Misbah as Captain is as defensive as M Yousuf

[Shakil_pkcricket]

In ODIs specially as captain Misbah will be as defensive as M Yousuf was on Aussie tour, he only managed series win against NZ as batting lineup was cleaned of midiore batsman like salman but, Malik, farhat etc. and strengthen by return of YK, Shafiq.

In WC 11 Misbah's captaincy if appointed will be desastrous,

Afridi is atleast aggressive captain.

[Desi_Joker]

One massive diff...

Misbah led from the front.

[Bullet Drive]

Are you completely 100% sure? Misbah is leading by example and I believe is the right man to captain us to our 2nd WC victory.

I hope he becomes captain and prove all you Misbah haters wrong!

[zimran72]

Please. Save it.

All Pakistani captains are fairly defensive but Yousuf offers the match on a silver platter to his opponents. How he was unable to win the NZ series with a bowling line up of Amir, Asif, and Gul is beyond me.

As for our batting since last year, the only noticeable upgrade has been Younis Khan.

[Stewie]

Captaincy in tests and Odis and those in subcontinent are entirely different things.
Most captains are going to play defensively.

It's a ridiculous comparison really..

[Shakil_pkcricket]

Originally Posted by zimran72 Please. Save it. All Pakistani captains are fairly defensive but Yousuf offers the match on a silver platter to his opponents. How he was unable to win the NZ series with a bowling line up of Amir, Asif, and Gul is beyond me. As for our batting since last year, the only noticeable upgrade has been Younis Khan.

Yousuf had kami as wicket keeper and brigade of match fixers

[Shakil_pkcricket]

Pakistan could have easily won the SA series 1-0 and NZ series 2-0 but for Misbah's captaincy result is for every one to see.

Atleast Afridi in ODI series in England and vs SA showed fighting spirit

[zimran72]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket Yousuf had kami as wicket keeper and brigade of match fixers

I don't think they were fixing matches back then. Yes the fielding was an issue. The biggest problem was that Yousuf wasn't selecting the team on merit because he dropped Fawad Alam and chose to play with Farhat, Malik, Butt. That again was his own fault because at least Misbah selects the team on merit.

[AZ]

OP is basing this deduction on.....?

[zimran72]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket Pakistan could have easily won the SA series 1-0 and NZ series 2-0 but for Misbah's captaincy result is for every one to see. Atleast Afridi in ODI series in England and vs SA showed fighting spirit

Not really Afridi. Fawad, Razzaq, and the lower oder showed fighting spirit.

While Gul, Hafeez, and Kamran performed well in England.

[Shakil_pkcricket]

Originally Posted by zimran72 Not really Afridi. Fawad, Razzaq, and the lower oder showed fighting spirit. While Gul, Hafeez, and Kamran performed well in England.

The gem of a question is why the same team is not performing, is it not player power, all of sudden the heroes of ODI team are falling like nine-pins. Surely a divide among players is visible.

[TigerJat]

Yousuf was not a good captain, he is probably not captain material.

Afridi is still learning. He has to more consistent with the bat.

Misbah might be better, but if PCB wanted to do this, then they should've made the decision before the SA series, and let him be captain for a few games. Now is not the right time.

Yes, Misbah is in good form and playing well.

[Shakil_pkcricket]

Originally Posted by haroon_ahmed103 Are you completely 100% sure? Misbah is leading by example and I believe is the right man to captain us to our 2nd WC victory. I hope he becomes captain and prove all you Misbah haters wrong!

Brother I have nothing against Misbah, Afridi has been groomed since 1 year for this coveted position of leading in the world cup, now all of sudden Afridi is in bad books of PCB. this is not international cricket is run now a days, look at other team they are discussing strategies to win and he have no one to think strategically at the moment ( the captain ).

The last chance for PCB to name Misbah captain was to name him captain for the ODI series.

[zimran72]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket The gem of a question is why the same team is not performing, is it not player power, all of sudden the heroes of ODI team are falling like nine-pins. Surely a divide among players is visible.

It's been one match. I'd like to remind you we were hardly world beaters 2 months back. We had two close series that we lost but we were at all points under-dogs in them. Secondly Pakistani batsmen always drop like nine-pins on bowling tracks and finally why isn't Afridi the captain himself not performing?

[Shakil_pkcricket]

Misbah do play slow in ODIs, we will certainly witness this in the upcoming matches, in the first ODI this weakness was overshadowed by batting order collapse, but in normal circumstances even YK plays faster than misbah. Misbah is in good form no doubt but bats too slow.

[zimran72]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket Brother I have nothing against Misbah, Afridi has been groomed since 1 year for this coveted position of leading in the world cup, now all of sudden Afridi is in bad books of PCB. this is not international cricket is run now a days, look at other team they are discussing strategies to win and he have no one to think strategically at the moment ( the captain ). The last chance for PCB to name Misbah captain was to name him captain for the ODI series.

Well our board gave up world cup planning when they refused to back Younis Khan and team divided with aspiring captains. So you shouldn't really be surprised that we still don't know who the captain will be.

[Shakil_pkcricket]

PCB is simply distroying any chances Pakistan had in WC

[Shakil_pkcricket]

God forbid Pakistan performs badly, then Misbah if captain will say he had been hastily appointed captain and had no time for planning

[Desi_Joker]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket PCB is simply distroying any chances Pakistan had in WC

Main manna langa

[miandadrules]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket In ODIs specially as captain Misbah will be as defensive as M Yousuf was on Aussie tour, he only managed series win against NZ as batting lineup was cleaned of midiore batsman like salman but, Malik, farhat etc. and strengthen by return of YK, Shafiq. In WC 11 Misbah's captaincy if appointed will be desastrous, Afridi is atleast aggressive captain.

No he isn't!

Even his most ardent fans will say that he has been disappointingly defensive.

[Down2Earth]

lol what a joke, it's afridi that's as defensive as moyo.

[Indiafan]

Misbah as a captain is more agressive than Afridi. Even the most ardent Afridi fan wont call his captaincy agressive

[Inswinger]

What aggressive tactics has Shahid Afridi applied during his time as captain? He's as defensive as they come. Only aggressive aspect of Afridi is his batting. His captaincy leaves a lot to be desired.

[strongman123]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket In ODIs specially as captain Misbah will be as defensive as M Yousuf was on Aussie tour, he only managed series win against NZ as batting lineup was cleaned of midiore batsman like salman but, Malik, farhat etc. and strengthen by return of YK, Shafiq. In WC 11 Misbah's captaincy if appointed will be desastrous, Afridi is atleast aggressive captain.

I think you are judging Misbah before giving him a chance, just like many did when he got the test captaincy.

[Rana]

Whats this desire for a 'aggressive captain'? can anyone explain what they want????

Afridi has 7 victories as captain and 14 losses! WTH man, is he captaining zimbabwe?

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by zimran72 I don't think they were fixing matches back then. Yes the fielding was an issue. The biggest problem was that Yousuf wasn't selecting the team on merit because he dropped Fawad Alam and chose to play with Farhat, Malik, Butt. That again was his own fault because at least Misbah selects the team on merit.

That is not true. If you know anything about selection, you would know that back then, the on tour selection committee consisted of 4 votes, the captain, the VC (akmal), the coach (Waqar) and the manager (Yawar), so please don't talk about about it from your backside. Yousef was the minority vote on selection matters.

Secondly, fielding was pathetic, in one NZ inning, we dropped 7 catches. Yes, 7 catches! And this continued through every test match including Akmal specials. The batting was a joke, with Faisal Iqbal at #3 and a useless Misbah in the line up.

Yousef was not the best captain, but it is disinguous to shift all the blame on him. He accepted captaincy when no one else was there for the task and did the best he could with the bits and pieces team he was given.

[AZ]

agree with D2D, I thought Yousuf was not such a bad captain, we were in potentially series-winning situations in both series down under.

Sydney 3rd innings however was a massive error though.

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by Inswinger What aggressive tactics has Shahid Afridi applied during his time as captain? He's as defensive as they come. Only aggressive aspect of Afridi is his batting. His captaincy leaves a lot to be desired.

well said.

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket In ODIs specially as captain Misbah will be as defensive as M Yousuf was on Aussie tour, he only managed series win against NZ as batting lineup was cleaned of midiore batsman like salman but, Malik, farhat etc. and strengthen by return of YK, Shafiq. In WC 11 Misbah's captaincy if appointed will be desastrous, Afridi is atleast aggressive captain.

you must be joking. He is the most defensive but clueless captain I have ever seen.

[w8in_4_0402]

just like Red Bull, the captaincy gives Misbah wings. If he becomes captain he will defo not disappoint as a player but i don't know if all players will give him the respect and commitment needed to succeed at the WC.

Misbah is junior in terms of caps for the country. The likes of Akhter, YK, Razzaq, Gul, Afridi aren't easy to be handled by the captain. imo i'm not an insider but from what I think is that the players named above have extreme difficult ego's and it won't be easy for Misbah to handle them. Its not easy to keep them all smiling. So disharmony in the camp can become a Aussie type disaster for us.

Afridi has done a good job in terms of keeping the trouble makers happy thats why he has managed to stay PAK captain for this long tbh without any former players making remarks apart from Sallu Mian and MM who co-incidentally said the same thing at the same time about Afridi.

We sometimes forget that he has been a assest to PAK for more than 15 years. He was mishandled all his career. He didn't manage to fulfill his potential due to own mistakes and great prep from PCB to destroy another Stars career. Looking back on how he has done overall as captain i think it wasn't bad at all tbh.

T20 WC we reached semis and we all know why not the final.

Asia Cup he as a player showed how dangerous he is as a FTB. with best team available we lost to better teams than us in India and Sri Lanka.

He quit Test which is only thing he probz did wrong but it was blessing in disguise really.

Won T20 Series against Aussies Not bad although T20 is always a 50/50 game.

We fought till the 5th ODI againts England and Saffers but lost in the last game in an tremendously well fought series just losing 3-2.

Lost T20 series against Saffer and NZ but plenty people here say T20 is boring and useless cricket. Do those defeats really matter?

Now i think under Afridi's regime this Last ODI was the worst match under his leadership but how would you want him to deliver when his on the firing line. Special mention goes to Dhoni, Clarke, Ponting who haven't performed as we expected from them as captains. So Afridi isn't alone. Hope people have a better view of Lala as a captain now.

[shehzi]

AFRIDI SHUD BE CAPTAIN .... PERIOD ......

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the only positive thing which will come out of misbah captaincy is his own performance will rise BUT misbah shudnt be captain...

[miandadrules]

Originally Posted by w8in_4_0402 just like Red Bull, the captaincy gives Misbah wings. If he becomes captain he will defo not disappoint as a player but i don't know if all players will give him the respect and commitment needed to succeed at the WC. Misbah is junior in terms of caps for the country. The likes of Akhter, YK, Razzaq, Gul, Afridi aren't easy to be handled by the captain. imo i'm not an insider but from what I think is that the players named above have extreme difficult ego's and it won't be easy for Misbah to handle them. Its not easy to keep them all smiling. So disharmony in the camp can become a Aussie type disaster for us. Afridi has done a good job in terms of keeping the trouble makers happy thats why he has managed to stay PAK captain for this long tbh without any former players making remarks apart from Sallu Mian and MM who co-incidentally said the same thing at the same time about Afridi. We sometimes forget that he has been a assest to PAK for more than 15 years. He was mishandled all his career. He didn't manage to fulfill his potential due to own mistakes and great prep from PCB to destroy another Stars career. Looking back on how he has done overall as captain i think it wasn't bad at all tbh. T20 WC we reached semis and we all know why not the final. Asia Cup he as a player showed how dangerous he is as a FTB. with best team available we lost to better teams than us in India and Sri Lanka. He quit Test which is only thing he probz did wrong but it was blessing in disguise really. Won T20 Series against Aussies Not bad although T20 is always a 50/50 game. We fought till the 5th ODI againts England and Saffers but lost in the last game in an tremendously well fought series just losing 3-2. Lost T20 series against Saffer and NZ but plenty people here say T20 is boring and useless cricket. Do those defeats really matter? Now i think under Afridi's regime this Last ODI was the worst match under his leadership but how would you want him to deliver when his on the firing line. Special mention goes to Dhoni, Clarke, Ponting who haven't performed as we expected from them as captains. So Afridi isn't alone. Hope people have a better view of Lala as a captain now.

1. We only won 2 matches (one against Bangladesh) and lost 4 in the T20 world cup.

2. Only managed to beat Bangladesh in the Asia cup.

3. Quit Test captaincy after getting hammered by Australia. In a game he showed no bottle and played erratically.

4. Only reason we ran England and South Africa close were due to exceptional personal performances i.e. Razzack.

5. We have gone from the dominant T20 side in the world to one that is beaten by New Zealand.

6. We were humiliated in the last ODI by a team white washed by Bangladesh - this though is forgivable as we had the worst of the conditions. It was a bad day the office.

My point is that we would have achieved these results under any captain.

[zimran72]

Originally Posted by Dare2Dream That is not true. If you know anything about selection, you would know that back then, the on tour selection committee consisted of 4 votes, the captain, the VC (akmal), the coach (Waqar) and the manager (Yawar), so please don't talk about about it from your backside. Yousef was the minority vote on selection matters. Secondly, fielding was pathetic, in one NZ inning, we dropped 7 catches. Yes, 7 catches! And this continued through every test match including Akmal specials. The batting was a joke, with Faisal Iqbal at #3 and a useless Misbah in the line up. Yousef was not the best captain, but it is disinguous to shift all the blame on him. He accepted captaincy when no one else was there for the task and did the best he could with the bits and pieces team he was given.

First of all I'm fairly certain the VC had no say team selection because he was eventually dropped. Secondly Inti was coach back then. Thirdly Yousuf was part of the team selection committee so he is to at least partly to blame. Yousuf criticized Fawad Alam in the media and then dropped him for Malik who dropped 3 catches. Yousuf dropped Manzoor for Farhat who dropped 4 catches.

At least when Faisal Iqbal was selected he was holding onto catches. Misbah made a fighting 50 in a test in Australia so it wasn't all bad.

Yousuf in his hotel room vowed to oust his captain Younis Khan as he sought himself as an aspiring captain. Yousuf had long been craving captaincy and that is a known fact.

His team was hardly bits and pieces. Give Misbah Asif and Amir and he would have whitewashed this NZ side. Yousuf couldn't even take care of his own batting as captain let alone take care of the whole team.

Yousuf's biggest fault was that his bowlers would get him into match-winning situations only for him to throw it away by going on the defensive.

He was a sh!t captain and that is a fact. Go take your petty arguments else where because anyone with even a pea-sized brain will tell you Yousuf was as bad a captain as they come.

[*sallu*]

Misbah had up to 5 guys around the bat for Abdur Rehman in the test series.

Yousuf didn't have 5 men in a 40 yard vicinity of the batsman in Australia

[miandadrules]

Originally Posted by Inswinger What aggressive tactics has Shahid Afridi applied during his time as captain? He's as defensive as they come. Only aggressive aspect of Afridi is his batting. His captaincy leaves a lot to be desired.

He bit the ball, which was quite aggressive.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket In ODIs specially as captain Misbah will be as defensive as M Yousuf was on Aussie tour, he only managed series win against NZ as batting lineup was cleaned of midiore batsman like salman but, Malik, farhat etc. and strengthen by return of YK, Shafiq. In WC 11 Misbah's captaincy if appointed will be desastrous, Afridi is atleast aggressive captain.

Afridi aggresive captain makes him better? ok

If thats the case why we still a pants team in ODIs? Shouldnt the great warrior have made us into world beaters?

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket Pakistan could have easily won the SA series 1-0 and NZ series 2-0 but for Misbah's captaincy result is for every one to see. Atleast Afridi in ODI series in England and vs SA showed fighting spirit

Easily beat S.A

I guess you must not have watched any of either series.

Pakistans fighting spirit in ODIs? Didnt we lose both?

What exact great captaincy did Afridi show in losing?

Seriously some pakistans fans really are delusion and stupid to say the least!

[Hando]

Originally Posted by AZ agree with D2D, I thought Yousuf was not such a bad captain, we were in potentially series-winning situations in both series down under. Sydney 3rd innings however was a massive error though.

I agree, for all we know, Butt and Asif may have suggested and pushed the idea of spreading the field

[Desire]

thread is a fail. misbah hasnt been captain yet. afridi ran away and misbah won in NZ and drew against SA. this alone suggests he is better than afridi. performance and results speak for themselves.

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Hando I agree, for all we know, Butt and Asif may have suggested and pushed the idea of spreading the field

not sure about that, I think Yousuf lost the plot a bit near the end, what with all of Kami's idiotic dropped catches.

[Atif]

Originally Posted by Hando I agree, for all we know, Butt and Asif may have suggested and pushed the idea of spreading the field

I very much doubt Moyo would have listened to Butt or Asif, anway dont think Butt and Moyo get along..

[Amjid Javed]

Id love to now how some of the numptys proclaiming Misbah is being defensive would actually come out clarify exactly how he was based on facts? rather then delusion thoughts!

[90MPH]

Afridi has been a disappointment as captain - especially when he gives away too many singles down the ground once the powerplay overs are finished. At times he just seems to be going through the motions with no Plan B if something is not working.
The only aggression I see from Afridi is from his mouth.

[Sherazkhalid]

May be we need someone else apart from these two, only of YK would become captain. If Misbah is captain then he will have 6 more 50s in WC matches at a strike rate of less than 50, whether that helps us winning is a different question. I think he don't deserve to be in ODI let alone captain, but the problem is that with difficult pitches in NZ and making 50 of 80 plus balls he be made the captain and in WC it will show what a disastrous decision would be that. And again with afridi we will know what will happen as it will show in NZ.

[w8in_4_0402]

i think who ever said misbah is defensive captain.

he actually meant his batting approach.

i couldn't find that post so just assuming atm.

[taxzu]

Originally Posted by miandadrules 1. We only won 2 matches (one against Bangladesh) and lost 4 in the T20 world cup. 2. Only managed to beat Bangladesh in the Asia cup. 3. Quit Test captaincy after getting hammered by Australia. In a game he showed no bottle and played erratically. 4. Only reason we ran England and South Africa close were due to exceptional personal performances i.e. Razzack. 5. We have gone from the dominant T20 side in the world to one that is beaten by New Zealand. 6. We were humiliated in the last ODI by a team white washed by Bangladesh - this though is forgivable as we had the worst of the conditions. It was a bad day the office. My point is that we would have achieved these results under any captain.

I get you fully but just question about point 4. Why is that when we win everybody says we won because of razzaq or gul but when we lose everybody says its because afridi didnt perform.

[taxzu]

Misbah is one of the most selfish player in the team. He plays only for himself. If before 2nd odi pcb announces afridi as captain for wc than he wont perform for whole series.
He is not even Odi material. If you go through all his innings in which he scored more than 30 runs you will find one pattern. He will score 10 out of 30, 35 balls or 20 of 45 balls and he will only take risk when he sees he has made enough runs to warrant his place in the team for next match than he will start hitting and will try to improve strike rate. And If he is lucky he will score fifty otherwise he will always get out in 30s or 40s.

[miandadrules]

Originally Posted by taxzu I get you fully but just question about point 4. Why is that when we win everybody says we won because of razzaq or gul but when we lose everybody says its because afridi didnt perform.

Well in England Gul took 10 for 64 in the two matches we won. How often does a player achieve this in their career?

Razzack scored 109 off 72. That is an amazing stat on its own but it doesn't reflect the hopeless of the situation in which he performed. When was the last time a Pakistani played an innings like that?

These performances cannot be attributed to Afridi's captaincy.

There is a difference between good, even exceptional performances and phenomenal ones.

In this context you can give Afridi credit for winning the 4th ODI against South Africa. There were good performances here but was more of a team effort.

This maybe a poor Pakistan side but it is not devoid of match winners and quality. Even without leadership this team would win 40% of its matches based on talent.

Where Misbah is being given credit, is for his bowling changes, field placing and strategising. He is able to derive a collective effort from the team. Though it is way too early to be judging his captaincy.

Regardless of results, Afridi's captaincy lacks any proactive thought, and no long-term planning or strategy.

There is a lot of talk of the absurdity of changing the captain three weeks before the world cup. My question is after 6 months in charge, with three weeks left why Afridi has no defined strategy? The players still don't have defined roles? We don't even have a settled eleven, even though 9 guys are an automatic pick. In fact Afridi himself doesn't know where he is going to bat.

We need Afridi as bowler and lower order batsman in the world cup. But his captaincy has to be seen for what it is, regardless of any affections people may have for him.

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by zimran72 First of all I'm fairly certain the VC had no say team selection because he was eventually dropped. Secondly Inti was coach back then. Thirdly Yousuf was part of the team selection committee so he is to at least partly to blame. Yousuf criticized Fawad Alam in the media and then dropped him for Malik who dropped 3 catches. Yousuf dropped Manzoor for Farhat who dropped 4 catches. At least when Faisal Iqbal was selected he was holding onto catches. Misbah made a fighting 50 in a test in Australia so it wasn't all bad. Yousuf in his hotel room vowed to oust his captain Younis Khan as he sought himself as an aspiring captain. Yousuf had long been craving captaincy and that is a known fact. His team was hardly bits and pieces. Give Misbah Asif and Amir and he would have whitewashed this NZ side. Yousuf couldn't even take care of his own batting as captain let alone take care of the whole team. Yousuf's biggest fault was that his bowlers would get him into match-winning situations only for him to throw it away by going on the defensive. He was a sh!t captain and that is a fact. Go take your petty arguments else where because anyone with even a pea-sized brain will tell you Yousuf was as bad a captain as they come.

The only correct thing you said was that Inti was coach (Waqar was bowling coach) but then you again went on blaming Yousef for selection. And lol at Kami dropping himself. You must have missed that one. Again, repeating it again and again changes nothing, Yousef was 1 of 4 votes, one would have to be an imbecile to blame him for on tour selection.

No point arguing the rest with you as you are having a hard time even grasping the reality of facts, let alone be objective in judging anything else.

[zimran72]

Originally Posted by Dare2Dream The only correct thing you said was that Inti was coach (Waqar was bowling coach) but then you again went on blaming Yousef for selection. And lol at Kami dropping himself. You must have missed that one. Again, repeating it again and again changes nothing, Yousef was 1 of 4 votes, one would have to be an imbecile to blame him for on tour selection. No point arguing the rest with you as you are having a hard time even grasping the reality of facts, let alone be objective in judging anything else.

Okay keep dreaming.

As for your second paragraph - always a handy response when you've got nothing to say. I'm happy though. There's no Yousuf to play like crap or disrupt the team unity for the world cup. Aren't you?

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shakil_pkcricket In ODIs specially as captain Misbah will be as defensive as M Yousuf was on Aussie tour, he only managed series win against NZ as batting lineup was cleaned of midiore batsman like salman but, Malik, farhat etc. and strengthen by return of YK, Shafiq. In WC 11 Misbah's captaincy if appointed will be desastrous, Afridi is atleast aggressive captain.

What else can he do when most of team is average...

[kkmix]

I think all Pakistani captains are very defensive, yes even Afridi. He never attacks the new batsman and lets get him settle by giving singles. And I think Misbah will be even worse captain, he will be like yousuf. Only younis was little bit attacking.

[Kray_jackson7]

I cant believe people want misbah as captain, if this captain issue wasnt raised he wouldnt even be wanted in the team but a test match win Vs new zealand and suddenly he is a genius

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 I cant believe people want misbah as captain, if this captain issue wasnt raised he wouldnt even be wanted in the team but a test match win Vs new zealand and suddenly he is a genius

Figures doesnt it ?

Misbah led his team to test victory against the weakest opposition eva and he is being hailed as the next captain.

Come the next tour of Aus or any of the major big league nations,

Misbah will be the most hated captain on PakPassion.


Knee-Jerk reaction of accolading him for winning a test against the team that has been on a losing streak since God knows when.

[miandadrules]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim Figures doesnt it ? Misbah led his team to test victory against the weakest opposition eva and he is being hailed as the next captain. Come the next tour of Aus or any of the major big league nations, Misbah will be the most hated captain on PakPassion. Knee-Jerk reaction of accolading him for winning a test against the team that has been on a losing streak since God knows when.

Who hammered a Afridi led side.

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by miandadrules Who hammered a Afridi led side.

In t20's and Odi's ?

What else do you expect ? We are not half a team in ODI.

Even Salman Butt led Pakistan to one off victory vs Australia.

Our test team is much better right now then LOI's.


I am all for making Misbah captain, just like i wanted Afridi to captain before to show how much he sucks.


But i dont think its fair on Misbah to be made captain 2 weeks b4 World Cup and deliver home the trophy.

Fans like you will then make excuses of his failure to bring home the trophy , by complaining of lack of time.


And Afridi fans , will say if it was Afridi we would have won the World Cup.


In my opinion , its not the captain who is winning us matches at the moment.

Captains for the most part have been the most defensive minded i have eva seen for a long time.

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by miandadrules Who hammered a Afridi led side.

Same team whose 11 game losing streak ended with this win

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim In t20's and Odi's ? What else do you expect ? We are not half a team in ODI. Even Salman Butt led Pakistan to one off victory vs Australia. Our test team is much better right now then LOI's. I am all for making Misbah captain, just like i wanted Afridi to captain before to show how much he sucks. But i dont think its fair on Misbah to be made captain 2 weeks b4 World Cup and deliver home the trophy. Fans like you will then use his failure to bring home the trophy , by complaining of lack of time. And Afridi fans , will say if it was Afridi we would have won the World Cup. In my opinion , its not the captain who is winning us matches at the moment. Captains for the most part have been the most defensive minded i have eva seen for a long time.

Salam Bhai, how are you? I agree with the bold part. poor team become average, good team become better under a good leadership. Misbah is not my choice either as captain. however if I have to chose between Afridi and Misbah, I will pick misbah any time of the day. I think Afridi is a much bettter player without the responsibility. Captain Afridi has hijacked the talented Afridi the player and we want him back for the world cup.

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by insaaniyat Salam Bhai, how are you? I agree with the bold part. poor team become average, good team become better under a good leadership. Misbah is not my choice either as captain. however if I have to chose between Afridi and Misbah, I will pick misbah any time of the day. I think Afridi is a much bettter player without the responsibility. Captain Afridi has hijacked the talented Afridi the player and we want him back for the world cup.

Walaikum us Salam.

Insaaniyat bhai , i agree with you. But we have been nurturing Afridi , for one year , just for this mega event.

Now to dipose him of and start a new leadership on the eve of World Cup will give PCB excuses.

We dont Need any more Excuses for Afridi and PCB.

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by miandadrules Who hammered a Afridi led side.

In a completely different format of the game, Had misbah been captaining would we have won? when we went to 50-5 what would misbah have done so different?

[Shakil_pkcricket]

In Pakistan heroes becomes zeroes and zeroes becomes heroes after one bad perfroamnce or one brilliant performance. Players the stakeholders have understood this syndrome.

Had PCB not created this issue by not naming captain for the world cup all this player power, player politics, under performance, grouping would not have been discussed.

Seniors should instead guide Afridi and give him helping hand rather than dreaming of becoming captain. Misbah is certaining greedy for captaincy for WC 11 but he is not responsible for this, responsibility of current issue totally lies with PCB who has created this platform for players to do whatever they can do.

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

Originally Posted by AZ agree with D2D, I thought Yousuf was not such a bad captain, we were in potentially series-winning situations in both series down under. Sydney 3rd innings however was a massive error though.

I now know the reason for both the series lost, but am not sure whether i should reveal all.

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim Figures doesnt it ? Misbah led his team to test victory against the weakest opposition eva and he is being hailed as the next captain. Come the next tour of Aus or any of the major big league nations, Misbah will be the most hated captain on PakPassion. Knee-Jerk reaction of accolading him for winning a test against the team that has been on a losing streak since God knows when.

I'm not defending Afridi but Pakistan fans do ride the wind a lot. Does Misbah even fit in the ODI batting lineup, not forgetting his tuk tuk batting? If he does establish himself as a ODI batsman (and that is a big if) and he wins some Test macthes in difficult conditions against non-minnow teams, then he can be considered for ODI captaincy. Right now, this discussion is premature.

Has everyone forgotten the same Misbah used to be the VC 2 years ago. In fact, his form was so bad in ODIs (including times he scored some constipated runs) that everyone wanted him out, but he kept playing because of being VC (recall SL 2009). Let's not be too quick to repeat that one again.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Dare2Dream I'm not defending Afridi but Pakistan fans do ride the wind a lot. Does Misbah even fit in the ODI batting lineup, not forgetting his tuk tuk batting? If he does establish himself as a ODI batsman (and that is a big if) and he wins some Test macthes in difficult conditions against non-minnow teams, then he can be considered for ODI captaincy. Right now, this discussion is premature. Has everyone forgotten the same Misbah used to be the VC 2 years ago. In fact, his form was so bad in ODIs (including times he scored some constipated runs) that everyone wanted him out, but he kept playing because of being VC (recall SL 2009). Let's not be too quick to repeat that one again.

Non-minnow Test side? I think you will find Pakistan are pretty much on the same sort of level as West indies and New zealand when it comes to test cricket. They way we have played test matches in last 3/4 years we can be considered Minnows.

He manage to draw a series against a good S.A side and beat Kiwis away as well. So hes done a more than good job so far!

What other pakistan skipper in last 4 years has lead us to a series win? or a series win against a Non-minnow? So Misbahs expectations are greater then any other skippers in past are they?

What series did Malik, Butt, Afridi win as skippers? please enlighten me?

[IMMY69]

Firstly, one win and three draws in test matches is indeed a very good result, bearing in mind that for the last 24 months all we seem to be doing is losing test matches! Furthermore, test matches are not like ODI's where only a victory counts! A drawn series against the Saffies and a series victory in New Zealand should not be taken lightly!

Secondly, people need to stop making excuses. It doesnt matter if Afridi is captain and then we get knocked out of the tournament or if its Misbah who is captain and we still get knocked out. The choice of captain should not have anything to do with the subsequent blaming game that is often played out by our administrators, ex players/pundits and ofcourse the general public. The decision as to who should be made captain should be purely based on which individual is better equipped to captain the side and who has the strength of character to deliver onfield.

Finally, the building of a side generally follows a worldcup. You have 4 years to groom a new captain and to bring in fresh faces. So really whoever is going to be captain out of Afridi and Misbah is not going to do it longterm in anycase... If one has a brilliant tournament then they may remain captain for another year or so but its not going to last until the next worldcup. Age for one thing simply wont allow it!

One criteria which every country adopts, and one which our supporters also use as an argument, is that of consistency. This is why in a normal world even thinking about changing captains at this late stage would appear ludicrous. However we are nothing but inconsistent.
Remember, we had one captain against the aussies who resigned after one match only for the team to win the very next match under a completely new captain! So clearly inconsistency
and continuity is something we are well used too! Moreover look at the choice of the two captains, one is the test match captain and they players and mamagement know him well and the other is already occupying the position, so neither are going to cause to much inconsistency within the side.

So its going to be a short term fix and the decision is going to centre around who is the best person for the job.

Whose your choice?

[IMMY69]

Moyo's captaincy wasnt just defensive, it was so stupid that it bordered on being scandalous!

He just didnt know how to place his fields with various bowlers being deployed at the crucial point positions (atleast two drop catches there!), he kept the fielders on the boundaries when the tailenders were in and he stuck youngsters up at the crucial number three spot when he should have either taken the responsibility himself or placed a more senior player there! I know we've done that with Azhar Ali too, but atleast he has been number 3 for ten test matches on the trot, whereas under Moyo's captaincy we had Fawad, Umar Akmal, himself for one innings, Faisal iqbal all at number 3 in the course of 5 test matches!

[miandadrules]

Originally Posted by IMMY69 Firstly, one win and three draws in test matches is indeed a very good result, bearing in mind that for the last 24 months all we seem to be doing is losing test matches! Furthermore, test matches are not like ODI's where only a victory counts! A drawn series against the Saffies and a series victory in New Zealand should not be taken lightly! Secondly, people need to stop making excuses. It doesnt matter if Afridi is captain and then we get knocked out of the tournament or if its Misbah who is captain and we still get knocked out. The choice of captain should not have anything to do with the subsequent blaming game that is often played out by our administrators, ex players/pundits and ofcourse the general public. The decision as to who should be made captain should be purely based on which individual is better equipped to captain the side and who has the strength of character to deliver onfield. Finally, the building of a side generally follows a worldcup. You have 4 years to groom a new captain and to bring in fresh faces. So really whoever is going to be captain out of Afridi and Misbah is not going to do it longterm in anycase... If one has a brilliant tournament then they may remain captain for another year or so but its not going to last until the next worldcup. Age for one thing simply wont allow it! One criteria which every country adopts, and one which our supporters also use as an argument, is that of consistency. This is why in a normal world even thinking about changing captains at this late stage would appear ludicrous. However we are nothing but inconsistent. Remember, we had one captain against the aussies who resigned after one match only for the team to win the very next match under a completely new captain! So clearly inconsistency and continuity is something we are well used too! Moreover look at the choice of the two captains, one is the test match captain and they players and mamagement know him well and the other is already occupying the position, so neither are going to cause to much inconsistency within the side. So its going to be a short term fix and the decision is going to centre around who is the best person for the job. Whose your choice?

Agreed!

[qamar84]

Originally Posted by TigerJat Yousuf was not a good captain, he is probably not captain material. Afridi is still learning. He has to more consistent with the bat. Misbah might be better, but if PCB wanted to do this, then they should've made the decision before the SA series, and let him be captain for a few games. Now is not the right time. Yes, Misbah is in good form and playing well.

"Afridi is still learning. He has to more consistent with the bat" 30 years and still LEARNING

[ganeshran]

why not give any captain some more time to settle down. Misbah is very new to captaincy even in tests. He showed good potential in the NZ series.

[miandadrules]

Originally Posted by ganeshran why not give any captain some more time to settle down. Misbah is very new to captaincy even in tests. He showed good potential in the NZ series.

I'm all for giving a captain time. But giving time to someone who is not capable of it is futile.

What PCB needs to do is identify their best candidate and give them time.

At this moment the best candidate is Younis Khan.

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by miandadrules I'm all for giving a captain time. But giving time to someone who is not capable of it is futile.What PCB needs to do is identify their best candidate and give them time. At this moment the best candidate is Younis Khan.

exactly

[Dare2Dream]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Non-minnow Test side? I think you will find Pakistan are pretty much on the same sort of level as West indies and New zealand when it comes to test cricket. They way we have played test matches in last 3/4 years we can be considered Minnows. He manage to draw a series against a good S.A side and beat Kiwis away as well. So hes done a more than good job so far! What other pakistan skipper in last 4 years has lead us to a series win? or a series win against a Non-minnow? So Misbahs expectations are greater then any other skippers in past are they? What series did Malik, Butt, Afridi win as skippers? please enlighten me?

Winning one test against a NZ side that got whitewashed 4-0 by Bangladesh of all teams, and drawing with SA on the flattest of flat pitches where sometimes only a few wickets fell during the whole day are not earth shattering achievements, but none the less I see your point. From what we have seen until now, I agree, he has done a better job than the other skippers in the last 4 years.

Let's assume that we agree Misbah did well as a Test captain and can be expected to do decently as ODI captain. That still leaves the all important question of whether he can even show himself to be a decent ODI batsman, unlike the last time in 2009 when he was a huge burden on the batting lineup. Even when he used to score, the way he built his innings would constipate the whole scoring and put pressure on his batting partners.

[Kray_jackson7]

Is it fair to judge afridi against the others seeing as the squad afridi has is so much weaker and also the state that afridi became captain of the side was also one that we have not been in before yet we still ran close ODI series Vs enlgand and South Africa

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

this is a disaster choosing a captain just before the WC.*** happened to building a team for the worldcup?

[rajachoudhary50]

This is Ejaz Bhuuuuuuuuuuuuutta

[Amjid Javed]

Well done Mr defensive captain