Saudi Clerics issue fatwa against self immolation....

[MIG]

In the commonsense world of Islam, suicide is a bad thing - we ALL know this - there is no shock in this news.

We are expected to accept all that Allah SWT has put in our lot and to struggle to improve the situation - in any case, we say Alhamdolillah and move on.

So why do you think that the Saudi Top Scholars of Islam need to issue a fatwa suicide, specifically in reference to self immolation (setting oneself on fire)?

Simple. The act of one such person in Tunisia sparked off a movement that pretty much toppled an autocratic government and sent shivers in the rest of the world - including the "citadel" of Islam.

It therefore follows, that the so called Scholars of Islam - people who know our religion inside out, are not really interested in Islam because if they were, they would have had a fatwa out to topple any govt that restricts the rights of a Muslim! But they wont do that because they are in the pockets of the controlling regimes. They are nothing but puppets of regimes placed to appease the masses with meaningless drivel about aspects of Islam that have no relevance to the lives of Muslims today!

Shame on these scholars and on those who continue to believe in these people. To me this is another example to show that so called Scholars of Islam are not needed - using a little commonsense and knowledge passed via generations, we can come to the same conclusions that they have.

[insaftak]

Saudi Regime using Mullahs to keep their public silent but that gov't will eventually fall too just like other corrupt self serving gov'ts around the world.

The Guy in Tunisia has started this new trend. People have already tried to burn themselves in Algeria and Egypt and is likely to continue in other parts of Arab world.

[MIG]

Forget the regime - what does it say about the state of scholars?

Personally speaking I dont approve of self immolation - our bodies are Allahs amanat and we cannot abuse them in this way but to ignore the cause of his action is also criminal

[insaftak]

Originally Posted by MIG Forget the regime - what does it say about the state of scholars? Personally speaking I dont approve of self immolation - our bodies are Allahs amanat and we cannot abuse them in this way but to ignore the cause of his action is also criminal

The State of Islamic Scholars have been disastrous for a long time and will probably continue to like this for many years to come.

I fully back the self immolation and the actions of the guy in Tunisia. What else is he suppose to do, pick up a gun and be labelled as terrorist or just die hungry. his action has woken up many in Tunisia and will probably ease the pain and suffering of many in that country.

If I was in that Situation I would adopt the Allama Iqbal's strategy.

Jis Kheit Se Dehkaan Ko Muyassar Nahi Rozi; Uss Khet Ke Har Khosha-e-Gandum Ko Jala Do!!

[Desire]

agree with you MIG. i give these molvies one credit. They keep the candle of islam burning in difficult of times. thats it. other than that we dont need to make them our masters. what i mean is, they should be encouraged to write books on islam and i have no problem in reading their books, they are very informative but their fatwas are just their personal opinions and we should not consider them a sacred thing. plus mullah also is not a sacred human being. he is just like us. infact an educated guy can be more knowledgeable than a mullah. what these mullahs do is they stop their followers from thinking because they themselves dont think because they are jahils and dont know anything about this world. they mislead us. what we need in muslim ummah is professionally educated people who have good knowledge in islam as well. we should be able to recite nikah of our brothers ourselves, should be able to offer namaz e janaza by ourselves, everything we have put on scholars, we should take it back. islam is for everybody, not only for mullas.

[FastBowler]

Is self immolation right or wrong? If its wrong what's the problem?

[hayat]

Originally Posted by MIG Forget the regime - what does it say about the state of scholars? Personally speaking I dont approve of self immolation - our bodies are Allahs amanat and we cannot abuse them in this way but to ignore the cause of his action is also criminal

i've not heard of that fatwa, do you have any link?

although i don't know what the man was thinking before he set himself alight, i do know this: haraam maut is haraam

how easily do muslims lose heart nowadays? why don't we seek inspiration from the past? Prophet [sallalahu 'alaihi wasallam] and Sahaba [radiAllahu 'anhum] endured years and years of torture and cruelty at the hands of the pagans of makkah, did any amongst them resort to self-immolation?

sad, absolutely sad the current state of muslim affairs

[MIG]

Looks like its already happening

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/world-news...ation-in-saudi

RIYADH, Jan 22, 2011 (AFP) - A man has died in a Saudi hospital, in the kingdom's first apparent case of self-immolation like the protest in Tunisia that sparked an uprising, a civil defence spokesman said on Saturday. Lieutenant Yahya al-Qahtani, a spokesman in the Jizan area bordering Yemen, said the 65-year-old had died in Samtah but declined to confirm the man's identity or whether he had set himself ablaze in an act of protest. But Sabq.org, a Saudi news website, said a man in his sixties had died on Friday in Samtah hospital, a day after after setting himself on fire at his home. The man may have been protesting against obstacles to obtaining nationality in oil-rich Saudi Arabia, it said, noting many people of the southern border area hold the nationality of Yemen, one of the Arab world's poorest countries. Mohamed Bouazizi's self-immolation in Tunisia on December 17 sparked an uprising that led to Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali fleeing to Saudi Arabia after 23 years in power. The popular uprising, the first of its kind in the Arab world, has emboldened Arab dissidents and raised fears among the region's governments that their rule could also be at risk. Citizens of other Arab countries, including a reported seven in Algeria and five in Egypt, have attempted self-immolation, copying Bouazizi. Saudi Arabia's top Muslim authority, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah al-Sheikh, has branded the act of setting oneself on fire a “great sin” against Islam, Al-Hayat newspaper reported on Friday.

Also see

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsD...storyid=296713

[FastBowler]

I don't know about Tunisia but in Saudi Arabia there's not really such oppression, there is some political suppression, but that's no problem.

[ganeshran]

Does this fatwa also include suicide bombing as well? Because that is also a form of harming one's own body.

[Maula Jutt]

Very good OP.

[hayat]

Originally Posted by MIG Looks like its already happening http://www.sundaytimes.lk/world-news...ation-in-saudi Also see http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsD...storyid=296713

thank you

and now ignorant muslims [will] emulate the ways of that tunisian man and follow that which is not from Islam, can't say i disagree with the shaikh here

[Maula Jutt]

I don't see the need for this fatwa as suicide is already haram in Islam. It's common knowledge. So those who still choose to commit it by self immolation or whatever other method will continue to do so regardless of the fatwa.

[hayat]

there's no harm in educating muslims about what's prohibited and what's not

what you know the other muslim may not hence, the need

[Down2Earth]

saudi arabia is one of the worst countries to live in. I hated it when I was there and that was only for 2 weeks. Women's rights are almost non-existent

[FastBowler]

Of course, what MIG fails to see is that maybe for the Tunisian guy it wasn't obvious like it is for MIG. And there would be more people like him. So what's wrong with this action?

[FastBowler]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth saudi arabia is one of the worst countries to live in. I hated it when I was there and that was only for 2 weeks. Women's rights are almost non-existent

It was bad for you, not for others.

[Zechariah]

How about issue a fatwa against the royal family for looting billions (trillion easily) of oil wealth?

However, there is no need to give fatwas for such matters (even though he is correct) You can kill yourself in Islam. We don't need fatwas. It's a direct commandment from Allah.

[usmiunique]

Originally Posted by Zechariah How about issue a fatwa against the royal family for looting billions (trillion easily) of oil wealth? However, there is no need to give fatwas for such matters (even though he is correct) You can kill yourself in Islam. We don't need fatwas. It's a direct commandment from Allah.

you can't kill yourself in islam.

[Liberty]

MIG, It's a cozy alliance, this age-old partnership between religious leaders and the state rulers, the mullahs inform its deluded public that the king rule is just and therefore must be obeyed without rebellion; in return, the king funnels numerous tax revenues or other perks into the coffers of the mullah's.

It happened in medieval Europe. It happens in Modern day Middle East.

[Sherazkhalid]

Well for all who are saying that Mullahs are in pockets of ruling family, well this is nothing new, if anyone of you read anything about the lives of the four Imams, you would know that these things are rampant since then, but Allah is great, we only know those people today who were on the right path (like the four Imams) and none of those names are knows to anyone who bent deen in front of the rulers except for what they were really for.

[Maula Jutt]

Originally Posted by hayat there's no harm in educating muslims about what's prohibited and what's not what you know the other muslim may not hence, the need

Then OP says the fatwa is against self immolation. Islam does not just prohibit suicide by self immolation. It prohibits suicide, period. If the fatwa was to be educational, it should have been against suicide. This self immolation bit seems to be targetted at the symbol of revolt in Tunisia.

[Down2Earth]

Originally Posted by FastBowler It was bad for you, not for others.

which is why i said "I"

[Desire]

Originally Posted by Liberty MIG, It's a cozy alliance, this age-old partnership between religious leaders and the state rulers, the mullahs inform its deluded public that the king rule is just and therefore must be obeyed without rebellion; in return, the king funnels numerous tax revenues or other perks into the coffers of the mullah's. It happened in medieval Europe. It happens in Modern day Middle East.

even europe also faced fundamentalist movements like we have today in saudi land. it is carbon copy.

[Strike!]

Lol there wont be a revolution in Saudia, Most Saudi's have nothing to be angry about. What are they gonna be angry about? High gas prices? Only democratic countries are in real danger.

[ShehryarK]

Originally Posted by Maula Jutt If the fatwa was to be educational, it should have been against suicide..

There have been countless fatwas against suicide in general and against suicide bombings and terrorism in specific over the past 18 years by these scholars - and quite right too, as that issue has been 'topical' all this while.

I think just one specific fatwa on self-immolation is also quite useful given this matter is topical now.

[Tapori]

How about issue a fatwa against the royal family for looting billions (trillion easily) of oil wealth?

Yeah, and against Monarchy as the system to rule the centre of Islamic Faith; Irony times 10.

[MIG]

Burning oneself is a painful death - someone undergoing such pain must feel the desperation that none of us can feel. I would expect the Sheikhs of Saudi to extend a helping hand to many more who could be contemplating such an end. Simply calling it haram and making a desperate man feel worse is the easy way out.

Ofcourse the next logical thing would be ask people what bothers them. The devil as they say, is in the detail.

[Free Hit]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth saudi arabia is one of the worst countries to live in. I hated it when I was there and that was only for 2 weeks. Women's rights are almost non-existent

Madinay ki hawav main tau ghussa kuch kam hogaya hoga?

Ki Muhammad say wafa tau hum teray hai'n
ye jahan cheez he kiya lauho kalam teray hai'n

[DeadlyVenom]

good first post