded terrorist attack.

Second did Geo turn out to be wrong on that?

[DeadlyVenom]

Put a bullet between his eyes

[Munda Pakistani]

Originally Posted by ganeshran First, it was not an operation. It was a cold blooded terrorist attack. Second did Geo turn out to be wrong on that?

Dunno, haven't followed it very closely. But Geo's report which they claimed to have made in Faridkot turned out to have been made in a nearby village, with the people shown having been paid, if one is to believe a report by another channel (Waqt, their report is on youtube).

What is one to believe about a channel in country X, which shows a completely fabricated report at a very sensitive time?

Oh, and it's also interesting that while Geo's report was splashed all over the Indian media, and every Indian in the world knows about it, Waqt news's report (which came out a couple of days or so later) always comes as a surprise. Then again, maybe citing the Waqt report wouldn't bear too well on the "dun dun dun Pakistani media nain bilaakhir maan lia dun dun dun" 'logic', and so is best kept hidden.

[KingKhanWC]

What about the rest of them?

[khalil1986]

Kidnap their dead bodies? If im not wrong they were attacked with rockets and all sorts.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by ganeshran First, it was not an operation. It was a cold blooded terrorist attack. Second did Geo turn out to be wrong on that?

Yes they did. The villiage was not the real kasab's villiage. A different channel interviwed the same exact people and they all admitted that geo had told them to say different things etc.

[Decipher]

Originally Posted by khalil1986 Kidnap their dead bodies? If im not wrong they were attacked with rockets and all sorts.

nailed it !!

The entire story falls apart right here.

[Shahrukh Khan]

Video added. By the way one thing we all have to admit that "Problems are there". We can't live in a denial mood. If 50% news are FAKE at least 50% are true too.

[Desire]

Originally Posted by Shahid Afridi's Fan I dont trust geo. A propaganda machine that seems to be ready to insult Pakistan at any given time.

ret main sar denay say maslay hal nehin hotay.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by Shahid Afridi's Fan Yes they did. The villiage was not the real kasab's villiage. A different channel interviwed the same exact people and they all admitted that geo had told them to say different things etc.

Still he was a Pakistani, that doesnt change things if his village was different. Hamid Mir is no angel, but he was one of the first to tell a lot of uncomfortable truths to the public

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by khalil1986 Kidnap their dead bodies? If im not wrong they were attacked with rockets and all sorts.

They came to kidnap members of a team that had presidential level security. What sort of arms did you expect them to bring. Pocket knives and slingshots?

[ascher]

Originally Posted by Decipher nailed it !! The entire story falls apart right here.

lol, Its funny how you people are literally taking things just because you want his statement to look like a lie.

Just tell me how else they would have kidnapped at least some people from a whole bus with so much security and police around it?..On the gun point alone?..Its's not your daily "shabir tu dekhay ga" kidnap you fools!

Their ideal situation would have been if some of them had died while they had kidnapped the others (alive and wounded) easily!

Also, don't ignore the fact that even if the actual plan had been just to kill them all, there is no way any remotely sane guy (which abdul-wahab looks like to be) would ever admit to it, as kidnapping is after all not considered as henious a motive/ crime in any court as simply killing guys for no reason!...you don't even need your lawyer to tell you so..its just basic human intelligence which most of you look devoid of at this point of time!

[suhaib]

geo ofcourse an enemy of pakistan, waqt tv allready exposed them during the mumbai attacks lies, hamid mirs staged dramas of him going to tribal areas and trying to show the area has broken off from pakistan and his continous lies with others like ansar abbasi, he has allready been exposed with his connections to raw backed TTP, yet people will still live in denial.

[ascher]

Originally Posted by Munda Pakistani Dunno, haven't followed it very closely. But Geo's report which they claimed to have made in Faridkot turned out to have been made in a nearby village, with the people shown having been paid, if one is to believe a report by another channel (Waqt, their report is on youtube). What is one to believe about a channel in country X, which shows a completely fabricated report at a very sensitive time? Oh, and it's also interesting that while Geo's report was splashed all over the Indian media, and every Indian in the world knows about it, Waqt news's report (which came out a couple of days or so later) always comes as a surprise. Then again, maybe citing the Waqt report wouldn't bear too well on the "dun dun dun Pakistani media nain bilaakhir maan lia dun dun dun" 'logic', and so is best kept hidden.

Since its a well established fact that Kasab was after all from pakistan so I think its useless to argue as to whether geo interviewed the guys from the right village or Waqt did!

It just looks like one of those "rightist vs centered" media houses wars in the backdrop of such a huge incident to me (Remember that the b-grade waqt channel is actually a part of infamous "Nawa-e-waqt" group, a media outlet that is well known for not only being a conservative group but also fro having special "affinity" towards anything remotely indian..btw, they are the same group which actually defended Aasia bibi's death sentence without even knowing as to whether she really committed blashphemy or not )

and now, why it could have been easy for waqt but not geo to negate what geo said in the first place...

1-Any one who is aware of rural pakistan would know it very well as to how easy it is for any civilian to get lost, find or think of one village as another when technically speaking they are not ...(as something as unnoticeable as a road or a natural track/ canal could split one "gaaf-bay chak" (village) from another "jeem-bay chak (village)..Those who have rural backgrounds completely know as to what i am trying to say!

So, its very much possible that geo might have actually been to Kasab's village or for that matter the village just on the sidelines of his village and later Waqt (whose very bread and butter mostly depends on making a news out of the news broken by bigger channels like Geo, Duniya, Dawan, Ary etc ) just worked all those nitty gritties and complex geography of rural pakistan to their advantage in order to advertise themselves and their pro-rightist stance!

Just think about it..how could any paksitani channel (whose whole business is dependent on this country) could break such a detrimental news which goes against the interest of the whole state without being cent percent sure about it?..and we all saw that at the end of the day Kasba's connection after all was established to Pakistan and to that very area and its surroundings!...so trust me it's just one of those "gaaf-bay, ray-baay" things of rural punjab ;)

[SAF]

Originally Posted by ascher Since its a well established fact that Kasab was after all from pakistan so I think its useless to argue as to whether geo interviewed the guys from the right village or Waqt did! It just looks like one of those "rightist vs centered" media houses wars in the backdrop of such a huge incident to me (Remember that the b-grade waqt channel is actually a part of infamous "Nawa-e-waqt" group, a media outlet that is well known for not only being a conservative group but also fro having special "affinity" towards anything remotely indian..btw, they are the same group which actually defended Aasia bibi's death sentence without even knowing as to whether she really committed blashphemy or not ) and now, why it could have been easy for waqt but not geo to negate what geo said in the first place... 1-Any one who is aware of rural pakistan would know it very well as to how easy it is for any civilian to get lost, find or think of one village as another when technically speaking they are not ...(as something as unnoticeable as a road or a natural track/ canal could split one "gaaf-bay chak" (village) from another "jeem-bay chak (village)..Those who have rural backgrounds completely know as to what i am trying to say! So, its very much possible that geo might have actually been to Kasab's village or for that matter the village just on the sidelines of his village and later Waqt (whose very bread and butter mostly depends on making a news out of the news broken by bigger channels like Geo, Duniya, Dawan, Ary etc ) just worked all those nitty gritties and complex geography of rural pakistan to their advantage in order to advertise themselves and their pro-rightist stance! Just think about it..how could any paksitani channel (whose whole business is dependent on this country) could break such a detrimental news which goes against the interest of the whole state without being cent percent sure about it?..and we all saw that at the end of the day Kasba's connection after all was established to Pakistan and to that very area and its surroundings!

I stoped reading after the fiest sentence. Where is the proof?

[ascher]

Waqt a.k.a Zaid Hamid Channel

Btw, let me tell you that waqt is the same retarded channel which invites fanatics like Zaid Hamid every other day on their morning shows (a show mostly for housewives and women), now you can imagine why they thought of it as their divine obligation to negate geo's apparently "unpatriotic"/ "kufr" stance by hook or crook! []

[ascher]

Originally Posted by Shahid Afridi's Fan I stoped reading after the fiest sentence. Where is the proof?

Ever heard of Nawz sharif, the ex-prime minister of pakistan, the lion of punjab, the sympathizer of Talibans, the wanna-bee Amir-ul-momineen, the mujahid who made pakistan an atmoic state..surely he can't sell himself to india like geo ...or can he?



Talk about less knowledge and great claims!...

p.s: I have also many other videos by pakistani media ..though let me just see how childishly you deny this blatent admission and then I would decide as to whether you are even worth discussing things or not

[suhaib]

ascher please give up.

how many times have waqt invited zaid hamid, have you been counting if so then your seriously dont know how to count because 2/3 times in the last 5 years is not every other day.

the different between geo and waqt is that waqt is a patriotic channel which defends pakistan while geo promotes lies of enemies in the country and defends them by lieing and fake staged reports like the ajmal kasab drama in some local village, hamid mirs dramas about tribal areas when he probably shot the video in margalla and now this fake report on sl.

[ascher]

Originally Posted by suhaib ascher please give up. the different between geo and waqt is that waqt is a patriotic channel which defends pakistan while geo promotes lies of enemies in the country and defends them by lieing and fake staged reports like the ajmal kasab drama in some local village, hamid mirs dramas about tribal areas when he probably shot the video in margalla and now this fake report on sl.

You know what is funny here?, that its a well-established fact that hamid meer is a well known conservative, who still have contacts with Talibans and whose one audio tape was also released in which he indirectly asked the talibans to get rid of a particular person..

Also, geo is a well known, right-centered media group with rightists like Ansaar Abbasi, Hamid meer having their major say over the liberals or leftists!

So, when you call geo unpatriotic it just tells your state of mind which simply can't accept anything negative towards pakistan no matter how true that is!

If geo is unpatriotic then I wonder what dawn news would be to you ...indians running a mmedia-group in the disguise of paksitanis

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by Shahid Afridi's Fan I stoped reading after the fiest sentence. Where is the proof?

the government of Pakistan accepted he is from Pakistan, Kasab accepted he is from Pakistan. what kind of proof do you need more?

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ascher You know what is funny here?, that its a well-established fact that hamid meer is a well known conservative, who still have contacts with Talibans and whose one audio tape was also released in which he indirectly asked the talibans to get rid of a particular person.. Also, geo is a well known, right-centered media group with rightists like Ansaar Abbasi, Hamid meer having their major say over the liberals or leftists! So, when you call geo unpatriotic it just tells your state of mind which simply can't accept anything negative towards pakistan no matter how true that is! If geo is unpatriotic then I wonder what dawn news would be to you ...indians running a mmedia-group in the disguise of paksitanis

what dawn is doesn't really matter as no one watches it.

secondly its not about conservatives, righties or lefties. its the matter of lieing and what geo does is LIES for what, to gain attention, no, to make money or cause controversy maybe but who would sell their country for such a thing. its quite clear why they lie and it doesn't need to be said. therefore its not about not accepting anything negative its me not accepting lies, I have always accepted negatives but why should i accept lies.

thirdly, you yourself admit hamid mirs connection with the terrorists, which you know are connected with the RAW which even many Indians have admitted and only a fool will deny that, yet you still defend geo.

and atleast admit ttp are anti Pakistan, so if geo is connected with ttp wouldn't that make them anti Pakistan as well?

lastly i never said Indians are running a media group in pakistan, however there are elements i.e, journalists who work for enemies to spread disinformation. CIAs history of funding journlists to spread lies and propaganda is recorded in many books, some written by cia officials themselves, it hilarious how people still live in denial.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib what dawn is doesn't really matter as no one watches it. secondly its not about conservatives, righties or lefties. its the matter of lieing and what geo does is LIES for what, to gain attention, no, to make money or cause controversy maybe but who would sell their country for such a thing. its quite clear why they lie and it doesn't need to be said. therefore its not about not accepting anything negative its me not accepting lies, I have always accepted negatives but why should i accept lies. thirdly, you yourself admit hamid mirs connection with the terrorists, which you know are connected with the RAW which even many Indians have admitted and only a fool will deny that, yet you still defend geo. and atleast admit ttp are anti Pakistan, so if geo is connected with ttp wouldn't that make them anti Pakistan as well? lastly i never said Indians are running a media group in pakistan, however there are elements i.e, journalists who work for enemies to spread disinformation. CIAs history of funding journlists to spread lies and propaganda is recorded in many books, some written by cia officials themselves, it hilarious how people still live in denial.

Really? its my turn to ask for proof.

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran Really? its my turn to ask for proof.

there have been journalists in india which did admit it, however i am talking about this forum, indians have admitted india sponsers ttp on many threads.

[ahsan88]

Ascher leave it mate, some people will never come out of denial.

Whether GEO staged the Ajmal Kasab village thing or not, it is a fact that he is a Pakistani (verified by the GoP) and he was involved in the Mumbai attacks.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib there have been journalists in india which did admit it, however i am talking about this forum, indians have admitted india sponsers ttp on many threads.

A neutral source which has proof of any links of RAW with pakistan terrorists. Which threads on PP are you talking about, any links? Even if the thread exists, it isnt an irrefutable proof.

Dont try to blame India for everything wrong that goes on in your country.

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran A neutral source which has proof of any links of RAW with pakistan terrorists. Which threads on PP are you talking about, any links? Even if the thread exists, it isnt an irrefutable proof. Dont try to blame India for everything wrong that goes on in your country.

sorry but thats what india does not us, its funny when an indian says it. we don't blame india for everything that goes wrong like you guys do we only blame them for terrorism as its a fact.

now im not going to discus the proofs here as its been discussed many times in many topics, i only said indians have said raw backs ttp, its on some threads which will be have to dug up but whether you agree with it or not it doesn't matter, the facts are as solid as they can get,

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib sorry but thats what india does not us, its funny when an indian says it. we don't blame india for everything that goes wrong like you guys do we only blame them for terrorism as its a fact. now im not going to discus the proofs here as its been discussed many times in many topics, i only said indians have said raw backs ttp, its on some threads which will be have to dug up but whether you agree with it or not it doesn't matter, the facts are as solid as they can get,

Is that another way of saying you dont have any proof?

Only blame India for terrorism?

http://asiancorrespondent.com/39066/...-joke-promise/

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/08...found-allover/

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran Is that another way of saying you dont have any proof? Only blame India for terrorism? http://asiancorrespondent.com/39066/...-joke-promise/ http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/08...found-allover/

like I said there are many topics on it, its been discussed to death.

as for your nonsense rants about pak blaming india for terroism maybe you should look at the hillarious rants from your own people , from isi sending pigeons to every little mishap that happens.

Pak 'spy' pigeon caught on border, police suspect ISI hand
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pa...lic.../624566/

indians a clear example of

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib like I said there are many topics on it, its been discussed to death. as for your nonsense rants about pak blaming india for terroism maybe you should look at the hillarious rants from your own people , from isi sending pigeons to every little mishap that happens. Pak 'spy' pigeon caught on border, police suspect ISI hand http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pa...lic.../624566/ indians a clear example of

There were terrorist attacks in India which Pakistan wasnt blamed for. the bomb blast in Varanasi and Pune were throughly investigated and found to be the work of home grown terrorists.

you guys on the other hand blame us even for the floods in Pakistan

Seriously RAW, CIA and even Israel are blamed for everything

They read like the most extraordinary revelations. Citing the WikiLeaks cables, major Pakistani newspapers this morning carried stories that purported to detail eye-popping American assessments of India's military and civilian leaders. According to the reports, US diplomats described senior Indian generals as vain, egotistical and genocidal; they said India's government is secretly allied with Hindu fundamentalists; and they claimed Indian spies are covertly supporting Islamist militants in Pakistan's tribal belt and Balochistan. "Enough evidence of Indian involvement in Waziristan, Balochistan," read the front-page story in the News; an almost identical story appeared in the Urdu-language Jang, Pakistan's bestselling daily. If accurate, the disclosures would confirm the worst fears of Pakistani nationalist hawks and threaten relations between Washington and New Delhi. But they are not accurate.

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran There were terrorist attacks in India which Pakistan wasnt blamed for. the bomb blast in Varanasi and Pune were throughly investigated and found to be the work of home grown terrorists. you guys on the other hand blame us even for the floods in Pakistan Seriously RAW, CIA and even Israel are blamed for everything

height of denial,

your papers are full of news about isi doing this, isi doing that,
the bomb blasts which were found to be the work of homegrown terrorists were mosty probably because the naxlites or one of your other separatist groups admitted to it, now cause they cant blame Pakistan india is now blaming china for funding the naxalites yet you have indians like you talking about putting blame on others.

as for the floods india was blamed because they have built illegal dams along the border which released water into Pakistan during the floods, you see India is only blamed in Pakistan on factual evidence yet you guys blame isi for even a flu you catch.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib height of denial, your papers are full of news about isi doing this, isi doing that, the bomb blasts which were found to be the work of homegrown terrorists were mosty probably because the naxlites or one of your other separatist groups admitted to it, now cause they cant blame Pakistan india is now blaming china for funding the naxalites yet you have indians like you talking about putting blame on others. as for the floods india was blamed because they have built illegal dams along the border which released water into Pakistan during the floods, you see India is only blamed in Pakistan on factual evidence yet you guys blame isi for even a flu you catch.

There is no evidence of China's support to Naxalites to destabilize India. This is the official position of the Indian government. The main insurgency support comes from Pakistan. Musharraf admitted this in an interview with a German magazine. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...721110,00.html

Do you even know Geography or just spout whatever Zaid hamid tells you. The flooding happened in rivers which flow from Afhganistan, not India. Wait now you will say India told Afghanistan to release waters into India.

[Sameer K]

Originally Posted by ganeshran There is no evidence of China's support to Naxalites to destabilize India. This is the official position of the Indian government. The main insurgency support comes from Pakistan. Musharraf admitted this in an interview with a German magazine. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...721110,00.html Do you even know Geography or just spout whatever Zaid hamid tells you. The flooding happened in rivers which flow from Afhganistan, not India. Wait now you will say India told Afghanistan to release waters into India.

Hahahahaha, I didn't know that...

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran There is no evidence of China's support to Naxalites to destabilize India. This is the official position of the Indian government. The main insurgency support comes from Pakistan. Musharraf admitted this in an interview with a German magazine. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...721110,00.html Do you even know Geography or just spout whatever Zaid hamid tells you. The flooding happened in rivers which flow from Afhganistan, not India. Wait now you will say India told Afghanistan to release waters into India.

i never said china supports naxalites, your gov. says it, not me. why would i say it, i know Indians put the blame on others for everything.

musharraf talks about the past during wars, there have been indians that have admitted indian sponsered groups like mukti bani in the past.

as for the flooding you prove yourself how right zaid hamid is
please study some geography yourself




just to confirm to you Afghanistan is on the left not the right. you probably would have not noticed that.

height of denial is unbelievable by Indians.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib i never said china supports naxalites, your gov. says it, not me. why would i say it, i know Indians put the blame on others for everything. musharraf talks about the past during wars, there have been indians that have admitted indian sponsered groups like mukti bani in the past. as for the flooding you prove yourself how right zaid hamid is please study some geography yourself just to confirm to you Afghanistan is on the left not the right. you probably would have not noticed that. height of denial is unbelievable by Indians.

Indian government's position on Chinese support to Naxalites - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/6292768.cms

NEW DELHI: Government on Wednesday said it has no evidence of China lending support to Maoists. "....we have no evidence on reports that China is lending support to them (Maoists)," home minister P Chidambaram informed the Rajya Sabha during Question Hour.

Yes India supported the Mukti Bahini, after the Pakistan Army mercilessly slaughtered 3 million Bangaldeshis in 1971 - search for operation Searchlight. It was a short war. Pakistan on the other hand supported insurgent groups for the best part of its independent history.

Here is the article from wikipedia

Current flooding is blamed on unprecedented monsoon rain.[13] The rainfall anomaly map published by NASA shows unusually intense monsoon rains attributed to La Niña.[14] On 21 June, the Pakistan Meteorological Department cautioned that urban and flash flooding could occur from July to September in the north parts of the country.[15] The same department recorded above-average rainfall in the months of July and August 2010[16] and monitored the flood wave progression.[17] Some of the discharge levels recorded are comparable to those seen during the floods of 1988, 1995, and 1997.[18]

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran Indian government's position on Chinese support to Naxalites - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/6292768.cms Yes India supported the Mukti Bahini, after the Pakistan Army mercilessly slaughtered 3 million Bangaldeshis in 1971 - search for operation Searchlight. It was a short war. Pakistan on the other hand supported insurgent groups for the best part of its independent history. Here is the article from wikipedia

more and more denial

now pakistan slaughtered 3 million bangladeshis just like the way they send pigeons to spy on india please read the book blood and tears by qutubuddin aziz for more facts.

keep living in denial kid, but you just proved one thing india blames Pakistan for almost everything, while Pakistan only blames india on factual evidences and next time please update your 'geography' before making a laugh out of yourself.

[the Great Khan]

erm sorry but the Indus doesnt flow from afghanistan, and there is no doubting that Indias strategic use of teh water weapon is a known soft power strategy...whether they did it during the floods or not Ill have to read up a bit more but it wouldnt surprise me..

secondly as usual ascher sahib needs to find a wife or something who can cool him down a bit..I see too much issues going on inside that tiny head of his..wonder if it was the story of the mullah monster that sleeps under your bed that has created such a complex..!

finally to the Indians, erm can youe xplain how dead TTP members always turn out to be uzbeks,tajiks mostly uncircumcised and some known members of general dostums gang of lovely people? in other words the northern alliance that has been supported by India for almost 20 years? mnnhh...there is factual evidence to abck up claims that the TTP are not what they claim..and anyway if India is not formenting problems in Pakistan then why not disband RAW?

[Shahrukh Khan]

Bhai Jaan this is a thread about an attacker who attacked on SL team

[s2k]

Originally Posted by suhaib more and more denial now pakistan slaughtered 3 million bangladeshis just like the way they send pigeons to spy on india please read the book blood and tears by qutubuddin aziz for more facts. keep living in denial kid, but you just proved one thing india blames Pakistan for almost everything, while Pakistan only blames india on factual evidences and next time please update your 'geography' before making a laugh out of yourself.

Oh really so Pakistan didnt massacre people in Bangladesh.I will let the bangladeshis here on PP answer that.

India has blamed Pakistan for terrorist attacks on Indian soil and they have been found to be true.The UN has banned PAkistani nationals and Pakistani organisations for those attacks on the basis of evidence provided by India.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib more and more denial now pakistan slaughtered 3 million bangladeshis just like the way they send pigeons to spy on india please read the book blood and tears by qutubuddin aziz for more facts. keep living in denial kid, but you just proved one thing india blames Pakistan for almost everything, while Pakistan only blames india on factual evidences and next time please update your 'geography' before making a laugh out of yourself.

Amazing that you continue to even after being proved blatantly wrong on Indian government's position on Chinese support to Naxalites. Even more amazing that the only source you quoted till now is the ISI pigeon story Not one single other source from you




Really, Bangladesh's genocide was a lie?

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,878408,00.html

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm#Bangladesh

http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

[SAF]

Originally Posted by ascher Ever heard of Nawz sharif, the ex-prime minister of pakistan, the lion of punjab, the sympathizer of Talibans, the wanna-bee Amir-ul-momineen, the mujahid who made pakistan an atmoic state..surely he can't sell himself to india like geo ...or can he? Talk about less knowledge and great claims!... p.s: I have also many other videos by pakistani media ..though let me just see how childishly you deny this blatent admission and then I would decide as to whether you are even worth discussing things or not

You sir, have no idea what you are talking about. I wont even argue with you. Just stop making a fool of yourself and dont post in this thread again

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan finally to the Indians, erm can youe xplain how dead TTP members always turn out to be uzbeks,tajiks mostly uncircumcised and some known members of general dostums gang of lovely people?

Can you quote any sources on this story? I read Pakistani news websites quite a bit but I havent come across this before

Originally Posted by the Great Khan in other words the northern alliance that has been supported by India for almost 20 years? mnnhh...there is factual evidence to abck up claims that the TTP are not what they claim..and anyway if India is not formenting problems in Pakistan then why not disband RAW?

Because RAW is not responsible for fomenting trouble in Pakistan in the first place, that was never its mandate. RAW's job is to gather intelligence and information from sources other than the official ones.

Outright support to terror anywhere would only weaken India's case against Pakistan in the diplomatic community. India has nothing to gain from it. What India is instead doing is taking its battles to the diplomatic stage - trying to get countries to make statements against Pakistan, blocking funding options etc. Any proof of involvement in terror would make other countries reluctant to support India.

And that is the exact reason why China doesnt need to support Naxalites to foment trouble in India, even though they can. They are militarily stronger, and when they can win by conventional warfare, there is no need to go through terrorist groups which are a double edged sword.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by Shahid Afridi's Fan You sir, have no idea what you are talking about. I wont even argue with you. Just stop making a fool of yourself and dont post in this thread again

Is the argument whether Kasab is from Pakistan? That has already been accepted by the GoP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/wo...stan.html?_r=1

There was also a report by Rehman Malik in reply to the Indian dossier which the official confirmation.

[Looney]

Originally Posted by ganeshran Is the argument whether Kasab is from Pakistan? That has already been accepted by the GoP. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/wo...stan.html?_r=1 There was also a report by Rehman Malik in reply to the Indian dossier which the official confirmation.

You really value what our government says , huh ? If they say Kashmir belongs to Pakistan or India is behind all the terrorism in Pakistan and Afghanistan , would you still take their word for it ?

[s2k]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan erm sorry but the Indus doesnt flow from afghanistan, and there is no doubting that Indias strategic use of teh water weapon is a known soft power strategy...whether they did it during the floods or not Ill have to read up a bit more but it wouldnt surprise me.. secondly as usual ascher sahib needs to find a wife or something who can cool him down a bit..I see too much issues going on inside that tiny head of his..wonder if it was the story of the mullah monster that sleeps under your bed that has created such a complex..! finally to the Indians, erm can youe xplain how dead TTP members always turn out to be uzbeks,tajiks mostly uncircumcised and some known members of general dostums gang of lovely people? in other words the northern alliance that has been supported by India for almost 20 years? mnnhh...there is factual evidence to abck up claims that the TTP are not what they claim..and anyway if India is not formenting problems in Pakistan then why not disband RAW?

Why so RAW be disbanded?Is RAW a terrorist organisation?May be you will ask for ISI CIA MI6 MOSSAD etc etc to be disbanded?WEvery country has its intelligence agencies.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by Looney You really value what our government says , huh ? If they say Kashmir belongs to Pakistan or India is behind all the terrorism in Pakistan and Afghanistan , would you still take their word for it ?

Yup if they say it, I would. The government is accountable in two ways - one to the international community, and the other to the domestic audience.

Since both these positions are subject to intense scrutiny, it is very unlikely that they would take a domestically unpopular position unless they really have a solid reasoning behind it.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Looney You really value what our government says , huh ? If they say Kashmir belongs to Pakistan or India is behind all the terrorism in Pakistan and Afghanistan , would you still take their word for it ?

May be we should value what Zaid Hamid says and believe Kasab is Amar Singh.Kasab and PAkistan's connections have been accepted by Pakistan government and there have been further collabrated by Headley in USA.Accepting that a certain citizen of your country has been involved in terror attacks in a froeign land is a big thing for a country.Lot of country claim lot of territories around the world,China claims Taiwan,Argentina claims Falkland etc etc, thats a different issue altogether.

[ascher]

Originally Posted by Shahid Afridi's Fan You sir, have no idea what you are talking about. I wont even argue with you. Just stop making a fool of yourself and dont post in this thread again

well grapes were really sour for you, weren't they?


"Khisyani billi khamba nochay"..Don't tell me what to do, just comment as to what else proof do you want when your premiere political personality, ex-prime minister and most importantly the head of the party which is actually governing the province where kasab lived is admitting to his residence in his province!!!

Go eat your words, vomit them and then eat them again..you have been exposed blatently my friend!!!...perhaps you should only watch your joker role model playing pajama (t-20) cricket as you surely don't have any more brain cells than that brain-less role model of yours!

[Shahrukh Khan]

Guys stop the fight now. Lets say this: Koi kam nahi hai koi doodh ka dhula nahi hai.


PEACE

[Looney]

Originally Posted by s2k May be we should value what Zaid Hamid says and believe Kasab is Amar Singh.Kasab and PAkistan's connections have been accepted by Pakistan government and there have been further collabrated by Headley in USA.Accepting that a certain citizen of your country has been involved in terror attacks in a froeign land is a big thing for a country.Lot of country claim lot of territories around the world,China claims Taiwan,Argentina claims Falkland etc etc, thats a different issue altogether.

Where did that come from ? Look sir , i am not one of those people who hate India , USA , CIA , RAW , Israel just for the sake of it . i do not believe i need to hate anyone or anything to show my patriotism for my country . If you have read my previous posts , you will find that my views are very much balanced and moderate .


God has given me a brain and i will question all the information i am being fed until it makes sense to me . Lots of things did not make sense to me about Mumbai attacks and one of them was when he was caught and everyone knew he was a ( allegedly ) a Pakistani , then why did he keep speaking Hindi ? Let me tell you , i belong to Karachi and come across people with different accents in Urdu all the time . Nobody talks like that in Pakistan .

About this thread , what is being shown in the video does not make sense either . If they were going to kidnap a whole team , they would need cars , buses , trucks to shove them inside and then drive away the car . they ran away on motorbikes if you saw the CCTV footages !!! How they were planning to kidnap the whole team , the officials with so much security is beyond me . The best they could do was to kill them and they even had their chance but it did not look like they wanted to kill them either .

[Looney]

Originally Posted by Garuda How to catch a lion in Indian police way ? Catch a dog from street. Beat the hell out of him till he accepts that he is a Lion. Hope thats not the case.

That is exactly what i think is being done . The security , or basically any top official with inside information definitely was involved . They changed the route to the stadium , do you know that ? how did these terrorists know that the they were not taking the usual route ? Why did the Pakistani bus not come on time ? Why did the security pretend to be killed ? My brother , you only have to see the CCTV footages and you will be laughing at the incompetency .

Catching and punishing these terrorists is one thing but what about the top officials being involved ? what about incompetent security ? this is NOT presidential level security . not at least in Pakistan . Here have a look at what Presidential level security is in Pakistan .



A common person cannot drive on the same road as them on the same day . They block it for them . I have not been to Islamabad but in Karachi , The main road infront of the Bilawal House is always permanently blocked . Same with Murtaza Bhutto's house . The British embassy road is blocked . You look or do something funny and you will be shot .

[Looney]

Originally Posted by ganeshran Yup if they say it, I would. The government is accountable in two ways - one to the international community, and the other to the domestic audience. Since both these positions are subject to intense scrutiny, it is very unlikely that they would take a domestically unpopular position unless they really have a solid reasoning behind it.

Maybe you just woke up because they have been saying lots of things like India's involvement in Baluchistan and FATA areas . Forget out government , Rahul Gandhi admitted Hindu extremism being far more serious a problem than anything else

BUT this will become a mud-slinging competition , nothng else . The point is , we need to use our brain . Lots of things are said everyday and if we were to believe it all , this world would be very confusing and chaotic .

[s2k]

Where did that come from ? Look sir , i am not one of those people who hate India , USA , CIA , RAW , Israel just for the sake of it . i do not believe i need to hate anyone or anything to show my patriotism for my country . If you have read my previous posts , you will find that my views are very much balanced and moderate . God has given me a brain and i will question all the information i am being fed until it makes sense to me . Lots of things did not make sense to me about Mumbai attacks and one of them was when he was caught and everyone knew he was a ( allegedly ) a Pakistani , then why did he keep speaking Hindi ? Let me tell you , i belong to Karachi and come across people with different accents in Urdu all the time . Nobody talks like that in Pakistan .

See your own govt after initial denials and after being shown the truth accepted that KAsab is from Pakistan.Why did they do that?
There is a case pending in Pakistan againist PAkistani citizens who masterminded the attack.The attackers were in constant touch with the masterminds in Pakistan,as proved by tracing the satellite phone calls.The CIA also collaborated this finding.Headley in his confession also collaborated this.Two Pakistanis were arrested in Italy for carrying out financial dealings for the attackers.Kasab has said this numeorus times and it has been found out that they were trained in speaking hindi so that they can mingle with the local public.For a urdu speaker it isnt difficult to learn hindi.

About this thread , what is being shown in the video does not make sense either . If they were going to kidnap a whole team , they would need cars , buses , trucks to shove them inside and then drive away the car . they ran away on motorbikes if you saw the CCTV footages !!! How they were planning to kidnap the whole team , the officials with so much security is beyond me . The best they could do was to kill them and they even had their chance but it did not look like they wanted to kill them either .

Well i dont know much about what the attacker said and stuff.But they could have easily kidnapped the team and drove them in the same team bus.The security wasnt that strict as it should have been or the attack wouldnt have happened in the 1st place.

[Looney]

Originally Posted by s2k See your own govt after initial denials and after being shown the truth accepted that KAsab is from Pakistan.Why did they do that? There is a case pending in Pakistan againist PAkistani citizens who masterminded the attack.The attackers were in constant touch with the masterminds in Pakistan,as proved by tracing the satellite phone calls.The CIA also collaborated this finding.Headley in his confession also collaborated this.Two Pakistanis were arrested in Italy for carrying out financial dealings for the attackers.Kasab has said this numeorus times and it has been found out that they were trained in speaking hindi so that they can mingle with the local public.For a urdu speaker it isnt difficult to learn hindi. Well i dont know much about what the attacker said and stuff.But they could have easily kidnapped the team and drove them in the same team bus.The security wasnt that strict as it should have been or the attack wouldnt have happened in the 1st place.

So if someone trains me in speaking Russian , i should forget my Urdu ? No Urdu speaker needs training to speak Hindi . What i am saying is that after he had been accused , an interview of his was aired on an Indian channel where he claimed to be a fan of Amitabh Bachan . He said words like jiyadti and julam . All that when he was confessing he was a Pakistani . It does not sound too convincing . not to me at least

But he has been caught and he is confessing the crime then he should be given the kind of punishment that should send chills down everyone's spine . I just found it rather funny that the current Pakistani government's words were taken as serious and credible .

This particular incident of Sri Lankan team attack raises a lot of questions . I will just not be satisfied with a bunch of nobodies on camera confessing the murder . The masterminds , the officials involved , the people responsible for security , everyone much be questioned and punished accordingly . Too many times , the bigger masterminds have been let go of after being caught . Refer to the Lal Masjid case , for example .

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by Looney Maybe you just woke up because they have been saying lots of things like India's involvement in Baluchistan and FATA areas . Forget out government , Rahul Gandhi admitted Hindu extremism being far more serious a problem than anything else BUT this will become a mud-slinging competition , nothng else . The point is , we need to use our brain . Lots of things are said everyday and if we were to believe it all , this world would be very confusing and chaotic .

Can you give me a source where my government said that? Its very easy to make statements but you should back your statements with appropriate sources.

Rahul Gandhi confided in the US diplomat about Hindu terrorism as revealed in the wikileaks cables. But who is denying that? Hindu extremism is worry for India lke other security issues of Islamic extremism and Naxalism. The scales of threat may vary, but all are security risks for India.

[Looney]

^ i meant Pakistani government has been claiming that .

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Looney So if someone trains me in speaking Russian , i should forget my Urdu ? No Urdu speaker needs training to speak Hindi . What i am saying is that after he had been accused , an interview of his was aired on an Indian channel where he claimed to be a fan of Amitabh Bachan . He said words like jiyadti and julam . All that when he was confessing he was a Pakistani . It does not sound too convincing . not to me at least But he has been caught and he is confessing the crime then he should be given the kind of punishment that should send chills down everyone's spine . I just found it rather funny that the current Pakistani government's words were taken as serious and credible . This particular incident of Sri Lankan team attack raises a lot of questions . I will just not be satisfied with a bunch of nobodies on camera confessing the murder . The masterminds , the officials involved , the people responsible for security , everyone much be questioned and punished accordingly . Too many times , the bigger masterminds have been let go of after being caught . Refer to the Lal Masjid case , for example .

Yaar tell me why will a government lie and take blame that its citizens have been involved in something so heinous?What about the rest of the evidence some of which i mentioned.If some one trains you to speak russian wont you be inclined to use russian words when speaking with a russian?

As i told earlier i am not too aware of the things that happened post lahore incident.

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by s2k Oh really so Pakistan didnt massacre people in Bangladesh.I will let the bangladeshis here on PP answer that. India has blamed Pakistan for terrorist attacks on Indian soil and they have been found to be true.The UN has banned PAkistani nationals and Pakistani organisations for those attacks on the basis of evidence provided by India.

Based on India's evidence there are still arrests going on in Europe. Every country in the world including Pakistan has admitted Pakistan's role. Even United nation has accepted. Yet he(Suhaib) still doesnt believe it. You cannot reason with such people living in denial. and his every other belief comes from this denial. Let it go

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by Looney ^ i meant Pakistani government has been claiming that .

Ya any government will take a favourable stand with its domestic populace. Thats what governments do. Its upto *you* to decide whether you want to believe your government or not.

But when a governmet takes an unpopular stand domestically, it knows its actions would be subject to strict scrutiny by everyone. So it better have a real factual basis in its claims.

India doesnt claim Pakistani involvement in every attack that happens in our country. We didnt claim Varanasi was done by Pakistan or Pune bakery blast was done by them. It would have been really easy for the government to blame Pakistan and get it over with, but Indian homegrown Islamic radical elements were blamed.

Similary it would have been very easy for the government to blame Pakistan for Malegoan, Mecca masjid blasts etc but when the investigation happened the truth slowly but surely came out and the attacks were pinned on Hindu radical elemetns.

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran Amazing that you continue to even after being proved blatantly wrong on Indian government's position on Chinese support to Naxalites. Even more amazing that the only source you quoted till now is the ISI pigeon story Not one single other source from you Really, Bangladesh's genocide was a lie? http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,878408,00.html http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm#Bangladesh http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

still living in denial,

after being totally embarrassed on your assessment on geography and other topics you continue to provide absurd statements.

as for bangladesh and indias lies on it than like i said read blood and tears by qutubuddin aziz which offers eye witness accounts to what happens and has mukti bani members telling you the truth to sponsered them and what their aim was.

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by Indiafan Based on India's evidence there are still arrests going on in Europe. Every country in the world including Pakistan has admitted Pakistan's role. Even United nation has accepted. Yet he(Suhaib) still doesnt believe it. You cannot reason with such people living in denial. and his every other belief comes from this denial. Let it go

every country in the world, which world do you live in.

and it doesnt matter what the un accepts, they said iraq has nuclear weapons, just because un says something doesnt make it a fact, just shows how intelligent indians really are.

living in denial is what indians do not us.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by suhaib every country in the world, which world do you live in. and it doesnt matter what the un accepts, they said iraq has nuclear weapons, just because un says something doesnt make it a fact, just shows how intelligent indians really are. living in denial is what indians do not us.

There were arrests in US and Europe.may be they live in denial as well.

UN never said that Iraq has WMDs.Show me a resolution which says Iraq has WMDs.

Yes nothing matters,The UN USA your own govt's acceptance nothing matters all that matters is what Zaid Hamid and Suhaib says.

here read a few articles,may be everyone lies

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1248...googlenews_wsj

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...870267,00.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/wo...a/27pstan.html

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by s2k There were arrests in US and Europe.may be they live in denial as well. UN never said that Iraq has WMDs.Show me a resolution which says Iraq has WMDs. Yes nothing matters,The UN USA your own govt's acceptance nothing matters all that matters is what Zaid Hamid and Suhaib says. here read a few articles,may be everyone lies http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1248...googlenews_wsj http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...870267,00.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/wo...a/27pstan.html

UNs resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...esolution_1441

i think this is funny, zadari has probably never in his life got this much support from what he receives by the indians, anyway it doesnt matter what he says as hes a lost cause, if you accept his claims then you also probably accept his corruption. It doesn't matter here as zadari and ppp are highly anti pak army and since they got in have been trying to weaken the isi and this was probably the best opportunity they had to get at them.
and when indian blames pak and the president accepts, un or usa will be stupid to say zadari is lieing.

maybe you should look at some of the articles of your own journlist amrish misra who has opened the facts,
as for zaid hamid you call him this and that however till date none of his claims have been refuted.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by suhaib UNs resolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...esolution_1441 i think this is funny, zadari has probably never in his life got this much support from what he receives by the indians, anyway it doesnt matter what he says as hes a lost cause, if you accept his claims then you also probably accept his corruption. It doesn't matter here as zadari and ppp are highly anti pak army and since they got in have been trying to weaken the isi and this was probably the best opportunity they had to get at them. and when indian blames pak and the president accepts, un or usa will be stupid to say zadari is lieing. maybe you should look at some of the articles of your own journlist amrish misra who has opened the facts, as for zaid hamid you call him this and that however till date none of his claims have been refuted.

You need to read the whole article specially the part regarding implementation of resolution 1441.Iraq accepted the resolution and allowed UN inspectors into Iraq.The inspectors did found some evidence of long range missiles and missing stocks of VX gas and Anthrax.USA attacked Iraq without any UN resolution.


Zardari is the leader of Pakistan,the legitimate leader.He may be corrupt or whatever the people of Pakistan voted him to power.So he is the official voice of Pakistan.

The truth about Kasab has been accepted by another PAkistani leader called Nawaz Sharif.

I have given you proof of Kasab being a PAkistani by quoting sources from Pakistan Govt,US Govt etc and you talk about a little known Indian journalist.

Tell me whether the govt of India should talk to Pakistan's govt and hand over evidence dossier to them or to Zaid hamid?

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib still living in denial, after being totally embarrassed on your assessment on geography and other topics you continue to provide absurd statements. as for bangladesh and indias lies on it than like i said read blood and tears by qutubuddin aziz which offers eye witness accounts to what happens and has mukti bani members telling you the truth to sponsered them and what their aim was.

dude, you talking about denial

See this website for real eyewitness accounts on the bangladesh genocide.

http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/

You can support your army all you want, but it cannot be denied that army in your country continued to undermine the democratic setup at regular intervals of history and never let it mature enough to be a vibrant democracy.

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by s2k You need to read the whole article specially the part regarding implementation of resolution 1441.Iraq accepted the resolution and allowed UN inspectors into Iraq.The inspectors did found some evidence of long range missiles and missing stocks of VX gas and Anthrax.USA attacked Iraq without any UN resolution. Zardari is the leader of Pakistan,the legitimate leader.He may be corrupt or whatever the people of Pakistan voted him to power.So he is the official voice of Pakistan. The truth about Kasab has been accepted by another PAkistani leader called Nawaz Sharif. I have given you proof of Kasab being a PAkistani by quoting sources from Pakistan Govt,US Govt etc and you talk about a little known Indian journalist. Tell me whether the govt of India should talk to Pakistan's govt and hand over evidence dossier to them or to Zaid hamid?

firstly no one called him illegal, secondly the people never voted him into power the parliament did.
as for nawaz sherif then i don't understand why you are bringing anti military politians into this just to prove your point they have a dirty history as bad as RAWs, you now want to believe a friend of bin laden, a taliban sympathizer and someone who gives shelter to anti pak elmants like bugti.

quoting gov. is hardly proof as history has shown them to be liers, no intellect on this planet uses government opinions and documents as proof in a debate.

and i dont understand this obsession what you indians have with zaid hamid, why is he always brought up in these topics by you.

[ganeshran]

Originally Posted by suhaib UNs resolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...esolution_1441 i think this is funny, zadari has probably never in his life got this much support from what he receives by the indians, anyway it doesnt matter what he says as hes a lost cause, if you accept his claims then you also probably accept his corruption. It doesn't matter here as zadari and ppp are highly anti pak army and since they got in have been trying to weaken the isi and this was probably the best opportunity they had to get at them. and when indian blames pak and the president accepts, un or usa will be stupid to say zadari is lieing. maybe you should look at some of the articles of your own journlist amrish misra who has opened the facts, as for zaid hamid you call him this and that however till date none of his claims have been refuted.

Musharraf comments to Der Spiegel

SPIEGEL: Why did you form militant underground groups to fight India in Kashmir? Musharraf: They were indeed formed. The government turned a blind eye because they wanted India to discuss Kashmir. SPIEGEL: It was the Pakistani security forces that trained them. Musharraf: The West was ignoring the resolution of the Kashmir issue, which is the core issue of Pakistan. We expected the West -- especially the United States and important countries like Germany -- to resolve the Kashmir issue. Has Germany done that? SPIEGEL: Does that give Pakistan the right to train underground fighters? Musharraf: Yes, it is the right of any country to promote its own interests when India is not prepared to discuss Kashmir at the United Nations and is not prepared to resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner. SPIEGEL: And how can a nuclear arsenal be safe when high-ranking officers support proliferation or even personally profit from it, as has been alleged? The nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan claims that the Pakistani army monitored and organized deals with countries like North Korea and Iran. Musharraf: That is wrong, absolutely wrong. Mr. Khan is a characterless man.

AFAIK regardless of his image worldwide, AQ Khan is considered a national hero in Pakistan

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran dude, you talking about denial See this website for real eyewitness accounts on the bangladesh genocide. http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/ You can support your army all you want, but it cannot be denied that army in your country continued to undermine the democratic setup at regular intervals of history and never let it mature enough to be a vibrant democracy.

after your fantastic geography lessons now you are gona teach us how our army is against democracy

Qutubuddin Aziz gives the facts of what happened in 1971 and before that with eye witness and from mukti bani themselves where they reveal the facts, this isnt some unknow source with unknown people like yours.
http://www.statelesspeopleinbanglade...lood_tears.php

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by ganeshran Musharraf comments to Der Spiegel AFAIK regardless of his image worldwide, AQ Khan is considered a national hero in Pakistan

from isi blowing bombs in india to zaid hamid then pak army against democracy in pakistan and now musharraf against aq khan

do you not have anything else to defend your country sponsoring terrorists with,

you are pure entertainment but indus flowing from Afghanistan takes the cake )