Should Women be Allowed to Divorce

[Schiller]

As I understand it, in Islam man can do it with more ease than a woman who has to go thru court and all that jazz. Should women also be allowed the same freedom (when they get it, it becomes insanity) that men have?

you know what I wuld say so I wont say it :-D

[Geordie Ahmed]

Are you trying to create some controversy????

I like it :oD :oD :oD

Re the question, im not too sure. i think divorce is way too common nowadays. with women if its there they will use it (probably more cos of curiosity) so i reckon they should not have that option!
Men are far more sensible so we should make the decions.

[Annie]

do u know how conveniently people cross off whole sections on nikkah nammas depriving a woman of her right to divorce

and many people don't even know about it since it has for ages now been getting crossed off without any attention...

good thing is that with awareness it is being looked into and more people are looking to make sure that on the nikkah namma, that section is properly marked to allow the woman the right to divorce just as Islam intends it...

It is harder for women to get a divorce, but with time I think things are getting easier

it's a man's world and so this isn't surprising that they make it harder for women, but it isn't Islam to deny women of their right to divorce...

[Schiller]

:-D :oD

I agree with your sentiment and it goes deeper than that you see. women are not trustworthy to be given such responsibility

[Officer Barbrady]

:oD

[Geordie Ahmed]

:oD :oD :oD :oD

i await the fireworks :-D

[Schiller]

"do u know how conveniently people cross off whole sections on nikkah nammas depriving a woman of her right to divorce "

and a good thing too, but again before I say anything that might be deemed decent, what do you mean by right to divorce.

"good thing is that with awareness it is being looked into and more people are looking to make sure that on the nikkah namma, that section is properly marked to allow the woman the right to divorce just as Islam intends it... "


In Islam, i believe the woman has to get a 'khula' which i believe means gooing thru court to get it. says a lot about women really and one would be wise to listen to it.

how could you give these impuslive impetuous creatures the right to do anything drastic?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

divorce under what circumstances?

[Schiller]

you had to complicate issues

men really

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

complicate? who me - am just trying to get a more specific question lol rather than open ended where u could fall into trap - lol

[Schiller]

youll never make a good woman really. learn from amjid and annie a few things

[Officer Barbrady]

Schiller, women reminds me...look after Mona. She has been crying very often lately (if the crying emotion means you are actually crying?)

[Schiller]

women remind you of mona? surely thats love?? ;-D

the crying emotion is very much like their real life tear - simply meant to bewilder us. we always think, maybe she is crying, maybe she did get hurt, the truth though is that later they go onto their female freinds and say, what a delightful fool he is, again thought i was hurt. such a sensitive human really Christine

:-D

[Officer Barbrady]

:oD :oD

[Oxy]

Make divorce easy for woman- and then send them to me!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by oXy bhai Make divorce easy for woman- and then send them to me!

Sending them to you would make them return to their Husbands very quickly :-D :-D

[Schiller]

or make same gender preferring out of them altogehter ga :-D

[sajjad]

Women are not capable of making decision as important as marriage and divorce. theyr job is restricted to listening to thiers gaters and husbands and doing what theyr told. its best for them and dont we men know whats best for women. ofcourse we do!

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by sajjad Women are not capable of making decision as important as marriage and divorce. theyr job is restricted to listening to thiers gaters and husbands and doing what theyr told. its best for them and dont we men know whats best for women. ofcourse we do!

:oD

[catwoman]

What's the difference between a man divorcing and a woman divorcing in Islam? Don't they just go to court? |-K

I don't see anything wrong with divorces as long as there is a practical reason behind them.

[Schiller]

in Islam

the woman has to go to court to get it, the man I believe can pronounce it and be done with it

[Officer Barbrady]

No the woman has to go to court, the guy says talaak talaak talaak (three times) and I think its over?

At least that's what happens in Urdu plays.

[sajjad]

divorce is the doing of the devil. it shud not happen in society. those who do it, shud be punished.
what do u guys think is the punishment for divorce.

[Schiller]

i believe that is the islamic one, though dispute is there as to how many times the man has to say it. also I think in shias, its different a bit

Sufi, what do you say??

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Schiller women remind you of mona? surely thats love?? ;-D the crying emotion is very much like their real life tear - simply meant to bewilder us. we always think, maybe she is crying, maybe she did get hurt, the truth though is that later they go onto their female freinds and say, what a delightful fool he is, again thought i was hurt. such a sensitive human really Christine :-D

|-S |-S . You don't even believe me when I'm hurt |-S |-S

[Schiller]

Now heres a good example Marooned,

the first four crying smileys were for us

the last tongue one was for Christine ;-D

[sajjad]

OKAY, seriously speaking
actually in the true essence of islam

a man cannot say it 3 times and it be over
he does have to say it 3 times

but there is supposed to be gaps between the 3 times

6 months i believe between the first time and the second time and then the couple are seperated for 2 years and if they still feel they shud divorce they do so

[Schiller]

I think thats what the dispute is about

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Schiller in Islam the woman has to go to court to get it, the man I believe can pronounce it and be done with it

That's unfair though! :o^

Women should have equal rights when it comes to divorce atleast |-F

[sajjad]

its a man's world...!

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Schiller Now heres a good example Marooned, the first four crying smileys were for us the last tongue one was for Christine ;-D

Tongue? What tongue? |-S |-S |-S

[Schiller]

hell no and this is not my routine promising sexism speaking. I think this is the way it should be.

the last thing you want is woman having the rt to divorce the way a man does.

[sajjad]

yeah imagine these women

always uncertain, never know what theyr gonna do. if they had the right. itd be chaotic!

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Schiller hell no and this is not my routine promising sexism speaking. I think this is the way it should be. the last thing you want is woman having the rt to divorce the way a man does.

Both should have equal rights when it comes to divorce though. What if the husband just says it 3 divorce times out of anger? Will it be a divorce then? It's best to go to court for a divorce in my opinion.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Schiller Now heres a good example Marooned, the first four crying smileys were for us the last tongue one was for Christine ;-D

:oD :oD

On the divorce thingy, if the woman has the right (at the time of Nikaah) then she doesn't have to go to court?

[Oxy]

A neigbour of mine (Muslim-but messed up in the head) recently divorced his wife.

But he refused to leave the house-eventually he did.

Now he claims he didnt do it (he did), and wants to pretend nothing happened.

For them to get back together, both have to go through 'Halallah' which means they have to remarry, have full marriage life with their new spouses and then only after divocing them, can they remarry.

What a great system- the ultimate deterrant to divorce.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Mona Both should have equal rights when it comes to divorce though. What if the husband just says it 3 divorce times out of anger? Will it be a divorce then? It's best to go to court for a divorce in my opinion.

Ah that is exactly what happened in an Urdu Drama I was forced to watch long ago. She needed to remarry someone else before they could get back together from what I remember.

[sajjad]

Originally Posted by Mona Originally Posted by Schiller hell no and this is not my routine promising sexism speaking. I think this is the way it should be. the last thing you want is woman having the rt to divorce the way a man does. Both should have equal rights when it comes to divorce though. What if the husband just says it 3 divorce times out of anger? Will it be a divorce then? It's best to go to court for a divorce in my opinion.

he cannot say it out of anger, read my post above. theres supposed to be gaps between the times. if he is angry after 2.5 years of saying it...then i guess theres something wrong...aint it!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Mona Originally Posted by Schiller hell no and this is not my routine promising sexism speaking. I think this is the way it should be. the last thing you want is woman having the rt to divorce the way a man does. Both should have equal rights when it comes to divorce though. What if the husband just says it 3 divorce times out of anger? Will it be a divorce then? It's best to go to court for a divorce in my opinion.

BUT when they go to courts a male (judge) MUST be in charge :-D :-D

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Originally Posted by Mona Originally Posted by Schiller hell no and this is not my routine promising sexism speaking. I think this is the way it should be. the last thing you want is woman having the rt to divorce the way a man does. Both should have equal rights when it comes to divorce though. What if the husband just says it 3 divorce times out of anger? Will it be a divorce then? It's best to go to court for a divorce in my opinion. BUT when they go to courts a male (judge) MUST be in charge :-D :-D

Doesn't matter whether the judge is male or female as long as he accepts bribes :-p

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by oXy bhai A neigbour of mine (Muslim-but messed up in the head) recently divorced his wife. But he refused to leave the house-eventually he did. Now he claims he didnt do it (he did), and wants to pretend nothing happened.

:oD :oD

[catwoman]

If women don't have the same divorce rights, they can always walk out ;-p

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

women do get equal rights in Islam - ppl take the obvious stance - oh because they ahve to cover up - they arent given equal rights. Well how about looking at it from a different perspective - they aint judged on their looks but intellect - aint seen as possessions or like a piece of meat - i feel this is a huge equal right for women - judged on by differnt things which i feel is understated in today's society

[sajjad]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker women do get equal rights in Islam - ppl take the obvious stance - oh because they ahve to cover up - they arent given equal rights. Well how about looking at it from a different perspective - they aint judged on their looks but intellect - aint seen as possessions or like a piece of meat - i feel this is a huge equal right for women - judged on by differnt things which i feel is understated in today's society

Sajjad. Keep it decent. No more references to beating/burning woman will be tolerated!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

what are u on about sajjad? - what is wrong with you

[sajjad]

man, i have the power of knowledge now.. seems like u r still in the pit of darkness..

ur comments make that clear....seems like a witch(woman) has cast a speel on u....come out of it boy before its too late

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

knowledge? what are u on about - am trying to gain more at university - am hoping to learn even more about islam after uni and become more knowledgable about it- am glad if u have knowledge - but plz share it - but dont mask truths - am sure women arent treated like that - have u had a bad experience with a woman in past?

[Officer Barbrady]

:oD :oD WIY I don't think he is serious

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

i hope not marooned - coz words like that were beginning to freak me out\!

[Oxy]

Possibly an apt moment to get back onto the topic?

[Officer Barbrady]

boy the iron hand in the velvet glove :oD :oD

I'm not sure what I think. Probably .. YES!

[Oxy]

...more of an iron 'thappar'

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker women do get equal rights in Islam - ppl take the obvious stance - oh because they ahve to cover up - they arent given equal rights. Well how about looking at it from a different perspective - they aint judged on their looks but intellect - aint seen as possessions or like a piece of meat - i feel this is a huge equal right for women - judged on by differnt things which i feel is understated in today's society

In many aspects in Islam, women don't have equal rights especially when it comes to clothing.

[sajjad]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker knowledge? what are u on about - am trying to gain more at university - am hoping to learn even more about islam after uni and become more knowledgable about it- am glad if u have knowledge - but plz share it - but dont mask truths - am sure women arent treated like that - have u had a bad experience with a woman in past?

the ppl in univ are all liars and infidels. they will guide u astray. u have to learn from the white light i.e. from the truth. dont be lead astray by these infidels. they have to be killed!

[Oxy]

Looks like A.bu H'am.za is posting tonight!

[sajjad]

Originally Posted by oXy bhai Looks like A.bu H'am.za is posting tonight!

who?

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by oXy bhai Looks like A.bu H'am.za is posting tonight!

:oD

[Oxy]

Ab.bu H'am.za...the dude with the ho.ok who calls everything that moves an 'infidel'!

Originally Posted by oXy bhai Looks like A.bu H'am.za is posting tonight!

:oD:oD:oD:oD

[catwoman]

Huh? |-K

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

dude - all im doing is learning about anatomy and physiology etc - so i can help ppl when i qualify - dont tell me it is haram to help ppl.


Mona but what about that point it stems from that point of view?

[sajjad]

learning about anatomy.....the infidels have gotten to u!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker dude - all im doing is learning about anatomy and physiology etc - so i can help ppl when i qualify - dont tell me it is haram to help ppl. Mona but what about that point it stems from that point of view?

Which point of view? |-K

[Officer Barbrady]

:oD :oD

this is one retarded thread

[catwoman]

Originally Posted by Marooned :oD :oD this is one retarded thread

The thread starter is to be blamed! :-p

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

LOL

[Fessal]

Originally Posted by sajjad divorce is the doing of the devil. it shud not happen in society. those who do it, shud be punished. what do u guys think is the punishment for divorce.

True, but if a lady asks dosent live with husband of her own will, with no fault of husband because she wants to marry elsewhere etc. And, if the lady asks husband directly or through family for divorce then husband should give it. The reason being that in Islam no man should tie a woman down in Nikkah forcefully. The man should free the woman.

[sajjad]

that is wrong....women can never leave
she shud stay married or die...kitchen stove is ideal i have obseved from newspaper reports

[Fessal]

Originally Posted by sajjad Women are not capable of making decision as important as marriage and divorce. theyr job is restricted to listening to thiers gaters and husbands and doing what theyr told. its best for them and dont we men know whats best for women. ofcourse we do!

I hope you are joking as woman are just as capable as men. Islam give woman their rights but sadly society dosent always. Fair enougn there are limits because men and women are not the same and physically differents o cant be completley equal.

What i find bemusing is some women asking for equal rights in everything yet if some man does a traditional woman thing they will jump on him and say this is for woman. ALso an example is a woman hitting a man is given less importance and notice if any to say the other way round: i.e man hitting woman.

[catwoman]

The man should free the woman? Is she a bird trapped in a cage?

[sajjad]

Originally Posted by Fessal Originally Posted by sajjad Women are not capable of making decision as important as marriage and divorce. theyr job is restricted to listening to thiers gaters and husbands and doing what theyr told. its best for them and dont we men know whats best for women. ofcourse we do! I hope you are joking as woman are just as capable as men. Islam give woman their rights but sadly society dosent always. Fair enougn there are limits because men and women are not the same and physically differents o cant be completley equal. What i find bemusing is some women asking for equal rights in everything yet if some man does a traditional woman thing they will jump on him and say this is for woman. ALso an example is a woman hitting a man is given less importance and notice if any to say the other way round: i.e man hitting woman.

Yes, women shud not ask for equal rights n be jumping on men for it. although if they jump on my schlong...i will not mind...i can spank her and that is fine. woman spanking man....well only when im in the mood

[Fessal]

LOL. I dont mean free literally but yes free her from the 'burden' of Nikkah so she can marry where she wants again under Islamic law. As you know woman cant marry 2 two people at the same time under Islamic law.

Even men can't just like that although there is a misconception that they can. Men can be married to more than than one woman at a the sam time (i think upto 3 ) BUT not just like that. They can ONLY under ceartain conditions and necessities which they must strictly meet and keep to.They cant have 3 wifes at once just for their own pleasure. Although I wish we could..lol.

[sajjad]

she has to take the BURDEN OF NIKKAH on her shoulders forever. she cannout put it down. unless she dies. then its okay probably.

we can have 4 wives at one time not 3
and if we divroce one we can marry another.....

[Fessal]

You must be joking.
I cant joke like that about women because not only are wifes women so are mothers, daughters and sisters. Women deserve a lot of respect and in some regards more than men. Islam gives woman high status in the sense that 'heavan can be found in a mothers feet'.

[Fessal]

You must be joking.
I cant joke like that about women because not only are wifes women so are mothers, daughters and sisters. Women deserve a lot of respect and in some regards more than men. Islam gives woman high status in the sense that 'Jannat can be found in a person's mothers feet'.

[sajjad]

heaven is under mothers feet..not wives..
wives shud be kept under the control all the time...otherwise discarded!

[catwoman]

Sajjad, I hope you're joking :-^

[sajjad]

this is serious stuff..
very important relationship...why would i joke about it