"Hashim Amla Terribly Overrated" - According to Schickelgruber

[The_Real_Deal]

@ OP :

you have damaged your credibility by posting this thread. i dont think you know what you're talking about by saying amla is over-rated.

why dont we talk stats then? back up your thread with proper stats and prove your point?

and i'll prove my point why we have 'big-up' amla so much with credible stats.

deal?

[Schickelgruber]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal @ OP : you have damaged your credibility by posting this thread. i dont think you know what you're talking about by saying amla is over-rated. why dont we talk stats then? back up your thread with proper stats and prove your point? and i'll prove my point why we have 'big-up' amla so much with credible stats. deal?

I could have tried to be civil with you if you asked nicely in the first place. but after posting bashing posts, I am in no mood to talk to you. Learn something from Whippy and a few other posters. Trying to fight or trying to be cool by name-calling will never get anyone, anywhere.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

why you made this thread schickelgruber ....you know i always have liked your post in a funny manner but this is not even funny ...i dont think this thread was needed.

[Schickelgruber]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada why you made this thread schickelgruber ....you know i always have liked your post in a funny manner but this is not even funny ...i dont think this thread was needed.

Bhai I was being serious, I really feel this guy is dipping somewhat. Whippy made an excellent post on the last page, you should read that and maybe you will see what I meant

[murphyslaw79]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber How smart of you. Maybe you should start your own forum website and make it age restricted.

I see you have avoided the analysis that Amla only bats well when in partnership with Kallis.

Every player has a favourite partner they like batting with. E.g. Sangakkara and Jayawardene. Doesn't make them a better or worse player when not batting with them.

[Schickelgruber]

Originally Posted by murphyslaw79 I see you have avoided the analysis that Amla only bats well when in partnership with Kallis. Every player has a favourite partner they like batting with. E.g. Sangakkara and Jayawardene. Doesn't make them a better or worse player when not batting with them.

Oh I saw that, it makes sense but one thing I feel is that kallis adds more calmness to Amlas play when they bat together.

[murphyslaw79]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber Bhai I was being serious, I really feel this guy is dipping somewhat. Whippy made an excellent post on the last page, you should read that and maybe you will see what I meant

How has he dipped in form my friend??? please please explain. Just because he did not convert his last 2 fifties into hundreds.

Whippys analysis is good and if you read it carefully he rates Amla pretty high, but not as high as Cook or KP or some other batsman, i don't think he said anywhere that Amla is overrated, but please correct me if i am wrong.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Whippy Hashim Amla is noticeably over-rated on this forum - this no doubt has a bit to do with his background and heritage, as it does with the hype surrounding Usman Khawaja (who in his four first-class innings against England looked like a glorified village player). I have never denied that Amla is a good player, but the epically long threads predicting Amla as a future great of the game and a legend are way off the mark. Amla's successes in ODI cricket have been well documented, and the record he broke today (fastest to 2000 runs) is commendable. However, when considering his (very high) average you have to remember that 500 of his 2000 runs were made against the particularly bad Bangladeshi and Zimbabwean bowlers, and another 400+ were made against the very fallible West Indians. He also seriously cashed in on the pancakes in the UAE against Pakistan. That's well over half of his runs accounted for already - not to say they are worth nothing, but when discussing certain players that PP DISlikes, users would be quick to point out how many of his runs came under easier circumstances...just saying! A better measure of his quality is the test match arena...Amla averages 46.95 in the top four in test cricket. He also has 12 hundreds in 51 tests, a good record no doubt, and he would probably get into any of the other test lineups. His successes in the test matches in India were also as superb as they were unexpected. Like I said, a quality player. Nonetheless, his weaknesses on his off-stump and against the short ball, wrongly said to be things of the past, are clearly still hovering over him, and some of his shot selection in the test series v India at HOME showed that he is still far from the complete package...and there are NUMEROUS players with better records in the test match arena. I've even seen some people on PakPassion call him the best active batsman, which is just ridiculous! ...he isn't even the best player in his team, which is Kallis of course...then you have Tendulkar, Sehwag, Sangakarra and others who are better. Alistair Cook and Kevin Pietersen are just two England players that have better test match records than Hashim Amla, with superior amount of hundreds, superior conversion rate and superior averages. I don't care which players you might 'like' more - these are the facts. Cook in particular just scored 760 runs with 3 huge tons (140, 189, 235*) in a series in Australia, one of the most prolific performances by an overseas batsman Down Under in the history of the game, and that as opener - why has this not been acclaimed on PP as much as Amla's performances in the tests in India? After all, does PP not consider India's bowling rubbish? Pietersen is not the player of 2005-2008 any longer, and Cook is an unexciting test specialist - maybe Amla is the more graceful and superior all-round player because of his success in various formats, but come on, Amla's test record is far from amazing! This is not going to be a popular post, but some grounding and perspective is advised at times!

To start i want to say brilliant post by you Whippy!
But I think you probably confound two things :
- How much PPers rate Hashim Amla
- How much PPers like Hashim Amla.
About rating Amla, I am sure and I hope no one on this forum has said that Amla is the best batsman, because this he is not. And as you pointed out he is not the better south african batsman. Kallis and Smith are probably both better. And to make you happy KP is also better (I prefer KP more than Amla!).
Then, there is nothing wrong if people say that he is the best batsman at the moment especially in ODI's. He has been quite brilliant.

Now about liking Amla, have to say we PPers love Hashim Amla, his calmness. and i think this likeness for him has grown even more with all the controversies we had over the past months. The same time he was showing his clamness.
One thing no one can doubt, he is the most calm batsman at the crease.
One other reason to like him is the fact that he is stylish.
And not to forget his origins, his religion may also influence us.

[murphyslaw79]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber Oh I saw that, it makes sense but one thing I feel is that kallis adds more calmness to Amlas play when they bat together.

Fair enough, that is a personal opinion, but not backed by numbers.

in 9 of those 16 games, Kallis did not even play. So unless he has him wired up via a head piece, and singing lullabys to him, i can't see how he has helped him in those innigns. BTW 6 of those 9 innings came against teams which were not Zim, WI or Bang.

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber Bhai I was being serious, I really feel this guy is dipping somewhat. Whippy made an excellent post on the last page, you should read that and maybe you will see what I meant

But why do you think this?
He has done nothing wrong, he has scored 2 fifities in 4 ODI innings.
Will you say the same thing for AB Devillier?

[James]

I would say that I still rate Smith higher than Amla, the former is more of a proven match-winner

[Mobashir]

Originally Posted by Whippy I would say that I still rate Smith higher than Amla, the former is more of a proven match-winner

Agree.
But to say he is overrated you have to show PPers saying that Amla is better than these players...

[Prince_Pathan]

what :/...

seriously man?

the man is a class batsman

a few failed innings dont change that

[w8in_4_0402]

he isnt overrated

just stupid to say that

[Amjid Javed]

Ive read most stupid threads combined in 2011 then probably in the 6 years before that!

[Amjid Javed]

I think MODs should start giving a award of the week for the most stupid threads being created!

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

@ OP

You Sir

Are An

[Rizwan25]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Ive read most stupid threads combined in 2011 then probably in the 6 years before that!

And still manage to get over 100 posts......

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber He had such an amazing start getting hundreds left and right but this series he has proved how disappointing he actually is. In my opinion, he is somewhat overrated and everyone should preserve their judgement till after the World Cup. He cannot play without Kallis as his partner and that showed in the current ODI series vs SA. I think SA have relied to much on him and he has turned out to be a huge flop ESPECIALLY this series where he was expected to score 100 runs every match. ..... thoughts?

One of the worst, or probably the worst thread in PP's history

You are wrong...he did not have an amazing start to his career, he gradually improved. You yourself expected him to score a 100 every match of this series (read your last paragraph)

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by Shaheerthe2nd Anyone who is muslim/has an Asian origin is usually overrated A LOT at Pakpassion. Amla is a solid batsmen, but he isn't the best in the world. He is maybe a legend in the making, but who knows yet. Time will tell. As for the OP, if you mean Amla is overrated on PP, then yes you are correct. But other than that he isn't overrated.

Read your opening sentence...then scroll down to the third paragraph...contradiction??

[DeadlyVenom]

He averages close to 57 at a strike rate of 93.3 as an opening bat. How can you say that he is overrated? I think you must be joking Schickelgruber just trying to kill some time on your gap year. Am i right?

[Jo_Don]

Originally Posted by Whippy Hashim Amla is noticeably over-rated on this forum - this no doubt has a bit to do with his background and heritage, as it does with the hype surrounding Usman Khawaja (who in his four first-class innings against England looked like a glorified village player). I have never denied that Amla is a good player, but the epically long threads predicting Amla as a future great of the game and a legend are way off the mark. Amla's successes in ODI cricket have been well documented, and the record he broke today (fastest to 2000 runs) is commendable. However, when considering his (very high) average you have to remember that 500 of his 2000 runs were made against the particularly bad Bangladeshi and Zimbabwean bowlers, and another 400+ were made against the very fallible West Indians. He also seriously cashed in on the pancakes in the UAE against Pakistan. That's well over half of his runs accounted for already - not to say they are worth nothing, but when discussing certain players that PP DISlikes, users would be quick to point out how many of his runs came under easier circumstances...just saying! A better measure of his quality is the test match arena...Amla averages 46.95 in the top four in test cricket. He also has 12 hundreds in 51 tests, a good record no doubt, and he would probably get into any of the other test lineups. His successes in the test matches in India were also as superb as they were unexpected. Like I said, a quality player. Nonetheless, his weaknesses on his off-stump and against the short ball, wrongly said to be things of the past, are clearly still hovering over him, and some of his shot selection in the test series v India at HOME showed that he is still far from the complete package...and there are NUMEROUS players with better records in the test match arena. I've even seen some people on PakPassion call him the best active batsman, which is just ridiculous! ...he isn't even the best player in his team, which is Kallis of course...then you have Tendulkar, Sehwag, Sangakarra and others who are better. Alistair Cook and Kevin Pietersen are just two England players that have better test match records than Hashim Amla, with superior amount of hundreds, superior conversion rate and superior averages. I don't care which players you might 'like' more - these are the facts. Cook in particular just scored 760 runs with 3 huge tons (140, 189, 235*) in a series in Australia, one of the most prolific performances by an overseas batsman Down Under in the history of the game, and that as opener - why has this not been acclaimed on PP as much as Amla's performances in the tests in India? After all, does PP not consider India's bowling rubbish? Pietersen is not the player of 2005-2008 any longer, and Cook is an unexciting test specialist - maybe Amla is the more graceful and superior all-round player because of his success in various formats, but come on, Amla's test record is far from amazing! This is not going to be a popular post, but some grounding and perspective is advised at times!

His record in tests is mostly due to the horrible start he had. Thankfully the team management stuck with him, and he's paying dividends now.

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber He had such an amazing start getting hundreds left and right but this series he has proved how disappointing he actually is. In my opinion, he is somewhat overrated and everyone should preserve their judgement till after the World Cup. He cannot play without Kallis as his partner and that showed in the current ODI series vs SA. I think SA have relied to much on him and he has turned out to be a huge flop ESPECIALLY this series where he was expected to score 100 runs every match. ..... thoughts?

you really need to think before speaking

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom He averages close to 57 at a strike rate of 93.3 as an opening bat. How can you say that he is overrated? I think you must be joking Schickelgruber just trying to kill some time on your gap year. Am i right?

yep

[WithLoveFromCanada]

schikelgruber please post your comments in the two threads here, they're needed here as I also requested earlier.

1)
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...71#post3359671

2)
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...27#post3360027

[freelance_cricketer]

Why is PP so emotional about Amla. he's of Indian origin anyway

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer Why is PP so emotional about Amla. he's of Indian origin anyway

He would have emigrated if he was born pre partition . His disdain for India is obvious

[Looney]

- this smiley was MADE for this thread

[gsivak]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom His disdain for India is obvious

Proof? Just because he plays well against India it doesn't mean he has disdain for it.

[nsaviguru]

My goodness after one series win and Pak fans are losing it. "Amla terribly overrate" you my friend either don't know the meaning of terribly or you are really high. Some of you (OP) are beginning to act like the English, they win one series next thing you know they think they are unbeatable and start proclaiming Cook as the next great batsman. lol

[sunnykhan]

Still under rated in my opinion. He is one of the finest and classiest player. India knows that he's the most important wicket. So the best batsman in the SA line up now is not at all over rated my frd.

[aby10rulz]

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

[Warfare]

Another stupid thread by none other than Chickenburger.

[kkmix]

Should add the poll we will know.

[AZ]

the biggest problem with the OP and his opinion is that it is factually very wrong.

Hashim had quite a poor start to his intl. career, was not making 'hundreds left and right' by any stretch of the imagination.

only cemented his spot in the SA side 2-3 years after making his debut.

[Dann]

Amla is class bro, so is usman Khawaja.

Amla will be rated as an outstanding once his career is done, and players like him will make the test arena live long.

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by Dann Amla is class bro, so is usman Khawaja. Amla will be rated as an outstanding once his career is done, and players like him will make the test arena live long.

What had Khwaja got to do with this thread

Besides, he is an ok batsman.

[UP]

You are one irritating poster along with Free Hit.

Please post some sensible stuff next time.

[ballyho]

Schickelgruber pal. Don't take this badly, but did you just discover that Amla has Indian origins?

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Whippy Hashim Amla is noticeably over-rated on this forum - this no doubt has a bit to do with his background and heritage, as it does with the hype surrounding Usman Khawaja (who in his four first-class innings against England looked like a glorified village player). I have never denied that Amla is a good player, but the epically long threads predicting Amla as a future great of the game and a legend are way off the mark. Amla's successes in ODI cricket have been well documented, and the record he broke today (fastest to 2000 runs) is commendable. However, when considering his (very high) average you have to remember that 500 of his 2000 runs were made against the particularly bad Bangladeshi and Zimbabwean bowlers, and another 400+ were made against the very fallible West Indians. He also seriously cashed in on the pancakes in the UAE against Pakistan. That's well over half of his runs accounted for already - not to say they are worth nothing, but when discussing certain players that PP DISlikes, users would be quick to point out how many of his runs came under easier circumstances...just saying! A better measure of his quality is the test match arena...Amla averages 46.95 in the top four in test cricket. He also has 12 hundreds in 51 tests, a good record no doubt, and he would probably get into any of the other test lineups. His successes in the test matches in India were also as superb as they were unexpected. Like I said, a quality player. Nonetheless, his weaknesses on his off-stump and against the short ball, wrongly said to be things of the past, are clearly still hovering over him, and some of his shot selection in the test series v India at HOME showed that he is still far from the complete package...and there are NUMEROUS players with better records in the test match arena. I've even seen some people on PakPassion call him the best active batsman, which is just ridiculous! ...he isn't even the best player in his team, which is Kallis of course...then you have Tendulkar, Sehwag, Sangakarra and others who are better. Alistair Cook and Kevin Pietersen are just two England players that have better test match records than Hashim Amla, with superior amount of hundreds, superior conversion rate and superior averages. I don't care which players you might 'like' more - these are the facts. Cook in particular just scored 760 runs with 3 huge tons (140, 189, 235*) in a series in Australia, one of the most prolific performances by an overseas batsman Down Under in the history of the game, and that as opener - why has this not been acclaimed on PP as much as Amla's performances in the tests in India? After all, does PP not consider India's bowling rubbish? Pietersen is not the player of 2005-2008 any longer, and Cook is an unexciting test specialist - maybe Amla is the more graceful and superior all-round player because of his success in various formats, but come on, Amla's test record is far from amazing! This is not going to be a popular post, but some grounding and perspective is advised at times!

an excellent post, a pretty good breakdown of Hashim's career.

PPers like Hashim for a variety of reasons, quite a few that have nothing to do with cricket, hence the overrating aspect.

but in terms of cricketing terms, I don't think one can doubt his quality as a batsman.

Test cricket, the guy has made massive strides, and all this before actually hitting his peak as a batsman...I believe the best is yet to come from Hashim.

in ODIs, it's pretty clear that he's not a natural despite his enviable record...he's given himself quite a boost against fairly pedestrian bowling attacks of the minnows, though he has shown what he's capable of in the format against us...he's a work in progress in that format.

[cricnut]

Well Amla is the fastest player to reach 2000 runs in the history of Odis , so this lad surely has some talent .

[cricfan4ever]

at OP

not surprised though after all he's the same guy who thinks Misbah is better than Imran Khan as a captain!

[salman24]

Misbah won a series again NZ. What has Imran Khan done?

[DeadlyVenom]

Originally Posted by gsivak Proof? Just because he plays well against India it doesn't mean he has disdain for it.

Was joking mate.

[tahir_dj]

he had jus broke a record of 2000 runs in only 40 inings and got an average of 54 so what eles do you want

[cric]

I don't know why ppl are taking Schickelgruber seriously. his threads are normally like bollywood funny movie, just for time pass. as for whippy concerns, whenever somebody say good thing about South africa team or its players, he always have to say something bad about them. maybe its because most of england players are from south africa, or england and africa both fighting for number 2 spot in ranking. he always says south africa over rated. africa is most consistence team in cricket history after Australia.

[Schickelgruber]

[khalil1986]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed I think MODs should start giving a award of the week for the most stupid threads being created!

Defo and it should be blatantly pointed out next to their name.

[Thatsgold]

Most useless thread ever seen on the intranet

[Thatsgold]

Also i demand this thread to be closed within 3 minutes

[mastermind_quad]

His avg against us is scary ....

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by *sallu* one stupid thread after another on pp today

This thread just brought back memories of the "Umar Gul is Awful" thread and pwning

[Schickelgruber]

Oh grow up you guys! You guys did the same when I said Misbah should be ODI captain YOU LAUGHED! Said he sucks at ODI yet look at his performance today. If you bash now it means nothing! The joke is on you for ALWAYS being wrong and this thread will prove you all wrong as well.

[AfghanCricketFan]

Originally Posted by salman24 Misbah won a series again NZ. What has Imran Khan done?

Win the World cup 1st and so far last time for Pakistan
if u post msgs like this u will recive 1 bad msg from Insaftak

[Rana]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber Oh grow up you guys! You guys did the same when I said Misbah should be ODI captain YOU LAUGHED! Said he sucks at ODI yet look at his performance today. If you bash now it means nothing! The joke is on you for ALWAYS being wrong and this thread will prove you all wrong as well.

Just leave it. Youve embarrased yourself already.

[Schickelgruber]

Originally Posted by Rana Just leave it. Youve embarrased yourself already.

Back again to post? don't you have something better to do? obviously not.

[Rana]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber Back again to post? don't you have something better to do? obviously not.

erm, this is a cricket forum where anyone can post.

You are doing the same thing right now. The only difference is you are posting garbage.

[Schickelgruber]

Originally Posted by Rana erm, this is a cricket forum where anyone can post. You are doing the same thing right now. The only difference is you are posting garbage.

And you are replying with garbage which is infuriating. Go away troll.

[cricnut]

Stop the personal insults and lets all support Misbah as our captain for the world cup . Anyone who still supports Afridi to lead the team in the world cup is under delusion

[Schickelgruber]

Originally Posted by cricnut Stop the personal insults and lets all support Misbah as our captain for the world cup . Anyone who still supports Afridi to lead the team in the world cup is under delusion

I agree but this is the wrong thread to do that in.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Schikelgruber please look at my post #105

Thanks

[umerz]

This thread will be bumped up when Amla will be having a bad time after 1-2 years

[Warfare]

Originally Posted by Dann Amla is class bro, so is usman Khawaja. Amla will be rated as an outstanding once his career is done, and players like him will make the test arena live long.

We haven't even seen much from Khawaja and your'e saying he's class?

Double standards at its best.

[Indiafan]

No, but we sure hoped he was though

[saeedhk]

he is a good player.

[Schickelgruber]

He is doing okay I guess. Only time will tell now.

[cricket47]

Originally Posted by Schickelgruber He is doing okay I guess. Only time will tell now.

care to define "okay" and "good" ... ?????

[Strike!]

OP is just embarassing.

[Dr_Bassim]

An average of 58.97 and he is over rated

Who is then better ? Mohammad Hafeez ? or some other Pakistani ?

Can he enter Pakistan team at the moment ?

Yes or No?
Infact , i think Amla cud be shipped to Pakistan team and be in our lineup anytime.

When you acknowledge that , then how can he be overrated ?

[cricket47]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim An average of 58.97 and he is over rated Who is then better ? Mohammad Hafeez ? or some other Pakistani ? Can he enter Pakistan team at the moment ? Yes or No? Infact , i think Amla cud be shipped to Pakistan team and be in our lineup anytime. When you acknowledge that , then how can he be overrated ?

Misbah is better.. according to OP

[Foozee]

currently batting on 86*

so overrated

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

The more i see this thread the more stupid it seems to me, and it was pretty stupid when i first saw it.

Btw Amla averages 56 with a strike rate of 93 in ODIs

And he averages 46 in Tests

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

@ChickenBurger you kinda look like a murdering, mad doctor in your avatar

[Desi_Joker]

Amla completely pwning the OP here.

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by cricket47 Misbah is better.. according to OP

LoL. Misbah is now firing on all cylinders after doing nothing but bullocks for 15 months or so ,

and suddenly according to OP , he is Vivian and Amla is useless.

[Thatsgold]

The guy that made this thread should not post anything for 2 months please k thx bye

[Jo_Don]

Lol very overrated - 2 50s and 1 100 in 5 matches.

[Atif]

What has the OP got to say about Amla's performance today ? is he still overrated ?

[Desi_Joker]

So much for being always right, eh?

[kkmix]

He really is overrated.